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« Reply #40 on: March 22, 2009, 16:45:49 pm »
you know what, I've been thinking about this, and I think you are misunderstanding how it it works, even tho it may work as explained, i think you have the wrong idea in your head.

(http://www.stanford.edu/class/me220/data/lectures/lect08/fig4_2.gif)

here is a diagram of some parallel plates with an electric field in between them, q+ and q-, and as you see there is a gradient for the voltage perpendicular to the arrows, while the field lines are in the direction of the arrows, and only in one single line straight down the center is there "zero" volts, and everywhere else there is a + or - voltage.

so 20,000+ volts, and 20,000- volts will not cancle out for zero volts, that just isnt how it works, there is a voltage gradient and only at the center between the plates will you have zero volts.

picture this, you have a rock 20 feet above the ground, and you drop it, when it hits the ground, you are at zero
now picture you dig a hole 20 feet down, and you have the same rock 20 feet above the ground, and drop it, it will fall 20 feet to ground level, and then 20 feet down the hole, (-20 feet), but the rock fell a total of 40 feet

so 20+ volts PLUS 20- volts is 40 volts, not zero volts. the voltage does not cancel, it adds.

there is only one spot on the voltage gradient where you have zero volts, and that would be the same as in my explanation, of the ground level.

If you want to talk about electrical stress, then sure, the oxygen is being pulled one way, and the hydrogen the other way, but the voltage does not cancel.

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« Reply #41 on: March 22, 2009, 16:51:49 pm »
you know what, I've been thinking about this, and I think you are misunderstanding how it it works, even tho it may work as explained, i think you have the wrong idea in your head.

(http://www.stanford.edu/class/me220/data/lectures/lect08/fig4_2.gif)

here is a diagram of some parallel plates with an electric field in between them, q+ and q-, and as you see there is a gradient for the voltage perpendicular to the arrows, while the field lines are in the direction of the arrows, and only in one single line straight down the center is there "zero" volts, and everywhere else there is a + or - voltage.

so 20,000+ volts, and 20,000- volts will not cancle out for zero volts, that just isnt how it works, there is a voltage gradient and only at the center between the plates will you have zero volts.

picture this, you have a rock 20 feet above the ground, and you drop it, when it hits the ground, you are at zero
now picture you dig a hole 20 feet down, and you have the same rock 20 feet above the ground, and drop it, it will fall 20 feet to ground level, and then 20 feet down the hole, (-20 feet), but the rock fell a total of 40 feet

so 20+ volts PLUS 20- volts is 40 volts, not zero volts. the voltage does not cancel, it adds.

there is only one spot on the voltage gradient where you have zero volts, and that would be the same as in my explanation, of the ground level.

If you want to talk about electrical stress, then sure, the oxygen is being pulled one way, and the hydrogen the other way, but the voltage does not cancel.

There is 0 current flow in the circuit when you connect 2  equal batteries + and + .

There is added current flow when you connect them + -

A perfectly done bifilar will induce a field on itself and cancel itself .

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« Reply #42 on: March 22, 2009, 17:03:18 pm »
i assume you are talking about this diagram, which you sent me before, where you have pulses of equal and opposite voltage, if you put this across the plates you will have double the voltage.

and if you think it is a good idea to cancel out the electromagnetic field in the chokes then you have the wrong idea again, the magnetic field of the chokes is to restrict electron flow, what you really want to do is magnify the electromagnetic field as much as possible

if you read tesla's patent on bifilar coils then you will see there are several different ways to wire a bifilar, and if you do it backwards then yes, you will cancel out the electromagnetic field completely, and allow electrons to flow without electromagnetic restriction, which doesn't make any sense if you go to all the effort of using resistive wire to help impede the electron flow and then eliminate your fabulous electromagnetic field

you must wire them bifilar to magnify the electromagnetic field, not eliminate it, otherwise it's not a CHOKE

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« Reply #43 on: March 22, 2009, 17:10:37 pm »
i assume you are talking about this diagram, which you sent me before, where you have pulses of equal and opposite voltage, if you put this across the plates you will have double the voltage.

and if you think it is a good idea to cancel out the electromagnetic field in the chokes then you have the wrong idea again, the magnetic field of the chokes is to restrict electron flow, what you really want to do is magnify the electromagnetic field as much as possible

if you read tesla's patent on bifilar coils then you will see there are several different ways to wire a bifilar, and if you do it backwards then yes, you will cancel out the electromagnetic field completely, and allow electrons to flow without electromagnetic restriction, which doesn't make any sense if you go to all the effort of using resistive wire to help impede the electron flow and then eliminate your fabulous electromagnetic field

you must wire them bifilar to magnify the electromagnetic field, not eliminate it, otherwise it's not a CHOKE

Lets say you just split the signal from the secondary , each choke has its source , both cancel out at the same time .

Never mind the bifilar .

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« Reply #44 on: March 22, 2009, 17:13:34 pm »
can you explain exactly what you are trying to "cancel"?

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« Reply #45 on: March 22, 2009, 17:15:58 pm »
can you explain exactly what you are trying to "cancel"?

Its very simple , exactly the same waveform , vols/amps , on both sides of the water capacitor. Everything is equals but its in opposing directions  . No current flow .

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« Reply #46 on: March 22, 2009, 17:22:34 pm »
(http://www.tpub.com/neets/book1/chapter1/1-7.gif)

well you should stop using the word cancel then

even with two + charges you wont get a "canceling" effect, it'll be pure repulsion