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unipolar pulse trains
« on: October 28, 2008, 07:00:33 am »
arghhh getting frustrated......ok so i have a flyback transformer rigged as my vic transformer........my input is 12vdc 50 percent duty cycle sqaure waves my amp consumption is .84 which equals 10.08 watts.......my meter reads 4.2 kilovolts coming off the flyback......this means my amps have become 0.0024 inside the conversion of the flyback meaning my resistance in the flyback is 5000 ohms or 5 kiloohms now as i understand i would need atleast 47.6 kilo ohms to achieve the 40 kilo volt range........now this 4.2 kilo volts i have runs directly into my bifilar 3.3millihenry inductor after the diode....it comes out the same. everything is still exactly the same........so i tried another bifilar coil......pumped up to 5 kilvolts but then something happened.....the enamel surrounding the wires gave way and the spark jumped from wire to wire short circuiting it......now i have one huge ass bifilar left and it's of the same wire.........i attached it for a brief period just to check it out and then unattached it touched the terminal ends and damn i got shocked......touched it again.....shocked again......i did this about 5 times constantly still getting shocked.....i didn't get a chance to see how much teh voltage grew in capcitance.......so my point here is that the more windings and the larger the core it acts as a better capacitor and can literally store the electricity for long periods of time.......now i have NOT hooked up the oscope to check for the UNIPOLAR PULSE TRAIN WHICH IS WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT......but i do notice in the schematics that he has unipolar before the bifilar leading me to believe he has some form of pulse transformer...i am going to just bridge recitify it i think that should work..........OH PLUS I TRIED EXACTLY WHAT KEVIN WEST WAS USING  4 MICROWAVE CAPCITORS TO ACT AS RESISTANCE but they completely destroy the wave form by making it almost nothing, but i think this is becuase i am not using a unipolar pulse train....i know he uses pulses of hertz so this is why it works for him......i think it's becuase i am using Khz wave spectrum while these are rated for the 50-60Hz range.....


SO attention to detail....YOU MUST HAVE A UNIPOLAR WAVEFORM GOING INTO THE BIFILAR COIL IN ORDER FOR THIS TO WORK CORRECTLY.....THE TRANSFORMER IS WHAT IS DUMPING HTE UNIPOLAR PULSE INTO THE INDUCTORS THE INDUCTORS STORE IT LIEK A CAPACITOR......VERY FEW SCHEMATICS SHOW THIS DETAIL....HE USUALLY JUST WRITES IT......SO SINCE I CAN'T GET MY HANDS ON A CHEAP PULSE TRANSFORMER RIGHT NOW AND AM STUCK WITH MY AUDIO TRANSFORMER AND MY FLYBACK I WILL TRY TO GHETTO RIG THIS.



REMEMBER UNIPOLAR SHOULD BE COMING OUT OF THE TRANSFORMER OR THE ALTERNATOR WHATEVER METHOD YOUR DOING......PULSE TRANSFORMER FOR US SOLID STATE GUYS or maybe audio transformer with diode bridge or even flyback with diode bridge!!!!!!

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Re: unipolar pulse trains
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2008, 13:23:55 pm »
Yeah well i'm not surprised those big capacitors screw up your waveform  in khz range , extra capacitores were never recommended or mentionned in the meyers papers , i would try to stay as close as possible to the papers and never deviate .

What was the rating of your bifilar coils coating , what was the build normal or heavy ? or maybe extra heavy ?  Good coating is important , eclipsed also had his precious coil burn up on him after he spent the whole day winding it.

3kv per mi ( 1/1000th of an inch ) is what most coatings are rated for. Of course , if your hookup is like crux neogen or kevin west the voltage difference is increased dramatically , thats why Kevin west has his coils in sectionnal spools , otherwise his coils could spark . The voltage is so high that it would be over the breakdown of the same positive coil wire , but the resistance of the coating is about a billion times that  of going that extra 3 inches to get to that spot thought the wire so it dooesnt really count as a spark . But if you got that negative choke 62 wound bifilar right next to your positive choke its a different story...

So what do you mean by unipolar pulse transformer  ? your transfo sends impulses to the negative and positive rail and *dumps it into both inductors* ?

I was actually gonna try to do this on purpose , and equally split the voltage with the secondary , but i will try both .

So how did the high voltage translate into gas production ? did you get nice production ?




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Re: unipolar pulse trains
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2008, 16:29:42 pm »
figure 7-8 vic matrix circuit is THE BEST VIC CIRCUIT SCHEMATIC for replicating......this literally breaks it down into its components.....meyers stopped showing the step by step process of what goes on through the vic and started talking about what the vic does as a whole in his later writings.....most likely since he compressed it into a single core......he is not being sneaky or hiding the truth as the tiny few still believe.

and dankie as for production.....the water capacitor was not fully "air tight" it leaked electricity due to the non unipolar pulses, no true step charging occurs......a horrible amount of bubbles......but i am getting a bridge rectifier and this will most likely create what i'm looking for....remember there are so many different ways to do this,

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Re: unipolar pulse trains
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2008, 17:12:33 pm »
figure 7-8 vic matrix circuit is THE BEST VIC CIRCUIT SCHEMATIC for replicating......this literally breaks it down into its components.....meyers stopped showing the step by step process of what goes on through the vic and started talking about what the vic does as a whole in his later writings.....most likely since he compressed it into a single core......he is not being sneaky or hiding the truth as the tiny few still believe.

and dankie as for production.....the water capacitor was not fully "air tight" it leaked electricity due to the non unipolar pulses, no true step charging occurs......a horrible amount of bubbles......but i am getting a bridge rectifier and this will most likely create what i'm looking for....remember there are so many different ways to do this,

even when you get it unipolar know that everybody had the same problem you will have... arcing in the water cap(amp flow).

So you are having some bipolarity because of the transfo , those are probably not in direct time phase. So yes a bride will be helpful for you.

I am actually gonna split the difference equally  so that there is zero voltage diffference between each signal

In other words i will do on purpose what you are trying to avoid.












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Re: unipolar pulse trains
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2008, 23:34:21 pm »
ok so i went out and got a bridge rectifier and i have the square waves coming out of the transformer turning into unipolar pulses right before the diode......a huge difference in bubble production so far it's looking good.....i notice when i play with the size of the water capcitor on my current setup it seems the smaller i go the more and more bubbles there are......so since my tubes are of 12 inch length my impedance/capcitance values of my bifilar coil must greatly overpower that of my water capacitor.......i ran a trial with the flyback transformer around 4kv into the same exact setup and got once again an incredibly tiny amount of bubbles........i need the flyback transformer effect to happen inside my water capcitor.....h/o i'm getting closer.

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Re: unipolar pulse trains
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2008, 00:15:27 am »
even when you get it unipolar know that everybody had the same problem you will have... arcing in the water cap.

(notice the arcing )

IMHO, the electron extraction should help prevent the arcing, which hasn't been included in any experiments that I've seen.  Lack of electrons, inability to arc.

I've watched that video numerous times.  At what time in the video do you see the arcing?

Yes kinesis , your water probably wont be pure enough , and VIC 7-8 is all in 1, plz read the post i made a few weeks ago regarding this @ waterfuelcell.org , and plz read quote #6 , where he mentions the electron inhibiting effect in direct relationship to voltage inducement effect

This goes directly against what Meyer says, any type of water can be used including sea water(which would be conductive).  This might just be stuck in my mind though.  I've read and reread the tech brief and his other patents enough times that I might be confused and that seemed to be his goal of all these publications so reproduction would be futile by a stealing of the idea S.O.B.

I question how much success any of us will see until all of the pieces (high voltage, electron extraction, incoming air ionization, and ...) are combined.  If it were easy Meyer's wouldn't have been working on this for so many years, although there are obvious improvements going on. 

When I first started researching all of this, I didn't have that much respect for Stan Meyer.  After doing an assload of reading, watching videos, and trying to reach an understanding of what he was trying to do, that man was ONE SMART S.O.B

Mikemongo

Everyone, keep up the good work and research!!!








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Re: unipolar pulse trains
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2008, 02:54:44 am »
alright i got the step charging effect but its so tiny before it peaks out.......i have the unipolar pulses via my diode bridge 1000v 35a...but my 40 volts coming off my step up audio  transformer i think are greatly diminished or maybe i am mixing things up.....i did too many things tonight can't quite remember the sequential order......but the capacitor bank such as kevin wests setup does add to the production of bubbles.....im thinking my voltage needs to be way more in order to increase the use of the resistance.......i don''t know i think im going to mess with the 4-5 kilovolts again tonight maybe that might work.

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« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2008, 03:38:26 am »
alright i got the step charging effect but its so tiny before it peaks out.......i have the unipolar pulses via my diode bridge 1000v 35a...but my 40 volts coming off my step up audio  transformer i think are greatly diminished or maybe i am mixing things up.....i did too many things tonight can't quite remember the sequential order......but the capacitor bank such as kevin wests setup does add to the production of bubbles.....im thinking my voltage needs to be way more in order to increase the use of the resistance.......i don''t know i think im going to mess with the 4-5 kilovolts again tonight maybe that might work.

Insane bro , you must feel proud after achiever special electrolysis. But the fun is just beginning....