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Title: Your Design
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 16, 2008, 20:30:00 pm
Please Post your Design here, Share it with the world.
Title: Re: Your Design
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 18, 2008, 10:20:08 am
My cell is styled after Karebills. It's a six cell. Three 316L tubes each, 1" x 10", 3/4" x 9 1/2", And 1/2" x 12". With a 1mm gap between each of the tubes. The over all size of the cell is 2" x 12" x 16".  It will be supplied water by a live well pump, as suggested.

Spike
Title: Re: Your Design
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 18, 2008, 10:32:26 am
Quote from: Login to see usernames on May 18, 2008, 10:20:08 am
My cell is styled after Karebills. It's a six cell. Three 316L tubes each, 1" x 10", 3/4" x 9 1/2", And 1/2" x 12". With a 1mm gap between each of the tubes. The over all size of the cell is 2" x 12" x 16".  It will be supplied water by a live well pump, as suggested.

Spike

Looking good, Spike!

Br
Steve
Title: Re: Your Design
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 18, 2008, 20:07:20 pm
plate cell that i have been working on,larger negative plates
Title: Re: Your Design
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 19, 2008, 01:13:51 am
h2opower

 ;D It's a deal  ;D

Mine should be working tomorrow, I'll try for tuesday.

Spike
Title: Re: Your Design
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 19, 2008, 01:39:15 am
a small tube cell  not my design borrowed some ideas ,in plain tap water 12 v   4amps about 6 inches long but only 4 inches of surface,125 ml per minute     
Title: Re: Your Design
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 20, 2008, 04:58:10 am
h2opower

Karebill cell video, first run.

Here is your video
http://youtube.com/user/bulldogge1232000

Spike
Title: Re: Your Design
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 23, 2008, 17:11:37 pm
Hello

I have a question how is everybody measuring there devices in relation with the volts and the amps for example input amp and volts, output amps and volts if you have and idea


If you see the measuring of volts OPT A is connected before the FET it give you a reading and OPT B is connected after the FET witch one is correct if you have any idea?
 
Title: Re: Your Design
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 23, 2008, 21:57:30 pm
if i was going to us a PWM to power my fuel cell threw chokes, i would measure the volts and amps before the circuit, not the chokes, then i would measure the amps and volts to and across the cell.
Title: Re: Your Design
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 23, 2008, 23:19:07 pm
I would go like this
Title: Re: Your Design
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 23, 2008, 23:32:43 pm
Pochintwin
I`v just saw your last vid 41 on youtube.
You are putting in    40 volts, 7 amps (280 watts)
you are getting out  38 volts, 19 amps (722 watts)

722/280*100 = 258%
Is that right  ???
Title: Re: Your Design
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 30, 2008, 05:32:35 am
I've been researching and now started to put together my first cell following SM's work.

I would appreciate any comments based on your past experience or mistakes. Thanks!

Here's my Plan View. Working on Elevation View now.

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Title: Re: Your Design
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 30, 2008, 23:54:13 pm
Hello Flaghole;

I'm new to this forum and by no means an expert.

But,  for my first career I was a hydraulic pipe fitter for over 12 years.  In my opinion, the thin walled extruded acrylic tubing is not the way you want to go if you plan on pressurizing the cell. 

Acrylic is already considered a hard plastic, very fragile and loves to crack on you. 

If you must have a crystal clear cell, and want to go with acrylic, then I would recommend that you use CAST acrylic tube with a 1/4" wall thickness.  It's more expensive, but at least it will be able to handle some pressure.

You can also find clear schedule 40 and schedule 80 PVC pipe.  Polycarbonate (Lexan) is also another good alternative, but again it's expensive and difficult to glue.  Weld-On makes great products for gluing all kinds of plastics and plastics to metals.

well thats my two cents,

LapperL
Title: Re: Your Design
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 31, 2008, 00:03:25 am
Flagpole

Your gap is to wide, Unless your cell is going to be 24" tall or more.  Try to get at least .065 wall thickness,  Or .095 if you can. You will get better production.

Spike
Title: Re: Your Design
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 31, 2008, 00:40:30 am
Quote from: Login to see usernames on May 31, 2008, 00:03:25 am
Flagpole

Your gap is to wide, Unless your cell is going to be 24" tall or more.  Try to get at least .065 wall thickness,  Or .095 if you can. You will get better production.

Spike

I got good production at .024", but now I use .065" cuz my tubes are longer.

How's the new 100amp alternator working out for you spike?
Title: Re: Your Design
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 31, 2008, 01:31:57 am
Been working all week, But I'm off for the weekend  ;D

Spike


Title: Re: Your Design
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 31, 2008, 04:56:54 am
Quote from: Login to see usernames on May 31, 2008, 01:31:57 am
Been working all week, But I'm off for the weekend  ;D

Spike




oil companies look out!   ;D
Title: Re: Your Design
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 03, 2008, 04:32:42 am
Thanks lapperl. I agree. So I tightened everything up and going with Sched 40 Clear PVC. It's rated 110 PSI ... more than enough for me.

Spike and CarbedNotch... I appreciate your concern with wall thickness and gap. Do you guys have better luck pushing high amps to generate HHO in your cells?

What I'm attempting is to follow what SM used for his wall thicknesses. I want to get the tubes to "ring" more easily so that's why the thinner material. The gap is what I believe that SM used to help get the + and - into more of a capacitor state useing the natural resistance in the water. I want to see how much charge i can get the tubes to maintain between pulse/partial disharge states so the constant magnitism in the 304L material will continually keep the water polarized. 304 has a little iron in it and is slightly ferromagnetic. I'm planning around a 14" tube length right now and still ironing out the details in the elevation design.

Thanks all for your feedback.

Flag  8)
Title: Re: Your Design
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 23, 2008, 05:11:22 am
Flaghole, the cell your about to build  is pretty close to the one I built
execpt my mesure were slightly higher.

My wall thickness is 1/8 and 36" long  with 8" dia.
Tubes are 1.5" and 1.25" at .064 thickness 27" long.
I used plumber gasket for spacers.

My problem is when connected in // the cell draws around 100 amps no pwm.  straight DC  --  I also get a lot of sluge :(
when connected in series, .8 amp but no production :(

Here is the video of my cell (http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=DJsX4vlzNEg)
Title: Re: Your Design
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 23, 2008, 07:14:43 am
thin wall tubes: they dont stay true and get dents in them easy.
One of my cells has a .035" wall and it took special care when machning and handling.
The output of the cell, in my opinion, is mostly affected by the gap and not the wall thickness ...
Title: Re: Your Design
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 25, 2008, 06:48:58 am
I have 2 small tubes I am expermenting with right now.

One is 7/16" dia x 5-19/32" length x .028 wall.
The other is 5/16" dia x 8-11/16" length x .028 wall.

They both weigh 27.5 grams.

Interestingly, when you hit them like tuning forks, the larger dia. tube is higher pitched.

I am looking at using a vibration analyser to find the critical resonant frequencies of each and shorten the smaller diameter tube to match resonance.

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Title: Re: Your Design
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 25, 2008, 22:47:36 pm
What I did was dia X3.1416 x length of the outer tube
same for the inner tube.

then subtract outer minus  inner and you should know the length to remove.  just remove a slice, because if I am not mistaking, only the full rounded portion will vibrate. not the slotted one.

Title: Re: Your Design
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 26, 2008, 04:22:36 am
Thanks for your input nogarats. What I'm trying to accomplish and experiment with is to get both outer and inner tubes "in tune" with each other. I'm also going for a "loose" fit. The amplitude gain you get at certain harmonic frequencies when looseness is also involved really shakes things to pieces. That's why motor bearings tear up and pumps explode. I noticed that in Stan's designs the base of his outer tubes were held in place by spring steel and inner tubes used base clips and neither were hard fastened. With the magnetism/capacitor state you should keep the H2O polarized and the pulses and vibrations should not only crack H2O but also continuously shake the H & O formations off the tubes and make room for more H & O generation. As you "pull" the magnetized/capacitor states between the tubes using looseness, you will gain stronger vibrations in my opinion. That is what I am attempting and want to test. I'm interested in the piezoelectric effect whereas mechanical/electrical energy interchanges (vibrations), as well as, the polarization and electrolysis splitting the H2O.

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Title: Re: Your Design
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 26, 2008, 06:44:26 am
If you are formulating cells for resonance I would like to recommend not to forget the fibonacci number (Golden measure, golden rule, or whatever you wish to call it). 

1 X 1.618

If the width is 1' then the length is 1.618'  or some derivative of these two.

This number appears in nature and man-made things very often.
Title: Re: Your Design
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 02, 2008, 22:32:02 pm
Quote from: Login to see usernames on June 23, 2008, 05:11:22 am
Flaghole, the cell your about to build  is pretty close to the one I built
execpt my mesure were slightly higher.

My wall thickness is 1/8 and 36" long  with 8" dia.
Tubes are 1.5" and 1.25" at .064 thickness 27" long.
I used plumber gasket for spacers.

My problem is when connected in // the cell draws around 100 amps no pwm.  straight DC  --  I also get a lot of sluge :(
when connected in series, .8 amp but no production :(

100 amp will burn you generator, it is extremely high.

1. Connect in series.
2. Do not use tap water.
3. Use rain or destiled water and little bit KOH (Vinager), that will increase your 0.8 Amp.
4. Try to use PWM, it is going to help you to establish a suitable frequency. Later, probably, won't use KOH.
Title: Re: Your Design
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 29, 2008, 14:08:32 pm
Quote from: Login to see usernames on June 26, 2008, 06:44:26 am
If you are formulating cells for resonance I would like to recommend not to forget the fibonacci number (Golden measure, golden rule, or whatever you wish to call it). 

1 X 1.618

If the width is 1' then the length is 1.618'  or some derivative of these two.

This number appears in nature and man-made things very often.

I was researching fibonacci/resonance/vibration and located this. It's a c/p that I thought some might be interested in reviewing.

Sounds like there is some type of Harmonic ORDER of magic numbers for water fracture to occur. Maybe 620, then 630, finally 600.

Flag  8)

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May 6, 1990
Dr. Andrija Puharich's vibratory method of breakin
Taken from KeelyNet BBS (214) 324-3501 - Sponsored by Vangard Sciences - PO BOX 1031 - Mesquite, TX 75150
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 May 6, 1990

Vibrations that Split Molecules
Produce Energy


Seawater - or even dirty rainwater - could be transmuted into fuel through a new technique serendipitously discovered by a researcher in medical electronics.

Dr. Andrija Puharich has found a way to split water molecules by tuning in on the vibrations of their atoms and breaking the molecules into hydrogen, which could become fuel, and oxygen.

Alternating-current impulses augment naturally occurring vibrations in the H2O molecules. By boosting the vibrations out of control, Puharich makes the molecules fly apart into the component atoms.

He likens the water-splitting effect to the way soldiers marching in step across a bridge risk damaging the structure by making it vibrate at a critical, stress-producing rate.

Electrolysis by simple direct current would create hydrogen and oxygen with a net energy efficiency of only 54 percent, according to Puharich, a Virginia-based inventor. But he says his alternating-current system reaches better than 90 per cent efficiency.

A former physician, Puharich discovered the water-splitting technique a dozen years ago but has only recently presented his findings publicly.

Originally, he was investigating the DISRUPTIVE EFFECT of electrical resonances on blood clots and noticed a peculiar thing: in dilute blood, a SPECIFIC FREQUENCY made bubbles appear in the liquid.

Lab analysis showed that the bubbles were composed of oxygen and hydrogen.

A barrel-shaped cavity contains the water in Puharich's recently refined system. He introduces alternating current at A KEY FREQUENCY of 600 cycles per second.

The cavity resonates with the impulses in somewhat the same way the body of a violin resonates with the sound of one string, ADDING HIGHER AND LOWER HARMONICS TO THE PRINCIPAL TONE.

The additional harmonics, Puharich says, cause the proton in the hydrogen atom TO ROTATE, further forcing the hydrogen to split from the oxygen.

Puharich suggests that the splitting energy could be provided by solar or wind generators. The hydrogen could then be stored and used conveniently in fuel cells or hydrogen-powered cars.

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Vangard notes...

This paper is quite astounding in that it correlates with Keelys' claim that water can be progressively dissociated at 620, 630 and 12,000 cycles per second. These are on the molecular, atomic and etheric levels respectively.

It is interesting that the etheric level of 12,000 / 20 = 600 (Puharich's frequency) found by original experimentation. This 600 cps frequency is therefore a harmonic of the 12,000 cps frequency which Puharich discovered.

Keely also claims that the disruption of water occurs at 42,800 cycles per second.

The direct quote from the book "Keely and His Discoveries" by Bloomfield Moore, published in 1893 ;

"The orders of intensification for accelerating dissociation would not be understood by any explanations that could be made, if unaccompanied by the demonstrations witnessed by the late Professor Leidy, Dr. Brinton, and others.

"When the ether flows from a tube, its negative centre represents molecular sub-division carrying interstitially (or between its molecules) the lowest order of liberated ozone.

"This is the first order of ozone and its wonderfully refreshing and vitalizing to those who breathe it.

"The second order, or atomic separation, releases a much higher grade of ozone; in fact, too pure for inhalation, is the one that has been (though attended withe much danger to the operator) utilized by Keely in his carbon register to produce the circuit of high vibration that breaks up the molecular magnetism which is recognized as cohesion.

"The acceleration of these orders is governed by the introductory impulse on a certain combination of vibratory chords, arranged for this purpose in the instrument, with which Keely dissociates the elements of water, and which he calls a Liberator.

"In molecular dissociation one fork of 620 is used, setting the chords on the first octave.

"In atomic separation two forks, one of 620 and one of 630 per second; setting the chords on the second octave.

"In the etheric three forks; one of 620, one of 630, and one of 12,000, setting the chords on the third octave.

As a matter of further clarification, Keely states that you cannot DIRECTLY dissociate a single level of aggregation due to the shell structure of matter.

In other words, if you wish to dissociate the Atomic level, you must first dissociate the molecular to be able to get to the atomic. That follows also if you wish to dissociate the etheric, you must disrupt the molecular AND the atomic, THEN the etheric.

Keely refers to this technique as progressive dissociation.

In 1988, we had Andrija Puharich in Dallas for about 4 days as a joint speaker for Vangard Sciences and MUFON Metroplex. We spent many hours with Andrija and discussed a wide variety of subjects.

At that time, I asked him about this experiment and he said the original research was done in the late 50's, early 60's by him in a dual attempt. One was to selectively remove gases from the blood and the other to dissolve clots.

Andrija had not heard of Keely or his work with dissociation or disruption of matter with acoustic frequencies. He was quite interested that the work had been done almost 100 years ago and wanted to know more about Keely.

Dr. Puharich has dropped out of sight over the last few years, so we have lost contact with him. He was at that time (1988) very concerned about the ecology and was working on some type of retreat for future hard times.

They were re-building an old hydro-electric power system fed by a small lake on the land they had in Virginia. Puharich at that time was living on land donated by R. J. Reynolds.

We heard recently that Reynolds was attempting to get the land back. Since we have not seen or heard from Andrija in about 2 years, we don't know what is going on with him.

We hope this information is of use in your researches.

As with all Vangard information and KeelyNet text files, you are free to reproduce or distribute as you wish.

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Title: Re: Your Design
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 09, 2009, 01:43:14 am
Hey! here my desing im working on. With around 2 teaspoon of baking soda im getting around 14 amp at 12V with two of those device in serie. Planinng to get up to 6 if thing goes well  :D. It produce a very good amount of HH but not sure how much... maybe 1L/min (for 2 units). Hope u like. If some of u are interested i can take some pictures of it. Oh i forget to say that it separate the hydrogen from the oxygen   ::) ... in the pictures all the plates to the right are connected togetter and same for those on left
Title: Re: Your Design
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 09, 2009, 02:42:46 am
Fred,
I bet your cell doesn't produce any scum.  What are you using as the fabric?
Title: Re: Your Design
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 09, 2009, 04:54:22 am
Fred4321

If you're going to use an additive, Use lye or koh.
Baking soda forms a corrosive gas,
That mixes with the hydroxy.
And eats up your valve, intake, heads, ect   :P

Spike
Title: Re: Your Design
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 09, 2009, 13:33:27 pm
Quote from: Login to see usernames on January 09, 2009, 01:43:14 am
Hey! here my desing im working on. With around 2 teaspoon of baking soda im getting around 14 amp at 12V with two of those device in serie. Planinng to get up to 6 if thing goes well  :D. It produce a very good amount of HH but not sure how much... maybe 1L/min (for 2 units). Hope u like. If some of u are interested i can take some pictures of it. Oh i forget to say that it separate the hydrogen from the oxygen   ::) ... in the pictures all the plates to the right are connected togetter and same for those on left

Hi fred,

Again, welcome to the ionizationx forum!

About your design, we have not many tests here with seperation of H and O, so we are very interested in your results.
So, yes, please, put some pictures of your project on here!
If you need any help, please ask.
I have made a project place for you where you can put all your stuff.
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/board,160.0.html

br
Steve
Title: Re: Your Design
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 10, 2009, 04:56:06 am
fast reply  :D.
To  Johnbostick: Right!  the water just become a little orange cause of the baking soda. I used a piece of silk but some other fabric with very small hole are also good just for having a good current that goes to one side to the other and for stopping the hydrogen or the oxygen going to the other side.
To Spike: Thanks for the advice but are u sure koh is better in the electrolysis process, I mean in the air  :P
To Stevie1001: Thanks ill take a look and put some pictures soon

sorry for my english hope u can all understand what im saying lol  :D

Fred