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Title: VIC Working!
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 15, 2019, 08:56:30 am
Here I will Upload a Video of the Vic in action. Here you will see voltage rising above the supply voltage and you will see that current flow is restricted. You will see a Voltage Intensifier Circuit Working.

You will have every Detail on how this was done.
It should Be Understood, This is My First working Successful Model, with a great Deal of Flaws.

Please do not bash me, Please Understand This Circuit Works and has many faults. Please Understand The Voltage Across the Cell is Higher than the Input Voltage and the Voltage was Intensified at a Promising Point. Please Understand My Primary Coil is only Pulsed with 12 volts and Not 24 as stans was, Any My output voltage of my secondary is only capable of 140 volts.

Please Understand this is the first working model I have, and That I will put much more effort into making better setups for higher voltages. If you understand all this, Feel free to work with me and feel free to join in and share your success, Feel free to Beat my Voltage across the cell! This shall be easy for you to do now that you will gain a better understanding of how i Done this.

Look forward to new videos every week or so, and look forward for higher voltages. Also, I challenge everyone to upload their video here if you think you can beat my voltage potential across the cell using 12 volts.
Title: Re: VIC Working!
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 15, 2019, 09:07:25 am
Looking forward to the video. And of course we know that we dont live in a perfect laboratorium world...
I am curious about your vid, Brian.


 :)
Title: Re: VIC Working!
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 15, 2019, 09:53:33 am
It's time for bed, and my phone is on 1 percent so I cant make a video at this moment. But amp flow is restricted and voltage is above the source voltage x 2. My secondary is to week but I have proved this device to work just as stan did. I will post all that I have, and share all that I have so you guys can make it better and sharpen all the edges. I know with this information you guys can firgure it all out rather quickly!
Title: Re: VIC Working!
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 15, 2019, 18:28:04 pm
:)
Title: Re: VIC Working!
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 15, 2019, 20:50:13 pm
This morning it was over 20 volts after everything cooled off. and it does continue to run because the tubes become charged just as stan said. And I mean, the sucker really does continue to run for quite sometime! Not bubbles this time, but a real stream of realy hho.
Title: Re: VIC Working!
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 15, 2019, 21:30:35 pm
please share.
Title: Re: VIC Working!
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 16, 2019, 00:58:23 am
Nice to see there is some people working at the bench. No matter how much people are achieving, but the fact that people are trying.
Every time we try there is a chance to learn and understand something new.
There is no reason to bash anyone for that.
Better to have something done than just talk theories and don't test it.
Great work Hydrocars.
Cheers.
Title: Re: VIC Working!
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 16, 2019, 07:24:08 am
@Hydrocars:
That's pretty good, Brian, considering you're not chopping the down side of your sine wave.  That is to say, you're not commutating the SCR.  The voltage from a choke is related to how quickly the field collapses.  Is your cell staying cool? 
Title: Re: VIC Working!
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 16, 2019, 13:08:36 pm
please share.

Any idea on how much power you pulled from the battery during that test?

Title: Re: VIC Working!
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 17, 2019, 00:52:19 am
I am Focusing on the cell not the amp draw from the battery. To get the Voltage across the cell which was almost 2 times higher than 12 volts, The primary coil doesn't contain enough loops, So I knew not to worry to much about the amp draw. I think it was 1.5 to 2 amps.

I have Constructed a New Vic, and It failed Miserably! I have to admit, I got lucky with my First Transformer. It is now Busted, I was trying to rewire the Primary and I noticed it was cracked so Its now a Paper Weight. I Currently Have another Transformer Core I am looking to Rewire sometimes This week. If I can get 20 volts across this cell Surely I can get more.

I have also noticed the following. Stan Drawed a Filement across the Choke, I used a Led light. I am not getting enough (Double Voltage) across the choke to really light the led the way it should be lighting. Also, I have noticed that the Second Choke when Tampering with it, The Led across Choke 1 will brightly light. I Assume this is the Tuning Zone that has to be tapped into so the led will remain lite continuously. Also, The Capacitor is more than 5 times greater than a shunt diode. Shunt Diodes are now considered Garbage in my book, and I think the Shunt Diode not only Prevented me from discovering this new knowledge But I think it has Lead all of you in the wrong direction. I wouldn't use anything smaller than a 5mf cap.

Also, Different chokes cause different resonate frequencies. I say this because a fat chokes will cause a Noticiable sound that is slow, and a smaller Choke will cause a much more faster. It can go in the double digit hertz sound all the way to Radio Frequecy sounds just by changing Only the choke.

Also, I think it is possible stan later replaced the lower choke with a Triac or SCR, Not sure at this time. Altering the Loop in this Part of that system causes a Spike in the first choke causing the Filement or light to emit.

Maybe someone will fall in by my side and troubleshoot the areas I am now going over at this time. I think I got lucky with that Transformer, I have yet to make one to even touch that one.. Let me see what this new transformer has to offer that I am Constructing.
Title: Re: VIC Working!
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 17, 2019, 01:19:07 am
Check this out, Stans VIC was  IRON CORE, Look at the Size of those chokes.

Is this not proof enough stans VIC was a Iron core step Up? I just noticed this. And also, I noticed he used a 30N Transistor.
Title: Re: VIC Working!
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 17, 2019, 03:36:04 am
Nice... you should get your self a wattmeter to plug it.. you can get on eBay very cheap maybe 20$

if you are spending more than 2 watts per each amp flowing across the cell you are bellow faraday...

i think you could try to measure how many gas per minute you generated..??



Title: Re: VIC Working!
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 17, 2019, 22:43:26 pm
Nice... you should get your self a wattmeter to plug it.. you can get on eBay very cheap maybe 20$

if you are spending more than 2 watts per each amp flowing across the cell you are bellow faraday...

i think you could try to measure how many gas per minute you generated..??

Sebosfato there is no document that states with REAL NUMBERS that Meyer did over Faraday efficiency.
What we see on the International Independent Test Evaluation Report is a comparison of the amps on Faraday electrolysis vs amps on Electrical Polarization Process.
Every one that does some calculation can see it's way below Faraday.

Variable Flat-Plate:
48.7K cc/hr =811,67 cc /min.
80V @ 4Amp. = 320W
2.54MMW

Rotary Pulse-Voltage-Frequency (Alternator):
1 Liter cavity @ 1 ATM = 1000 cc (OK, since cavity is not in vacuum)
1 Liter cavity @ 7 PSI per minute = 7000 cc (WRONG!!) here is the point:
each 7 PSI pressure is about 476 cc - You can confirm by yourself or calculate based on the Boyle's law.
12,5V @ 40 AMPS = 500W
0,95MMW

TO PRODUCE 7LPM (7000CC) THE PRESSURE NEEDS TO INCREASE 103PSI EACH MINUTE.

I hope it opens some minds / eyes.
All data came form International Independent Test-Evaluation Report

Meyer was an artist to fool some people...
Title: Re: VIC Working!
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 17, 2019, 22:59:39 pm
u are correct, he never put any real numbers out... but at the techbrief he says the buggy runs on 40watts basically...

 i don't believe it...

what i believe is that is possible to make the gas by forcing amps/cm2 of electrode but it generates lots of heat or is possible to make it at low voltage ... if this heat could be recycled with the epg than it would lower the power consumption by generating power to feedback

if its generated in low voltage i believe there is still how to excite the gas


my point is we need to compare with something... i have everyday less time to loose and so this is the route im taking.. and im not even talking about only liter per minute or watts but real burning power...

if we cannot do  this we are kind of wasting the chance to get it right

i think arduinos with temperature meters, amps and voltmeter, perhaps also pressure  and able print data is the way to go.. and is how im going for it...

my idea is that running the generator is a good start but other setups could be developed to get the technology real tested..

for example how would it work in space vacuum ?

how the flame would burn on vacuum ?

those are questions im going to ask for us hopefully soon
Title: Re: VIC Working!
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 17, 2019, 23:15:32 pm
The buggy "supposedly" ran on 40W per VIC (water fuel injector).
Stan's brother said on the blogtalkradio interviews,if I understood correctly,  that we are able to convert mass into energy and energy into mass.
My opinion is that it does not produce the H2 but some kind of monoatomic or something with high energy. (read about hydrogen fracturing process).
Title: Re: VIC Working!
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 18, 2019, 00:06:58 am
Nice... you should get your self a wattmeter to plug it.. you can get on eBay very cheap maybe 20$

if you are spending more than 2 watts per each amp flowing across the cell you are bellow faraday...

i think you could try to measure how many gas per minute you generated..??
right now my only concern is voltage across the cell. I've not seen anything like this ever.
Title: Re: VIC Working!
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 18, 2019, 00:13:05 am
Nice... you should get your self a wattmeter to plug it.. you can get on eBay very cheap maybe 20$

if you are spending more than 2 watts per each amp flowing across the cell you are bellow faraday...

i think you could try to measure how many gas per minute you generated..??
right now my only concern is voltage across the cell. I've not seen anything like this ever.
I read where he was mixing a magnetic material in and also generating electricity.
Title: Re: VIC Working!
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 18, 2019, 02:53:40 am
Nice... you should get your self a wattmeter to plug it.. you can get on eBay very cheap maybe 20$

if you are spending more than 2 watts per each amp flowing across the cell you are bellow faraday...

i think you could try to measure how many gas per minute you generated..??

It doesn't matter if this is below Faraday or not.  Once the water can be split with pulses of potential, an understanding of the circuit elements allows us to move on to the Gas Processor, with higher voltage, to replicate Stan's Cold Fusion effect.  That's what will lead to energy independence.  And that's something which can't be done with Faraday type electrolysis, no matter how efficient it is or isn't.
Title: Re: VIC Working!
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 18, 2019, 05:40:51 am
I am getting better results without ferrite, and I seen photos of stans VIC, the step up transformer was NOT ferrite! It was Iron!
Title: Re: VIC Working!
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 18, 2019, 16:32:45 pm
Nice... you should get your self a wattmeter to plug it.. you can get on eBay very cheap maybe 20$

if you are spending more than 2 watts per each amp flowing across the cell you are bellow faraday...

i think you could try to measure how many gas per minute you generated..??

It doesn't matter if this is below Faraday or not.  Once the water can be split with pulses of potential, an understanding of the circuit elements allows us to move on to the Gas Processor, with higher voltage, to replicate Stan's Cold Fusion effect.  That's what will lead to energy independence.  And that's something which can't be done with Faraday type electrolysis, no matter how efficient it is or isn't.

Back in those days, a VW engine had 65 HP.  With 746 W/HP, Stan's dune buggy was producing 48,490 Watts.  If each cylinder was powered by a 40W VIC, then there was a gain of over 300 times, output over input.

I think his Cold Fusion claims need to be investigated, whether it was Carbon/Oxygen Fusion or Oxygen/Fluorine LENR, as he describes.
Title: Re: VIC Working!
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 21, 2019, 01:58:06 am
Funny! Ah ha ha ah ha! Apparently there's 4 ways to wire a choke! ( Biffiar that is). And also,,, did you know you looked close enough you'd know Stan coated theourrtter side of the outer tube and the inner part of the inner one. Talk about being stingy with current flow ehh, if he was like that with his money then he musta been rich! I like this man's way of thinking! I love the way he even went to the extra mile to thin out the hho mix with other none combustible gas too! The injectors even assured everything was metered in such a way nothing was emmiyed into the cylinder other than just the calculated amount that was needed with that amazing Lazer distributor!
Title: Re: VIC Working!
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 21, 2019, 14:48:06 pm
Stanley Meyer believed that one gallon of water contains as much energy as many thousands of barrels of oil.  This was based on the fact that a nuclear reaction releases far more energy than can be produced by a chemical reaction involving a similar amount of mass.  In his Cold Fusion patent (#4,826,581), he specifies that completely ionized Oxygen which is subjected to additional HV pulses from a VIC will release an electron from the nucleus, accompanied by a considerable amount of explosive thermal energy.  But the only way a nucleus can release an electron is through neutron decay, in which an electron and an anti-neutrino are emitted as the neutron reverts to a proton.  As a result, the Oxygen atom transforms into the next higher element, with one additional proton, and the Oxygen atom itself dissapears.  In nuclear physics, this is refered to as a Weak Force interaction (Low Energy Nuclear Reaction, or LENR), and isn't actually fusion.  It's just stimulated neutron decay, which is still manytimes more energetic that burning hho.

The patent also specifies that heat from burning a fuel gas is part of the energy needed to produce the nuclear reaction, and that the 'atomic' energy adds to that of the combustion, resulting in Thermally explosive energy which is greater than the heat of combustion from the fuel.  Since the dune buggy required such a small amount of input energy, together with a rather minute amount of hho, it's likely that some kind of Cold Fusion was involved in the operation.  However, I can do this without fuel gas - just atmospheric gasses - using the HOT side of gotoluc's Open Source water sparkplug circuit, so Stan's Oxygen theory may not be accurate.  He may have been producing some other nuclear reaction without understanding what was involved.
Title: Re: VIC Working!
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 21, 2019, 15:07:32 pm
My two cents on it is that he is geting that neutron to decay from oxygen isotopes... there are oxygen atoms that are not so stable, having one or more neutrons so it has a 17 or 18 mass

there are other isotopes also present.. for example the electrolyte can liberate neutrons too... the time is very slow but i guess from some dozen patents i read that high electric fields stimulate them  to decay


when this neutron is released (under normal situation) it will decay into a hydrogen atom after 11minutes... but if is in the midle of a high voltage combustion well i guess it will indeed explode decaying

i hard to tell...

would you like to explain little more about this gotoluc cold fusion?

Title: Re: VIC Working!
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 21, 2019, 17:09:24 pm
math problem

1 Stan says that 18 microliters of water is needed per "injection cycle" so it you have a four cyclinder VW running at 3000 rpm
how much water is needed per minute

2 what is the volume at STP of gas formed per minute by the calculated amount of water

3 how much gas is produced per minute in your cell

4 how much energy need to run the vic / minute
Title: Re: VIC Working!
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 21, 2019, 21:48:52 pm
Who saw anytime the dune buggy running on the water fuel cell injectors or the resonant cavities?
There is no evidence on video or pictures that his devices really worked as he stated.

There is a picture of Stan near to the Spherical resonant cavity and the controller but it does not proove that it worked...

The electrical polarization process was nothing but plain electrolysis
Title: Re: VIC Working!
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 21, 2019, 22:29:32 pm
Who saw anytime the dune buggy running on the water fuel cell injectors or the resonant cavities?
There is no evidence on video or pictures that his devices really worked as he stated.

There is a picture of Stan near to the Spherical resonant cavity and the controller but it does not proove that it worked...

The electrical polarization process was nothing but plain electrolysis

Have you read my comments on the spark cell?
Btw....ill guess Stan made deuterium...
Title: Re: VIC Working!
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 21, 2019, 23:58:14 pm
Well, one can't rule out a LENR or a Mizuno process taking place.  The presence of calcium and other larger atomic weight atoms  have been reported in Cold fusion cells\
.
There have also been reports of copper showing up the the Italian E-Cat systems  that used  powder nickel. 

i don't recall seeing analysis of water from the  hho cells checking for radioactivity or change in soluble metals.  I always wondered if the reddish coloration
of the water in the vertical cluster array tube sets was due to corrosion of  rusted bolts or release of iron from austinic iron crystals from the stainless steel tubes
being used
 I guess a water test or the used of a surplus guiger counter might provide insight.   
Title: Re: VIC Working!
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 22, 2019, 05:30:35 am
My two cents on it is that he is geting that neutron to decay from oxygen isotopes... there are oxygen atoms that are not so stable, having one or more neutrons so it has a 17 or 18 mass

there are other isotopes also present.. for example the electrolyte can liberate neutrons too... the time is very slow but i guess from some dozen patents i read that high electric fields stimulate them  to decay


when this neutron is released (under normal situation) it will decay into a hydrogen atom after 11minutes... but if is in the midle of a high voltage combustion well i guess it will indeed explode decaying

i hard to tell...

would you like to explain little more about this gotoluc cold fusion?


The Water Sparkplug circuit (WSP) is something I ran across around ten years ago, back at the Energetic Forum.  It's basically a capacitor powered ignition coil wired up so that the cap fires the coil, then dumps the rest of its charge through the ignition coil's spark, producing a plasma.  The leader of the forum was fixated with the plasma, because it was cold, and led the other researchers at the forum to try (and try) to get this cold plasma effect to ignite some water vapor inside an internal combustion engine.  I was excited about it because there were two parts to the circuit.  The capacitor has a blocking diode which connects it to the spark gap once the coil's output reverse biases the diode into conduction.  But the ignition coil circuit has enough potential that it will also work when the blocking diode is replaced with a spark gap.  The big difference is that the 'plasmoid' in this gap is HOT.  It's a really simple Plasma Power Supply circuit, similar to what I like to use, since the capacitor is charged with Low Voltage, while the coil produces a High Voltage plasmoid.  Members at the EF only used the ignition coil's plasma spark, while I only use the side with the capacitor's spark gap.  They're not the same thing.  (See the first attachment).  When I wire this up with a MOT powered cap driving a second MOT, I get a pinkish colored spark.  The small amount of red in the spark likely comes from Hydrogen being electrolyzed from atmospheric humidity.  However, when I fired my 7.5 kV Injector with a little bit of water in it, and a Magnetron ring magnet on top, it produced a soft ball sized deep red fire ball.

I also did another independent experiment, with my HV plasmoid circuit, rather than the WSP.  Using my gradient plate mini particle accelerator, with a concave reflector in front of it, the plasmoid beam was reflected back into itself, producing what I believe was a fusion reaction.  I later recognized the similarity of my reflector to Stan's Heat Deflector Shield, shown in Fig. 4 of his patent.  (See the second attachment).  However, his reflection illustration is erroneous (perhaps on purpose?).  The ions travel straight out, then reflect inwards, in a cone shape, rather than outwards as he shows.  That's why I call my system a Reflex Beam Fusion spark.  The point of this cone, overlapping the oncoming beam it penetrates, is where the fusion occurs.  THEN the ions move outwards.  Stan also left out two very important connections in his drawing, based on my own experiment.  And I can see a simple addition - which he shows somewhere else - to the injector of Fig. 3 which could cause the output beam to focus into a cone, like an electrostatic Z-pinch, without reflection.  With Oxygen LENR, the mean free path at the point of the cone could be small enough to allow energetic collisions with enough force to cause neutron decay.  THIS is probably what he was doing with the dune buggy.  As a result of the Cold Fusion or, in the alternative, LENR reactions, he was getting far more energy in the combustion cylinders than was required to be put in.  And I think I've figured out a solution to his issue of the reflector/heat deflector melting, no matter what substance he tried using. 

In the LENR reaction he describes in the patent (calling it "Cold Fusion"), an excited Oxygen atom undergoes stimulated neutron decay, converting the Oxygen into a Fluorine atom, accompanied by the release of Thermal energy.  However, with my experiment, the output from the Injector was yellow, and the point of the reflection cone was an extremely bright, pure white color, no green from Oxygen.  And, at that potential, no red from humidity based Hydrogen.  I didn't have any electrolysis at this point, just normal air.  My yellow plasmoid is based on ionized Carbon Dioxide, at normal atmospheric pressure.  And, as it turns out, there is a FUSION reaction which involves Carbon joining with Oxygen to produce Iron, which I think is what mine was doing.  See the third attachment, found at this url:

rexresearch.com/ohsawa/ohsawa.htm (http://rexresearch.com/ohsawa/ohsawa.htm)

In his patent, Stan indicates that heat from combustion is an element in the 'Fusion' excitation process.  I produced this heat through a brute force electrical discharge (500 Joules), but, based on Stan's track record, it's likely that far less electrical energy, in the form of EMF plus CEMF, would be needed if heat from hho were incorporated into the system.  So I think that's what he was doing.

Now that the VIC has been shown to split water, the same circuit, at a somewhat higher potential, can quite possibly be used to convert a normal Injector into a Fusion Torch.  With very little energy input.