### Author Topic: How the VIC Works - IMPORTANT!  (Read 41172 times)

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##### Re: How the VIC Works - Induced DC Current Voltage
« Reply #40 on: March 05, 2015, 19:52:04 pm »
The electric field inside  hollow conductor is always zero unless there is another conductor inside with a charge.

Yes i'm referring to the one plate sphere capacitor because is a geometry of easy calculation.

The rest you need to find how to answer to yourself otherwise i will be of no help just telling it... the electric field is the derivative of the potential...

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« Reply #41 on: March 06, 2015, 05:01:03 am »
The gated pulse is NOT just to build a charge on the WFC.  It starts by building a charge on the coils!

The primary frequency pulse builds charges on all the coils, starting with the primary, but doesn't release it until the gate off pulse.  When released by the gate off pulse, it is released by thousands, even hundreds of thousands of induced volts, both on primary and secondary when the core's field collapses.

The high resistance/impedance in the secondary circuit prevents the charge from leaving the secondary coil until the off gate pulse.  Once the gate pulse is off, the secondary will generate a voltage large enough to push the current to the WFC.  How much of a charge that is is determined by the length of the gate on pulse.  The longer the on pulse, the higher the charge.  But it will not discharge until the gate off pulse.   The amount of voltage could literally be hundreds of thousands of volts coming out of the coil!  A lot of it dissipates on hitting the resistance of the WFC, but a high peak to peak voltage wave will still show up on it.

The gate pulse frequency needs to be very low, possibly from 1 to 25 Hz for example, but have a high duty cycle, like 80% to 90%.
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##### Re: How the VIC Works - Induced DC Current Voltage
« Reply #42 on: March 06, 2015, 10:25:40 am »
I would not say i'm sure but it seems to me the primary is the only place where this can be happening probably because of the parallel diode... since if you apply a freuquency higher than the LR frequency of the primary the primary current is not allowed to come back to zero until you gate it.

i think this should not be the case... without high voltage going to the cell all the time how would molecules get charged in a single bang?

I have the impression that the idea is to set up high electric fields and than bring to zero... in a frequency high enough for water to retain a charge when the water than reach high voltage the gate acts to allow the electric field to go to zero...

so during pulse train the water charges during gate it discharges... during this discharge the atoms combine in different configuration exiting as gas having neutral charge...

If you look at stan waveforms it looks just like that...

Notice however that each pulse also goes from zero to peak to zero...

the frequency doubling thing also occurs during pulse off meaning during pulse off a positive pulse is sent to discharge the cell... so the gate is the same..

i'm looking at it as a single wire TL

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« Reply #43 on: March 07, 2015, 17:59:15 pm »
My working VIC seems to support this coil charging method.  While not getting gas yet, I am getting high voltage peaks on the secondary coils which are way higher than they would be with the coil ratio against the primary.  At resonance I appear to be getting peaks in the thousands of volts across the coils which are causing my oscilloscope to reset in protection mode.

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##### Re: How the VIC Works - Induced DC Current Voltage
« Reply #44 on: March 07, 2015, 20:39:59 pm »
I'm more in favor of the fact that meyer used ionized water and I have a theory that supports it, there are 2 newly formed capacitors: think of a parallel plate capacitor and now you put an opposite charged capacitor between while increasing the capacitors' energy from a free source, this way you can send free energy back to the coils then discharge all capacitors so this effect can take place again, the only downside is that according to research it takes minutes to store the energy in the new capacitors. When I say free I mean from the environment..

If I'm right the surface of the electrode is all that matters.
http://i.imgur.com/ELJgeC5.png

Maybe something like this?

http://i.imgur.com/WJyQbRW.png

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##### Re: How the VIC Works - Induced DC Current Voltage
« Reply #45 on: March 08, 2015, 16:29:09 pm »
I guess that is the idea.. water has a high dielectric value and that means that its a good solvent but as in your picture shows the double layer formed reduces a lot the electric field... its called a shielding effect... the water has the ability to conduct an electric field higher than vacuum meaning that the voltage drop on water should be lower than in the vacuum case... that means the infinite ground should be farther away from source test charge. this is where the zero goes...

If the water gap is high enough you can apply electric fields on both sides while the middle receives no electric field at all,,,

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##### Re: How the VIC Works - Induced DC Current Voltage
« Reply #46 on: March 08, 2015, 19:50:00 pm »
Water being polar can absorb radiant energy to increase the capacitor gap increasing voltage which in theory if is large enough you can use to increase the voltage really high , it would explain why conditioning the tubes gets you better results except the larger surface area which would also increase current. The electrolyte solution is the ground in this case. Pure water is the dielectric , the electrodes are Metal+ | negative ions and positive ions| Metal- . This double layer effect happens with all electrolysis cells but water and other solvents can rearrange themselves given the circumstances and the electrode surface you can try nafion or to condition your tubes you can try for yourself get a camera with zoom and a container with a window  put dye in ionized water and measure the formed gap. I haven't tested it yet.
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##### Re: How the VIC Works - Induced DC Current Voltage
« Reply #47 on: March 08, 2015, 22:34:29 pm »
I see it like this...

Meyer would not put evidence on the easiest way to get a cell working so he show an asymmetric device which carry its own required logic to be operated...

I think the amp inhibiting coil is a coil used to close the circuit and secure the potentials are sent to the water not lost thru the secondary... if system is open the open lead of the transformer will get all the high voltage while the connected lead very small...

Balance is the way.... if not balanced the amp restriction cannot happen completely.... which happens only when high voltage or correct coefficient of voltage is present.. voltage is according to meyer being applied 90" ahead of current...  this lag comes mainly from the chokes and amp restriction ckt

The resonant charging chokes seems to be keeping the charge on the water during the reversing (here it frequency doubles for real).. The higher is the charge in water the higher is the collapsing voltage...

regarding conditioning i believe is not the case you just need plain clean polished stainless steel lowest area as possible
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