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Title: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 28, 2008, 07:00:33 am
arghhh getting frustrated......ok so i have a flyback transformer rigged as my vic transformer........my input is 12vdc 50 percent duty cycle sqaure waves my amp consumption is .84 which equals 10.08 watts.......my meter reads 4.2 kilovolts coming off the flyback......this means my amps have become 0.0024 inside the conversion of the flyback meaning my resistance in the flyback is 5000 ohms or 5 kiloohms now as i understand i would need atleast 47.6 kilo ohms to achieve the 40 kilo volt range........now this 4.2 kilo volts i have runs directly into my bifilar 3.3millihenry inductor after the diode....it comes out the same. everything is still exactly the same........so i tried another bifilar coil......pumped up to 5 kilvolts but then something happened.....the enamel surrounding the wires gave way and the spark jumped from wire to wire short circuiting it......now i have one huge ass bifilar left and it's of the same wire.........i attached it for a brief period just to check it out and then unattached it touched the terminal ends and damn i got shocked......touched it again.....shocked again......i did this about 5 times constantly still getting shocked.....i didn't get a chance to see how much teh voltage grew in capcitance.......so my point here is that the more windings and the larger the core it acts as a better capacitor and can literally store the electricity for long periods of time.......now i have NOT hooked up the oscope to check for the UNIPOLAR PULSE TRAIN WHICH IS WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT......but i do notice in the schematics that he has unipolar before the bifilar leading me to believe he has some form of pulse transformer...i am going to just bridge recitify it i think that should work..........OH PLUS I TRIED EXACTLY WHAT KEVIN WEST WAS USING 4 MICROWAVE CAPCITORS TO ACT AS RESISTANCE but they completely destroy the wave form by making it almost nothing, but i think this is becuase i am not using a unipolar pulse train....i know he uses pulses of hertz so this is why it works for him......i think it's becuase i am using Khz wave spectrum while these are rated for the 50-60Hz range.....
SO attention to detail....YOU MUST HAVE A UNIPOLAR WAVEFORM GOING INTO THE BIFILAR COIL IN ORDER FOR THIS TO WORK CORRECTLY.....THE TRANSFORMER IS WHAT IS DUMPING HTE UNIPOLAR PULSE INTO THE INDUCTORS THE INDUCTORS STORE IT LIEK A CAPACITOR......VERY FEW SCHEMATICS SHOW THIS DETAIL....HE USUALLY JUST WRITES IT......SO SINCE I CAN'T GET MY HANDS ON A CHEAP PULSE TRANSFORMER RIGHT NOW AND AM STUCK WITH MY AUDIO TRANSFORMER AND MY FLYBACK I WILL TRY TO GHETTO RIG THIS.
REMEMBER UNIPOLAR SHOULD BE COMING OUT OF THE TRANSFORMER OR THE ALTERNATOR WHATEVER METHOD YOUR DOING......PULSE TRANSFORMER FOR US SOLID STATE GUYS or maybe audio transformer with diode bridge or even flyback with diode bridge!!!!!!
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 28, 2008, 13:23:55 pm
Yeah well i'm not surprised those big capacitors screw up your waveform in khz range , extra capacitores were never recommended or mentionned in the meyers papers , i would try to stay as close as possible to the papers and never deviate .
What was the rating of your bifilar coils coating , what was the build normal or heavy ? or maybe extra heavy ? Good coating is important , eclipsed also had his precious coil burn up on him after he spent the whole day winding it.
3kv per mi ( 1/1000th of an inch ) is what most coatings are rated for. Of course , if your hookup is like crux neogen or kevin west the voltage difference is increased dramatically , thats why Kevin west has his coils in sectionnal spools , otherwise his coils could spark . The voltage is so high that it would be over the breakdown of the same positive coil wire , but the resistance of the coating is about a billion times that of going that extra 3 inches to get to that spot thought the wire so it dooesnt really count as a spark . But if you got that negative choke 62 wound bifilar right next to your positive choke its a different story...
So what do you mean by unipolar pulse transformer ? your transfo sends impulses to the negative and positive rail and *dumps it into both inductors* ?
I was actually gonna try to do this on purpose , and equally split the voltage with the secondary , but i will try both .
So how did the high voltage translate into gas production ? did you get nice production ?
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 28, 2008, 16:29:42 pm
figure 7-8 vic matrix circuit is THE BEST VIC CIRCUIT SCHEMATIC for replicating......this literally breaks it down into its components.....meyers stopped showing the step by step process of what goes on through the vic and started talking about what the vic does as a whole in his later writings.....most likely since he compressed it into a single core......he is not being sneaky or hiding the truth as the tiny few still believe.
and dankie as for production.....the water capacitor was not fully "air tight" it leaked electricity due to the non unipolar pulses, no true step charging occurs......a horrible amount of bubbles......but i am getting a bridge rectifier and this will most likely create what i'm looking for....remember there are so many different ways to do this,
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 28, 2008, 17:12:33 pm
figure 7-8 vic matrix circuit is THE BEST VIC CIRCUIT SCHEMATIC for replicating......this literally breaks it down into its components.....meyers stopped showing the step by step process of what goes on through the vic and started talking about what the vic does as a whole in his later writings.....most likely since he compressed it into a single core......he is not being sneaky or hiding the truth as the tiny few still believe.
and dankie as for production.....the water capacitor was not fully "air tight" it leaked electricity due to the non unipolar pulses, no true step charging occurs......a horrible amount of bubbles......but i am getting a bridge rectifier and this will most likely create what i'm looking for....remember there are so many different ways to do this,
even when you get it unipolar know that everybody had the same problem you will have... arcing in the water cap(amp flow).
So you are having some bipolarity because of the transfo , those are probably not in direct time phase. So yes a bride will be helpful for you.
I am actually gonna split the difference equally so that there is zero voltage diffference between each signal
In other words i will do on purpose what you are trying to avoid.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 28, 2008, 23:34:21 pm
ok so i went out and got a bridge rectifier and i have the square waves coming out of the transformer turning into unipolar pulses right before the diode......a huge difference in bubble production so far it's looking good.....i notice when i play with the size of the water capcitor on my current setup it seems the smaller i go the more and more bubbles there are......so since my tubes are of 12 inch length my impedance/capcitance values of my bifilar coil must greatly overpower that of my water capacitor.......i ran a trial with the flyback transformer around 4kv into the same exact setup and got once again an incredibly tiny amount of bubbles........i need the flyback transformer effect to happen inside my water capcitor.....h/o i'm getting closer.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 29, 2008, 00:15:27 am
even when you get it unipolar know that everybody had the same problem you will have... arcing in the water cap.
(notice the arcing )
IMHO, the electron extraction should help prevent the arcing, which hasn't been included in any experiments that I've seen. Lack of electrons, inability to arc.
I've watched that video numerous times. At what time in the video do you see the arcing?
Yes kinesis , your water probably wont be pure enough , and VIC 7-8 is all in 1, plz read the post i made a few weeks ago regarding this @ waterfuelcell.org , and plz read quote #6 , where he mentions the electron inhibiting effect in direct relationship to voltage inducement effect
This goes directly against what Meyer says, any type of water can be used including sea water(which would be conductive). This might just be stuck in my mind though. I've read and reread the tech brief and his other patents enough times that I might be confused and that seemed to be his goal of all these publications so reproduction would be futile by a stealing of the idea S.O.B.
I question how much success any of us will see until all of the pieces (high voltage, electron extraction, incoming air ionization, and ...) are combined. If it were easy Meyer's wouldn't have been working on this for so many years, although there are obvious improvements going on.
When I first started researching all of this, I didn't have that much respect for Stan Meyer. After doing an assload of reading, watching videos, and trying to reach an understanding of what he was trying to do, that man was ONE SMART S.O.B
Mikemongo
Everyone, keep up the good work and research!!!
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 29, 2008, 02:54:44 am
alright i got the step charging effect but its so tiny before it peaks out.......i have the unipolar pulses via my diode bridge 1000v 35a...but my 40 volts coming off my step up audio transformer i think are greatly diminished or maybe i am mixing things up.....i did too many things tonight can't quite remember the sequential order......but the capacitor bank such as kevin wests setup does add to the production of bubbles.....im thinking my voltage needs to be way more in order to increase the use of the resistance.......i don''t know i think im going to mess with the 4-5 kilovolts again tonight maybe that might work.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 29, 2008, 03:38:26 am
alright i got the step charging effect but its so tiny before it peaks out.......i have the unipolar pulses via my diode bridge 1000v 35a...but my 40 volts coming off my step up audio transformer i think are greatly diminished or maybe i am mixing things up.....i did too many things tonight can't quite remember the sequential order......but the capacitor bank such as kevin wests setup does add to the production of bubbles.....im thinking my voltage needs to be way more in order to increase the use of the resistance.......i don''t know i think im going to mess with the 4-5 kilovolts again tonight maybe that might work.
Insane bro , you must feel proud after achiever special electrolysis. But the fun is just beginning....
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 29, 2008, 04:17:43 am
alright so here is the deal.....50 percent duty cycle 12 volt input into audio transformer, primary is isolated from secondary, 40-45 volt output off secondary is then sent into diode brigde, unipolar pulses come out exactly as in stanley meyers patents......unipolar pulse goes through diode into 3.3 millihenry bifilar wound inductor which then goes through the capcitor bank which is equal on both sides of the chokes.....10 Mohm.......this is then dropped into the 1 inch or less cell.......i can get resonance at this amount of water capacitor....it forms the tidal waveform......i need to get this on a larger scale......any ideas?...i'm going to get up after this and try the flyback transformer into this setup.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 29, 2008, 07:40:04 am
alright soooooo othe flybacks output frequency is incompatible with setup of meyers system......it would take an entirely different system .....i did get bubbles with 4-5kv at .004 amps but nothing special.......now I HAVE A BEAUTIFUL unipolar stepup wave form......i will make a video tomorrow.....i got the unipolar pulse to work withouth the bridge diode.....come to to find out my other diode wasn't working, somehow it blew........here is the thing i am stuck at......i only have 10 volts in my cell with my cell being around 1 inch or less tall......the taller the cell the less the voltage...it seems my vic isn't putting out enough voltage and is putting in a few amps meaning less than .5......my energy is lost somewhere and if i can only get this resistance down correctly i think i am done......i have everything perfectly DOES NAYONE HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS AS WHAT TO ADD TO MY SYSTEM TO INCREASE MY CELLS VOLTAGE......here is the overall block diagram.... (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/almostthere.jpg)
i think i am going to buy some VERY STRONG RESISTORS TOMORROW i think my problem is my microwave capacitors.....they are an odd form of resistance they DO WORK but i feel there is a better way.....SHIT IS GOING DOWN.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 29, 2008, 09:44:44 am
alright soooooo othe flybacks output frequency is incompatible with setup of meyers system......it would take an entirely different system .....i did get bubbles with 4-5kv at .004 amps but nothing special.......now I HAVE A BEAUTIFUL unipolar stepup wave form......i will make a video tomorrow.....i got the unipolar pulse to work withouth the bridge diode.....come to to find out my other diode wasn't working, somehow it blew........here is the thing i am stuck at......i only have 10 volts in my cell with my cell being around 1 inch or less tall......the taller the cell the less the voltage...it seems my vic isn't putting out enough voltage and is putting in a few amps meaning less than .5......my energy is lost somewhere and if i can only get this resistance down correctly i think i am done......i have everything perfectly DOES NAYONE HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS AS WHAT TO ADD TO MY SYSTEM TO INCREASE MY CELLS VOLTAGE......here is the overall block diagram.... (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/almostthere.jpg)
i think i am going to buy some VERY STRONG RESISTORS TOMORROW i think my problem is my microwave capacitors.....they are an odd form of resistance they DO WORK but i feel there is a better way.....SHIT IS GOING DOWN.
Kenisis,
Can you please be more specific on that capacitor bank of you? Is it a capacitor in parallel with yr tubes? Or is it a RC comby?
br Steve
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 29, 2008, 15:46:24 pm
alright soooooo othe flybacks output frequency is incompatible with setup of meyers system......it would take an entirely different system .....i did get bubbles with 4-5kv at .004 amps but nothing special.......now I HAVE A BEAUTIFUL unipolar stepup wave form......i will make a video tomorrow.....i got the unipolar pulse to work withouth the bridge diode.....come to to find out my other diode wasn't working, somehow it blew........here is the thing i am stuck at......i only have 10 volts in my cell with my cell being around 1 inch or less tall......the taller the cell the less the voltage...it seems my vic isn't putting out enough voltage and is putting in a few amps meaning less than .5......my energy is lost somewhere and if i can only get this resistance down correctly i think i am done......i have everything perfectly DOES NAYONE HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS AS WHAT TO ADD TO MY SYSTEM TO INCREASE MY CELLS VOLTAGE......here is the overall block diagram.... (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/almostthere.jpg)
i think i am going to buy some VERY STRONG RESISTORS TOMORROW i think my problem is my microwave capacitors.....they are an odd form of resistance they DO WORK but i feel there is a better way.....SHIT IS GOING DOWN.
From my tests, the reason you can't get your voltage over 10 volts with your set up, is because when you increase voltage, the water resistance decreases, so it conducts more and you will need more AMPs to increase your voltage. and since your current set up might have a 0.5 AMPs your set up is limited to the 10volts.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 29, 2008, 18:03:50 pm
well im not increasing voltage anywhere.....it goes into my transformer at 12 volts around 2.2 amps and comes out 40 volts at .66 amps and then between the bifilar coil and the capacitor bank it drops to 10 volts but remains around teh same amount of amperage.....my voltage is never being played with it remains the same throughout....i just feel that my resistance is working the way it is intended.....and when i put a volt meter to my electrodes i would assume to see the votlage go from zero to w/e then drop to zero over and over again as the capacitor charges and discharges but it just remains at a constant 10 volts.....less water higher voltage........i'm going to get some strong resistors to replace the capacitors today.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 30, 2008, 04:26:30 am
crap i can't seem to get the same pulse tidal wave form i had yesterday......but besides that i have a problem......ok well first off the diode takes the square waves and half rectifies them I HAVE THAT......so now no pulse is below the zero line........now the bifilar coil is supposed to take that half rectified wave form and on the off pulses make an equal pulse of the same voltage........THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN.....MY BIFILAR COIL ISN'T DOING THIS AT ALL......this is why im not getting a true step charging affect.....i get a load of shit and my water capacitor doesn't fill to its break down levels.......i got two 12 k ohm resistors rated at 30 watt......this is the closest to the 11.6 kiloohm i could get.....so anyone out there with a working bifilar coil??? i have it made correctly so i have no idea wtf is going on....image 4 is what i'm after......
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 30, 2008, 09:24:14 am
alright major info here.....this might just be it.....
this is a qoute from naudin
"I have conducted some tests to understand better the working process in the TEP. The main goal of these series of tests is to compare Bifilar coils and Bucking coils for their inductive and Back EMF effects.
I have used :
- a BIFILAR coil L1,L2 ( interweaved ) which has a calculated inductance of 0.59 mH ( each )
- a BUCKING coil L1,L2 ( in serial ) which has a calculated inductance of 0.75 mH ( each )
The tested coils are switched through a transistor BDX53C by a square wave generator.. The inducted signal is received through a coil L3 ( wounded around the bifilar ). Calculated inductance : L3 = 7.6 mH"
so he has a bifilar wound coil L1 AND L2........and then has another coil wound around it L3...this is how he gets a pulse on the off pulse.......i will have to try this.....we need back EMF when the fields collapse.....if this doesn't work i think something might be up with my water capacitor.......maybe the container it's in is grounding it or something.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 30, 2008, 11:41:56 am
crap i can't seem to get the same pulse tidal wave form i had yesterday......but besides that i have a problem......ok well first off the diode takes the square waves and half rectifies them I HAVE THAT......so now no pulse is below the zero line........now the bifilar coil is supposed to take that half rectified wave form and on the off pulses make an equal pulse of the same voltage........THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN.....MY BIFILAR COIL ISN'T DOING THIS AT ALL......this is why im not getting a true step charging affect.....i get a load of shit and my water capacitor doesn't fill to its break down levels.......i got two 12 k ohm resistors rated at 30 watt......this is the closest to the 11.6 kiloohm i could get.....so anyone out there with a working bifilar coil??? i have it made correctly so i have no idea wtf is going on....image 4 is what i'm after......
crap i can't seem to get the same pulse tidal wave form i had yesterday......but besides that i have a problem......ok well first off the diode takes the square waves and half rectifies them I HAVE THAT......so now no pulse is below the zero line........now the bifilar coil is supposed to take that half rectified wave form and on the off pulses make an equal pulse of the same voltage........THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN.....MY BIFILAR COIL ISN'T DOING THIS AT ALL......this is why im not getting a true step charging affect.....i get a load of shit and my water capacitor doesn't fill to its break down levels.......i got two 12 k ohm resistors rated at 30 watt......this is the closest to the 11.6 kiloohm i could get.....so anyone out there with a working bifilar coil??? i have it made correctly so i have no idea wtf is going on....image 4 is what i'm after......
Well just do exactly what you did before this , just connect it the exact same way it was when you were producing gas.... If it doesnt work that means your components have been damaged and you gotta replace them .
Simple as that .
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 30, 2008, 22:17:39 pm
alright so i still can't get this INDUCTIVE COUPLING.......i have a unipolar pulse train (nothing below the zero volt line)......its stepped up to 40 votls.......but its still in an on off pulse.......i cannot get the inductive coupling....has anyone gotten the inductive coupling......and by inductive coupling i mean the second wave form located here.....the first is the unipolar but the second is the inductive coupling. (http://www.martin-mandl.com/thesis/thesis-107.gif)
i would love to know who has gotten the bottom wave form using solid state setup.....transformer and the bifilar inductor......not ac current and a bridge rectifier......but pulsed dc going through a diode into a bifilar coil and on hte off pulse creating an equal pulse causing the above second wave form this is important!!!!!
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 31, 2008, 01:21:58 am
You should go ask at other sites , theres not much people here . Maybe someone had the same problem you are having....
look at dogs project section , he had some success with a setup similar to yours , i'm sure there some info you will find useful .
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 31, 2008, 02:11:34 am
well i knowwhy my capacitor never rises higher than 30 volts becuase my wave form is a 50 percent stepped up unipolar pulse.....the inductor is not creating that second pulse as it is stated to.......so my water capcitor just charges discharges charges discharges.........over and over never reaching 40,000 volt states...hahaha.
here is where my shit just stops. (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/yesnoshit.jpg)
once i can get the correct waveform out of this crap im convinced i will have it done....
i will go to an electronics forum.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 31, 2008, 03:08:23 am
I have done several 100s of these tests, There is no way we can put 40,000 volts across those tubes, maybe if you run 2 wires and plug them to the HV lines out on the street.
The problem is that the more voltage you put into your WFC the more it will conduct.
Now about that paragraph: "voltage is switched off... bla.. bla.. bla....."
This is the description of DC resonance circuit, but It does not really work the way Stan describes.
When the pulse is off, yes the choke's magnetic field collapes, but it is very fast, and when the pulse is turned back on, the energy from the choke is gone.
so you never get the double pulse that Stan Blabs about.
the real DC resonance circuit works like this: http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/dcreschg.html
there the power supplied to the choke is constant, and the pulses are created by discharging the capacitor that was charged by the choke.
I have tested this with a real cap and it does work.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 31, 2008, 04:20:35 am
Bro , you wont have the answer even when your done , theres like 1000 guys that made the same exact toroid and bifilar and i havent seen any miracles... chill.... there will be bubbles , but immediatly when you succeed , you fall into a dead end again with even more complex things to uncover ......
dont panic , id say too much voltage will always cross over directly if you dont have some advanced setup or coating ... all capacitors have breakdown levels ....
Get a variable transformer and see what voltage is best suited , make it work with a diode and make sure you are getting that double pulse . Make sure you wound professionally .... If this doesnt work buy some plexiglass and wind some flat bifilars , experiment .
Maybe ease off on the resistance a little .....
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 31, 2008, 20:19:11 pm
hmmm well the people over there are trying but can't seem to understand how it would work either.....i think the bifilar coil is what confuses everyone......so it seems the reason we don't get the second pulse to be perfect is do to the reactance of the inductor and the capcitor are not in resonance....i need a good multimeter for capacitance inductance and frequency.....my oscope only goes so far.
taken from: http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_6/2.html (http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_6/2.html)
"A condition of resonance will be experienced in a tank circuit (Figure below) when the reactances of the capacitor and inductor are equal to each other. Because inductive reactance increases with increasing frequency and capacitive reactance decreases with increasing frequency, there will only be one frequency where these two reactances will be equal."
"What happens at resonance is quite interesting. With capacitive and inductive reactances equal to each other, the total impedance increases to infinity, meaning that the tank circuit draws no current from the AC power source!"
then they do all the math and it comes out to undefined. DEFINATELY CHEK OUT THAT LINK for a system to be in resonance the capcitor and the inductors
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 31, 2008, 21:47:57 pm
Lol going back to the basics ? So didnt you already sweep frequencies lol ?
Just connect it like it was the first time , sweep with your pwm or even better a signal generator . Aim for lower resistance lower step-up higher Q network . And coat your cell if you want resistance ,
I havent ever seen any working example of high volt electrolysis . Most i ever saw was Hdemartin and his production sucked , Dogs came to the same conclusion , this guy has alot of electronic experience and the tools to experiment ...
Maybe your winding is not correct , when winding a bifilar its good to have *bifilar double stranded wire* so you are sure you are making a perfect coil.
Its these little details you have to pay attention to , but im sure you will be successful with your Dave Lawtons replication .
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 01, 2008, 00:56:47 am
How about looking at where heat is being created. Take for example a single led light, a single resistor and a battery. Can you calculate where the heat will be lost, or consumed? Led, 600 Ohm Resistor, 12 volts. There is the solution to answer that question.
Where does the Power go, where is it consumed? Take a look at your circuits, is it what you thought?
How is it you can trick the energy directing it to where you desire, would then the fuel cell become part of the circuit? Is a fuel cell a condenser or capacitor? What exactly is a condenser used for anyways? Can anyone answer that? In the vic, can you calculate where the power is being consumed and in what form it gives? If so, why is the amp consuming device also generating power to be consumed, how is that possible? What would be impossible, and what would not. If the device doesn't work as stated then it simply doesn't work because 1000 tried it many times, or maybe because the generating device was not generating because it cant or was not "functioning properly."
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 01, 2008, 03:14:14 am
well i knowwhy my capacitor never rises higher than 30 volts becuase my wave form is a 50 percent stepped up unipolar pulse.....the inductor is not creating that second pulse as it is stated to.......so my water capcitor just charges discharges charges discharges.........over and over never reaching 40,000 volt states...hahaha.
here is where my shit just stops. (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/yesnoshit.jpg)
once i can get the correct waveform out of this crap im convinced i will have it done....
i will go to an electronics forum.
Me and stevie has both seen square waves coming from a transformer. Sound impossible? Its not! Here is some other related material. http://people.seas.harvard.edu/~jones/es154/lectures/lecture_2/diode_circuits/diode_appl.html
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 01, 2008, 09:27:20 am
GUYS I DID IT!!!!! MY SHIT LOOKS IDENTICAL TO THE PATENTS!!!! I ACTUALLY FUCKING GOT IT.....OIAISHDHOASDHAHAHAH.....NOOOOOWWWWW ALL I NEED IS SOME SORT OF DEVICE TO FIGURE OUT INDUCTANCE CUASE I WAS USING MY 3.3 MILLIHENRY BIFILAR COIL AND THE ONE I WOUND MYSELF IS MUCH LARGER.....THE 3.3 MILLIHENRY INDUCTOR ONLY ALLOWS AROUND .043 MICROFARAD BUT THEN I JUST SLOWED DOWN MY PULSE VOLTAGE TO A LOWER FREQUENCY AND IT ALLOWED ME TO GO UP TO AROUND .23 MICROFARAD AND SINCE THE WATER CAPCITOR IS JSUT TUBES AND WATER I CAN CHANGE IT TO MEET HTE FREQUENCY ADN THE INDUCTOR BY JUST FILLING IT UP OR TAKING WATER OUT FOR NOW.......WAIT TILL YOU SEE THE OSCOPE SHOTS......MY SETUP IS SOLID STATE AND I USE AN AUDIO TRANSFORMER....I WILL POST EVERYTHING.....
THE REASON THIS WORKED IS LITERALLY BECUASE OF THE RESONANT FREQUENCY........THE ABOVE LINK ABOUT TANK CIRCUITS I JUST USED ALL THE MATH FROM THAT WHICH IS THE SAME EXACT MATH FROM THE PATENT BUT IN SIMPLE TERMINOLOGY......I AM HAPPY.
ahhh just found out how to measure inductance....sooo excited. (http://engr.nmsu.edu/~etti/fall96/electronics/induct/induct.html)
ooo one more addition to the post....i will make a video and put it on of my entire setup first thing in the morning........just so people can replicate it......
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 01, 2008, 18:12:59 pm
GUYS I DID IT!!!!! MY SHIT LOOKS IDENTICAL TO THE PATENTS!!!! I ACTUALLY FUCKING GOT IT.....OIAISHDHOASDHAHAHAH.....NOOOOOWWWWW ALL I NEED IS SOME SORT OF DEVICE TO FIGURE OUT INDUCTANCE CUASE I WAS USING MY 3.3 MILLIHENRY BIFILAR COIL AND THE ONE I WOUND MYSELF IS MUCH LARGER.....THE 3.3 MILLIHENRY INDUCTOR ONLY ALLOWS AROUND .043 MICROFARAD BUT THEN I JUST SLOWED DOWN MY PULSE VOLTAGE TO A LOWER FREQUENCY AND IT ALLOWED ME TO GO UP TO AROUND .23 MICROFARAD AND SINCE THE WATER CAPCITOR IS JSUT TUBES AND WATER I CAN CHANGE IT TO MEET HTE FREQUENCY ADN THE INDUCTOR BY JUST FILLING IT UP OR TAKING WATER OUT FOR NOW.......WAIT TILL YOU SEE THE OSCOPE SHOTS......MY SETUP IS SOLID STATE AND I USE AN AUDIO TRANSFORMER....I WILL POST EVERYTHING.....
THE REASON THIS WORKED IS LITERALLY BECUASE OF THE RESONANT FREQUENCY........THE ABOVE LINK ABOUT TANK CIRCUITS I JUST USED ALL THE MATH FROM THAT WHICH IS THE SAME EXACT MATH FROM THE PATENT BUT IN SIMPLE TERMINOLOGY......I AM HAPPY.
ahhh just found out how to measure inductance....sooo excited. (http://engr.nmsu.edu/~etti/fall96/electronics/induct/induct.html)
ooo one more addition to the post....i will make a video and put it on of my entire setup first thing in the morning........just so people can replicate it......
Hi kenisis,
Sounds good! I am looking forward to your videos and pics!
br Steve
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 01, 2008, 19:19:35 pm
this is it.....i'm trying to get as accurately close to resonance....it's quite odd.......you really do need precision.....so resonance is the key and if it is slightly off it seems that it doesn't soar to high towards infinity.......but i am also using a 3.3millihenry bifilar coil.....which is reatarding this whole thing it only allows me to use a .063 microfarad capacitor.....i need to buy a 60 henry inductor off of digikey 2 of them at that......then we are talking......i have to go to work again i'm sorry i woke up late but JUST WAIT I WILL HAVE YOUR VIDEO!!!
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 01, 2008, 20:46:31 pm
this is it.....i'm trying to get as accurately close to resonance....it's quite odd.......you really do need precision.....so resonance is the key and if it is slightly off it seems that it doesn't soar to high towards infinity.......but i am also using a 3.3millihenry bifilar coil.....which is reatarding this whole thing it only allows me to use a .063 microfarad capacitor.....i need to buy a 60 henry inductor off of digikey 2 of them at that......then we are talking......i have to go to work again i'm sorry i woke up late but JUST WAIT I WILL HAVE YOUR VIDEO!!!
awesome kinesis !!!
So your gonna get a bigger coil so you can work with a bigger cell ? that would be the logical next step.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 02, 2008, 00:59:54 am
i think you should stick with what you have and perfect what you have, then move on. Just my view after several move on's.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 02, 2008, 01:56:36 am
alright this is another website that helped me out alot..... http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_6/3.html (http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_6/3.html)
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 02, 2008, 02:40:30 am
alright so my input frequency is 5.57 khz of pulsed dc through my transformer and stepped up in voltage on the other side...now the secondary is isloated from the primary forming the vic circuit......when it becomes a unipolar double pulse frequency (i sent it through a diode bridge for a full wave rectification (his inductor with diode concept does not work ....with what i have atleast) it is at a frequency of 11.26 khz i guess basically twice the frequency since it's double pulsed......but at this point i notice my stepped up voltage is now basically stepped down alot.....from around 30 volts to around 5 volts........then the unipolar double frequency pulse is sent through the blocking diode and into my 3.3 millihenry inductor bifilarw wound and then into sent into my water capcitor with a capcitance of .061 micro farad.......incredibly small.......so my amp draw drops to around .18 amps and the voltage goes to around 25......not 132 like it should be.....i'm not sure what is going on.....any ideas.....could my oscope probe being connecting between the excitor zones be doing something?.....i do recall when i first touched my multimeter to the tubes it read around 132.......so maybe having the oscope continually connected adds some form of something causing the voltage to drop.......but i think the reason my shit isn't going to soar to around 40,000 volts is becuase "if the electronic compnents allow it to".......so i need a larger inductor......i need to get a 60 henry or larger inductor.....and resistive wire would help to boost the resonance by alot......this added material would allow the electronics to go even farther......i am almost positive it is not necessary but a great great addition.......so where i am now......i have the concept and the foundation laid.....time to just build upon it.....I WILL POST VIDEOS TONIGHT I PROMISE.......crap i just re did all of the above and have new numbers.....a more perfect square wave gives a perfect unipolar pulse....mine was a tad off. literally a tad.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 02, 2008, 05:09:59 am
kinesisfilms
Looking forward to seeing your video. ;D Good luck finding your coils, You may have to make them.
Spike
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 02, 2008, 07:50:28 am
alright so here is my statistics with my electronics that won't strive to go towards infiniti....i need some mystical shit to get me to get me to 20kv...........so my primary input is 11,700 Hz of 12 vdc 50 percent duty cycle at 2.14 amps......the vic is pulling .174 amps at 29 volts.........this is what doesn't make sense.......my input wattage is 25.68 and the output wattage is 5.046......where is the otyher 20 watt lost??? my voltage should be 147.58 volts......nopeeee......but i have the step charging working sooo perfectly.....anyone know where the loss would be?....hmm i just looked at kevin wests facts.....http://www.waterforfuel.com/product4.html (http://www.waterforfuel.com/product4.html)...i think i am going to try to link the capcitance with the inductance like he did....crap nevermind.....he uses an alternator which can alter the ac current before it becomes wave recitifed.....i am working with square waves of pulsed dc......and they have to remain 50% duty cycle which limits me to 3 frequencies with my pwm and audio transformer.....so the only way i can change my capcitor size is to change my inductance to a larger value preferrably one of smaller inductance......it appears that with the resonant frequency equation i need smaller L in order to have larger C....
argh....this is what is confusing me at the moment.....stans rlc circuit is a series circuit......yet a resonant circuit that has current of zero and voltage towards infiniti is a parallel one......hmm....
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 02, 2008, 10:12:04 am
so if voltage is to ascend towards infiniti we must have a parallel circuit....stans resonant charging chokes are in series with the capacitor which would actually increase current and lower voltage.....but if they are bifilar wound the magnetic fields would cancel each other out and produce no current.......so how can anything be done.......i hope this is the parallel i have been wondering about
if he actually uses the secondary as his inductor then we have ourselves the parallel lc circuit...and this overlooked detail was the answer to everything.
I NEED TO CALCULATE MY TRANSFORMERS SECONDARY INDUCTANCE.....I HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO THOUGH....these websites on how to measure inductance are vague....I THINK THIS IS THE LAST STEP AND I WILL HAVE A VIC.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 02, 2008, 10:38:46 am
Kenisis,
Its good to see you up and running! The idea of the LC with trafo'sec and wfc is what crossed my mind a year ago. I hope you get it working, but i think it will not work because of the diode in the closed circuit...
br Steve
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 02, 2008, 13:28:03 pm
lol @ stevo, Shame on you...
Kines, maybe this will help you a small bit.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 02, 2008, 16:01:36 pm
kinesisfilms
I hope this helps 2 2m -6 Henrys or L = Mr x N x A x 1.26 x 10 L
Mr = permability of the core, Air is = to 1, Ferite or iron powder would be more
N = number of turns squared
A = area of the exterior of the core in square meters
L = length of the wire in meters
Spike
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 02, 2008, 18:43:30 pm
spike i have no idea about any of that information to fill in those equations i have seen that equation already but have no use for it thank you anyways i think i am going out to home depot/radio shack for an inductance meter right now......
i am almost positive that the transformer winding is what makes this a parallel lc circuit allowing potential energy to ascend towards infiniti......my setup right now is a step charging series bifilar lc circuit.....i know why my watts were lost......my series lc circuit maximes current and minimizes voltage since impedance is zero but the bifilar coil resists voltage.....it' is lost in the magnetic field........now that i can see the parallel lc circuit with the transformers secondary........it all makes perfect sense........so first we get the resonant frequency of the capcitor and the secondary transformer (inductor) then voltage is towards infiniti while current goes to zero.....but current won't necessarily go that close to zero due to electronic equipment.....thus hte bifilar coil comes into play and acts as a resistor through magnetic fields........furthering the voltage......and now that i understand the parallel lc circuit being the secondary transformer and the water capcitor i might be able to get rid of my bridge recitifier since stanleys diode and resonant charging chokes might actually produce the double pulse.......
SEE THIS ENTIRE TIME I WAS THINKING THE INDUCTOR THAT MAKES ALL THIS WORK IS IN THE RESONANT CHARGING CHOKES......WHEN IN FACT IT'S THE ENTIRE VIC......THE SECONDARY IS A PART OF THE COMPLETE SYSTEM......THE SECONDARY IS PROBABLLY THE MOST IMPORTANT PART......the transformer has to resonate....
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 02, 2008, 19:11:13 pm
spike i have no idea about any of that information to fill in those equations i have seen that equation already but have no use for it thank you anyways i think i am going out to home depot/radio shack for an inductance meter right now......
i am almost positive that the transformer winding is what makes this a parallel lc circuit allowing potential energy to ascend towards infiniti......my setup right now is a step charging series bifilar lc circuit.....i know why my watts were lost......my series lc circuit maximes current and minimizes voltage since impedance is zero but the bifilar coil resists voltage.....it' is lost in the magnetic field........now that i can see the parallel lc circuit with the transformers secondary........it all makes perfect sense........so first we get the resonant frequency of the capcitor and the secondary transformer (inductor) then voltage is towards infiniti while current goes to zero.....but current won't necessarily go that close to zero due to electronic equipment.....thus hte bifilar coil comes into play and acts as a resistor through magnetic fields........furthering the voltage......and now that i understand the parallel lc circuit being the secondary transformer and the water capcitor i might be able to get rid of my bridge recitifier since stanleys diode and resonant charging chokes might actually produce the double pulse.......
SEE THIS ENTIRE TIME I WAS THINKING THE INDUCTOR THAT MAKES ALL THIS WORK IS IN THE RESONANT CHARGING CHOKES......WHEN IN FACT IT'S THE ENTIRE VIC......THE SECONDARY IS A PART OF THE COMPLETE SYSTEM......THE SECONDARY IS PROBABLLY THE MOST IMPORTANT PART......the transformer has to resonate....
Great research Kinesis :)
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 02, 2008, 22:03:13 pm
If it doesnt work with a diode its not meyers , its true that it is lc and will have a resonant freq but it is bi-polar ..... bipolar in different time phase.... no polarization ..... no production......... its simple..... very simple..................................................................
hahah a diode makes it unipolar get out your oscope and multimeter.....the more hands on you get the less all those what if's and i think so's become.........nice try though.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 02, 2008, 22:12:38 pm
If it doesnt work with a diode its not meyers , its true that it is lc and will have a resonant freq but it is bi-polar ..... bipolar in different time phase.... no polarization ..... no production......... its simple..... very simple..................................................................
hahah a diode makes it unipolar get out your oscope and multimeter.....the more hands on you get the less all those what if's and i think so's become.........nice try though.
a diode makes it unipolar.... yes....
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 02, 2008, 22:24:03 pm
you talk of bi polar......bi polar over what......if bi polar is going across your cell nothing is going to happen.......it only charges in one direction........and if you understand rlc circuits then you will realize that an inductor in series with a capcitor is a resonant charging circuit which PRODUCES HIGH CURRENT AT RESONANCE SINCE IMPEDANCE DROPS TOWARDS ZERO.....IMPEDANCE MEANING RESISTANCE AND IF THERE IS NO RESISTANCE THEN CURRENT IS THE PRIME KEY FACTOR HERE.......SO THEN HUGE LODS OF CURRENT ARE BEING DUMPED INTO THE CELL......
now in a parallel rlc circuit......at resonance impedance is towards infiniti meaning current is towards zero leaving voltage towards infinity......thus dropping high voltage into a capcitor....a capcitor stores voltage..........not current......
I HAVE BEEN TRYING AND TRYING........please tell me what you have done to get 40,000 volts......no better yet how about you get 1 kilovolt........i have done the math behind this and the only factor i am not including is the impedance and inductance of my secondary WHICH IS A PART OF THE VIC.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 02, 2008, 22:32:43 pm
you talk of bi polar......bi polar over what......if bi polar is going across your cell nothing is going to happen.......it only charges in one direction........and if you understand rlc circuits then you will realize that an inductor in series with a capcitor is a resonant charging circuit which PRODUCES HIGH CURRENT AT RESONANCE SINCE IMPEDANCE DROPS TOWARDS ZERO.....IMPEDANCE MEANING RESISTANCE AND IF THERE IS NO RESISTANCE THEN CURRENT IS THE PRIME KEY FACTOR HERE.......SO THEN HUGE LODS OF CURRENT ARE BEING DUMPED INTO THE CELL......
now in a parallel rlc circuit......at resonance impedance is towards infiniti meaning current is towards zero leaving voltage towards infinity......thus dropping high voltage into a capcitor....a capcitor stores voltage..........not current......
I HAVE BEEN TRYING AND TRYING........please tell me what you have done to get 40,000 volts......no better yet how about you get 1 kilovolt........i have done the math behind this and the only factor i am not including is the impedance and inductance of my secondary WHICH IS A PART OF THE VIC.
Correct! thats exactly what i'm saying , bi-polar (no diode ).....
sorry for being mean i will delete my post
Dont mistake this with bi-polar in same time phase tho ,
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 03, 2008, 07:07:05 am
agh i keep coming back to parallel over and over.....series doesn't do much of anything as meyers concepts provide......
here is a video on parallel resonance of lc circuits.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xefg-EfC4Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xefg-EfC4Q)
i know what the patents says but i just can't seem to quite get this in his terms.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 03, 2008, 07:58:31 am
alright so more and more and the never ending amount of reading i take in......i have depleted google and yahoo......so i have come up with this next idea to hold me through......alright so a series lc circuit like stan had at resonance has an impedance of zero......resistance of zero.....current is at it's highest.....but with no impedance the circuit wants to short circuit....as stan had said he places a diode to stop short circuiting adn to direct the release of the stored current towards the capacitor.....so now with the on pulse of the 50 percent duty cycle going into the inductor it buils up a magnetic field and current is at it's highest point in the lc circuit system.....then on the off pulse the current is released towards the capcitor becuase of the diode and is converted from the kinetic state to the potential state exactly like a parallel circuit works......and it repeats over and over without the capcitor discahrging itself until the pulse train ends........
i just hope this will atually work....i have been trying this already non stop but it never seems to want to work this way.....i can achieve the basic alternator way with a solid state setup running through a diode bridge and bifilar coil with voltage amplitude control......i have purchased an inductance meter to help me achieve my calculations easier.....trying to measure inducatnace with a resistor and sine wave is a bitch......i will get this high voltage to work....i feel it.
but as for now resonance can suck my inductance.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 03, 2008, 17:37:24 pm
hey guys, i have some time to visit this forum again and want to let you know about my opinion. I have stopped experimenting because i got much work to do, college started again (studying electrical engineering) and thus i had to revise some stuff, complex impedances etc.
First of all: A resonant series circuit is used to get high voltage from relatively small voltage. It will NOT raise current at the capacitor, only raise the maximum current on the lc-circuit. it is the voltage which is raised on the reactive parts. One source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LC_circuit#Applications_of_resonance_effect Quote: "A series resonant circuit provides voltage magnification."
After studying the tesla patent for the bifilar coil it's clear where i made a mistake when i tested my cell. The bifilar coil is not wound bifilar to create opposing magnetic fields thus minimizing the inductance, it's there to raise the inductance and because of that creating a very high voltage pulse (after lenz's law) which also lowers current. They use this technique with neon lamps, they do not want to use a high ohm resistance, because the thermal energy losses (heat) would be to big, so they use a coil with a high inductive resistance when run on alternating current which will limit current without energy losses. You must connect the bifilar coil like Jnaudin did or tesla, not as stated in D14.pdf!
If everything is done right there is no need for a coating really, because of the very little current at the capacitor.
Alltogether: Pulsed DC (acts like ac on coils etc. but witht he advantage that it's only working in one direction), conventional transformer to step up voltage by the factor 3 (stated in patent), series circuit to get a highly magnified voltage with the right quality of the circuit and the bifilar coil creating a high voltage potential when connected the right way. => low input power, high output voltage, low output current
it's not so hard at all, but after several reports i don't believe really that a voltage field will split atom bindings. maybe i'll have time to build the thing again and i'll see..
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 03, 2008, 19:52:41 pm
oooooo now i think im on to why i am not getting the double pulse out of the "resonant charging choke" as stan states........now on section 7-17 or page 155 of the tech brief .pdf there is figure 7-23 "coil interaction" which talks about distrubuted capacitance.......now i have been reading into this and alot of it has to do with antennas.......funny becuase stephen meyer stated in an interview that you have to build the waterfuel cell like an antenna.
lowimpedance and high impedance http://www.w8ji.com/loading_inductors.htm (http://www.w8ji.com/loading_inductors.htm)
chokes an capacitance http://www.electronics-tutorials.com/basics/chokes.htm (http://www.electronics-tutorials.com/basics/chokes.htm)
so now i'm thikning it's not just an inductor, but a choke......and yes there is a difference!
more things people won't read. http://home.austin.rr.com/teslafun/Induction.htm (http://home.austin.rr.com/teslafun/Induction.htm)
haithar thank you for the above post....i have come to realize what is going on with series lc circuits....but it still something i am not confident in.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 03, 2008, 23:37:48 pm
After studying the tesla patent for the bifilar coil it's clear where i made a mistake when i tested my cell. The bifilar coil is not wound bifilar to create opposing magnetic fields thus minimizing the inductance, it's there to raise the inductance and because of that creating a very high voltage pulse (after lenz's law) which also lowers current.
You must connect the bifilar coil like Jnaudin did or tesla, not as stated in D14.pdf!
If everything is done right there is no need for a coating really, because of the very little current at the capacitor.
Yes i have just been stressing the difference for weeks now , glad you paid attention . Using the Naudin connection inductance is amplified , using the Lawton connection the inductance is nullified.
Using the Naudin connection it would be better to have the coil in sections to avoid any arcing between wires. If you go too high step up voltage it will arc.
oooooo now i think im on to why i am not getting the double pulse out of the "resonant charging choke" as stan states........now on section 7-17 or page 155 of the tech brief .pdf there is figure 7-23 "coil interaction" which talks about distrubuted capacitance.......now i have been reading into this and alot of it has to do with antennas.......funny becuase stephen meyer stated in an interview that you have to build the waterfuel cell like an antenna.
lowimpedance and high impedance http://www.w8ji.com/loading_inductors.htm (http://www.w8ji.com/loading_inductors.htm)
chokes an capacitance http://www.electronics-tutorials.com/basics/chokes.htm (http://www.electronics-tutorials.com/basics/chokes.htm)
so now i'm thikning it's not just an inductor, but a choke......and yes there is a difference!
more things people won't read. http://home.austin.rr.com/teslafun/Induction.htm (http://home.austin.rr.com/teslafun/Induction.htm)
haithar thank you for the above post....i have come to realize what is going on with series lc circuits....but it still something i am not confident in.
Dont get lost now, you've come a long ways. Now go back and look at my thread where i show videos of how the primary of the auto ignition coil is wrapped. Understand how it converts 12 volts to 300+ volts ;)
Then learn what the fuel cell really is, it is a condenser not a capacitor. Well, maybe a very small capacitor but its more of a condenser. If you look at how the auto ignition circuit "is working" then you will see that the diode in stans VIC is missing something.
So you have a transformer, diode. . . . . ... and 2 chokes that convert a low voltage to a very high voltage during the off pulse, "Just like the auto coils primary does, its a converter" and you also have a tunning choke. Hrmm... what could the tuning choke be for?
you know i did some test today. My primary wrapping on my transformer reads 6 ohms. And i used 120 volts. Now, ohms law says i should be consuming 120/6 OHMS = 20 amps. Now heres the problem, its not consuming 20 amps but only a few milliamps. I've calculated the actual resistance of the primary to be around 1500 to 2000 ohms during operation. Now, This is something you should be thinking about, Think about how to alter the diodes cut in voltage later kines, the conversion want work without it ;) When your all done, it has nothing to do with the resonate freq of water, but how much amp flow you can gain in an resonate circuit.
For example, the video i have posted for you shown 130 volts input at 160 MA. 20 watts. The Amount of power the fuel cell was consuming was about 11.5 volts at 1.20 Amps. That is a Decrease in Wattage BUT wattage is not important. In an LC circuit During resonance Amp Flow is at its peak. Voltage doesn't matter, Voltage doesn't work the coil and capacitor electrons do.
Also, in that same video, The Primary ignition coil i had used for a choke didn't do much of anything. There was really no pulse from the transformer to cause it to , "Convert" you see. In that video it would block or reduce current, but it just for some reason would not convert the voltage due to the diode not alowing a "Pulse." Something there isn't right to allow the conversion to work.
If you understand this post, Then go back to where me and stevie got square waves from our alternators output. Figure out what caused them.
just my thoughts.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 04, 2008, 04:17:17 am
hmm i just read the entire alternator output thread and it is very difficult for me to visually see this is in my mind.....i have never touched an alternator in my life.......i find what you talk about with the ignition coil to be very fascinating.......and from my step charges i have been doing im wondering i could just pulse an ignition coil through my setup into my cell to achieve high voltage step charging......sort of a raw version.......but i will be completely honest you have far more experience and hands on then i do, and i try to grab every concept and learn as much as possible so give me time to try and understand what you say since you speak indirectly and around what your trying to not give away.....i have this cool java applet now from one of the above posts in another forum.....i have made a simple series resonance circuit throug ha transformer without a diode and it produces around 14 KV a second.....but they are not unipolar....or "double pulse frequency".......the minute you add a diode to half wave rectifiy it it just slaughters the resonance.....voltage over the capacitor is reduced to a mere transformer output stepup of around 20-30 volts.....i am trying to learn this in a sequential order........i can't jsut jump into patent schematics without understanding each and every part of the process......
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 04, 2008, 05:25:31 am
poo
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 04, 2008, 06:33:32 am
i have looked at stevies step charging thread......but when i say mine is eactly like the patent i mean exactly like the patent images....the round tops on the pulses the pulses in the background with the analog voltage across the plates line in the middle.......but i am not using the blocking diode with the inductor to form my second pulse....it just doesn't work that way for me with a diode......i have recently made a resonance circuit but in the state it's in it won't step charge a capacitor......the votlage across the capacitor will be in the kilovolts....but no step charge due to no unipolar double frequency pulse.....this is what i need to accomplish in a resonance circuit.......
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 04, 2008, 07:26:28 am
then replace the diode with a circuit thats very hard to build. yuck.
These are all know facts.
The auto coils primary only is a voltage converter. It takes 12 volts and steps it up to 300 volts.
An Transformer Makes Sine waves. Diodes do not cut on and off with sine waves. So if you hook a auto choke in this vic then there will be no kickback, emf. Sad is it.
The Fuel cell is a Condenser, if it was not a condenser then the cores would never charge in the chokes be cause no current would flow within the circuit, its clearly a condenser that is a poor capacitor. It condenses, into hydroxy.
120v trafo consuming 160 MA 20w will create 11.5 volts 1.2 amps to your single cell with no chokes period. But you must use "2 diodes to full wave rectify." I know you can full bridge it like the basic but then your not understanding this circuit if you do that. Think of it as a double vic.
LC circuits resonate, AMPS. During resonance there will be an maximum amp flow and it is triggered by only milliamps at the transformers input. Kickback chokes will just add to the current flowing "if you can get them to work."
When the chokes do work properly, then your fuel cell will be a perfect "Condenser" and will condense into hydroxy During the Pulse Off Time. I'm not hiding anything, each day we get closer and closer. Things come to me when they want, i do not ask for them most of the time. I was busy working on my spark plug circuit when i read a telsa paragraph that made me understand how valuable the kickback is. We now know its there. Stans circuit gives a great way of understanding but the diodes doors needs oiling. I feel for the one that wants to oil them doors just to seek kickback, or a double sided pulse. But with a diode and nothing else you can forget it, not gonna happen.
It happened with the alternator, wish i could have got it on scope cause it was perfect square waves. Must have something to do with the rotor hooked in parallel with the fuel cell and regulated down by the fet. Something happened. Look into the cut in and out voltages of them alternator diodes and see if that helps because something about it is diff. We should not have been getting square waves.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 05, 2008, 04:21:26 am
so while messing around with this resonant circuit i thought why not add a switch in parallel with the diode...........so first you allow the resonance to take the voltage up to say 14 kv in around 1 second depending on the electronic components then activate the switch in fron of the diode......thus creating a unipolar pulse...and holding the 14 kv in the cell at a constant rate.......now if we put another diode in parallel with a switch on the bottom of the vic circuit we can alternate the switches so in a sense the capcitor can discharge and we can have a manual gating occuring......so far this works in the circuit program.....we would just need a simple circuit to control the switches to activate the diodes for when they need to be on and off......thus giviing us a step cahrging effect of high voltage at resonance.......the 2 things that don't want to go together.....resonance and diodes.....and since it's in resonance there is virtually no current at all....mathematically there is zero......i am getting my inductance meter soon and i will give this a try.......
RECAP.....resoannce works but not when there is a diode......step charging wont occur without a diode......so lets get resonance to a high voltage then switch on the diode holding the voltage at that level inside the capacitor till it diffuses itself throught the water.....then switch diode off and the other on reversing itself discahrging its hold.....and just do this back and forth between the diodes.....and when ever voltage needs to be stepped up to high rates again it can be done......it sounds liek a tricky process but it may work......i want to try it manually first and see if the step charging hold on resonance works.....cuase in a perfect circuit it seems to work.....but i need to see how it reacts in real scenarios....when i saw the term switching diode i thought hey waht if we actually switch the diode on and off......and bang.
switch is closed at first......turn the system on voltage soars to component maximum....theoretically let's say 2 kilovolt..... then the switch is activated turning the diode on.....(switching diode as stan calls it (i'm taking this literally)) unipolar double pulse across capacitor between inductor and capacitor.......and gating would be the reversing of the diodes. one open one closed one open one closed. over and over....or maybe even just one diode would be needed since ther capacitor might lose charge over time.....see in this circuit everything is ideal....no resistance has been added to anything yet.....that will come later when i mirror the circuit to my real world version.
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Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 05, 2008, 08:13:20 am
I understand what you are saying kinesisfilms But I think you should time the switching diode to be activated when the capacitor peaks to maximum +ve or maximum -ve.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 05, 2008, 08:34:59 am
oh yeah thats what i thought i said in the above......but thats exactly what im going to do!
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 05, 2008, 15:09:39 pm
kinesisfilms,
I use that same Sim all the time, it is a nice little tool.
One thing people are not taking into account about the VIC and water injectors, is that the water injectors are not physically connected to the VIC. The energy from the VIC is dumped into the water injector via a spark gap switch (the distributor cap/rotor).
Also the VIC has it's own build in HV capacitor (the Bifilar chokes)
I started a new post to talk about this: http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,696.msg6283/topicseen.html#msg6283
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 05, 2008, 17:38:54 pm
I use that same Sim all the time, it is a nice little tool.
One thing people are not taking into account about the VIC and water injectors, is that the water injectors are not physically connected to the VIC. The energy from the VIC is dumped into the water injector via a spark gap switch (the distributor cap/rotor).
Also the VIC has it's own build in HV capacitor (the Bifilar chokes)
I started a new post to talk about this: http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,696.msg6283/topicseen.html#msg6283
i know i've read it...andi find it interesting...i would love to start trying all of these auto ignition setups but i am focusing on this for now......i have hooked up a flyback to my bifilar and been shocked around 5 times after unplugging it......it definately holds a charge but i noticed it only does at high voltages......i am still going to try this diode switching since resonance will do almost all of the work as the inductors and capacitors exchange current for voltage.....creating a massive 14+ kv.....in a second or less.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 07, 2008, 04:40:53 am
Kines.
I see that you have given much interest in what you do.
I will send out help, and i will direct it toward you so you will succeed. Please be patient as your helper is struggling to reach you. 1 to 12 months you will wait patiently and i will denie this post until then.
Doors will be unlocked Thu Oct 18, 2007 3:29 pm, doors will be closed Thu Nov 06, 2008 5:45 pm - Then the truth will be set free " "
Then it is he that recognizes and be fully aware of why.
The best is yet to come, and has already came and gone :-X
I will then have my grin. :D 11/06/08
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 09, 2008, 10:54:06 am
Kines, you now know something. :-X
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 09, 2008, 11:38:37 am
what's going on in this thread? :D
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 11, 2008, 06:09:58 am
and another side note...the wire of the choke must be quite tiny......or else capacitance of the choke at the chokes resonant frequency will be low......this has been tested.
I NEED A SPECTRUM ANALYZER NOW.
oh and if there are any terms that confuse you just let me know i have the book that stan got all his terms from......switching diode, unipolar pulse core, pulse transformer.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 16, 2008, 01:01:48 am
Great post, Kinesisfilms!
br steve
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 16, 2008, 01:09:45 am
i must admit , this is some great info .
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 16, 2008, 18:48:58 pm
Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO MAGNETS," patent #512,340 is a very special coil design because, unlike an ordinary coil made by turning wire on a tube form, this one uses two wires laid next to each other on a form but with the end of the first one connected to the beginning of the second one. In this patent Tesla explains that the double coil will store many times the energy of a conventional coil. A bifilar coil is capable of holding more charge than a single wound coil. When operated at resonance, the distributed capacitance of the bifilar coil is able to overcome the counter - electromotive force (e.m.f.) normal to coils, inductive reactance. Because of the electrical activity, a bifilar coil does not work against itself and the potential across the coil quickly builds to a high value. The difference between the turns becomes great enough that the energy is practically all potential, at this point, the system becomes an electrostatic oscillator.
A standard coil of 1000 turns with a potential of 100 volts will have a difference of .1 volt between turns. A similar bifilar coil will have a potential of 50 volts between turns. Stored energy is a function of the square of the voltages the energy. That equates to 502/.12 = 2500/.01 = 250,000 times greater than the standard coil.
and there we have it......1 resonant frequency but 2 things in resoance.......this is of course not the single core setup but the transformer seperate from choke.......with a single core setup there would be multiple resonant frequencies, with each one favoring a certain coil.
ANY ONE KNOW WHERE TO GET A CHEAPCHEAPCHEAP SPECTRUM ANALYZER??
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 16, 2008, 19:42:59 pm
http://www.govliquidation.com/
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 18, 2008, 04:24:39 am
alright well i guess my next investment is a spectrum analyzer......i need a visual reference.....i dont think the same resonant equation applies to a bifilar coil when trying to find the bifilar resonance.....not the vic resonance.......
see the bifilar is a resonant charging choke.....which means at the resonant frequency of the bifilar choke the distributed capacitance is at its perfect point........so now it's not just an inductor but a capacitor.......i then take that frequency which makes the charging choke resonate and figure the water fuel capacitors capacitance.......then we have our working system........but by just basic mathematics there are so many factors......and resonance of the choke being slightly off will not produce a pulse on the off pulse......AND THIS WAS THE PROBLEM THE ENTIRE TIME!!!!
LITERALLY THE WORDS RESONANT CHARGING CHOKE HOLD THE GOD DAMN SECRET TO MAKING THIS SHIT WORK........and since the the bifilar is hooked as tesla states in his patent but with the wfc in between we can now achieve 250,000 times greater distributed capacitance than a normal inductor........with tiny copper wire we can easily achieve the 10kv range............but for the 40kv range as used in the injectors stainless steel wire would be a great thing to have.......but i think that normal stainless steel wire will work seeing that the stated ss wire "which is ideal" is far to hard to come by.......we can make the entire thing out of copper but to achieve 40kv range at .0001 amps we need more resistance........and simply placing a resistor in line will not work........it has to have resistance while creating inductance at the same time.......i'm thinking a trip to an art store to find thin, coated, ss wire will be good enough......
I BELIEVE THIS IS IT EVERYTHING DOES LIE WITHIN THE BIFILAR CHOKE.......
if you have already built a bifilar choke look at teslas patent and the place where he connects A to B is where you place the water capacitor in between.
IF YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE A SPECTRUM ANALYZER AND AN ALREADY MADE BIFILAR COIL FIND THE RESONANCE OF IT WITH THE SPECTRUM ANALYZER (its highest peak) THEN USE THAT FREQUENCY FOR YOUR LRC NETWORK WITH THE CAPACITOR PALCED AS STATED ABOVE........THIS WILL PRODUCE A VERY HIGH VOLTAGE......BUT TO ACHIEVE EVEN HIGHER.....IT WILL TAKE A BETTER STEP UP TRANSFORMER AND RESISTIVE INDUCTIVE WIRE.
THIS IS WHAT SPECTRUM ANALYZERS DOOO!! (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/brannontest44046.jpg)
RESONANCE!! OF ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING!
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 18, 2008, 04:56:58 am
distributed capacitance looks like a pain to calculate ... I dont think i am up for this i guess it will be trial and error.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 18, 2008, 22:07:50 pm
thank you for this but i see that almost everything comes in a "lot".....of more than one object.....and although the prices may be cheap it seems the shipping costs more than the auctioned lot......
i need a spectrum analyzer for i have no way to calculate the resonance of the charging choke......since the capacitance is a changing factor with it's peak point at resonance.....i cannot mathematically calculate a resonant frequency if the capacitance changes with frequency...i need to apply a frequency sweep and visuall find the point with an analyzer.....once this is done my charging choke will be able to properly create that second pulse on the off pulse of the square wave.......then we have ourselves the proper working circuit.
IF THERE IS ANYONE OUT THERE THAT HAS ONE OF THESE I WILL GLADLY RENT IT FROM YOU......JUST SHIP IT INSURED.....I WILL RENT IT FROM YOU SAY ...VIA PAYAPL........THEN SHIP IT BACK INSURED.
i think i will try to go to my university for one or my local surplus store.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 18, 2008, 23:11:02 pm
well, i want a spectrum analyzer too!!!!!!!!!
br Steve
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 19, 2008, 03:08:54 am
Hi,
I am new here on this forum, there are great discussions going on here. If I may add, a scope and sweep function generator may work just as well to find the resonance frequency. Also I suggest to check out SPECTRALAB ;)
Cheers
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 19, 2008, 03:15:29 am
Welcome 2curious , great first post hope to see 100 more .
I agree... what can we possibly tweak other than the freq once a pretty good quality coil is made ?
This tool is too much for me... I'll try what 2curious said.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 19, 2008, 06:15:50 am
When the operating frequency is raised the "distributed capacitance" starts to become significant at a point where L and C form a parallel resonant circuit as in "B".....
this statement about chokes is what i need to accomplish with my charging choke......i have it i just need to find the frequency.....each choke consists of 3 things......resistance R, inductance L, and capacitance C......the choke has it's own resonant frequency.....where the proportion of resistance, inductance, and capcitance is in perfect hartmony....the choke is resonating........with the windings in bifilar form this will also enhance the overall high voltage output......then we just apply this resonance to the wfc and we have our vic......in its early stages it might only be capable of voltages in the 1kv range or less.......but as long as it works as stated in the patent then it works......think about a stun gun......it uses a pulse circuit powered by a 9 volt battery sends it through a tiny transformer and into a capcitor where the electrodes are discharged on a person.......the tiny transformer is created to make voltages in some cases around 1,000,000 volts while holding back almost all amps so the person is severly stunned but not killed.......this concept is exactly what we are shooting for......and a resonant charging choke is capable of producing high voltage levels.....and a bifilar wound choke with a capacitor in between will produce 250,000 times greater than a normal inductor........this is where everything adds up.......
i am getting help on calculating the point "B" from a very intelligent individual from an electronics forum.......they have mention things which i have already come across in my studies.....hopefully they will be able to help me calculate this frequency without the use of a frequency sweep.
stay tuned......this is for the world.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 19, 2008, 22:57:28 pm
so i just got 3 books from the library which have crazy insights and parallels to meyers......i would love to scan each and every page but i would end up scanning the book.....RLC......is a magical group.....when i have time i will post my readings but as for now i am very busy.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 19, 2008, 23:07:47 pm
alright so here is the aaron m replication....he offers all the right insight to connecting the bifilar coil......http://www.zshare.net/download/51610279d361f24a/ (http://www.zshare.net/download/51610279d361f24a/)...he also shows what i meant by naudins 1243 connection, which is the same as neogen, kevin wests, teslas, and meyers.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 19, 2008, 23:28:36 pm
everything Meyers is not wound like neogen
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 19, 2008, 23:43:54 pm
yes it is.......there is only 1 and only ONE diagram where it is not wound like teslas, neogens, naudins, wests, and aaron m's..........and that one might be a mistake if anything......for there are over 10 showing the connection to be exactly like neogens........if you watch the new zealand lecture you will see he even says the forces have to be opposing each other in the inductors...to create a inductive resistance.........and then the inductor will work 250,000 greater then a normal inductor......i have done the tests........you will find out when you get an oscope.......
WOULD YOU HAVE A LOOK AT THIS EVERYONE ONE OF THESE PEOPLE CONNECT THERE BIFILAR THE SAME WAY......BUT YOU DANKIE SAY IT'S NOT THE SAME......DO YOU SEE IT NOW.....VISUALLY?......ONLY 1 SCHEMATIC SHOWS DIFFERENT IN THE ENTIRE TECH BRIEF......AND IT IS MOST LIKELY A QUICK "TYPO"
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 19, 2008, 23:49:19 pm
Well im not too worried about this , as you said before its just a matter of connecting the other way it takes 2 seconds...
The bifilar in the international evaluation report is wound with opposed fields North south , North south
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 20, 2008, 00:00:14 am
one last thing!!!!! you find the resonating frequency of the choke...........then that frequency is factored into the RESONANCE OF THE LC CIRCUIT......THE BIFILAR CHOKE (L) AND THE WATER CAPACITOR (C)......NOW THE DIODE MAKES THIS NOT A RESONANT ACTION!!!! BUT I FINALLY UNDERSTAND WHY IT IS RESONATING!!!! GATTTTTTTIIINNNNNGGGGG.......FORCES THE CAPACITOR TO DISCHARGE RIGHT WHEN IT IS FULL......WHERE IN RESONANCE WITHOUT A DIODE IT WOULD NATURALLY DISCHARGE........WHEN THE CAPCITOR IS GATED OFF AND DISCHARGES THIS IS A MANUAL RESONANCE..........THIS CIRCUIT ACTUALY FUCKING WORKS!!!!!!! THE WAY IT IS DESCRIBED!!!! everything makes sense now!!!!! seriously go to a library and start from the beginning it makes everything understandable!!!!! meyers doesn't explain how it works but just tells you in a simple way what he did.......understand what he did!!!!! it makes this easy!!!! i am almost there.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 20, 2008, 21:10:05 pm
kinesisfilms,
great success story, congrats. Would you mind sharing, what the resonant frequency for your choke coil is ? kHz, Mhz ? And what your gating frequency is ? Hz, kHz, MHz ?
Is it audible on the tubes as well ?
Cheers
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 21, 2008, 05:12:39 am
Kinesis it looks like you hit a sweet spot !
You are indeed getting close.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 21, 2008, 10:15:14 am
Hi Kenisis,
You doing great!. I can confirm that i had my bifcoil connected the same way as Aarons and Ravi. That gave me the step-up charging wave.
br Steve
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 21, 2008, 12:33:32 pm
which gating are you talking about kiness :
programmabe variable gated pulse - voltage frequency T3 or programmabe variable gated pulse frequency input T1, T2 ?
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 21, 2008, 14:01:17 pm
well what's so new about the forced resonance in a series rlc circuit? ???
great success story, congrats. Would you mind sharing, what the resonant frequency for your choke coil is ? kHz, Mhz ? And what your gating frequency is ? Hz, kHz, MHz ?
L is the inductivity as exact as possible, C the capacitance of your fuel cells. Remember summing up the capacitances for each tube when connected parallel.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 21, 2008, 19:46:32 pm
OK FIRST OFF there are different forms of resonance......let's say natural and artificial......and AC and DC........
let's explain that since there is a diode in this circuit then yuo can never have NATURAL RESONANCE.....so it has to be artificial and manually forced to happen which is achieved with gating.....
so let's ask ourselves what happens in natural resonance when the inductor is full.....well at resoanant frequency when hte inductor is full it discharges into the capcitor until the capacitor is full which then the capacitor discharges into the inductor back and forth over and over like a pendulum.
So to achieve this with gating we must gate the pulsed frequency right when the capacitor achieves it's full charge....so then the inductor can begin to step charge the process all over again......and right when our 50% duty cycle pulse passes the diode it becomes half wave rectified never passing the 0 volt level......AKA DC........so we have DC RESONANCE.
NOW THAT WE HAVE THE SECOND HALF OUR RESONANT FREQUENCY WE MUST DETERMINE THE FIRST HALF.
THE KEY IMPORTANT FACTOR HERE IS NOT THE GATING BETWEEN THE CAPACITOR AND THE INDUCTOR SINCE ANYONE WITH AN OSCOPE CAN EASILY ACHIEVE THIS VISUALLY.
THE KEY HERE IS THE OPTIMUM FREQUENCY OF YOUR BIFILAR CHOKE.
this is the true resonant frequency......the frequency your bifilar choke resonates at.......
first you need to take your bifilar choke connected as aaron m connects it where it says 192% (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/wf_meyer_aaron_forum_coils1.jpg)
THIS MAKES IT'S DISTRIBUTED CAPACITANCE THE MAXIMUM IT CAN BE AS IN TESLAS PATENT.
this is a key factor here......sending in a frequency under resonance and your bifilar choke will not have a capacitance and no second pulse on the off pulse........using a frequency above resonance.....capacitance will overtake induction defeating the gating resonance......so how do you find the optimum frequency of your bifilar choke???
i have no idea how to do it mathematically but....if you have a spectrum analyzer....hook your probe to only one side of the bifilar......the one after the diode in the schematic.....do a frequency sweep of 50% duty cycle (can't be done with a lawton circuit)....until you haveyour peak point.......this is the frequency you will be pumping into your vic.....you then take that frequency apply it to your system and then gate the frequency getting your VIC resonant frequency.
as for a transformer.....you can use a simple audio line matching transformer used in reversed.....if you apply 12 volts at a 50% duty cycle it will be 6 volts ac......this goes into the transformer and is stepped up to around 30-40 volts......
in the new zealand video stan says "see the beautiful thing of it is is since your using audio frequencies you can use an audio transformer).......
what does all the work in this system is the stepup transformer and the bifilar charging choke........
if you break each part down, and learn each part, you can understand the whole.
i am getting a spectrum analyzer......there will be photos and videos when i have the patent fully replicated.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 21, 2008, 19:59:00 pm
i can't stress enough the importance of find the optimum frequency to make your choke a resonant charging choke.......THIS IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT.....probablly the most overlooked part since the average person has no way of figuring this out.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 22, 2008, 10:03:39 am
he wasn't banned fool....so stop the chanting.....if you have obviously not read through the forum......
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 22, 2008, 10:26:09 am
please tell me the story of why he was "banned" i can't remember stevie ever doing such a thing......he was never banned......stevie never banned h2opower......h2opower banned himself most likely becuase of a certain someone always being a dick on the forums. (rhymes with stankie)
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 25, 2008, 17:06:31 pm
Hi Kenisis,
Have you see this video of Sirhoax? It shows the resonance you are looking for:
br Steve
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 29, 2008, 19:46:05 pm
PLEASE TRY THIS... STOP putting square waves into the step up transformer! Notice that the dune buggy had a dc motor turning an alternator off a regular 12 v car battery. The energy used to start producing hydroxy would be replaced by the regular alternator and stock charging system once the buggy was fired up. NOW: realize that the modified alternator had no voltage regulator, the PWM square waves were used to CONTROL the output of the 3 phase AC stator windings, effectivly controlling output of vic circuit. SO putting a 3 phase rectified waveform into the step up transformer, the bifilar chokes and the blocking diode will work BECAUS the transformer must have a changing flux line to function correctly, only 1/2 wave 3 phase power will cause the step charging effecy because this wave more closely resembles the curved pulses shown in all of his documentation. the step waveforms are NOT SQUARE ! a squarewave WILL NOT work fron primary to secondary. I am using an alternator with the voltage regulator bypassed (12 volts square wave to the brushes) and i have removed the diodes completely, leaving this delco unit with 3 stator wires for my A-B-C phases output with the alternator case as neutral. Then i have wound a 2 1/2 " torroidal core transformer with 16GA magnet wire, 3 primary coils equally spaced around the diameter (like a peace sign) 10 turns each. cover the whole thing with teflon pipe sealant tape (good for high voltage insulation) and then wrap the single, 100 turn secondary around the whole thing. I end up with a 1 to 10 step up ratio. NOW: with the alternator running at 3000 - 4000 rpm, there should be 125 volts AC 3 Phase output, transformed to 1250 VAC single phase with a ripple waveform, Put this through the bifilar chokes with the diode on one leg.... I hope this is REALLY what HE was doing. Please note: the STan MEyer drawing is a CONCEPTUAL DRAWING, not a schematic. the circuit describes what is happening, but dont assume he was putting a square wave in as a primary source !!!
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 29, 2008, 20:06:16 pm
Very nice mr Alien!
have you done some testing with this?
br steve
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 29, 2008, 20:12:02 pm
You dont know what you are talking about... Coils and capacitors are derivative function... The faster the voltage peak or voltage drop the bigger spike....
Square waves makes 100% sense ... dont spread this noobiness here it has nothing do to with the input signal...
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 02, 2008, 20:49:16 pm
Have you see this video of Sirhoax? It shows the resonance you are looking for:
br Steve
sorry stevie this is no where near what i'm looking for.
as a side note INDUCTIVE REACTANCE MUST BE LARGER THAN CAPACITIVE REACTANCE (Xl > Xc).......SIMPLE AS THAT....the equations listed in the beginning of the tech brief are the heart to building the vic.
first off the Z series equation is backwards......Xl comes before Xc......i encourage you to read teh book electric circuits and machines 5th edition by Eugene C. Lister
this is why stan states Impedance must be larger than Capacitance.....which had alot of us saying (you can't compare henries to farads!)....but its the reactance of impedance must be larger than the reactance of capacitance .
i always hated when people would start using complex terms and throwing around equations and saying reatance, impedance, and inductance all in one sentence......but take the time to learn these concepts and it will greatly benefit you......i am buying a spectrum analyzer soon.....i feel my ferrite core in my bifilar has a frequency outside what i have been tampering with.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 02, 2008, 22:44:57 pm
Quote
as a side note INDUCTIVE REACTANCE MUST BE LARGER THAN CAPACITIVE REACTANCE (Xl > Xc).......SIMPLE AS THAT....the equations listed in the beginning of the tech brief are the heart to building the vic.
why? According to the tech brief Xc should be larger than Xl to make Z positive (even if i do not understand why there is a - instead of a +).
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 03, 2008, 01:09:26 am
no see i said that the equation is backwards it's Xl-Xc.....look at any Z series equation....it is a typo in the tech brief......then the equation will make sense with what stanley said....look up Z series impedance.....grab the book i recommened from a library....all the answers are there.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 05, 2008, 00:24:10 am
im ordering the spectrum analyzer.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 05, 2008, 12:21:01 pm
no see i said that the equation is backwards it's Xl-Xc.....look at any Z series equation....it is a typo in the tech brief......then the equation will make sense with what stanley said....look up Z series impedance.....grab the book i recommened from a library....all the answers are there.
no need for that as i'm studying electrical engineering and we're doing this stuff very detailed. but thanks.
i was just wondering if stan made a mistake in calculating or it was just a typo, it seems that i did not read your first post correct ;) sorry
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 19, 2009, 20:31:16 pm
so finally.......1,204 dollars later i have purchased a spectrum analyzer......stay tuned.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 19, 2009, 22:08:58 pm
I got myself a sweep generator and scope for half that price , but it seems like a spectrum analyser is good for "tuning the tubes" or something like that ...
I think I saw one , tektronix ? Kinda new ? around those prices ...
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 19, 2009, 22:19:40 pm
I got myself a sweep generator and scope for half that price , but it seems like a spectrum analyser is good for "tuning the tubes" or something like that ...
I think I saw one , tektronix ? Kinda new ? around those prices ...
haha a scope.....cannot determine what im trying to do.....i have a scope and a frequency generator that can sweep also.....you'll see how far that will get you.....you will literally be shooting in the dark, with a bunch of mathematical calculations for a coil you have created yourself.
without a spectrum analyzer almost everyone is walking blind.
learn the difference between an oscilloscope and an analyzer.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 21, 2009, 01:55:47 am
So what is it that you will be looking for Kinesis ?
Resonant frequency of a component ? If that is the case you can see it with the scope like 2curious said , but thats just electrical resonance .
I saw somebody use that to find the "resonance of the tube" , is this what you are after Kinesis?
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 21, 2009, 20:15:25 pm
i don't have to explain anything.
if you don't understand then you are at fault for not clearly educating yourself....I AM NOT IN SEARCH OF MUSICAL NOTES.
there are leaders and followers and false leaders.
you are option C.
stay out of my research you turn clear water into brackish.
everything that is needed to replicate the concepts has been posted in this topic.
i will come out with a simple standard format for everyone to replicate with the mathematics pre-determined for everyone.
but a spectrum analyzer is a MUST.....the sumberged tubes are a pain in the * to witness this pure perfection.......i will move onto injectors once i develope a higher output core....but the concept and proof of theory is working.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 21, 2009, 21:15:23 pm
if you don't understand then you are at fault for not clearly educating yourself....I AM NOT IN SEARCH OF MUSICAL NOTES.
there are leaders and followers and false leaders.
you are option C.
stay out of my research you turn clear water into brackish.
everything that is needed to replicate the concepts has been posted in this topic.
i will come out with a simple standard format for everyone to replicate with the mathematics pre-determined for everyone.
but a spectrum analyzer is a MUST.....the sumberged tubes are a pain in the * to witness this pure perfection.......i will move onto injectors once i develope a higher output core....but the concept and proof of theory is working.
You right , this thread is very good . I will no longer post in this thread . You are probably the only one I know with such an exotic instrument , I hope it will be worth the price .
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 31, 2009, 01:40:02 am
tektronix 496
now i have to get banana to bnc male and bnc female to banana and an type n rf to bnc male.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 31, 2009, 01:56:39 am
now i have to get banana to bnc male and bnc female to banana and an type n rf to bnc male.
Since you have a nice tool I'll offer you some cheap wire , I wont donate it tho like I offered you . too late now , should of taken it when I offered
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 31, 2009, 23:36:40 pm
in time.
when i move into my final stages i will gladly pay you for you hard work in aquiring this wire......but there is a surplus store near me that has a variety of resistive wires close to or around that of stainless steel that is already coated.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 08, 2009, 11:42:37 am
everything that is needed to replicate the concepts has been posted in this topic.
i will come out with a simple standard format for everyone to replicate with the mathematics pre-determined for everyone.
but a spectrum analyzer is a MUST.....the sumberged tubes are a pain in the * to witness this pure perfection.......i will move onto injectors once i develope a higher output core....but the concept and proof of theory is working.
Kinesisfilms
Any new feedback on your progress?
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 08, 2009, 21:50:21 pm
well with the money i just received from selling my studio lights and some lenses i had to pay off a medical bill since american health insurance only covers a good 3/4's of it.......so my updates are my life......as of now i am selling my photography darkroom.....then i will have enough money for a steel core and the cables with adapters that i need.
i happened to find a medical toroid with an aluminum type core in an abandonded building in a machine......i quickly stripped it and kept it......i might be able to use the core from that.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 11, 2009, 04:18:50 am
here is the math to achieve 40,000 volts with steel wire and with copper.......just incase none of you have ever done this......this might clear up some confusions with the tech brief.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 13, 2009, 04:05:03 am
i am going to the surplus store tomorrow to purchase some resistive wire....anything to increase my voltage......im looking for around1kv to 2kv.
i have replicated meyers concept to a T and have the math to prove it......but the voltage numbers are a weak sickly sight......but you do need a minimum of 13 volts to split water....
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 13, 2009, 05:48:09 am
this matches what stan said about 90ohm per cm for stainless steel.....there are plenty of other resistive wires.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 13, 2009, 17:05:22 pm
kinesisfilms, sorry but i will have to disagree with 90ohm a centimeter... carpenters specs for 430fr for electric resitivity is 460ohm cri-mil / ft 1millimeter = .03937 inch ........ .004 will go into 1 milli 9.825 times ... knowing that we must divide difference... 460 / 9.825= 46.819. so now we know for fact 430 fr spec staight from carpenters specs.. 46.819 for 38 awg a foot.. 1 foot = 30.48 cm sooo.. 46.819 / 30.48= 1.536ohms a centimeter.. dankie has brought to my attentiona good website / program for specs on modernday resistive wires.. they average from 2ohms- 50ohms in resistance in 38awg range..
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 13, 2009, 21:11:34 pm
ughhh it seems that surplus stores have everything you dont need....first off none of the wires are coated. FAIL......second the highest resistance they had was 50 ohm per foot of 36 gauge wire (type unknown)....FAIL......second off the closest to usable they had was i think a nickel chromium resistive wire with .9 ohms per ft with i think a 20-ish gauge....but overall FAIL.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 14, 2009, 01:23:58 am
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 22, 2009, 07:19:52 am
alright so i have this book called High-votlage engineering by M. Khalifa
there is too much to say right now.....i will scan the pages and post them tomorrow.....the parallels to meyer are amazing...it seems stanley had the most syncronized "catastrophic surge".....it's something that happens in transmission lines that is considered to be a nuisance to electrical companies........
i will leave you with these words for now.
ISOLATED ELECTRICAL GROUND SWITCHING OVERVOLTAGES ENERGIZATION OF AN UNLOADED TRANSMISSION LINE LOAD REJECTION
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 22, 2009, 16:45:02 pm
see if it mentions ferroresonance anywhere...
outlawstc
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 23, 2009, 04:06:02 am
NOTICE HOW THE LOAD REJECTION MATCHES STANLEY MEYERS eq 6 and 7
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 24, 2009, 00:36:11 am
From the book "Twenty-Fifth International Power Modulator Symposium and 2002 High-Voltage Workshop" (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/IEECOVER.jpg)
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 24, 2009, 01:42:45 am
Hi Kinesis,
I am flabergasted......Wow. That last book is like its written by Stan. A nanosecond puls generator! Tested with destilled water. No resonance charging chokes at all. Very good find!
br Steve
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 25, 2009, 07:01:32 am
and this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JG2ohH7N3yg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JG2ohH7N3yg)
microwave parts to seperate water. heavy power usage. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAto1zKLhUs&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAto1zKLhUs&feature=related)
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 26, 2009, 06:36:46 am
got to use a friends digital camera......i only shoot film.
here is an old electrolyzer i have made.....along with a box of ss tubes and a ton of plastic shit.....bought everything i needed to make a 9 tube cell.....and then found out that i don't need any of that......so it just stays that way. (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/Picture-003.jpg)
here is a lpm measurer i bought from a user on this forum at one point to support their idea......in the digikey box is a circuit i put together that senses when the water is empty in a fuel cell and signals the pump to pump until it reaches a certain level then stops pumping.....and it does some other nify things.....also in the box is one of those things that tricks your car into leaning fuel out by sending votlage pulses to the O2 sensor......i followed the instructions from the guy on youtube.....first circuit i ever made from scratch.....had to draw the circuit with a sharpie and soak it in acid......and the best thing is it actually came out damn good and can lean my car out to almost stalling.....but not quite. (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/Picture-002.jpg)
these are some of my tools and for some reason this looks really clean.....usually there is shit all over the place.....you can see the horrible copper vic bifilar inductor lying dead on the floor......my 3kv transformer killed it. (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/Picture-001.jpg)
now that i can use my friends camera i will be posting photos of things happening......i also have my own panasonic dvx 100a video camera.....so i can film oscope shots too......but my cables are coming in for the spectrum analyzer.....i don't think there is anything else i would need after this......i pretty much have an entire lab....i just need to sell that giant box to the left.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 27, 2009, 00:36:44 am
kinesisfilms That video hdemartin, I emailed him cause I was wondering , since the negative choke had that effect, when connected like it should, and had no production. So I thought perhaps 1. it was neutralizing in coming radiant energy. 2. it was charging his cell with positive than negative. or 3. nether, something else is happening In Bob Boyce video 02-2009, he said back when first started, his cell running off his alternator would get more efficient at higher rpm's, so he took the alternator apart and the rectifier was messed up, but still working, and a oscilloscope revealed it was causing a spike on the positive side , so then developed electronics to replicate the wave form that he saw. Hdemartin never responded so it still has me thinking if this is an avenue worth checking out...
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 27, 2009, 00:44:47 am
The first few weeks hdemartin posted this vid , it was not workin , that video always had problems ... Viewable by some , somtimes not viewable at all ... Untill ppl started to host it on torrent and a new working link was given ...
Since then no more problems with the video on youtube ... It was strange , because noother video that I remember ever did this ...
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 27, 2009, 01:03:20 am
i think (just thinking not saying it is becuase i have really no idea) by leaving the floating end hanging it is acting as the isolated ground (but open to the air)......there for allowing the amp inhibiting effect and an electric field to be stored inside the water capacitor with out leakage....i will try to contact him.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 27, 2009, 05:38:47 am
I noticed that to, had me wondering if he accidentally stumbled on to something, especially since he didn't understand either, and someone out there didn't want anybody replicating and checking into the results, but it's just speculation on my part, cause it could have been a utube problem..
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 27, 2009, 06:42:37 am
The first few weeks hdemartin posted this vid , it was not workin , that video always had problems ... Viewable by some , somtimes not viewable at all ... Untill ppl started to host it on torrent and a new working link was given ...
Since then no more problems with the video on youtube ... It was strange , because noother video that I remember ever did this ...
Come to think of it , me and hdemartin have come to the same conclusion , when I found his posts I pmed you them Kinesis , remember ?
Hdemartin was a smart guy , smarter than me ... Somebody plz try to contact him .
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 27, 2009, 08:17:44 am
i'm sorry dankie but i do not remember but i i will try and contact him.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 27, 2009, 11:18:27 am
Here is Hdemartins video.
br Steve
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 27, 2009, 19:51:52 pm
Which end of the second choke gives a higher bubblerate? Left or right, from whiteboard perspective?
looking at figure 7-1 and the dot orientation you would have to leave the right end of tuned resonant charging choke unconnected to get the same results martin did.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 24, 2009, 01:04:34 am
oh man......so i just want to say that there may be something much larger going on here then we at first realized.......just as stephen meyer stated that even after stan died he was still trying to figure out why their water fuel cell worked the way it did........as tom bearden has stated 6 minutes in of part 1 of tom talks tesla (http://www.livevideo.com/video/Drachnid/9DDE31A0A1B54ABDA50E1251F691D2B2/tom-talks-tesla-1-2.aspx)......i would like to go on record saying that something else is happening at "high voltage" low current.......it might be more than high voltage......something we don't quite understand......and when you create a "standing wave" of this potential difference between these tubes....A HUGE AMOUNT OF ENERGY is created........this may be why everyone who has tried high voltage low amperage has failed......becuase stan's process is a typical overunity circuit which induces a unique field......
It makes me question my results as to the reasoning i have not gotten huge amounts of voltage from my setup......it seems the design of this "vic" coil is where everything lays dormant......there is something unique.....there is a reason for everything that stan created in that coil and why he changed from a variable inductor to a non variable inductor.........so holy shit.....i think the reasons are for everyone's failures is that we have all took his concept and tried to create things that run in that concept.........it is now down to a "don't ask questions just follow what he wrote word for word and learn how it works later".........
i despise this feeling.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 24, 2009, 01:17:06 am
Its an honor to me that you now start seeing things my way ... Stubborn kinesis ....
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 24, 2009, 01:20:11 am
hahahaha there is something going on here.....all overunity devices have something very important in common......it seems stanley's device is something of a mystery also....there is a reason why this hasn't been easily and fully replicated yet.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 24, 2009, 01:45:03 am
@ 17 minutes remaining to the end , he says interresting things about phase conjugation , and phsae conjugate pumping .
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 24, 2009, 02:27:41 am
both these wave forms are 93 hertz considering the time frame is one second from begining to end.. this wave is the output wave of 3 phase sync pulsing circuit. the pictures show the difference in amplification. notice how the dynamic voltage interacts more at higher amplitude.. what i mean by that is your peaks incline quicker and go higher at converging point Q
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he says interresting things about phase conjugation , and phsae conjugate pumping .
converging point Q is the point at which the next phase is on its approach to peak and produces the next peak pulse. you can see in my pic i labeled the phase conjugation that the three phase alternator can do.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 24, 2009, 03:17:23 am
i dont know if you can call it hertz.. but it is 93 peak ripple pulses.. having new 0 converging point Q? each phase hit 31 times in the one second 120 out from each other. when i say new zero i mean for instance +400 -400=0 so it would be your static? then your peaks are the dynamic variable acting like pumping action?. just some thought idk??
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 24, 2009, 04:12:41 am
oh man......so i just want to say that there may be something much larger going on here then we at first realized.......just as stephen meyer stated that even after stan died he was still trying to figure out why their water fuel cell worked the way it did........as tom bearden has stated 6 minutes in of part 1 of tom talks tesla (http://www.livevideo.com/video/Drachnid/9DDE31A0A1B54ABDA50E1251F691D2B2/tom-talks-tesla-1-2.aspx)......i would like to go on record saying that something else is happening at "high voltage" low current.......it might be more than high voltage......something we don't quite understand......and when you create a "standing wave" of this potential difference between these tubes....A HUGE AMOUNT OF ENERGY is created........this may be why everyone who has tried high voltage low amperage has failed......becuase stan's process is a typical overunity circuit which induces a unique field......
It makes me question my results as to the reasoning i have not gotten huge amounts of voltage from my setup......it seems the design of this "vic" coil is where everything lays dormant......there is something unique.....there is a reason for everything that stan created in that coil and why he changed from a variable inductor to a non variable inductor.........so holy shit.....i think the reasons are for everyone's failures is that we have all took his concept and tried to create things that run in that concept.........it is now down to a "don't ask questions just follow what he wrote word for word and learn how it works later".........
i despise this feeling.
I have to especially agree with this .
Obviously it could lead you to the way you tought it worked , based on what you saw , since you interpreted this by what you already knew ... IE , high-voltage... capacitor breakdown ...
In reality ,the components are quite similar *physically* to your original interpretation of what it was . But the way it works goes totally opposite to what you originally perceived , so you are ignoring certian things and not narrowing down the possibilities correctly .
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 24, 2009, 04:46:56 am
well bifilar and the resistance to current via magnetic field and the isolation of the vic from the primary source are A MUST.......as bearden stated when i first watched the video it said 6 minutes......now when i rewatch to find what he said is at 9:39 to 7:28 (from the end)......splitting the normal current dq/dt into 2 components displacement current dphi/dt and mass slippage of electrons down the wire.....uses a barrier (semi conductor) to stop the mass flow (work flow rate of energy being lost) invented by bill fogal......then goes on to talk about a primary and secondary and sotring energy in the magnetic field....maybe the ss wire acts as bill fogal's semiconductor..
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 24, 2009, 05:07:07 am
well bifilar and the resistance to current via magnetic field and the isolation of the vic from the primary source are A MUST.......as bearden stated when i first watched the video it said 6 minutes......now when i rewatch to find what he said is at 9:39 to 7:28 (from the end)......splitting the normal current dq/dt into 2 components displacement current dphi/dt and mass slippage of electrons down the wire.....uses a barrier (semi conductor) to stop the mass flow (work flow rate of energy being lost) invented by bill fogal......then goes on to talk about a primary and secondary and sotring energy in the magnetic field....maybe the ss wire acts as bill fogal's semiconductor..
After the bold title , MASSLESS DISPLACEMENT CURRENT , things get interresting , very very interresting .
Seems to me like we must *deliberatly* introduce massless displacement current to get *displacement current*
Remember that once a capacitor discharges is is acting as its own source again , the is no bifilar cancelling effect if the capacitor is its own source .
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 24, 2009, 05:40:22 am
very interesting.......i am awaiting johnbosticks results.......everything is slowly coming full circle......but i need to understand this more......it's an entirely different form of thinking.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 24, 2009, 13:49:07 pm
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MASSLESS DISPLACEMENT CURRENT , things get interresting , very very interresting
its not displacement of current.. but displacement of electrons.. the intial draw when stan turns it on is the intial current of displacement of electrons to the negative side. once the difference is made the cureent drops to the milliamp to maintain displacement.
now
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splitting the normal current dq/dt into 2 components displacement current dphi/dt and mass slippage of electrons down the wire.....uses a barrier (semi conductor) to stop the mass flow (work flow rate of energy being lost) invented by bill fogal
boy oh boy am i happy that stephen meyer has done some radio shows... he elxplains how the silicon content in stainless and its resistive qulaity make it act like a big transistor???? silicon is used in diodes as a semi conductor? when stephen was decribing it he was saying the process for making stainless is cold rolled..,he mentions a triangular formation of some sorts in the material.
how are you going to have current if both sides peak equaly and drop equaly on same inductice core. your not.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 24, 2009, 15:44:31 pm
So what is happening to the current phase on both sides , plz tell me .
We know the voltage phase is equal in magnitude and in time , both cancel eachother .
But what about the current phase ?
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 26, 2009, 20:09:12 pm
hell yeah.....i finally recieved a good signal generator.........Protek Sweep Function Generator G305.....and it has gating.....the guy thought it was broken and had no way of testing it...but i asked him a few questions......and took the chance......wow everything is perfect......this machine is a beaut......so now i have 2 signal generators......all i need now is a signal power amplifier to replace my pwm as my driving source.....then i can connect my signal generator directly to a power amplifier and connect this to the vic coil.....then once a resonant frequency is found i can reuse my pwm in palce of it since i rather not carrying around a signal generator in my trunk.
sooooo hyped.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 26, 2009, 20:12:49 pm
hell yeah.....i finally recieved a good signal generator.........Protek Sweep Function Generator G305.....and it has gating.....the guy thought it was broken and had no way of testing it...but i asked him a few questions......and took the chance......wow everything is perfect......this machine is a beaut......so now i have 2 signal generators......all i need now is a signal power amplifier to replace my pwm as my driving source.....then i can connect my signal generator directly to a power amplifier and connect this to the vic coil.....then once a resonant frequency is found i can reuse my pwm in palce of it since i rather not carrying around a signal generator in my trunk.
sooooo hyped.
Why dont you just connect it to a good transistor and a good old battery
I like my Jolt circuit more than my crappy quakko .
Thx Jolt , thee only complaint I have is that there some partial pulses but I guess thats not an issue with the scope .
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 26, 2009, 20:21:25 pm
becuase if we are to push 40 watts through a vic coil....then 40 watts of energy has to be pulled through our signal generating system....a signal generator is only a reference signal.......a pulse width modulator is not only the generator but can handle 40 watts going through it......you connect your pwm up to a battery and the coil to the pwm......when the coil says i need 3.3 amps then the 3.3 amps are pulled from the battery and through the pwm as it pulses it.......a signal generator is different.
this is why i would just put an amplifier in front of the signal generator......so we connect our signal generator to it's standard ac source (inverter connected to a battery) then drive that signal into an amplifier which sucks power from a battery source.....so the amperage is sucked from the battery directly to the amplifier leaving the reference signal in a safe region.....if you try to pull 40 watts through a signal generator it will gladly blow the fuse..........and another good thing is since we can control the amplitude of the waveform with the signal generator we can also directly control output production.....it is also controlable through frequency (more pulse hits) and gating.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 26, 2009, 20:24:01 pm
becuase if we are to push 40 watts through a vic coil....then 40 watts of energy has to be pulled through our signal generating system....a signal generator is only a reference signal.......a pulse width modulator is not only the generator but can handle 40 watts going through it......you connect your pwm up to a battery and the coil to the pwm......when the coil says i need 3.3 amps then the 3.3 amps are pulled from the battery and through the pwm as it pulses it.......a signal generator is different.
this is why i would just put an amplifier in front of the signal generator......so we connect our signal generator to it's standard ac source (inverter connected to a battery) then drive that signal into an amplifier which sucks power from a battery source.....so the amperage is sucked from the battery directly to the amplifier leaving the reference signal in a safe region.....if you try to pull 40 watts through a signal generator it will gladly blow the fuse..........and another good thing is since we can control the amplitude of the waveform with the signal generator we can also directly control output production.....it is also controlable through frequency (more pulse hits) and gating.
A signal Generator can activate a transistor .
When signal generator = on time , transistor = on time .
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 26, 2009, 21:20:55 pm
yes but for the beginning stages of development (beginning meaning i am using just a single 3 inch vic tube and a viccoil and nothing more) i want to try all combinations possible.....high input POWER.......then a high VOLTAGE input.......and compare it to winds per coil and low power high pulse rates.....i want to get a feel for everything going on......and i can pay 170 dollars for an amplifier to do this.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 26, 2009, 21:41:10 pm
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So what is happening to the current phase on both sides , plz tell me .
We know the voltage phase is equal in magnitude and in time , both cancel eachother .
But what about the current phase ?
the potentials are 180 out from a 2-d perspective when it comes to there charge potential's when those 2-d planes face each other with a gap even though there 180 out from each other there spirals are spinning in the same direction. but even though they are spiraling in the same direction on of thes spirals is putting off a force one way, while the other is putting of a force the other way.... when stan says water is the resistance in the system it really is.. cause since the displaced potentials on the core are happy next to each other in the wire they dont want to cross. normal electrolysis is forcing electrons to cross the water in a unbalanced way.. your vacuum force is not of the same potential??? it is mainly the pumping of electrons from ground to positve.. its like the clock observation i was givinng.. its 12 oclock, one hand is holes(light) the other is electrons when theres a current of electrons holes are going the other way on a 1-1 ratio.. but there pressures can vary.. a balance of vacuum and a balance of pressure.. they are sitting in 2 seperate tanks next to each other ones -1000psi the other is +1000psi these tank are 500 gallons a peice there is a 2 inch pipe connecting these tanks with a valve.. now open the valve.. what will happen??? will the +1000 create a blunt force one direction flow of air into the vacuum?? or will the -1000 psi have just as much attraction for to balance it is is forcing vacuum into the + tank? i would say one is forcing vacuum while the other is focing pressure causeing thr vortex of exchange.
outlawstc
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 03, 2009, 03:48:34 am
i need some one; anyone who can create a derlin bobbin core for me.
i do not have the machines to do it and need one created as soon as possible.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 03, 2009, 04:29:28 am
We should ask the expert , DonaldWFC
Donals , I'm ready to pay you to do my bobbins , lets do this .
Lay out your prices for everybody to see , I wanna get working on this shit .
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 03, 2009, 05:19:55 am
Cost depends pretty much entirely on how many I make, the more I make the cheaper they are, Ideally I would want to make a large batch of at least 25-30, I need more people to speak up and show me the demand before I can make large orders of materials.
Here is an outline of the process, just so you know what is involved
Small Bobbin -Face end -Drill 3/4" hole in center -Turn down outside diameter -Turn down diameter for primary -Cut 14 grooves -Cut to length -Face end -Mill grove across webs -Drill holes in ends for wires -Cut square hole with 3/4" broach
Large Bobbin -Face end -Drill large hole in center -Cut seat for small bobbin -Turn down outside diameter -Cut 14 grooves -Cut to length -Face end -Mill grove across webs -Drill holes in ends for wires
Core -Cut 3.5"x3.75" rectangles -Punch out two 1"x3" rectangles -Drill holes in corners -Cut 0.375"x3.5" rectangles -Drill holes in corners -Repeat 75x per core
Wiring -Mount SS wire on two spools -Wire chokes bifilar, counting turns, 14 sections -Feed wires through holes -Wrap chokes with paper/insulator -Wrap primary, counting turns -Feed Wires thought holes -Wire secondary, counting turns, 14 sections -Wrap secondary with paper/insulator
Assembling -Assemble bobbins, connect wires -Stack core, bolt together -Wire in diode
as you can see, breaking it into steps, there are a lot of tools to change in the machines, and getting everything set up, if I am making a large batch I can save a lot of time setting up the machines for each part of the process, also materials are cheaper in larger orders.
As for how much it costs, I'll let you guys make some guesses first, I haven't done all the math yet.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 03, 2009, 20:26:26 pm
Wake the fukk up people . Donald asked a question .
Who needs bobbins ?
Theres about 20 Members I love , they contribute as best they can , theres 180 I dont know whay the * they are here , speak out .
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 03, 2009, 22:45:50 pm
im interested!!! how much you want for 2?
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 04, 2009, 00:58:30 am
donald i will be purchasing one of johnbosticks coils monday when the banks are open......you should contact john and see who is making his bobbins for him.....let's try to get a huge collective together so we can all benefit from each other's skills.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 04, 2009, 01:07:13 am
donald i will be purchasing one of johnbosticks coils monday when the banks are open......you should contact john and see who is making his bobbins for him.....let's try to get a huge collective together so we can all benefit from each other's skills.
Word .
You guys are such a great example of a real grass roots research effort .
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 04, 2009, 02:22:39 am
this is it.....john's coil is made exactly as figure 6-1......the only thing left to do is hook it up and sweep.
when this happens and it is finally completed.
we must keep everything within our power to remain calm and not instantly start going on every forum posting a crazy amount of topics.
so far we've come too far to let this thing fall to the ground.
how will we go about writing a .pdf or a how-to from start to finish?
should we wait until we have the air ionizer?
since this is the work of the collective. i would like to know the collectives thoughts on this subject matter.
this is directed towards john: since i will be using your coil that you have created and if it works as stated in the tech brief.....what would you want to do next?
i have a video camera, meters and scopes to document everything......i also think i have the understanding to achieve the 5 gallons per hour claim.
with just that alone you can run a car on a 50/50 mix of water and fuel (IMAGINE THE IMPACT OF THAT).....maybe be even more....the apllications of the coil are endless.
I CANNOT TAKE CREDIT FOR ANY OF THIS THOUGH......i did not create the coil.....i did not know the size of the bobbins.......i have not gone out of my way to get the ss wire......and NONE OF US invented this.
so how do we go about releasing this long awaited information in one .pdf file that can spread to everyone and everything once and for all.
or are there any other ideas?
and obviously releasing this out into the internet would be an extraordinary mark in history.....
and for all the people incapable of creating this for themselves (a good 80% of the population (just plain lazy)) can seek the collective group's networking......
EVERYONE WILL BENEFIT
this is it....i cannot wait for monday to come around.
once again thank you everyone!...and thank you john for putting it together!! thankyouthankyouthankyou!
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 04, 2009, 02:46:16 am
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 04, 2009, 03:05:58 am
i think we should work togetther on coming up with the most simplest pdf. possible.. like stan said.. keep it simple stupid right?.... you can use whatever drawings of mine you find useful..also if you need me to draw stuff up i will.. when it comes to credit i think we should credit whoever has over 200 post on this site. then who evers under can be labeled a credited spectator. i would like to thank everyone that has over 100 post for your dedication over the last 6 months.. i wish i new about this site earlier.. i spent most my time on water fuel cell.. then i had a sugestion by dankie to join this site,, goita say the site is the most functional out of all. by far..
i sent john hutchinson my quote that i wrote a few days ago on overunity and he wrote back.. he replied " loved it thank you great words.. you all know who john is right? the guy that makes things float in the air and move with no VISIBLE force.. make metal turn to jello.. the hutchinson effect.. i wrote him another email. maybe he well shed some more insight if he replies again.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 04, 2009, 05:04:11 am
i think we should work togetther on coming up with the most simplest pdf. possible.. like stan said.. keep it simple stupid right?.... you can use whatever drawings of mine you find useful..also if you need me to draw stuff up i will.. when it comes to credit i think we should credit whoever has over 200 post on this site. then who evers under can be labeled a credited spectator. i would like to thank everyone that has over 100 post for your dedication over the last 6 months.. i wish i new about this site earlier.. i spent most my time on water fuel cell.. then i had a sugestion by dankie to join this site,, goita say the site is the most functional out of all. by far..
i sent john hutchinson my quote that i wrote a few days ago on overunity and he wrote back.. he replied " loved it thank you great words.. you all know who john is right? the guy that makes things float in the air and move with no VISIBLE force.. make metal turn to jello.. the hutchinson effect.. i wrote him another email. maybe he well shed some more insight if he replies again.
Are you for real ???
Seriously ??? Copy paste image plz
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 04, 2009, 18:04:17 pm
LOVE IT THANK YOU GREAT WORDS
----------------- Original Message ----------------- From: OUTLAW To: JOHN K HUTCHISON EFFECT OFFICIAL MYSPACE PROFILE Date: Mar 31, 2009 8:43 PM Subject: polarity vice vera- by slade outlaw
the search for the truth shall bring you one step closer to clarity and one step away from distortion. it will also take you one step closer to intuitive instincts and also take you one step away from ignorance at the same time hey its duality vice versa!!
For every question there’s an answer, for every answer there’s a question there the same in relation but there are two differences involved to get action, distortion and clarity. When you are born, distortion of our reality is at its highest. Its simple times of life, the beginning... the mind is not full of mixed signals created from experience that happens in time... its blind. As we go through life we find clarity in many things and it gives us a sense of enlightenment and or a sense of troubles... distortions and clarity can create gain working in opposition to each other. The gain is wisdom and the truth. One step forward towards the question will in return, bring you one step closer to the truth. Hey it may be a bumpy road but its builds character. What shows the truth? Reflection. They make us walk in circles now days, surrounded by nothing but distortion. Some of us have intuition gods people... some have ignorance the devils infantry. There is so much truth in this .if you don’t understand it read it again and again. Since each time you read it, it shall bring you one step closer to clarity and one step away from distortion, at the same relative time it will bring you one step closer to intuitive instincts and one step away from ignorance at the same time hey its duality vice versa!! Life has too many variables and complexities to predict and prepare ahead of the time in most cases... so the only thing you can do is BE prepare for the ride 24/7... And in the present time of relativity it seems like it might get ruff. So hold on tight and don’t shit yourself. The truth is I’m as real as they come these days haha... what does your intuition say? I say bitch don’t judge!!! see it’s vice versa lol
this is where free unlimited power comes from.. and it is also how us people of difference can also be overunity.. the age of Aquarius is rolling in (that water barrer) and the exit of the age of the Pisces (the fish (give a man a fish he eats for a day, teach a man to fish he eats for a lifetime) is this coinincidence.. or destiny? "god don't play dice with the universe" albert einstein..
outlaw
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 04, 2009, 18:36:11 pm
Please review this and post feedback. I need to know if my perception is correct. This is the way I wired the coil. John
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 04, 2009, 19:09:31 pm
this is what i see.. it seems you still see balanced high voltage as a one way current.. "for every action one trade takes place, 0's and 1's polar matter displaced, 0's the light and you are the one and what it amounts to is divintiy, but in todays world filter by luminosity".. haha part of a song i wrote..rhymes good right?
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 04, 2009, 19:39:06 pm
Please review this and post feedback. I need to know if my perception is correct. This is the way I wired the coil. John
I dont understand your electrical ground before the choke .
Besides that seems good , seems like this is what stan meant .
Outlaw , your setup is not like John as you have a bifilar coil with both wires from the same end of the core going to the cell .
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 04, 2009, 19:45:56 pm
this is a perception i also have involving a dual primary bidirectionaly wound..
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 04, 2009, 19:50:52 pm
the way i see it.. the dual primary will cause a turbulent amps to cause a compunding effect forcing electrons to be compressed toward center of bobbin.. while allowing the vacuum state to exist in the outside secdondarys of the bobbin..
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 04, 2009, 19:58:30 pm
My question is how are we gonna get the transformer to work in an unipolar way ??
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 04, 2009, 20:05:32 pm
well its not a 100 percent duty cycle so it will create electron bounce phenomena maybe.. i think john should at least give it a shot..all it involved is tapping into secondarys middle and changing up the primary spec.. im not sure just things im seeing in my head..
outlawstc
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 04, 2009, 22:04:00 pm
yes john that is correct.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 05, 2009, 02:06:58 am
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yes john that is correct.
correct? you have one working?
outlawstc
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 05, 2009, 02:46:29 am
not yet....but if you understand the term bifilar and read teslas patent on bifilar inductors and see aaron m's work and notice the dot orientation on the vic schematic then you will realize that john's connections are in fact correct....your theories apply towards alternators.....but not solid state.
there is only one bifilar coil here.
on the alternator there are multiple ss bifilars.
also johns windings are correct for bidirectional primary.....no overcomplication here.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 05, 2009, 02:56:13 am
My question is how are we gonna get the transformer to work in an unipolar way ??
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 05, 2009, 04:48:25 am
i have already messed around with this concept many times.....regardless if the transformer acts unipolar or not the diode makes it unipolar......there are no problems.....it would just be "IDEAL" to get a unipolar transformer......but not every transformer is perfect.....so no worries it works the same either way.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 05, 2009, 06:26:54 am
the electrical steel core forces it to be unipolar, this is noted in the TB, i have no idea what is going to happen with the ferrite cores, but i hope they work
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 05, 2009, 06:46:00 am
the ferrite cores will only slightly reduce the voltage amplitude since it is not perfectly unipolar and more so ac "friendly" like an audio transformer.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 05, 2009, 13:26:58 pm
remember this one: (instead of 0-100v, the transformer creates -100 - 100v (for example) ) (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/neogen_bifilar_with_wfc_165.jpg)
without the wfc, it is a tesla bifilar (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/47/TeslaBifilar.png)
but as always, I'm showing nothing that is new to ya.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 05, 2009, 16:11:10 pm
If you realize that the 100V leg of this Tesla's Bifilar Coil Design is connected to the North side of the secondary and the OV leg is the Isolated Electrical Ground connected to the South end of the secondary then you would know that this is exactly how Stan's coil is designed. The only difference between this and Stan's is that Stan’s secondary also shares the common core with the primary and bifilar chokes.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 05, 2009, 16:17:04 pm
Yes, and because the 0V isn't connected to the primary ground, equal and opposite voltages occur (EBP). Or do equal and opposites only occur when the exact center of the secondary coil is zero referenced? (amp inhibitor coil of fig 8-10 860)
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 05, 2009, 16:21:20 pm
the first picture shows *two* chokes bifilar wound *together*
the second picture shows *one* choke bifilar wound *alone*
I wonder why nobody has ever considered *two* chokes bifilar wound *alone* and right beside each other
this would mean you wind 4 SS wires onto the choke bobbin at the same time, and individually connect each choke like it is in the second picture
maybe you don't need to do it this way, but i wont be surprised if you do, and it's the last trick to getting it to work
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 05, 2009, 16:41:45 pm
According to Memo 426, 7-14 the exact center of the secondary coil being zero referenced is not mentioned to achive EBP
Quote Below
Magnetic Field Coupling entering into and passing through Secondary Coil-winding causes and produces copper ions when moving external electromagnetic field strength is sufficient enough to dislodge electromagnetically charged electrons from copper atoms making up copper wire material. Collectively, the resultant positive electrical charged copper ions added together produces Positive Voltage Potential being electrically applied to choke-coil; whereas, the "Liberated" negative electrical charged electrons added together provides Negative Voltage to the opposite end of Secondary Wire being electrically connected to choke coil. Once Secondary Coil-winding is de-energized by the removal, the dislodged electrons return to positive charged copper ions terminating and switching off opposite voltage potential when positive electrical state of the copper atoms changes back to net electrical charge of zero. Sustaining and maintaining the resultant induced Voltage Potential without "Electron Discharged" through Choke Coil while, at the same time, inhibiting any additional or other electrons from entering into Secondary copper wire-zone by way of Choke Coil is herein called "Electron Bounce Phenomenon" (EbP).
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 05, 2009, 16:42:13 pm
@donald I disagree, the first and second picture are exactly the same, except for the wfc, which is connected where the two wires are interconnected on the second pic (and pancake setup).
2 bifilars will give you even more voltage, outlaw showed such a setup as interpretation of meyer on later pages.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 05, 2009, 17:00:33 pm
I'm not saying that first picture is the wrong way to do it, i'm saying it's really only one bifiar choke with a wfc in the middle. maybe that is the right way to do it
or maybe this is the right way to do it
and i'll be sure to try both ways.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 05, 2009, 18:23:01 pm
Now I see, misunderstanding from my side.
I did consider before 2 separate vic's interconnected, somehow, one for positive, one for negative. 2 bifilars like you said, on a single core, even better, with only one transformer of which the secondary is a dual bifilar like 8-10. or 2 bifilars like hdemartin's, with a floating wire, for each side one floating wire.
but first we (john :P ) must confirm the basics :)
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 05, 2009, 18:30:37 pm
Its incredibly confusing to know wich connection is is the one , maybe both lol ...
reason 1: figure 7-1 shows north on opposite sides , just like Outlaw's reason 2: one time stan calls for a coil thats electro-magnetically oriented in the same direction , like john . reason 3: he shows a bifilar like Outlaw's in most of his drawings ( 2 wires from the same end of the core going to cell )
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 05, 2009, 19:20:32 pm
So CruxWFC said that if the impedance and resistance is allowed to go higher you get efficiency and voltage goes to maximum .
What happens when our resistance and impedance is MUCH MUCH higher ??
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 08, 2009, 03:28:03 am
alright so since the coil cost 350 from john and i want to start testing with my function generator and sweeping with the 3 inch tubes and spectrum analyzer i went out and purchased two 3 dollar mosfets IRF 523 i think..........so when the coil (hopefully) comes in tomorrow i can just jump right into testing....but for future testing i would want to get a dedicated power amplifier.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 08, 2009, 14:07:59 pm
NOTICE HOW THE LOAD REJECTION MATCHES STANLEY MEYERS eq 6 and 7
it's just an ordinary voltage divider, that's nothing mysterious or spectacular, of course the formulas are the same :)
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 08, 2009, 19:28:24 pm
there is a reason why stanley chose that equation......load rejection is what is going on inside the water capacitor.....i have noticed that the wfc and vic coil act much like transmission lines undergoing abrupt changes.....re read 14.5.1.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 08, 2009, 20:09:52 pm
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.load rejection is what is going on inside the water capacitor
i dont think its really load rejection as much as its the mutual charge induction on the core.. they are bifilar wound.. that means you can have a positive 600 (vacuum state, missing electrons replaced with light) sitting right next to neg 600 (condensed electrons in a wire) they are magneticaly ATTRACTED to each other on the core.. it is more work to cross the water turbulently then to just stay on the core.. the more wire whether it be copper or stainless is going to up voltage ability since each foot of wire is adding resistance so therefore you have a resistance to build pressure against... to call it load rejection isnt quiet tru.. what we call a load in present time deals with turbulent amp loads.. you must have some type of load if works being performed.. its a resonant load??/
outlawstc
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 09, 2009, 16:18:27 pm
YUP ... Its like lightning .
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 10, 2009, 04:43:13 am
i have received the vic coil from john........i blew both my mosfets in the process of trying to run amperage through it..........
tomorrow i will get a bunch of mosfets.
what i can say about johns coil so far is that all his readings are accurate....except i am getting different inductance readings with my inductance meter.........the connections are a pain in the a$s can be made incredibly easier if using a circle jumper connector.
the coil came in working beautiful condition.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 10, 2009, 10:11:16 am
i have received the vic coil from john........i blew both my mosfets in the process of trying to run amperage through it..........
tomorrow i will get a bunch of mosfets.
what i can say about johns coil so far is that all his readings are accurate....except i am getting different inductance readings with my inductance meter.........the connections are a pain in the a$s can be made incredibly easier if using a circle jumper connector.
the coil came in working beautiful condition.
Well, i have 3 multimeters here as well. All show different readings on most of the settings. Maybe i should buy for once a real meter in stead of all those japanese crap.....
steve
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 10, 2009, 20:12:48 pm
so here is the deal.......
i have connected the vic coil to a load...(3 inch tubes)......have connected the vic coil to my mosfet which is pulsed by my function generator at a 50 percent duty cycle.
FIRST OFF.
there is no second pulse on the off pulse.
SECOND.
Voltage is elevated and current is restricted....and i can achieve "resonant like conditions"....(meaning optimum efficiency point.)
THIRD. but since there is no pulse on the off pulse we do not get a step charging effect inside the water capacitor nor do we achieve stanley meyers resonance.
i have replaced johns diode with 2 of my other diodes to have the same result.
and by all means the 3 inch tubes do not pull 3.3 amps. nor does it want to consume 3.3 amps.
anyone?
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 10, 2009, 20:29:34 pm
by the way i discovered a software which can be used for various purposes together with a good soundcard, also a spectrum analyzer:
http://www.fesb.hr/~mateljan/arta/news.htm
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 10, 2009, 20:36:31 pm
could it be the wrong diode, stan calls it a switching diode, a blocking diode, is there a special meaning to these words, where the diode is more than just a normal one, i don't know much about it.
what is the input volts/amps? and the output volts/amps?
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 10, 2009, 20:49:22 pm
that is what i was thinking also donald but, in patent # 5,149,407 he states that the diode used in the vic circuit is a 1N1198 (http://pdf1.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/view/97631/MICROSEMI/1N1198.html) which is nothing different.....stna also uses the term switching diode as much as he uses blocking diode.....so that is a mystery long solved.
i will attempt to make a video of what is going on....as of now there are far too many numbers for me to remember.
i just know that there is no second pulse on the off pulse.
i swear it drives me insane.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 11, 2009, 02:48:42 am
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Primary Coil (26) (typically .030 Ga.) film coated magnet wire is longitudinal wrapped in space relationship on top of and layered bidirectional (507a xxx 507n) across spiral-wrap coils (501a xxx 50 In) to complete bobbin cavity (504).
ok this is what im thinking.. longitudinal wrapped might mean its wrapped tight and side by side all the way down to the end then a loop 180 bend and wind in opposite direction all the way back. then one more 180 bend back to the other end. making 3 layers?. that i think will cause a longitudinal wave pulse up the core to the 180 bidirectional turn... and also restrict amps? might have to get a roll of .030 ga and experiment with primary wind.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 11, 2009, 03:32:21 am
that actually sounds like it fits the description! smart thinking, that should be something to try
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 11, 2009, 03:40:19 am
yea like maybe the middle sandwiched wind kinda plays neutral? the wayi see it is being comprehended was that longitudinal was to wind at a angle and bi direction is to go end to end.. but i think that will just create emf wash...
for the way im thinking it would be like the first layer is 180 in then the 180 loop puts it 180 out for the second middle layer and the last 180 loop on the begining side is 180 back in phase...
what does everyone else think?
outlawstc
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 11, 2009, 06:03:43 am
maybe thats what stan means when he says current lags by 90 degrees? the 180 out phase in the middle is actually considered 90 out since its connected to 2 180 in winds on each end? 180 / 2 = 90?????... the only current in the system is in the primary right? maybe it might just need to be wound from one end to the other and back with no 180 turn at all? the way it looks wrapped now just doesnt seem like it would make a good pulse for deflecting electrons ........ your sending emf back and forth threw a web..... it doesnt create a unified field??? you got to think what type of emf is going to to work on moving the electrons out if the positve side of the secondary and try to condense them on the negative side.. every time a pulse hits and trys to condence them to the negative pole of the core. when it colapses the electrons are trying to return to the positve side of the coil but then you hit it with another electron wave its like 2 negative waves hitting., they oppose and bounce of each other?. thats the multiplying of the electron bounce phenomenon? but to multipy up it gets hit with a step up pulse? all questions... this water hobby is gonna put me in the looney bin lol
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 11, 2009, 06:32:32 am
well first off i am a tad intoxicated......i had an idea to connect one end of the tubes to an "earth" ground as stated in hydro's experiments.......i achieved the second pulse on the off pulse at around my meter read 590 volts dc coming off the vic coil.....when connected as ac it read 114......it was a clear second pulse....but this second pulse only occured at a certain frequency......my tubes where not in resonance with the inductor nor where the tubes submerged in water........when i submerged it in water i couldn't even get a signal on my scope......nothing worked after that at all....i replaced the mosfet still nothing.....and then weird shit just started happening which leads me to believe it is my aligator clips which have said fuck you for the night.......i will look into this more in hte morning.....
but all in all......I HAVE HAD POSITIVE RESULTS WITH THE EARTH GROUNDING OR (ISOLATED GROUND)....THE SECOND PULSE EXISTS PERFECTLY!
hopefully i can progress in the morning!
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 11, 2009, 06:38:59 am
Keep Up The Faith (We Can’t Stop Now)
stevejlo came to my house today from Dallas. He brought his circuit and cell so we ran some test on the Vic. We could only get the coil to show voltage on a meter to 460V. I talked to komtek and dynodon after we finished and got some encouragement.
First: The voltage that the coil read went to zero as soon as we put the leads in the water.
Second: The voltage would peg my 1KV meter to error and having to be reset if I didn't keep the leads in contact with the terminal from the startup.
Third: We hooked the coil up to an o'scope on the cell contacts and got the same step charging design as the bottom half of the tech brief (Figure 1-4: Applied Voltage to Resonant Cavity) with the same pattern as (Figure 6-3: Dynamic Voltage Potential) floating about 1/2" above it.
Fourth: When hooking up the o'scope while running the circuit the scope started reacting to the electrical static within a couple of inches of the contact.
Fifth: we couldn’t make one bubble in the cell.
I've been emailing back and forth with H2Opower the past few weeks and he says the coil we have is the VIC Voltage Enhancement Circuit (VIC - VB) (620) of Figure (7-1) and it is intended to be used with the injector.
komtek says that the voltmeter is pulling a load that is drawing down the voltage and that the voltage without amperage my be climbing to 2kv to 3kv hence the pegging out the volt meter when hooking it up under a load. He has already built this same coil and is having the same results with it.
Dynodon say’s the buggy has a large after market ignition coil on it that Stan must have been using for the sparkplugs.
I have figured the math for the capacitance required for this coil @ 5khz and it is .053nf or 53pf. The cell we were trying to test with today was 1.5mf, that is 28,301 times more capacitance than it should be.
I don't think the two leads of this coil will ever be submerged in the water bath. I think I will pursue a very small injector that will have a maybe hypodermic needle size Ventura tube drawing in water as a mist to force with air pressure across the voltage fields of these electrodes to get the capacitance down and then try to sparkplug fire the mist mixture. If I can design a small tube type injector that I can feed the air flow through this static electrical field with a electron extraction circuit collector connected to it then we my have found a simple way to ionize the air to a point of hitting (gtnt)
This is the statement after (Eq 24) on page 7-10 of the tech brief
Whereas, Capacitor (ER) should remain relatively small due to the dielectric value of water to obtain maximum Thermal Explosive Energy-Yield (16a xxx 16n) of Figure (4-5) and subsequently establishing Quenching Circuit (370) of Figure (3-40) to prevent gas ignition inside traveling voltage wave-guide (590) of Figure (6-2) as to (730) of Figure (7-12) ... to bring-on and trigger Hydrogen Fracturing Process (390) of Figure (3-42) once liberated and expanding water gases (100) of Figure (4-8) passes beyond exit port (E9d) ... activating Voltage Ignition Process (90) of Figure (5-5) ... utilizing Dynamic Voltage Potential (600) of Figure (6-3) of opposite electrical stress (SS' - 617 - RR') to cause thermal atomic agitation (90) of Figure (4-7) (kinetic heat by atomic motion) which, when occurring at gas exit port (32) of Figure (4-5), spark-ignites expanding water gas-fuel (45/46/47) of Figure (4-5) during water inject cycle (70) of Figure (4-5) ... releasing thermal explosive energy (gtnt) (16) under control state.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 11, 2009, 06:42:00 am
i have had positive results when connecting one end of my tube to the earth ground aka (isolated electrical ground).....thus giving me 2 seperate grounds.....one for the primary and one for the tubes and vic.....at a certain frequency i achieved the second pulse and 590 volts DC read on my meter...my tubes where not in water.....at low frequency a spark would jump across the tubes......i played around with this for a moment.....then after submerging the tubes in water i had switched some wires around and nothing would even show up on my scope.....i checked for a short in the vic coil...nothing....still perfect.....i think the alligator clips are at fault for now.....and since i am slightly intoxicated right now i would rather proceed tomorrow......but i have achieved the second pulse....and my tubes were not in resonance yet........hopefully tomorrow.
but i have achieved a second pulse with positive results when using an "isolated ground"....hydrocars always talks about this and how you cannot achieve high voltage without it....and yesterday i also achieved surface bubbles to form on the tubes and have shocked myself with the vic coil before dishcarging the bifilar windings.
stay tuned or try the earth ground approach!
i am excited but just need to let my crappy clips relax.....playing around with the sparking across the tubes is what might have done it....this is something that happens alot from experience with half of my alligator clips.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 11, 2009, 08:00:27 am
if this is going with an injector then stan says the dune buggy would use 7 micro-liters of water per injection cycle, that should give a scale for the size of the injector, the more i think about it, the smaller the injector must be, but this is great progress, only 5 days till i am done of exams and then i'm free to work on this non stop :) this is getting exciting
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 11, 2009, 15:11:17 pm
The oscilloscope stevejlo and I used to look at the coil with is an old scope I bought off ebay. I drew a picture of the signal the coil generated on it as close as I could. Stevejlo had adjusted the scope to a place where this was what we got.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 11, 2009, 16:57:21 pm
It would be geat if you did detailed all your experiments like where you are putting your scope leads , water used , etc ...
So when you put water the voltage potential is nothing , as we could expect . If you are putting the cope leads across the cell thats not the way to go . If you wanna have an idea of whats going on you must put scope leads on positive side before cell and the ground after negative choke .
Make a pic of how exactly you connect the coil to the cell , and the winding/connection of the cell .
What I am interrested in is how does the Hutchison effect work , that metals covalent bonding is all messed up , I`m sure a voltage field would just rip it all apart ...
Plz read the Demartin posts over @ overunity.com
He mentions all it is you are mentionning. Nothing here surprises me , we are just hitting the same old wall again .
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 11, 2009, 17:20:39 pm
yes you should start a log book
date, purpose of experiment, method, circuit diagram, results, notes, observations, comments, questions, you can take pictures, and do audio/video too if you want
same thing you do in chemistry or physics labs in school, and you learn about the original science experiments, faraday and newton and all them used log books, it is pretty much a necessary fact of the process
the idea is to figure it out and develop the tech, so this is a record and proof of your work. the data you release is of course different, stan never released his experimental notes, only his successes and products, but all engineers and scientists... and doctors.... and lawyers, have logs
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 11, 2009, 17:22:57 pm
!!!! JOHN when you got those results how was your vic connected to the tubes....and was there an earth ground?.....or just tell me how you connected it to hte tubes?....i am about to start re experimenting right now...i just woke up.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 11, 2009, 17:48:14 pm
Troy, I didn't try an earth ground. We couldn't get any reading with the leads in the water. We hooked the scope up to the two contacts on the sides of the chokes that should go to the cell.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 11, 2009, 18:07:52 pm
good news i got the double pulse and here is the thing......it will only (atleast with my function generator) occur at a certain power level and amplitude ratio.........and then i get a beautiful double pulse perfectly......i am about to film it.
i will hook it up later to a cell and then try no ground and ground.
i have internet work to attend to as of now though.....
but it makes perfect double pulses only at a certain power and amplitude ratio for some reason.....luckily i can adjust these independently.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 11, 2009, 18:17:30 pm
alright i just filmed the oscope screen......and also it is over 1kv of pulses coming off the coil....i will post photos in a minute.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 11, 2009, 18:32:18 pm
sooo here is what i am at so far.......the inductive kick back from the bifilar windings is priceless......now i can make the double pulse all round just as meyers has in his patents but i realized that the photo below carries more power around 20 volts more......so i have my probes on x10....but do not let it fool you those double pulses are of 1060 volts.....1.06kv....and here is the kicker......that is with just the coil not connected to tubes or in resonance......that is the coil drawing it's own current and nothing else......if i am to connect it to tubes and then tubes in water we are going to be looking at much much higher numbers plus once in resonance.....oh man.
GOOD SHIT.....john you have recreated a work of art.....the secret is not what you are pulsing in but it's amplitude!....a square wave is a square wave is a square wave.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 11, 2009, 19:52:33 pm
i know this isnt 6-1 and i know its one of stans early drawings (1981) but i noticed the choke only had the positve lead hooked to the choke while the negative just goes straight to earth ground like hydro says.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 11, 2009, 22:06:16 pm
Plz try the demartin connection , I`m curious .
That picture is nothing significant , it looks like a capacitor charge and discharge and not doubled .
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 11, 2009, 22:20:33 pm
Ok So I see that when you have a bifilar hookept up with both ends of the core going to the cell ( as shwon in the picture) ,on ON time , the amps from each coil go towards the cellmaking the north aligned , as daid by Meyers . Plz see the posts made by ``demartin`` @ overunity.com
Ok I just noticed this mystery guy , MIKE , one signel post , may 2008
Shortly before Demartin , on the page Stanley Meyer replication with low input power @ overunity.com, page number 69 ,sorry my internet is messed up .
Hello all, I tried to post this in the proper location, so someone please move it to where ever, Thanks. I would like to share my thoughts on Meyer here. First, though, I would like to say that there are quite a few people who know exactly how this works and have operating examples performing flawlessly at over 10OU particularly at Cal-Tech and MIT. So, there is nothing new or any great secrets here. Also, the following is my line of thought on this matter and I am not suggesting anyone change their thinking. So ,I will look at the obvious and then work my way out on a limb. I will be brief. Look at a cross section of one concentric tube combination, dl at the bottom and follow the energy of one pulse from the outer ring to the inner, the energy density increases as it travels inward, this happening upward as the pulse travels up the outer tube reverses 180 and returns to the bottom. As the charge increases in the water the tension across the molecules increases. Consider the tension of a string gradually increasing, at some point , the ability to transfer energy most efficiently is reached. Keep this in mind as efficiency factors.
Farah asks the right question. ?what do you want this to do?? Both Meyl and Bearden describe scalar waves as emanating at right angles from the axis of the energy differential of a dipole or antenna. Meyl?s 3 dimensional vortex model fits in here nicely. 6 vortexes points in, energy traveling across any axis is through the adjoining, each at right angles to one another to the originating axis. The same is true coming back through the unused vortex pair. At equilibrium energy is balanced . Torque and stretch one axis of the vortex matrix and let it snap back and you will cause the energy of the adjoining rt. Angled vortexes to be given off as a scalar energy burst. Regauge and repeat and essentially a scalar pump is created. Luckily, in the cell all the molecules are aligned on a radius between the tubes. The scalar radiation at right angles to the radius form interference patterns as they intersect. The scalar interference patterns traveling through the outer tube pass through magnetic fields surrounding the iron molecules and here an electrical gain is achieved. Pausing the pulsation is necessary for the breakdown of the water consume the additional energy charge. From my point of view this is brute force electrolysis where the heavy lifting is accomplished by the conversion of radiant energy.
Now, you can?t just pulse this setup and expect a miracle. If you examine some of the ou devices, weather it be Gray, Dollard, Meyl, Bedini, there is one commonality, coils that are wound mirror image with reference to one another. None of the patents will show this. Pancakes are best, but a variation of a pancake is also possible wound in equal layers and direction within, but each opposite. What is created is energy of opposite rotation which when applied torques the water vortex matrix.
At the vic, the pulse from the secondary fires the pancakes wound upon the same core. A problem here is that energy travels faster though copper and is impinged at the stainless copper junction. This problem can be resolved by a resister or lc or just stainless wire if you can find it.
The gain in the outer tube produces a pulse out greater than the pulse in, opposing the field in the vic and input current drops. The diode stops the pulse out from resolving the charge of the inner tube. The coating on the inner tube serves nothing more than insulation preventing the charge from resolving and prolonging the scalar effect as per Bearden. Meyer thought of using delrin in production because of the time necessary for conditioning.
There is a catch 22 here with the length of the tubes. The second harmonic of the tubes is only known after you cut them and connect the circuit. Changing the length changes everything, so use a single short tube combination to start, an overtone of A or C or F, as multiple tubes can bring in adverse harmonics unless identically tuned. The length of the larger tubes will be a function of the vic.
I have tried to address most of the major issues here. Once I can find time to get things up and running, I will post any changes to my scenario here. This is the jist of the path I am following. Print this post is a keeper. Regards and best wishes to all.
Mike
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 11, 2009, 22:52:01 pm
I just found this guy by miracle , great post and just another person who tought the same thing I did .
So now Kinesis , you must connect your VIC to tubes like Meyers say its supposed to be , the opposing bifilar.
Its this scalar shit ...
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 11, 2009, 23:40:42 pm
a tornado is a scalar wave i think.. its a mirror of low pressure heading toward high pressure and high pressure is going toward low pressure.. negative for voltage is the pressure side while the positve is the vaccum side.. so thinking its equivalent to the high pressure low pressure senerio for a tornado
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 12, 2009, 01:44:35 am
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The coating on the inner tube serves nothing more than insulation preventing the charge from resolving and prolonging the scalar effect as per Bearden. Meyer thought of using delrin in production because of the time necessary for conditioning.
what does mike mean by this?
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 12, 2009, 02:00:45 am
The gain in the outer tube produces a pulse out greater than the pulse in, opposing the field in the vic and input current drops. The diode stops the pulse out from resolving the charge of the inner tube. The coating on the inner tube serves nothing more than insulation preventing the charge from resolving and prolonging the scalar effect as per Bearden. Meyer thought of using delrin in production because of the time necessary for conditioning.
There is a catch 22 here with the length of the tubes. The second harmonic of the tubes is only known after you cut them and connect the circuit. Changing the length changes everything, so use a single short tube combination to start, an overtone of A or C or F, as multiple tubes can bring in adverse harmonics unless identically tuned. The length of the larger tubes will be a function of the vic.
Trying to understand this part myself . What are those variables , somekind of RF thing ??? , plz help
Not saying we should undesatnd every sentence but we do have an idea , now we have identified more variables and know why it is shit always fucks up .
We have to view this as a scalar shit from now on .
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 12, 2009, 03:58:39 am
hahahah well guess what.....andrija puharich was correct.........first off i realize that i have a damn good function generator......you cannot get a second pulse on the off pulse unless you use AM modulation option.......i have no idea what that means.....but am modulation is the only way you can get it........regular square waves do not work.....hell yeah for luck!
second off.......the coil throws out 1060 volts when connected to just a volt meter..........now if you connect your probe it will drop to around 800-900......now take those same leads but only connected to your volt meter......and put them in water......goes from 1060 volts to around 240.......now connect the same leads to just your volt meter and ss tubes.......only 100 volts...........
anyone.....any ideas.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 12, 2009, 04:16:46 am
hahahah well guess what.....andrija puharich was correct.........first off i realize that i have a damn good function generator......you cannot get a second pulse on the off pulse unless you use AM modulation option.......i have no idea what that means.....but am modulation is the only way you can get it........regular square waves do not work.....hell yeah for luck!
second off.......the coil throws out 1060 volts when connected to just a volt meter..........now if you connect your probe it will drop to around 800-900......now take those same leads but only connected to your volt meter......and put them in water......goes from 1060 volts to around 240.......now connect the same leads to just your volt meter and ss tubes.......only 100 volts...........
anyone.....any ideas.
Show these 3 things everytime you update your log (this thread) , then maybe we can imagine better .
1: your connection from coil to cell , connection of coil . 2:where you put your scope leads 3:waveform
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 12, 2009, 04:41:22 am
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The length of the larger tubes will be a function of the vic.
he speaks as if the negative inner tube has nothing to do with the pulse coming from the vic... it makes me think maybe the negative side of the secondary isnt connected to anything and the stainless wire that it is hooked to it right now is going to ground instead.. with the negative side not connected will that not cause electrons to compress? and maybe on off time bounce back?
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 12, 2009, 05:33:50 am
during a lighting strike, a cloud has built up with enough positive charge to the point where it is attracted to electron density on earth ground? these attractions are fluid and cannot move as a mass? so instead you get arks the point of easiest exchange and are sending electrons to the cloud and light to the ground... think about how lighting when it strikes the beach it makes glass due to the pure intensity of light(heat) being projected into the earth as well as the electron dismissal from earth? this exchange is happening with particles way smaller then a proton.. i cant remember but a electron is either 200 or 2000 times smaller then a proton. i would say a lighting strike is like a cyclone.. the visible lighting is only the eye of the vortex where the most intensity is.. the exchange is happening so fast from our relative perspective.. we cant tell what type of exchange is happening. makes me think of black holes and worm holes.. like maybe a lightning strike is a worm hole that only exist for a short lived time.. space is such a big volume... who knows how big of displaced potentials exist out there.. and a black holes life in a relative manner can make a black hole long lived with infinite displacements?
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 12, 2009, 07:54:10 am
there is so much off topic shit in this thread......first off.....john the photo you posted of the presumed waveform is completely incorrect......there is no way that can be achieved unless connected to a capacitor and i can prove it.
That picture is nothing significant , it looks like a capacitor charge and discharge and not doubled .
haha wait what?......have you ever seen a capacitor charge and discharge on an oscope....it looks like the photo john posted as the supose-ed coil output waveform......HAS ANYONE READ THE GOD DAMN TECH BRIEF.
the scope shot i have is EXACTLY WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN.....your comment is of complete emptiness.
this is what comes out of the coil......REGARDLESS......this signal then goes into the cell. (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/wave2.jpg)
the step charging (diagonal line) is what happens inside and only inside the water capacitor.....why is that so hard to comprhened???? (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/wave3.jpg)
and another thing dankie....please tell me your logic........"So now Kinesis , you must connect your VIC to tubes like Meyers say its supposed to be , the opposing bifilar."
haha you cannot connect the tubes to be opposing.....god damn are you lost in fantasy world?.......john designed the coil so that it's bifilar windings are already opposing.....aka the dot orientation.....or what i have been saying FOREVER.
john built the coil perfectly.....now everything depends on the pulse signal.......i can only modulate my wave form with an amplitude of 5volts and can set the waves amplitude to around 20 volts.......WE NEED TO BUILD THE IDENTICAL PULSE GENERATOR FROM THE INDEPENDENT REPORT.
so far there is NO SCALAR activity.......it is everything meyers has said it was.....voltage potential in resonance......I WOULD RECOMMEND LOOKING INTO ANDRIJAH PUHRICHS WORK....he is the closest to meyers by far.
sorry to be so blunt and abrasive but i am sick of all the crazy theoretical talk crowding up my projects section i would like it if you posted your theories in your own sections and let me post mine here.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 12, 2009, 14:47:57 pm
Troy, I see exactly what you mean by the waveform off the coil charging the capacitor. I suspect when we got that signal we had the scope leads on the primary reading stevejlo circuit and not the coil. It is understandable because his Lawton type circuit does have capacitors. My mistake. Here are the links I use to search the math for resonance. You may already have these because they are helpful. http://www.electronics2000.co.uk/calc/calcreac.htm http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Bill_Bowden/XLC.htm http://www.deephaven.co.uk/lc.html
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 12, 2009, 16:37:45 pm
John`s interpretation was wrong , this is how the coils should be connected . Those dots opposing eachother is the results of your misunderstanding . Now a bifilar wound like this induces current in the other wire making it a twin clone , both burrents going in the same direction , north magnetic field aligned . Now the only thing that was keeping John`s connection alive is when Stan calls for field to ``electro-magnetically aligned on the same side of the core`` .
There is nothing wrong with your pulsing . Solder yourself a Jolt circuit and take a 12V battery , this is what I am doing . I would say a frequency generator is not so good compared to the new Jolt circuit with a battery . Perhaps install that pulse pickup circuit and see if you cant light up a led in a narrow frequency band , ask jolt more questions about this .
So now if you wanna narrow it down with brute force trial and error , besides going throught frequencies with your Jolt circuit , you should play with your tubes , as Stephen Meyers said this is like an antenna , an antenna to Heavens Energy ... The heaven energbvy is doing the work , you are just opening up the door for Heaven energy to come in .
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 12, 2009, 20:33:08 pm
oh dankie.....
JOHN your coil is built 100% correctly.
i have finally seen the double pulse exactly as stated in the patent from a single 50 percent duty cycle input.
i understand how resonance works even with a diode....gating.
seeing that the high resistivity of the water is dampening my overall signal all i need to do is apply more power......i can only modulate my amplitude to 5 volts......if i can do this at atleast 12 volts then it should be completed.....
it would be great if we could construct the exact pulsing circuit as in the independant report....but as of now everything meyers has eve said is 100% correct.
i have connected it the way dankie describes with no effect......voltage does not reach anywhere near 1kv.....it reaches around 450 volts.
once again aaron M was correct along with stanley meyers.......they are wound bifilar together yet have there voltages sent in opposing directions which is what the dot orientation is.
dankie your connections will not crete a magnetic field at all.....(there is no high pitch ring either).....and even stan has said that the magnetic field also holds back current.......your connections dankie will not raise voltage and hold current.
im sorry but you are completely wrong for the final time.
i will mess around with power amplitudes today and see if there is a way to some how increase my modulation.
and for komtek who said that his "source" told him that 6-1 cannot be used for tubes is a complete farce from h2opower.....who is usually correct......but the injectors are a capcitor.....the 3 inch tubes are a capacitor......there for the inductor can form an RLC network regardless.......there is no difference between the 3 inch tubes and the injector......just different frequencies due to capacitance....komtek you have also mentioned the bridge rectifier which is completely true......but then this prove to be less efficient then a 50 percent pulse going into the bifilar inductor......look at it this way......you take a 50% duty cylce pulse and push it through a single diode into the bifilar coil.....on the off pulse it creates another pulse of the same polarity......(the scope shot).....this is the unipolar pulse stan speaks of......that would then go into the cell........now your other idea is one i used to do all the time to understand resonance since i could never get a perfect double pulse.......so your way would be to take a 50 percent pulse and full wave rectify it create the same thing as above....but then if you send that pulse into the bifilar inductor there will never be an off section in the unipolar pulses (until gated) and the coil will have it's magnetic field constantly activated this will eventually lead to heat and loss of power....stan has mentioned this method since it can work......but in operating conditions of some length of time you will be slowly burning up your electronics.......the scope shot above is the double pulse with a 50 percent duty cycle......those double pulses are 1.06kv at an amperage that is not on my meter......the amperage isn't even picked up on my meter.
i need to get to the 3.3 amp current draw......this is my goal.
no more theories......hands on before you make assumptions.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 12, 2009, 20:55:59 pm
So you are getting that transformer to work with my connection .
So Aaron is right and Meyers is wrong ?? I think not ... No effect is what it should look like unless you actually see gas production.
If it was connected like you say it is than what are Meyers drawings showing , something to be ignored??
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 12, 2009, 21:02:43 pm
dankie....meyers and aaron have the same connection.....same as tesla......same as john's coil....
edit:....i see why you are confused now.....you are looking at john's little arrows on the wires........those are not correct in that interpretation......that is not how electricity flows in this circuit....electrons travel in the opposite direction to current....there is a opposing electron flow becuase of the diode and the pumping action......i don't know why i never explained that......you are thinking in terms of electricity......that is not the case.....it is electron flow we are looking at to accomplish the electron bounce phenomena.....take john's original dot orientation drawing and move the inductors in your mind and it is identical to the vic circuit stan shows over and over and over again......i see you do not understand the complexities of electricty.....this is a 100% percent honest mistake......think electron bounce phenomena and how the diode only allows electron flow in one direction.....you have a bouncing opposing field effect.....and all the enrgy and power is dumped into the capcitor from both sides of the tubes.....
DO NOT LOOK AT THE ARROWS IN JOHN'S DOT ORIENTATION DIAGRAM...you automatically assume that becuase the arrows are in the same direction that it is not opposing......hah what a way to judege a circuit!....you should look at the dot orientation and the connections they are 100% correct......the way you connect it does absolutely nothing.....the way you have drawn it above is not opposing......yes the arrows are not in the same direction (good job)...but that's not how a circuit works......you should be able to see this circuit running in your head pretty easily.
THE MOST IMPORTANT PART TO THIS TECHNOLOGY in all honesty is the signal input amplitude and power.......
oh boy.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 12, 2009, 22:56:30 pm
This is 100% Stan Business, and all other theories or ideas are slowing down progress and causing confusion.
Kinesisfilms, It is more helpful for the world if you ignore the crazy questions and theories and instead put your energy into explaining your set up, your experiments, your results, your understanding, and thoughts.
If you explain yourself in relation to Stan/ patents/ videos/ techbrief then we can read those and figure out what you are doing and saying. The people that do not understand the basics of Stans work can figure that out for themselves by reading his stuff.
Everything you say is gold right now.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 12, 2009, 23:17:48 pm
you can see the input 50 percent duty cycle waveform at the bottom and the unipolar double frequency pulses over it.....now when gated this forms the unipolar pulse train.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 12, 2009, 23:44:34 pm
Ok I'mm gonna put up what I mean . They are not the same , only 1 is correct here .
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 12, 2009, 23:51:32 pm
Nice scopeshot, Kenisis!
That circuitboard of Stan is very easy to make. I made it 2 years ago.
br Steve
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 13, 2009, 00:16:44 am
well dankie the way johns coil is made craetes unipolar pulses......the way you SAY IT SHOULD be connected is completely wrong and just produces another square wave but with a higher amplitude.
stan's actually doubles the pulse on the off pulses when the magnetic field collapses.....boy have you ever play with an inductor before?
you are wrong wrong wrong.
you show me a 50 percent duty cycle pulse that turns into a unipolar double pulse with an inductor and a single diode.....please.
regardless of your skewed logic the evidence shows that tesla, meyers, crux, aaron m, and john's windings are correct.
they are correct simple as that.
you are completely wrong.....clear your head and try again later.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 13, 2009, 00:25:58 am
Troy, Thank you so much for testing this coil the way you are. Seeing the signal on your scope makes me think we have hit a small breakthrough in this project. I think we have alot more to do but we are surely headed in the right direction. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. John
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 13, 2009, 00:34:15 am
i deleted my last post because it was pointless. it will just cause more bickering which is somthin i dont want. it just upsets me to see anger on a thread. and no manners.. bu were only human as well right?
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 13, 2009, 00:39:18 am
yes john this is a break through.....the unipolar pulses are finally solved.....
and it works exactly as stan states. (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/yesnoshit.jpg)
we will work out every knook and cranny until it works exactly as he states......
this is amazing.....this used to plague me forever......i am familiar with resonance and step charging very well from past experiences......i can do this now.....i just need a real signal amplifier.....one that amplifies the amplitude and not just the power or force in the signal.....a mosfet is good for power.....but does nothing to step up voltage amplitude......remeber voltage amplitude is completely seperate from resoanance.....so you can adjust it higher or lower and you will get more or less gas bubbles while maintaining resonance......this is it.....i just need to get a power amplifier tomorrow.
so cross your fingers.
this could be it.
and if it is......this shit needs to go global......a pdf file should start to be created for how to construct the vic coil......
if i do get it with my function generator and power amplifier then afterwards we can design a working signal generator......not a pulse width modulator......a real controlable circuit.......
i hope electrojolt reads this.
and i read your post outlawstc before you deleted it......this section is under projects section.....it is for my developements and my track record.....you and dankie start going off on theories...and hold your own conversation completely off topic from this thread......that was my point.....i appreciate thinking......but there are places for that.....your own projects section or a completely new thread.....i want this thread to be the entire process it took for me to get to the damn unipolar pulses.....and finally this thread is completed.
AND STEVIE WHAT WAS THE RESULT WITH THAT CIRCUIT YOU CREATED?......IS IT JUST USED TO CREATE THE GATING EFFECT.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 13, 2009, 00:45:30 am
That scopeshot you show is no way doubled , the inner/winding capacitance is simply opposing the voltage drop ... In no way is this a doubled frequency , it shows nothing significant whatsoever .
The John connection and my connection work in total opposite way , that specific connection by John is never *physically* shown , all you have to base yourself on is the dots ... Well your connection leaves out MY connection , the bifilar shown by Meyers will never be like the John VIC coil since they have totally different effects on water ...
What I am saying is that the coil shown in the independant report and tech brienf and the John VIC will never be even remotly similar in the way they operate ... its not 1= another ... they will never be = ...
There is a contradiction here . But plz , this is not a debate wich is troublesome , this will be decided by what works since its just a simple matter of switching connections .
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 13, 2009, 00:59:13 am
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i want this thread to be the entire process it took for me to get to the damn unipolar pulses..
. dude you are the type of person that gets me in trouble... its like that last word thing .. its got to be snotty.. like a 1 up.. the one word damn turns your whole paragraph negative in my mind. the tampon between the leg theory.. and to be so mad to use gods name invane.. to show your anger? im sure stan wouldn't care for that anger towards the lord. in the production of one of gods greatest gifts.
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stan's actually doubles the pulse on the off pulses when the magnetic field collapses.....boy have you ever play with an inductor before?
you are wrong wrong wrong.
you have around 4 days now playing with the vic and you say you know how it works and wrong wrong wrong.. boy have you ever played with a inductor before??? dankie has been very helpful and yet you degrade him? wake up man settle down.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 13, 2009, 01:05:19 am
i have tried dankies connection.
i have tried john's connection.
dankies did not work.
johns worked.
dankies did not create a double pulse
john's did.
dankie tells me it's still wrong.
when i am the one actually working on it here.
yes dankie has done alot.
but he is wrong in this case.
he can talk all he wants until i see him prove me wrong.
and never once was i angry.
too many assumptions are made here.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 13, 2009, 01:06:53 am
he can talk all he wants until i see him prove me wrong.
and never once was i angry.
too many assumptions are made here.
Somehow it always comes back to this debate , I wonder if its just not both ... (plz ignore this now and keep as a reminder)
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 13, 2009, 01:12:23 am
Question:
you show in your scope shot, the 50% duty cycle at the bottom, and your pulses on the top, are you sure this is double frequency?
Looking closer you have a "low-high" on the bottom, for each tall "pulse". so if you count the "high's" from the bottom, and the tall pulses, you get the same amount.
Each tall "pulse" is twice as wide as each "low" or "high", so i am confused, what would the relationship be if it was not a "double" pulse frequency.
Can you explain what is going on here a little bit better for me, I am eager to learn.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 13, 2009, 01:16:32 am
dankie i gladly will.
you are correct about opposing fields.
but you are wrong about the connections.
it is the electron flow that is to be focused on......hence electron bounce phenomenon
once again.....you are correct about the opposing fields......but wrong about the connections.....your connections will not cuase opposition amongst potential energy.
electons flow in the opposite direction of current.
this has to help you (http://www.mi.mun.ca/users/cchaulk/eltk1100/ivse/ivse.htm#)......NOW IMAGINE A DIODE IN THE CIRCUIT LIKE THE IN VIC WHEN THE ELECTRON IS TRAVELING ......TELL ME WHAT WOULD HAPPEN?...BOUNCING AND A BUILD UP IN OPPOSITION!
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 13, 2009, 01:20:40 am
The circuitboard, as far as i can remember, is nothing more then a squarewave generator.50% duty fixed. No gating options at all.
br Steve
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 13, 2009, 01:21:53 am
alright donald here is what happens......on teh 50 percent duty cycly sent into the inductor it creates a magnetic field......then when the 50% duty cycle is shut off the magnetic field collapses and the diode forces that energy to be sent towards the cell (or in this case my probe)....this would give me a double pulse.....one on the on and one on the off.......look at the first scope shot i posted.....it shows it much much clearer....it is an inductive kick......there is no bottom to the double pulses.....the wave form is now DC.....it is no longer AC.....it is the same concept as taking a sine wave (or 50% duty cycle square pulse) and sending it through a bridge rectifier which would created a unipolar pulse or DC......
this is how alternators work in a car to create dc....but that is sent into a cap to smooth it out.
does that explain it?...if you still do not understand please let me know.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 13, 2009, 01:28:05 am
well i think that generator was used also for gating......as stated here:
if you notice in the circuit diagram it says to 8XA and not 8XA1.......that circuit might only be used to gate......and not for hte primary signal......but if you built it i would be interested in knowing if you can do test with it.
EDIT: stevie i did not mean that the generator had gating options...i meant was it used for gating as in the above image?
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 13, 2009, 01:35:18 am
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 13, 2009, 01:41:01 am
Thanks, I see on your first one a double frequency, there is a pulse for the "on" and one for the "off", on your second scope shot, there appears to be the same pulse frequency, but it it double-width ?
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 13, 2009, 01:42:53 am
On another note, it appears Stan likes to show his pulse generator and his gate generator as separate circuits, this could be combined, like the Jolt circuit, or it could be done separately.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 13, 2009, 02:11:04 am
Thanks, I see on your first one a double frequency, there is a pulse for the "on" and one for the "off", on your second scope shot, there appears to be the same pulse frequency, but it it double-width ?
it is not double width....that is how it looks when you have it aligned perfectly......the first scope shot i showed i used becuase it put out 20 volts more then the second scope shot.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 13, 2009, 02:54:07 am
for the record
connecting your bifilar to the cell like this will DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
john i connceted it the way dankie swears his life on: H to F and had G as my ouput.....so my outputs were G and E just to prove dankie's wrong.....PLEASE JOHN when you get a chance try this unconnect the Gto H connection and connect H to F and use G as the output.....this is the way dankie is saying it should be connected......they cancel each other out and it is no longer an RLC circuit but an RC circuit.....the vic coil does absolutely nothing and becomes a dead weight.....for it to act as an inductor it needs a magnetic field.....please do this at some point to prove once and for all that those images are mis drawn and that the text is correct......dankie refuses to believe me and i would love to have another voice who has actually tried both ways.....the iamges you always referr to are incorrect......read, read, read.
Thanks, I see on your first one a double frequency, there is a pulse for the "on" and one for the "off", on your second scope shot, there appears to be the same pulse frequency, but it it double-width ?
John , Kinesis .
Plz replace your cell with an ampmeter with both my connection and your connection and compare , put it on xtra sensitive .
Also , plz put scope leads on my connection with cell as per this drawing and sweep your frequencies . Make sure you put leads on same distance from cell , resistance must be equal on both sides.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 13, 2009, 03:04:04 am
dankie im sorry...i connected it to a laod and everything.....nothing happens.....since there is no magnetic field no current no power nothing.
seriously i am sorry it's a shame you won't let this go.
really though it does not work.
the way john wound it works FLAWLESSLY.
once again im sorry.....but that's just the way it is.
you could always purchase one from john and try it yourself.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 13, 2009, 03:08:46 am
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 13, 2009, 03:15:04 am
tell me something kineisisfilms.. how are you hooking up your primary? signal gen to positve then negative to ground?
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 13, 2009, 03:53:32 am
Forgive me for asking again...
I drew a picture to help show what I am thinking...
"A" shows a pulse for each "high" and "low" "B" shows a wide pulse for a pair of "high and low"
What I am able to see in your first scope shot is similar to "A" What I am able to see in your second scope shot is similar to "B"
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 13, 2009, 03:54:06 am
are you hitting the positive primary with variable analog pulse 1-12 volts from a regulated dc supply? that also has a variable gate? then are you gating the negative ground with 10 khz or up matching the same width of analog pulse with matching gate?
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 13, 2009, 03:56:25 am
this is with just the regular 50 ohm probe load. (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/4thgradedrawing.jpg)
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 13, 2009, 04:06:35 am
this is what it is donald......you guys have me drawing up a storm.....sorry for the serial killer-like handwriting. (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/serialkiller.jpg)
and dankie...prove it??? there is a scope shot...do you want me to bleed for you or something.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 13, 2009, 04:16:09 am
Ok, the voltage spike... not sure what that is, but it's nice to know what was causing my confusion.
Also, is this double frequency? If you look at my "B" or the second half of your drawing, (which are similar) ... that shows one "pulse" for each "high and low"
and another thing i just noticed, in your first scope shot, the pulse starts on "high" and ends on a "low", whereas on your second scope shot the pulse starts on "low" and ends on a "high" .. i didn't notice this when i drew my first picture, and i drew them both as "low"-"high", but the difference is probably significant.
in your picture you drew them both as "high"-"low"
feel free to ignore me and deal with more important experiments and explanations, i am just curious, and i'll figure this out when i get my hands dirty.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 13, 2009, 04:21:56 am
THIS IS HOW YOU PULSE IT
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 13, 2009, 04:25:08 am
haha well no problem but the first scope shot was taken yesterday at some unknown frequency.....the second shot was taken today at some unknown frequency.......that is why they are different.....i thought that was understood from when i posted them.....but if you look you will see the second one has more sqaure waves (higher frequency).......these are from 2 seperate days (post dates and times can be seen on this thread) you can get teh double pulse at any frequency so it does not matter when and where it starts as long as it is double......the voltage spike as i said earlier gave me an extra 20 volts.....i mention all of this in the posts......
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 13, 2009, 04:31:27 am
haha outlaw wow you are completely wrong...even your input pulse is completely wrong.....NICE TRY....so you think it is a step charging input eh?......READ THE TECH BRIEF......why is this such a difficult problem...i can't be here all day doing screengrabs for the lazy.......you and dankie are both wrong....im sorry but you are......i havae been working on this for over a year and have tried everything to get a double pulse as stated in the tech brief not some rectified crap......and now i havae exactly what stan talks about.....it is identical....and your saying i am connecting it wrong?......and then try and show me the wrong input signal?.....what is that a saw wave...ahaahah.....this is too much and i am tired of all this nonsense.
believe whatever it is that makes you feel like you "know" it.....
i am going to continue until it is finally done.
also: your photo doesn't show anything logical.....where is the input on the vic coil??? where is the output??? are you telling me only 2 wires come out of the coil?....and i like your magic scope connections.....i took the time to draw and label you should too.
YEAH TALK IN CAPS!
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 13, 2009, 04:38:07 am
Voltage Amplitude Control Circuit (50) Voltage amplitude control circuit (50) of Figure (3-5) performs several functions simultaneously: First, regulates car battery electrical voltage potential (32) of Figure (3-15) being applied to primary coil (26) of Figure (3-21); and secondly, regulates gas pressure of Fuel Cell (120) of Figure (3-22), as graphically depicted in Figure (3-15). Each regulatory stage (27) and (28) works separately and independent of each other but are! electronically linked or coupled together to produce a common analog signal (32) having a predetermined voltage level (32a xxx), as further shown in Figure (3-15).
Regulator stage (27) of circuit (50) converts battery voltage potential (29) of Figure (3-6) via electrical terminal (31) of Figure (3-5) as to Figure (3-6) into a analog voltage signal (32) of Figure (3-15) which corresponds to but is electrically isolated (crossover voltage from two separate power supplies) from incoming gas volume signal (23) of Figure (3-14), as shown in Figure (35). Variable voltage range (32a xxx 32n) from one (1) up to twelve (12) volts (regulating battery voltage) is applied across primary coil (26) of Voltage Intensifier Circuit (60) of Figure (3-21). Second regulator stage (28) simply acts and function as a gas regulator (33) by preventing Fuel Gas production beyond a predetermined gas pressure level (
ok thats for the positve side
Cell Driver Circuit (90) In either case, the resultant or varied pulse train (47a xxx 47n) (calibration of 44a xxx 44n) becomes incoming gated pulse signal (48) of figure (3-5) to cell driver circuit (90) of Figure (3-5) which performs a switching function by switching "off' and "on" electric ground being applied to opposite side (48) of primary coil (26) of Figure (3-19). The resultant pulse wave form (49a xxx 49n) of Figure (3-18) superimposed onto primary coil (26) is exact duplicate of proportional pulse train (47a xxx 47n). However, each pulse train (47) (49) are electrically isolated from each other. Only voltage cross-over from regulated power supply (150) of Figure (3-6) to battery supply (28) occurs, as illustrated in Figure (3-6).
you need to get off your high horse and stop thinking your 100 percent correct after 5 days
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 13, 2009, 04:48:33 am
I've decided I don't know enough to keep up with this topic at the current time. I'll be reading, and when I get going I'll start getting involved again.
You guys should just make a truce, and agree that we are all on the same team, here to learn, and help.
Read Stan Experiment Don't Fight Keep It Simple Stupid
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 13, 2009, 04:56:48 am
when being gated from both sides it allow the coil to go isolated from ground and battery.. your also getting the pure analog dc force as 1 solid pulse.. the negatives 10khz and up is what gates the analog out so when you have a solid pulse being gated wouldn't it created a second pulse since the analog input is only being gated in analog and doesnt stop its pulse during the negative gated frequency. just my opinion from reading the tech.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 13, 2009, 05:01:23 am
apperently you may not understand what you are quoting becuase that is exactly what is going on in my setup.
......if your so right start your project setion and prove it.
all you do is flood my work so far.
i am going to continue.....for so far i am right.
noe ego trip just pure scales....and mine are justified so far......you are only hollow words....i have tried....have you started?
stan is right.
i can tell you do not understand grounding.
this is science not light, god's will and magic.
light is the opposite direction of electrons.....honestly? keep that out of this thread.....PLEASE PLEASE START YOUR WORK AND PROVE YOUR THEORIES....and yes they are YOUR theories and NOT stans.
tomorrow i will get the audio amplifier.
and continue.
if you want to push and push your ways on every single thread then i will have to tell you to go somewhere else.....you have consistantly flooded with nonsense.....you have your own section post there.....NOT HERE.
save your mojambo talk for your own area.
this is my work on unipolar pulses and i have achieved it.
john's coil is 100% correct.
please you and dankie should prove your theories.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 13, 2009, 05:09:19 am
if im not mistaking you drew your pic with the positve side hooked staight to the batter with 1 gate being used on the negative side.. im sure if you sent the positve 12 volts into the vic as a analog gated pulse that matches the negative side you will get good results... which requires a gate on both sides.. not just the one you drew in your pic.. i dont want to fight.. i would love peace.. i just sense your aditude switch in the past 5 days.. please just consider what i copied and pasted from stans tech that specificaly highlights theres a analog signal going into the positve..
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 13, 2009, 06:17:35 am
this is my last post since you dont like what i have to say... but i wanted to say you state that there is no step up pulse and you have tried every way .. but doesnt it make since if you positve is being gated in analog pulses it would create the non seen step up pulse??? like the stongest pulse in analog positve would be a rising pulse from 1 up to 12 volts... while that occurs your gate on the negative side is gating that rising analog positve pulse from 10 khz and up on the same gate as the analog.. no more fighting and if you dont want to admit im right thats fine i dont care.. lets just proceed with what stans tech says that i have coppied and pasted
Regulator stage (27) of circuit (50) converts battery voltage potential (29) of Figure (3-6) via electrical terminal (31) of Figure (3-5) as to Figure (3-6) into a analog voltage signal (32) Variable voltage range (32a xxx 32n) from one (1) up to twelve (12) volts (regulating battery voltage) is applied across primary coil (26) of Voltage Intensifier Circuit (60) of Figure (3-21
incoming gated pulse signal (48) of figure (3-5) to cell driver circuit (90) of Figure (3-5) which performs a switching function by switching "off' and "on" electric ground being applied to opposite side (48) of primary coil (26)
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 13, 2009, 12:16:19 pm
Kinesis,
60hz AC = 120hz bumped DC (unregulated)
If you use the circuitboard of Stan, as shown in the schematic, you will see that it uses a frequency that is higher then the base bumps of the 120hz.
You do not end up with gates after 3 or 4 DC bumps, like on the drawing of Stan, but you get multiple gates in each bump.....if you know what i mean.
The circuit is used to set the pulse frequency. The 120hz or 100hz in my country, are the gates.
best regards Steve
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 13, 2009, 13:01:47 pm
It should output some sort rectified AM , somthing like this I think.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 13, 2009, 14:12:30 pm
Yes, Hydrogenmask. Its like that.
br Steve
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 13, 2009, 18:24:46 pm
Well you didnt report the experiments I wanted you to try , since I see you cannot interpret a doubling frequency correctly , I also wonder about your neutrality .
I would like you to show to me how it is you qualify something as "working" and "not working" when clearly neither result in production , I want you to dig deeper when you communicate with us terms like "not working" and "working"
Plz identify the caracteristics of each "properly" , as I asked you to in the beginning .
Take demartin as an example . Clearly identifies the caracteristics of both . Now I already know there is no power no nothing , I am quite happy with that , no electron flow=cold process .
but the weird thing is with this circuit is that i am unsure of how the resonant charging chokes will act in this manner.....since there is no second pulse to be created.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 13, 2009, 21:41:12 pm
Hi Kinesis,
Those 2 schematics are the only 2 real schematics of Stan, in my eyes.... They are very realistic. Not sure how much production it would deliver, but if i remember well, Puharich did almost 100% Faraday. Puharich used KOH.
I did this evening a re-run of the experiments of 2 years ago. Now with 2 years more experience, nothing new came out. I used a variac. Followed by a bridge rectifier. A switching FET on a 50% duty cycle. A diode and a Bifilair coil and 1 tubeset of 3 inches.
I seen again the AM look like signal on my scope. I playd with voltage levels and frequency's. I proved again that the bifcoil limits current. I seen very high spike of hundreds of volts across the tube. Sofar nothing....
I limite amps till 0.15amps. Voltage base from 12 till 75volts in test. Spikes of hundreds of volts. NOTHING special in production.
If you have that double pulse and if you can deliver that into a tube or platecell, then you might be very efficient. But please do always the strait DC test in watts to compare results.
br Steve
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 14, 2009, 00:23:29 am
that schematic figure 7 is for the gas resonant cavity.
hmmm i am still working on this voltage amplitude.
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 04, 2009, 23:08:08 pm
i have tried the other 2 bifilar windings one with orientation N to S to Cell and the other orientation S to N to cell with no success.
i am considering that there may have been a mistake in the direction of the windings in the secondary of john's coil......right hand rule ;)
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 05, 2009, 08:35:45 am
so come to find out the magnetic field orientation was not connnected correctly in the coil......this may have been the problem for many things......will test tomorrow.
see here (http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,763.msg10427.html#msg10427)
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 17, 2010, 21:18:08 pm
coming back to life
a way to apply unipolar pulses is have a transformer pulsed by a mosfet than rectify its output with full wave bridge rectifier... than feed to the next transformer...
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 17, 2010, 23:29:34 pm
its aliveee its aliveee lol
nice way of putting seb
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 22, 2010, 22:03:49 pm
or
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or this
$ 1 5.0E-6 0.42987889063095264 58 5.0 43 w 144 128 192 128 0 T 192 128 272 240 0 0.0010 30.0 -0.33022461378201595 -2.42861286636753E-17 T 400 128 496 240 0 2.5E-4 1.0 -3.555489236362064E-14 3.5712210098848285E-14 c 400 240 400 400 0 5.0E-8 193.6205233702931 w 272 240 272 400 0 w 496 400 400 400 0 v 144 128 144 240 0 1 1000.0 12.0 0.0 0.0 0.5 w 192 240 144 240 0 w 320 128 400 128 0 w 496 240 496 400 0 w 496 128 496 64 0 d 496 64 400 64 1 0.805904783 d 272 128 320 128 1 0.805904783 r 352 240 352 400 0 10000.0 w 352 400 400 400 0 w 352 400 272 400 0 w 352 240 400 240 0 w 400 64 400 240 0 o 3 2 0 35 640.0 0.4 0 -1
Note that if the rate of capacitance to resistance change, the effect disappear. .
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 23, 2010, 04:16:52 am
I found that it might be a rc resonance i was reading about it http://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/oscillator/rc_oscillator.html
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 23, 2010, 05:03:34 am
Something just crossed my mind
Man I thing i drop on something now
what if the inductance capacitance resistance of the coil forms together with water resistance and capacitance a 2nd order filter in resonance... matched to a lcr resonance too .... Stan used stainless steel wire and dielectric coating... (inductance capacitance resistance proprieties)
my lcr meter read now 2890 ohms on my water it don't read the capacitance but this can be calculated than the resonant frequency should be 1/RC
Thus if the capacitance was like 10nf (a big tube small gap) and resistance was 10kohm (ultra high purified water) the frequency would be exactly 10khz
Than we just need to match with the transformer a load of for 10kohm + resistance of secondary and coils and apply the voltage thru the coils ....
He knew no one would think about that=)
You understand that now A specific size of tube and there on a certain water purity and temperature will set up the parameters of the frequency... Stan said that the frequency would change with the different contaminants on the water... there is a frequency for any water .. thats why he said that ocean water could be used ...
tap water would be already in the megahertz range depending on the tube size.. . You just need to apply dc thru the right impedance matching and create tuned resonance too
He certainly used tri distilled water on his device to achieve 10 kohm as i seem to remember he mention it on the book somewhere...
Number of tubes in parallel even if you double the capacitance will also halve the resistance thus the frequency remain the same but the impedance change!!! So with maybe 10 tubes you could have a 1000 ohms load or so
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 23, 2010, 05:37:12 am
Thats why the resistor in series on the first patents
To match the impedance (impedance bridging)
Oh boy
I just learned what damping factor is and found why he used the coils resistance
damping factor is the like opposite of quality factor
the damping factor in audio dictates how much the back emf of the source is linked to the speaker.. And might be the same for water cause you need to allow it to oscillate... if you don't apply the right voltage with right frequency and right resonance it wont happen...
So basically the load impedance (water) must be lower than the source (vic) to allow the Q to b greater than 1
stan said 11,6 kohm per coil right? ? ? ? ?
well the answer is yes ...
Title: Re: unipolar pulse trains
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 23, 2010, 15:35:04 pm