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Re: unipolar pulse trains
« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2008, 17:51:07 pm »
crap i can't seem to get the same pulse tidal wave form i had yesterday......but besides that i have a problem......ok well first off the diode takes the square waves and half rectifies them I HAVE THAT......so now no pulse is below the zero line........now the bifilar coil is supposed to take that half rectified wave form and on the off pulses make an equal pulse of the same voltage........THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN.....MY BIFILAR COIL ISN'T DOING THIS AT ALL......this is why im not getting a true step charging affect.....i get a load of shit and my water capacitor doesn't fill to its break down levels.......i got two 12 k ohm resistors rated at 30 watt......this is the closest to the 11.6 kiloohm i could get.....so anyone out there with a working bifilar coil??? i have it made correctly so i have no idea wtf is going on....image 4 is what i'm after......

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/bifvsbuk.htm

Well just do exactly what you did before this , just connect it the exact same way it was when you were producing gas.... If it doesnt work that means your components have been damaged and you gotta replace them .

Simple as that .

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Re: unipolar pulse trains
« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2008, 22:17:39 pm »
alright so i still can't get this INDUCTIVE COUPLING.......i have a unipolar pulse train (nothing below the zero volt line)......its stepped up to 40 votls.......but its still in an on off pulse.......i cannot get the inductive coupling....has anyone gotten the inductive coupling......and by inductive coupling i mean the second wave form located here.....the first is the unipolar but the second is the inductive coupling.
(http://www.martin-mandl.com/thesis/thesis-107.gif)

i would love to know who has gotten the bottom wave form using solid state setup.....transformer and the bifilar inductor......not ac current and a bridge rectifier......but pulsed dc going through a diode into a bifilar coil and on hte off pulse creating an equal pulse causing the above second wave form this is important!!!!!

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Re: unipolar pulse trains
« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2008, 01:21:58 am »
You should go ask at other sites , theres not much people here . Maybe someone had the same problem you are having....

look at dogs project section , he had some success with a setup similar to yours , i'm sure there some info you will find useful .

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=66

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Re: unipolar pulse trains
« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2008, 02:11:34 am »
well i knowwhy my capacitor never rises higher than 30 volts becuase my wave form is a 50 percent stepped up unipolar pulse.....the inductor is not creating that second pulse as it is stated to.......so my water capcitor just charges discharges charges discharges.........over and over never reaching 40,000 volt states...hahaha.

here is where my shit just stops.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/yesnoshit.jpg)

once i can get the correct waveform out of this crap im convinced i will have it done....

i will go to an electronics forum.


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Re: unipolar pulse trains
« Reply #20 on: October 31, 2008, 03:08:23 am »
I have done several 100s of these tests, There is no way we can put 40,000 volts across those tubes, maybe if you run 2 wires and plug them to the HV lines out on the street.

The problem is that the more voltage you put into your WFC the more it will conduct.

Now about that paragraph: "voltage is switched off... bla.. bla.. bla....."

This is the description of DC resonance circuit, but It does not really work the way Stan describes.

When the pulse is off, yes the choke's magnetic field collapes, but it is very fast, and when the pulse is turned back on, the energy from the choke is gone.

so you never get the double pulse that Stan Blabs about.

the real DC resonance circuit works like this:
http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/dcreschg.html

there the power supplied to the choke is constant, and the pulses are created by discharging the capacitor that was charged by the choke.

I have tested this with a real cap and it does work.




 

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Re: unipolar pulse trains
« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2008, 04:20:35 am »
Bro , you wont have the answer even when your done , theres like 1000 guys that made the same exact toroid and bifilar and i havent seen any miracles... chill.... there will be bubbles ,  but  immediatly when you succeed , you fall into a dead end again with even more complex things to uncover ......

dont panic , id say too much voltage will always cross over directly if you dont have some advanced setup or coating  ... all capacitors have breakdown levels ....

Get a variable transformer and see what voltage is best suited , make it work with a diode and make sure you are getting that double pulse . Make sure you wound professionally .... If this doesnt work buy some plexiglass and wind some flat bifilars , experiment .

Maybe ease off on the resistance a little .....

 


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Re: unipolar pulse trains
« Reply #22 on: October 31, 2008, 20:19:11 pm »
hmmm well the people over there are trying but can't seem to understand how it would work either.....i think the bifilar coil is what confuses everyone......so it seems the reason we don't get the second pulse to be perfect is do to the reactance of the inductor and the capcitor are not in resonance....i need a good multimeter for capacitance inductance and frequency.....my oscope only goes so far.

taken from: http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_6/2.html

"A condition of resonance will be experienced in a tank circuit (Figure below) when the reactances of the capacitor and inductor are equal to each other. Because inductive reactance increases with increasing frequency and capacitive reactance decreases with increasing frequency, there will only be one frequency where these two reactances will be equal."

"What happens at resonance is quite interesting. With capacitive and inductive reactances equal to each other, the total impedance increases to infinity, meaning that the tank circuit draws no current from the AC power source!"


then they do all the math and it comes out to undefined. DEFINATELY CHEK OUT THAT LINK for a system to be in resonance the capcitor and the inductors

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Re: unipolar pulse trains
« Reply #23 on: October 31, 2008, 21:47:57 pm »
Lol going back to the basics ? So didnt you already sweep frequencies lol ?

Just connect it like it was the first time , sweep with your pwm  or  even better a signal generator . Aim for lower resistance lower step-up higher Q network . And coat your cell if you want resistance ,

I havent ever seen any working example of high volt electrolysis . Most i ever saw was Hdemartin and his production sucked , Dogs came to the same conclusion ,  this guy has alot of electronic experience and the tools to experiment ...

Maybe your winding is not correct , when winding a bifilar its good to have *bifilar double stranded wire* so you are sure you are making a perfect coil.

Its these little details you have to pay attention to , but im sure you will be successful with your Dave Lawtons replication .