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Stanley Meyer => Stanley Meyer => Topic started by: Steve on March 20, 2009, 11:07:23 am
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Hi folks,
Well, i am dropping the bom, right now, right here.
Look at page 15 of the pdf viewer or page 13 of his patent.
Line 1 till 10 of that page.
He states:
he hooked up his hydrogen generator to his powersource. ( probably a battery)
Then he used the alternator and hooked it up to that generator and he could compensate the powerconsumtion drastically from his battery.
The question to you all: Do you read the same as i do?
br
Steve
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the AMPs come out of the water, the water is an electrical source as well as a gas source.
In electrolysis you put amps into the water to stabilize the atoms after they separate so the atoms get filled up with electrons and wont join up again.
In the wfc you take amps out of the water to destabilize the atoms after they separate so the atoms remain repulsively charged and wont join up again.
(180 degrees out of phase)
Stan says in the NZ video if you put 100 volts across the the EEC you can pull 100 amps out of the water for 10 kW of power.
The high voltage breakdown of the water molecules release electrons into the water bath which can be considered amp-flow, but it is a result, and not a cause.
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I agree with Stevie...
After 2 years experimenting, I just don't see how anyone will be able to put any high voltage low amps across water, to cause it to break using voltage potential only....
I hope someone will prove me wrong.
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Thats because you are just not innovating Jolt , This is a phycal process on the water molecule , not a chemical one , remember that . The molecule is moving in a certain way and being affected by certain forces , *voltage* is the tool Stan used , let voltage do work .
Theres this opposing wave that can be replicated by anyone and has been proven to have exactly the same waveform , in the best condition this always results on 0 voltage across the cell , this does something to the water . But that alone wont produce gas , we know this ...
So now we must work by elimination ., there is a sequence here where the molecule is weakened at some point in time and thats when we *pull* with our real voltage . You have to understand this and stop thinkin *dielectric breakdown by voltage* ... You have to stop banging your head against the wall , everytime you get hurt and there is blood on the floor , you must find a new way to break the wall .
I made a montage of what I think the Stephen meyers waveform represents , not sure if this is good .
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Well, thank you people for responding on your own ways, but NOBODY respons to the text I found.
Please do read it carefull!
And please tell me what you read!
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Steve
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That text is nothing , nothing but contradiction...
Stan Meyers uncovered ALOT of stuff in ten years , he discovered the secret to the creation of the universe in 10 years trust me .
That patent is nothing .
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Well Dankie, I respect your opinion, you may be right. but I have been there and done that and exausted all my abilities...
Maybe one day I will return to HV Low Amps testing... but for now I will be working on it known and proven to work
High AMPS Low volts.
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May be right ?
I am right , I am sure of this .
It might not be exactly as I say it is but its along those lines , this opposing wave is doing something .
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Great.
I hope you can show us a video soon.
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Great.
I hope you can show us a video soon.
I am the inspirator , somebody will get inspired by this new knowledge , somebody here most likely .
When I am right , I know I am right , there can be no doubting me .
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Ok Dankie, Ok.
You doing a great Job inspiring.
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Ok Dankie, Ok.
You doing a great Job inspiring.
thx bro , I appreciate .
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stan points out ways that its not a amp current causing the work.. but your on the right path by focusing on this perspective. he points it out for instance in one of his videos when hes talking about the hydrogen fracturing process. the electron extractor being a single high positve single tube with no neg .. being posistioned at the exit port of electrical stress and laser energy on HFP.. it takes in the ejected electrons.into the circuit.. stan has a switching circuit that switched sedcondarys potential output between led(laser energy) and the choke. it is not a amp producer but a amp consumer.. the leds on time allows the electrons to flow threw them and consume them to produce photons.. so now you have a way to help rid the entering electrons entering positive choke without the power source having to do the work. and its making you another energy form that is needed. copper is 29 electrons and 29 protons. emf displaces the electrons of atoms, when rectified it allows only one directional flow for them electrons.. now were creating difference in potential.. not osvillating electron difference in potential(like alternating current). so when you displace them atoms in the isolated chokes.. (isolated electrical stress air gap"air ionization".) the positive choke during high voltage probly has like 20 electrons and 29 protons per atom from the emf displacement. by pullsed pumping action of one directional flow. if positive has only 20 electrons then the negative choke should have around 38 electrons and 29 protons.. thats a proportional difference which a isolated circuit should have... now if your electron extractor is hooked to a positive choke that has a displacement of about 9 electrons then it is a vacuum force on the electrons so it sucks them in.. but when they get sucked in it will throw your proportional difference off in your chokes.. it will cause the system to wanna produce current.. so they must be consumed.. what better way then to make it efficient.. you make it where your amp consumption is producing another energy form to make your system even more efficient hfp. this just hit me as i am typing.. i flashed to a dream i had last night .. and it just made me focus on the gas gun.. it has chokes on it.. so its chokes are not incorporated in vic 6-1.????? the chokes are wrapped where the fuel gas passes through them before and after laser and electrical stress. think on that.
outlawstc
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welp hydro that probably depends on how much quenching's going on huh? since voltage wave guides act as a quenching circuit???
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Hi,
I am a bit surprised by Dankie's reaction. First, we have to believe all whats written by Stan and now half of whats written by Stan is crap?
I do not have a problem with changing views on things, Dankie. No problem at all. ;)
@ Donald
In theory, we all hope to get some amps from the water. I know what Stan said, but i doubt his formula.
Till sofar i can confirm that I pulled a 10% of power out of the water, with my EEC circuit, compared to the input.
Not sure if we can get to the stage of 100V by 100amps.... Where did Stan get that idea?
Anybody?
@ Outlaw
Your explanation maybe something. However, my question on what that european Patent says stills wait for an answer.
Kinesis?
@ Electrojolt
Talk to you soon!
@All
The attached patent doesnt tell anything on using an EEC. It tells that the hydrogen generator used in that kind of setup is using amps and that the output of the alternator cannot compensate fully the power needed by the system....at least, in my point of view.
br
Steve
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Considering all the progress made on the VIC lately, I don't see any point for this discussion, in a month or two we'll know for sure what's going on with this VIC Coil, since it is the heart of all the WFC technology.
I do think that you have to trust Stan if you really want to understand him and his technology. I've watched his videos at least 3-4 times each, and every time they make more and more sense. Stan explains things in the videos that are not in the Patents.
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Listen, i really appriciate the work that is done on the VIC.
I really do. Keep on going. I do too.
However, my question was if you guys read the same as i did when you read that patent.
Or are my eyes making a foul out of me?
br
Steve
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What ever method used, we need to be able to produce Hydrogen efficiently...
I agree, those working on VIC, keep at it, you may uncuver something that many of US missed.
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We would lose less time if we would just all agree that the opposing wave is acting upon the water molecule . When everybody stops ignoring this I will be happy , from then on we can work by elimination .
I hate this negativism , lets not start turning in circles again .
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We would lose less time if we would just all agree that the opposing wave is acting upon the water molecule . When everybody stops ignoring this I will be happy , from then on we can work by elimination .
I hate this negativism , lets not start turning in circles again .
Dankie, those opposing volts, is that not like using a 7812 with a 7912 regulator?
At the end, its all like having a potential difference between poles...except when you use the zero...
br
steve
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page 152 stan meyre full data
The resultant Dynamic Voltage Potential of Difference (opposite electrical attraction force) (SS' -
617 •... RR') is in balance phase of equal electrical intensity (66 = 67) of opposite polarity (positive
electrical voltage potential _66 equals negative electrical Voltage potential 66 since the voltage
Coefficient of Inductance (FL1/FL2), Voltage Coefficient of Capacitance (Cd1/Cd2), and voltage
Coefficient of Resistance (Rs1/Rs2) across choke coils (L1/L2) are the same values ... allowing,
Voltage Bounce Phenomenon (700) of Figure (7-9) to be preformed.
potential of difference..
this next quote is what i have been saying this whole time and needs to be understood. its what dankies talking about as well.. its what we need to realize.. that is stans example on the atomic level...
""Magnetic Field Coupling (71) of Figure (7-9) entering into and passing through Secondary
Coil-winding (52) of Figure (7-8) causes and produces copper ions (643a xxx 643n) (Positive
Charged atoms 542a xxx 542n having missing electrons) when moving external electromagnetic
field strength (71a xxx 7In) is sufficient enough to dislodge electromagnetically charged electrons
(64Ia xxx 64In) from copper atoms making up copper wire material (52). Collectively, the resultant
positive electrical charged copper ions (642a xxx 642n) added together produces Positive Voltage
Potential (629) being electrically applied to choke-coil (56); whereas, the "Liberated" negative
electrical charged electrons (64Ia xxx 64In) added together provides Negative Voltage Potential (631) to the opposite end of Secondary Wire (52) being electrically connected to choke
coil (62). Once Secondary Coil-winding (52) is de-energized by the removal (collapsing magnetic
field during pulse off-time T2 of external Magnetic Field (71), the dislodged electrons (641a xx
641n) return to positive charged copper ions (642a xx 642n) ... terminating and switching off
opposite voltage potential (629 - 631) when positive electrical state of the copper atoms changes
back to net electrical charge of zero. Sustaining and maintaining the resultant induced Voltage
Potential (Vo - Vn) without "Electron Discharged" (inhibiting electron flow) through Choke Coil
(62) while, at the same time, inhibiting (preventing) any additional or other electrons from entering
into Secondary copper wire-zone (52) by way of Choke Coil (56) is herein called "Electron Bounce
Phenomenon" (EbP), as illustrated in (700) of Figure (7-9).""
""Collectively, the resultant
positive electrical charged copper ions (642a xxx 642n) added together produces Positive Voltage""
key words ions added together... to add them together there is a real number count of copper atoms that can be positive chaged present for a given length of wire.. thats what stan means by capacitance fellas..
now realy focus on how he says collectivley added together.. means more room more capaciticance.
this is whats happening in the chokes on a atomic level.. to create difference.
outlawstc
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What I read in the patent of the first post is:
the combustion cycle generates power by coupling it to an alternator, this power is fed back to the hydrogen generator, so less current is needed from the power source itself.
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What I read in the patent of the first post is:
the combustion cycle generates power by coupling it to an alternator, this power is fed back to the hydrogen generator, so less current is needed from the power source itself.
Thank you!
steve
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No problem, guess we read the same, but I can't conclude from this amps are being used, only that his 302807 hydrogen generator is fed by the output power of the system.
Don't know what the output of the hydrogen generator of 302807 looks like, can't find this patent
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What ever method used, we need to be able to produce Hydrogen efficiently...
I agree, those working on VIC, keep at it, you may uncuver something that many of US missed.
I have read many times that you tried opposite HV with insulated electrodes.
If you still have this setup, you could try to "extract" electrons or charge or whatever from between the isolation, maybe a lamp will do, and see what happens.
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[I have read many times that you tried opposite HV with insulated electrodes.
If you still have this setup, you could try to "extract" electrons or charge or whatever from between the isolation, maybe a lamp will do, and see what happens.
Alan,
I no longer have that setup toguether. When I tested, I used 2 HV tv coils as my HV source, so I know I was testing with about 50KV. when I applied the 50KV to 100% insulated plates, I could see the water move up the plates... similar to what you see in the water bridge video on youtube.
I then added non insulated electrodes and applied several pulsing voltages and freq, to see if water would break easier. didn't observe any thing.
I also used some Red Lazers, LEDs... no luck.
But this does not say that it will not work.... just that I could not make it work, maybe I needed to do something else.
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[I have read many times that you tried opposite HV with insulated electrodes.
If you still have this setup, you could try to "extract" electrons or charge or whatever from between the isolation, maybe a lamp will do, and see what happens.
Alan,
I no longer have that setup toguether. When I tested, I used 2 HV tv coils as my HV source, so I know I was testing with about 50KV. when I applied the 50KV to 100% insulated plates, I could see the water move up the plates... similar to what you see in the water bridge video on youtube.
I then added non insulated electrodes and applied several pulsing voltages and freq, to see if water would break easier. didn't observe any thing.
I also used some Red Lazers, LEDs... no luck.
But this does not say that it will not work.... just that I could not make it work, maybe I needed to do something else.
You mean you had a 50kv voltage *difference* across the water and it did nothing .
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You mean you had a 50kv voltage *difference* across the water and it did nothing .
That is 100% correct. there was a 50KV voltage field across water (100% insulated electrodes) and nothing.
now there are someguys also testing with insulated electrodes on the overunity forum, but they using Varnish as the insulator, I have also tested this, and yes you can bring your voltage higher, but any bobbles you see are not created by voltage potential, but by current leaks into the water, so it is just electrolysis, and a very inefficient one.
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electrojolt,
was the 50 kv dc pulsed in a step up pulse? when dankie say's "difference" this difference he speaks of is not used in conventional electric that has oscillating difference.. its difference being produced on a atomic level. caused by electron clustering that stan speaks of..
@stevie
i like the patent you brought to my attention, i just finished reading it.. from what i gather i feel stan doesnt go into detail to much with the electric in figures but it points out all the most important factors of the system.
out of the patent:
application of patent "is for a combustion system having utility (the state or quality of being useful) in a mechanical drive system"
stan is taking a overlooked perspective and is trying to show it.. stop thinking electric can only work in closed loop with electric.. stans system works in multiple closed loop Energy transfers.. he has thought of them all.. the closed loop the motors mechanical drive shares with power production in the alternator is considered feedback.
" the hydrogen atoms are diassociated from the water molecule by the application of non regulated, non filtered, low power, direct current voltage electrical potential" i would say provided by 3phase dc rectifided alternator.. the 120 out phases imitate pure dc.
it is controled by the following factors,
"varying voltage, varying pulse rate, varying spaces between plates, switching the number of plates, and plate configuration"
outlawstc
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electrojolt,
was the 50 kv dc pulsed in a step up pulse? when dankie say's "difference" this difference he speaks of is not used in conventional electric that has oscillating difference.. its difference being produced on a atomic level. caused by electron clustering that stan speaks of..
The 50Kv was DC pulsed, since the electrodes where 100% insulated, I had a 100% HV capacitor, so it would take some time to charge, so there was a step charge.
Now when you talk about atomic level, that is way over my head.... maybe that is why it didn't work. Since I don't understand what Stan means by his jargon.
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Hi,
I believe in low amp and are working on it now whatever the patents says.
There is endless many things we can try...... so keep it up
Best regards
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what i mean by on the atomic level is the potentials are present do to the imbalance of charge in the chokes.. that imbalance is a electron imbalance from the displacement of them out of positive choke. you can have volts without that in ac current but its being produced by the oscilation of electrons.. not by displacement. there somthin not yet understood with the reasons why insulated plates under high voltage doesnt work.. the stainless is not is insulated but it has properties to it that help restrict amp flow (silicon) but allow the vacuum and push electrical forces to be in the water.. maybe?? you really got to think of if it were that simple wouldnt stan of done it that way? in stephen meyers radio session he starts to talk about the stainless and somthing to do with the structure within the stainless and how the process is cold rolled to make the material..i need to listen to it again..
outlawstc
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[I have read many times that you tried opposite HV with insulated electrodes.
If you still have this setup, you could try to "extract" electrons or charge or whatever from between the isolation, maybe a lamp will do, and see what happens.
Alan,
I no longer have that setup toguether. When I tested, I used 2 HV tv coils as my HV source, so I know I was testing with about 50KV. when I applied the 50KV to 100% insulated plates, I could see the water move up the plates... similar to what you see in the water bridge video on youtube.
I then added non insulated electrodes and applied several pulsing voltages and freq, to see if water would break easier. didn't observe any thing.
I also used some Red Lazers, LEDs... no luck.
But this does not say that it will not work.... just that I could not make it work, maybe I needed to do something else.
2 HV tv coils, a while ago you said on wfc.org 50 TV which I read as teravolts :) no doubt that would break some water apart.
The added non insulated electrodes test is interesting, how approximately did you place them?
These were added between to the insulated cells, right?
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2 HV tv coils, a while ago you said on wfc.org 50 TV which I read as teravolts :) no doubt that would break some water apart.
The added non insulated electrodes test is interesting, how approximately did you place them?
These were added between to the insulated cells, right?
50 TV... no that must have been a typo. I can't even Imagine what that would do, I'm sure I would not be alive to talk about it.
yes, the added non insulated electrodes (just wires) where placed between the other insulated electrodes.
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what i mean by on the atomic level is the potentials are present do to the imbalance of charge in the chokes.. that imbalance is a electron imbalance from the displacement of them out of positive choke. you can have volts without that in ac current but its being produced by the oscilation of electrons.. not by displacement. there somthin not yet understood with the reasons why insulated plates under high voltage doesnt work.. the stainless is not is insulated but it has properties to it that help restrict amp flow (silicon) but allow the vacuum and push electrical forces to be in the water.. maybe?? you really got to think of if it were that simple wouldnt stan of done it that way? in stephen meyers radio session he starts to talk about the stainless and somthing to do with the structure within the stainless and how the process is cold rolled to make the material..i need to listen to it again..
outlawstc
Outlawstc,
Thanks for the atempt to explain your point of view. Maybe one day I will get to understand.
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the simplest way to say it is electrons create negative electrical force when compacted in insulated wire of exsess (Push on electrons) 29protons and 29 electrons is 0 volts(neutral) to be electrical negative charged you must have a consistancy of over 29 electrons..
holes which are copper atoms missing electrons (emf stripped) have a positive force (vacuum pull on electrons) so the more missing electrons creating holes gives more positive electrical force..
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Interresting read :
Quote from aquapulser :
http://www.aquapulser.com/research.html
Stan's VIC unit that incorporated the bifilar chokes was for use not with his tubular cell set up but with his water fuel injector. The output of this unit is single phase and there are no harmonics involved, however it must also be said that Stan instead uses laser light and so there is definitely some sort of phase conjugation going on with both the alternator cell set up and the VIC water fuel injector which is a conjugated laser cavity. Scalar effects are produced byphase conjugating a wave by 180 degrees to cancel out the energy, yet it produces a "stress wave" that can have physical effects. This is very similar to Meyer's mirored pulses that one gets with the rectified output of the Alternator. Click here to learn more about phase conjugation.
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dankie,
can you give me a brief deffinition in your own words describing these scalar waves? i havent read a whole lot on them and i feel like you can probly point out key points like what is forming a scalar wave and what nots. paint the canvas for me buddy,
thanks,
outlawstc
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im reading into it and have found some interesting things.. look these terms up in wiki
Spontaneous symmetry breaking, Scalar field, differential form. differential geometry
i was thinking deep i min ago.... if i were to try to explain electric travel in wire from the electrons point of veiw.. put your self in the electrons shoes .. your being forced by emf back and forth in alternating current.. but are still moving forward up the hot leg at the same time. for a negative potential of electrons to travel they have to either be grounding out to earth (vacuum) at our homes or being forced by emf. i would say there going to ground.. but in order to stay moving in that direction would your forward potential(push) up swing be higher then your pull?..i would say yes.. and i would also be inclined to say that the higher upswing in ac gives the differential to show voltage.. that sounds like the most frictionist resistive way to use power(not send, but use), plus your not working with true high and low potential's
now this is how i see it from the electrons shoes in stans set up
to encounter a true positive potential and you are a electron it is like falling in the sky.. the floor comes out from under you.. weightless feeling.. to be the electron being forced into the negative choke its like going up in the space shuttle.. theres force needed.. now think about this.. those two forces on the atom effect the atom with the same forces working both ways.. but the key to understanding is that the positve particles feel like falling towards the force side of electric(negative) and the electrons want to fall to the positve.. they both incounter there falling in opposite direction!!.. but with both forces being present they arent just feeling the fall, there's also force behind it. so its like they have a jet pack and are doing a nose dive. force with fall.
that fall feeling can only be constant when it is pure.. the positive wound choke should never be thown into a negative state.. 0 and up.. with the 3 phases of the alternator working together is what creates the pure posiitve potential in the positve plate.. even though one phase might be hitting 0 the others being 120 out one of them is maintaining a high potential in the plate. a constant fall.. and from what stan says the more pure potential with less ripples the more efficient since its not dealing with snapping action. he called it a clipped pulse train?
outlawstc
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dankie,
can you give me a brief deffinition in your own words describing these scalar waves? i havent read a whole lot on them and i feel like you can probly point out key points like what is forming a scalar wave and what nots. paint the canvas for me buddy,
thanks,
outlawstc
Its not scalar waves , its opposing currents , just like two batteries in opposition , normally they cancel out . Now take this with 20,000 volts pressure , both in opposition .
The energy is cancelled out , its pointless to do this normally . But this has physical effects on the water and I believe that the tubes repel eachother vry very fast .
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you know what, I've been thinking about this, and I think you are misunderstanding how it it works, even tho it may work as explained, i think you have the wrong idea in your head.
(http://www.stanford.edu/class/me220/data/lectures/lect08/fig4_2.gif)
here is a diagram of some parallel plates with an electric field in between them, q+ and q-, and as you see there is a gradient for the voltage perpendicular to the arrows, while the field lines are in the direction of the arrows, and only in one single line straight down the center is there "zero" volts, and everywhere else there is a + or - voltage.
so 20,000+ volts, and 20,000- volts will not cancle out for zero volts, that just isnt how it works, there is a voltage gradient and only at the center between the plates will you have zero volts.
picture this, you have a rock 20 feet above the ground, and you drop it, when it hits the ground, you are at zero
now picture you dig a hole 20 feet down, and you have the same rock 20 feet above the ground, and drop it, it will fall 20 feet to ground level, and then 20 feet down the hole, (-20 feet), but the rock fell a total of 40 feet
so 20+ volts PLUS 20- volts is 40 volts, not zero volts. the voltage does not cancel, it adds.
there is only one spot on the voltage gradient where you have zero volts, and that would be the same as in my explanation, of the ground level.
If you want to talk about electrical stress, then sure, the oxygen is being pulled one way, and the hydrogen the other way, but the voltage does not cancel.
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you know what, I've been thinking about this, and I think you are misunderstanding how it it works, even tho it may work as explained, i think you have the wrong idea in your head.
(http://www.stanford.edu/class/me220/data/lectures/lect08/fig4_2.gif)
here is a diagram of some parallel plates with an electric field in between them, q+ and q-, and as you see there is a gradient for the voltage perpendicular to the arrows, while the field lines are in the direction of the arrows, and only in one single line straight down the center is there "zero" volts, and everywhere else there is a + or - voltage.
so 20,000+ volts, and 20,000- volts will not cancle out for zero volts, that just isnt how it works, there is a voltage gradient and only at the center between the plates will you have zero volts.
picture this, you have a rock 20 feet above the ground, and you drop it, when it hits the ground, you are at zero
now picture you dig a hole 20 feet down, and you have the same rock 20 feet above the ground, and drop it, it will fall 20 feet to ground level, and then 20 feet down the hole, (-20 feet), but the rock fell a total of 40 feet
so 20+ volts PLUS 20- volts is 40 volts, not zero volts. the voltage does not cancel, it adds.
there is only one spot on the voltage gradient where you have zero volts, and that would be the same as in my explanation, of the ground level.
If you want to talk about electrical stress, then sure, the oxygen is being pulled one way, and the hydrogen the other way, but the voltage does not cancel.
There is 0 current flow in the circuit when you connect 2 equal batteries + and + .
There is added current flow when you connect them + -
A perfectly done bifilar will induce a field on itself and cancel itself .
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i assume you are talking about this diagram, which you sent me before, where you have pulses of equal and opposite voltage, if you put this across the plates you will have double the voltage.
and if you think it is a good idea to cancel out the electromagnetic field in the chokes then you have the wrong idea again, the magnetic field of the chokes is to restrict electron flow, what you really want to do is magnify the electromagnetic field as much as possible
if you read tesla's patent on bifilar coils then you will see there are several different ways to wire a bifilar, and if you do it backwards then yes, you will cancel out the electromagnetic field completely, and allow electrons to flow without electromagnetic restriction, which doesn't make any sense if you go to all the effort of using resistive wire to help impede the electron flow and then eliminate your fabulous electromagnetic field
you must wire them bifilar to magnify the electromagnetic field, not eliminate it, otherwise it's not a CHOKE
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i assume you are talking about this diagram, which you sent me before, where you have pulses of equal and opposite voltage, if you put this across the plates you will have double the voltage.
and if you think it is a good idea to cancel out the electromagnetic field in the chokes then you have the wrong idea again, the magnetic field of the chokes is to restrict electron flow, what you really want to do is magnify the electromagnetic field as much as possible
if you read tesla's patent on bifilar coils then you will see there are several different ways to wire a bifilar, and if you do it backwards then yes, you will cancel out the electromagnetic field completely, and allow electrons to flow without electromagnetic restriction, which doesn't make any sense if you go to all the effort of using resistive wire to help impede the electron flow and then eliminate your fabulous electromagnetic field
you must wire them bifilar to magnify the electromagnetic field, not eliminate it, otherwise it's not a CHOKE
Lets say you just split the signal from the secondary , each choke has its source , both cancel out at the same time .
Never mind the bifilar .
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can you explain exactly what you are trying to "cancel"?
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can you explain exactly what you are trying to "cancel"?
Its very simple , exactly the same waveform , vols/amps , on both sides of the water capacitor. Everything is equals but its in opposing directions . No current flow .
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(http://www.tpub.com/neets/book1/chapter1/1-7.gif)
well you should stop using the word cancel then
even with two + charges you wont get a "canceling" effect, it'll be pure repulsion
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Yes , repulsion
Intense repulsive force , pulsed .
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ok, if it is repulsion, then you are not using that waveform i just posted, those are equal and opposite voltages, which add together, increasing stress pulling on the water molecule.
if you want a pure repulsion waveform then both plates would have to get the same positive pulses, or same negative pulses.
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ok, if it is repulsion, then you are not using that waveform i just posted, those are equal and opposite voltages, which add together, increasing stress pulling on the water molecule.
if you want a pure repulsion waveform then both plates would have to get the same positive pulses, or same negative pulses.
Its the same opposite that David Serada interviewed the guy who had the thing that fell slower than normal gravity , that kind of opposite .
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E fields vectors are canceled out in the middle, where at the same time the stress is strongest.
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Its exactly like our genius unkown god friend 2curious4WFC says it is , this is a pm from him , it dates a few months . Most people remember this , I understand your confusion .
2curious is an RF engineer @ waterfuelcell.org .
Here is a pm from 2curious , most of you probably read this but I want you guys to read it again ?
Theres a double resonance here ... Just Look @ 2curious's sig
don't get me wrong, but can you please cut down on the PM a little bit as I have no time left for other things.
Thanks.
TWO, resonances, yes. An electrical one, used to achieve high voltage with little effort.
And an acoustical one (or mechanical if you will), eg. oscillation of particles.(the nucleus and electrons of the atoms)
Yes, it does makes things more complex, that's why many seem to have trouble. This SM
WFC is not a joke, it is quite cutting edge. Too much for most.
my question to him : I'm not really sure what Stan means anymore by *negative voltages* , could this possibly be 2 opposite currents colliding inside the cell , or does this just mean more potential difference like a house +120 and -120 = 240 volt difference Huh Maybe this circuit have bipolar currents of same time phase and equal intensity , Plz have a look at this quote ....
Right, you got it. Two equal AND opposite voltages (or minor currents if you will) with respect to
a virtual ground, as per SM quote.
Yes, they arrive at the same time in the cell. So particles (or molecules if you will are been stressed
equally from each electrode).
So your example is not quite right !!! Correct it would be: +120V + -120V = 0V
So, look at figure 10-5. See it now ? See how he shows a mirror image of the positive waveform vs. the negative waveform and in the center line exactly zero ?
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yes, like i said the zero volts is exactly down the center of that diagram of the parallel plates, this means you have positive voltage on one side that pulls on the negative oxygen, and one side that is negative that pulls on the positive hydrogen.
if you had +20 and 0 volts on the plates then there would be an unequal stress on the water molecule, because you have all positive voltage between the plates, only the negative oxygen would be pulled on, and the positive hydrogen would not be pulled on, but instead repelled from everywhere inside the plates.
i don't think you understand yourself what you are trying to say.
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yes, like i said the zero volts is exactly down the center of that diagram of the parallel plates, this means you have positive voltage on one side that pulls on the negative oxygen, and one side that is negative that pulls on the positive hydrogen.
if you had +20 and 0 volts on the plates then there would be an unequal stress on the water molecule, because you have all positive voltage between the plates, only the negative oxygen would be pulled on, and the positive hydrogen would not be pulled on, but instead repelled from everywhere inside the plates.
i don't think you understand yourself what you are trying to say.
Right, you got it. Two equal AND opposite voltages (or minor currents if you will) with respect to
a virtual ground, as per SM quote
It is opposing in the sense of 2 opposing current = no current . And that creates a State region in state space .
If you continue arguing with me those basic facts I will begin to think you are from the MIB lol . I know it doesnt make sense but its like that .
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protons and electrons are items of opposite characteristics but they are drawn to that opposition. they are drawn in such a manner they fall towards each other. like charges repel each other in a forcing manner.
the charges of the atoms reaction to these fields are of exact OPPOSITE they want to fall in opposite directions cause in that supperimpossing state of space there gravitational forces oppose.. the dynamic pulse is the shizznet. because your not relying on just the positve pulse which only pulls on the electron without the neg pushing force helping.. the negative pulse helps push the electrons the way they are being pulled while pulling on the protons(nucleus). start to think on what defines are up and down in our reality for gravity and how it can be altered. potential placement is everything
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protons and electrons are items of opposite characteristics but they are drawn to that opposition. they are drawn in such a manner they fall towards each other. like charges repel each other in a forcing manner.
the charges of the atoms reaction to these fields are of exact OPPOSITE they want to fall in opposite directions cause in that supperimpossing state of space there gravitational forces oppose.. the dynamic pulse is the shizznet. because your not relying on just the positve pulse which only pulls on the electron without the neg pushing force helping.. the negative pulse helps push the electrons the way they are being pulled while pulling on the protons(nucleus). start to think on what defines are up and down in our reality for gravity and how it can be altered. potential placement is everything
Hmm I'm lost .
If Donald is right can somebody plz explain to me what Hdemartin means .
There is either 0 volts across the cell or there is double voltage , what opposite is the good one .
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Dankie, there is only one current flow, and it is a vector quantity which means it has a direction and a magnitude.
it's direction is from + to -, (where electrons flow opposite to current by definition), and it's magnitude is an "ideal" zero.
Imagine you have a copper rod, and you take all the electrons from one end and put them in the other end, you will have + at one end, and an equal - at the other end. now say you don't let them move, you have an equal and opposite voltage between the ends of the copper rod.
I just want you to understand the basics.
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Electrostatic induction hypothesis
According to the electrostatic induction hypothesis charges are driven apart by as-yet uncertain processes. Charge separation appears to require strong updrafts which carry water droplets upward, supercooling them to between -10 and -20 °C. These collide with ice crystals to form a soft ice-water mixture called graupel. The collisions result in a slight positive charge being transferred to ice crystals, and a slight negative charge to the graupel. Updrafts drive the less heavy ice crystals upwards, causing the cloud top to accumulate increasing positive charge. Gravity causes the heavier negatively charged graupel to fall toward the middle and lower portions of the cloud, building up an increasing negative charge. Charge separation and accumulation continue until the electrical potential becomes sufficient to initiate a lightning discharge, which occurs when the distribution of positive and negative charges forms a sufficiently strong electric field.[13]
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Dankie, there is only one current flow, and it is a vector quantity which means it has a direction and a magnitude.
it's direction is from + to -, (where electrons flow opposite to current by definition), and it's magnitude is an "ideal" zero.
Imagine you have a copper rod, and you take all the electrons from one end and put them in the other end, you will have + at one end, and an equal - at the other end. now say you don't let them move, you have an equal and opposite voltage between the ends of the copper rod.
I just want you to understand the basics.
Reading Hdemartin's words again , he means 0 voltage , 0 current flow whatsoever .
I am indeed interpreting this correctly .
2curious , hdemartin , have all come to the same conclusion as me , these are smart people .
This is what Aquapulser has to say about this .
http://www.aquapulser.com/research.html
Stan's VIC unit that incorporated the bifilar chokes was for use not with his tubular cell set up but with his water fuel injector. The output of this unit is single phase and there are no harmonics involved, however it must also be said that Stan instead uses laser light and so there is definitely some sort of phase conjugation going on with both the alternator cell set up and the VIC water fuel injector which is a conjugated laser cavity. Scalar effects are produced byphase conjugating a wave by 180 degrees to cancel out the energy, yet it produces a "stress wave" that can have physical effects. This is very similar to Meyer's mirored pulses that one gets with the rectified output of the Alternator. Click here to learn more about phase conjugation.
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two elephants pushing strongly head-on against each other may produce a "two-elephant" system of opposing forces (vectors), where the system is stationary. The system is thus a zero resultant vector system, whose motion is represented by a vector zero. The same would be true for two fleas pushing against each other and not moving as a system; the system would be a zero resultant vector system, whose motion is represented by a vector zero.
And here's where the mathematics betrays us, if accepted unQuestioningly. In vector analysis, all vector zeros are identical. Here we are saying that the translatory motions of the flea system and the elephant system are the same. That's true, but there's a whale of a lot of difference in the two systems that must be accounted for physically! If you don't believe that, put yourself in between the two pushing elephants, and see if that's the same as being between the two pushing fleas! You'll certainly notice a lot more stress on you from the elephants than from the fleas.
http://www.cheniere.org/misc/interview1991.htm
Now in quaternions, that is not the case. Quaternions that interact capture this "local stress of spacetime" and "locally trapped energy of spacetime" in the scalar component, inside it.
now I'm starting to understand
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two elephants pushing strongly head-on against each other may produce a "two-elephant" system of opposing forces (vectors), where the system is stationary. The system is thus a zero resultant vector system, whose motion is represented by a vector zero. The same would be true for two fleas pushing against each other and not moving as a system; the system would be a zero resultant vector system, whose motion is represented by a vector zero.
And here's where the mathematics betrays us, if accepted unQuestioningly. In vector analysis, all vector zeros are identical. Here we are saying that the translatory motions of the flea system and the elephant system are the same. That's true, but there's a whale of a lot of difference in the two systems that must be accounted for physically! If you don't believe that, put yourself in between the two pushing elephants, and see if that's the same as being between the two pushing fleas! You'll certainly notice a lot more stress on you from the elephants than from the fleas.
http://www.cheniere.org/misc/interview1991.htm
Good analogy
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well put alan but remember your only talking about one of the forces thats effecting the 2 elephents theres another force involed as well for seperation of water.. imagine those to elephants pushing on each other while haveing ropes on them pulling them just as hard as they are pushing.. since one elephant is negative and the other is positve.
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Dankie, use your own words, use your own understanding. Come up with your own examples and explanations. It's the only way to show you know what you are talking about.
I am not familiar with what 2curious, hdemartin, and Aquapulser are saying, they are not here on this forum, and from everything you say about them it makes me think you arm mixing up different explanations and technologies.
Besides, i spent 7 months listening to other people trying to figure out what Stan was up to, and then i spend 3 months reading Stan's work+physics+electrical on my own and i've learned 100x more from that than i have in the whole 10 months otherwise.
And Aquapulser has some things mixed up as well, and for the injector system he used lasers/leds to ionize the air, and mix that with the water, to be split in the injector, there is no phase coupling between the lasers and the injectors in this system. Also you can't cancel out the energy, if you have an abundance, and a lack, then the energy will be distributed, same with heat, and pressure. I haven't seen any progress from Aquapulser in a long time, they made/modified the Dave Lawton PWM and started selling it... good for them.
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two elephants pushing strongly head-on against each other may produce a "two-elephant" system of opposing forces (vectors), where the system is stationary. The system is thus a zero resultant vector system, whose motion is represented by a vector zero. The same would be true for two fleas pushing against each other and not moving as a system; the system would be a zero resultant vector system, whose motion is represented by a vector zero.
And here's where the mathematics betrays us, if accepted unQuestioningly. In vector analysis, all vector zeros are identical. Here we are saying that the translatory motions of the flea system and the elephant system are the same. That's true, but there's a whale of a lot of difference in the two systems that must be accounted for physically! If you don't believe that, put yourself in between the two pushing elephants, and see if that's the same as being between the two pushing fleas! You'll certainly notice a lot more stress on you from the elephants than from the fleas.
http://www.cheniere.org/misc/interview1991.htm
this does not apply to electrical charges, think about it
you either have both the same charge, or one of each
(http://www.tpub.com/neets/book1/chapter1/1-7.gif)
now look at the field vectors, where, what, how, can you ever get two equal and opposite vectors that will result in an zero vector?
you can't
because by definition the vectors direction is away from positive and towards negative, and they will never meet head to head.
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aha, you're right I guess. Haven't got much experience with vector calculus, will keep this in my mind.
now 2 equal and opposite charges, tied together, what happens when put into the middle of the fields?
two elephants pulling a rope with equal force?
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a pulling and pushing force on both charges in opposite directions
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a pulling and pushing force on both charges in opposite directions
yes :P
- field pushing - particles and vice versa, like you said before ;)
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well those are point charges, but you can imagine the same thing for parallel plates (or tubes...), if you have both positive or both negative you will get a pure repulsion force between them, or one of each, positive and negative, where the field is directly across the gap from one side to the other.
now imagine this
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so, can we conclude the force vectors net zero at the center / 0V, acting on the molecules ?
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here the elephants in action.. one elephants red.. the other is black.
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so, can we conclude the force vectors net zero at the center / 0V, acting on the molecules ?
when the +/- e fields overlap, if that is possible at all, won't that create a net 0 e field vector?
not exactly, there is voltage gradient across the gap, the direction is constant, but the magnitude just happens to switch from positive to negative
voltage means "difference of electrical potential"
so 20+ and 20- volts is the same as 40 volts, (the total difference of electrical potential is 40 volts) but since we "know" that the 20- volts is caused by extra electrons and the 20+ volts is caused by missing electrons then we can understand the distinction
and this is an important distinction because it relates directly to the force on the water molecule
20+ ----- 10+ ----- 0 ----- -10 ----- -20
40+ ----- 30+ ----- 20+ ----- 10+ ----- 0
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so, can we conclude the force vectors net zero at the center / 0V, acting on the molecules ?
when the +/- e fields overlap, if that is possible at all, won't that create a net 0 e field vector?
not exactly, there is voltage gradient across the gap, the direction is constant, but the magnitude just happens to switch from positive to negative
voltage means "difference of electrical potential"
so 20+ and 20- volts is the same as 40 volts, (the total difference of electrical potential is 40 volts) but since we "know" that the 20- volts is caused by extra electrons and the 20+ volts is caused by missing electrons then we can understand the distinction
and this is an important distinction because it relates directly to the force on the water molecule
20+ ----- 10+ ----- 0 ----- -10 ----- -20
40+ ----- 30+ ----- 20+ ----- 10+ ----- 0
Once again , read the question I asked 2curious4WFC and read his answer .
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I should note that you can do vector math of systems of charges, and for electric and magnetic fields, and have net 0 effects, but in the context of what i was trying to explain they don't really fit in, also in the ~4 hours i've been thinking about this i've learned a lot myself, just piecing things together, and i can think of a few things i need to read up on more,
basically the reason for equal and opposite voltage to the cell is to create equal and opposite stress on the oxygen and hydrogen, but they do not cancel out to zero voltage, since the term "zero voltage" would just mean "equilibrium of protons and electrons" while voltage is a unit of "difference" and can be measured between any two points regardless of their equilibrium of protons and electrons. If you have learned about "hho series cells" where they put 12 volts across 6 cells, for 2 volts between each cell, then you'll realize how "voltage" works as a unit of difference.
I also think that there is a bit more going on in Stan's injector, mainly, it screws into the engine block, aka grounded, which would stop you from getting the 20,000- volts, both positive and negative electrodes would have to be insulated from each other as well as the negative electrode insulated from the outside of the injector and thus the engine block. This, or one of them is grounded and 20kv is still enough to rip the water apart.
And on that note, ionized air (missing electrons) in the water fuel mixture can also absorb the milliamps of leaked current that gets past the chokes into the cell.
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Dankie he says two things, one of them is right, and one of them is wrong, you think the right one is wrong and the wrong one is right. I'm not going to explain it to you any more.
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Dankie he says two things, one of them is right, and one of them is wrong, you think the right one is wrong and the wrong one is right. I'm not going to explain it to you any more.
Yeah Ok I guess his explanation is vague , but he clearly mentions the term *colliding* , I believe what you are saying is that the potentials are not colliding , but pushign together .
But remember that at a certain coil , Stan mention *non-voltage shift* , this means that both secondarys are at the same pressure level .
I also believe that this theory of simply pulsed high voltage has been tried many many times and has always resulted in failure , the water cannot hold a charge unless the negative electrode is coated with something to stop electron leaks .
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Lets put this subject aside for the moment , it is confusing me .
All this is confusing me .
Opposing or opposing , why is it so hard to know wich , both are incredibly different .
But when I read things like this I really feel I am right .
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We should remember this from good old Bearden
Something this obscure is obviously NOT propaganda .
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sorry dankie dont mean to jump of the new subject but i was gonna post this yesterday to go with this quote from earlier post
But remember that at a certain coil , Stan mention *non-voltage shift* , this means that both secondarys are at the same pressure level .
in this pic of the alternator schematic i made. it shows what the 180 phase in pulses are doing with the flow of electrons and holes (missing electrons atoms) i also want to emphasize on the words one directional flow.. that means holes are flowing one way while electrons flow the other way .
notice how i colored the bifilar coils to bring out there orientation.. notice the balance that can exist between the opposing charges allowing the bi filars chokes negative choke to keep all its electron clustering to output side while keeping its holes on the opposite side.. it is happy because it is attracted to the electron cluster on same side sitting next to it in the positive choke.. so there electron clustering is happening to one side as wellas the other just in seperate wires.. wouldnt that balance create a non voltage shift?
during 180 out phase the negative electron pulse hitting the negtive electron cluster in the positve copper choke.. would that not act like a off switch.. electrons hitting electrons at a diode??? so that in the next 180 in hit you are stepping up in potential because the positve choke never released its hole on switch off time..
now ask what the center tap diode (negative stainless) choke is doing 180 in and out. 180 in its giving it electrons 180 out its getting hit with a pole flop of positive potential so it is colliding with holes on both sides of the diode..
realize the balance of opposing charges and there attraction to each other..
so once these charges build up to 40kv if switched off at the primarys the choke wires still hold there pole oriented charges untill it can be consumed in the decomposition of water? remember stan stated he could turn the system on for 5 seconds and when he turned it OFF it would still produce for 94 seconds after.. he says it produces 15 times more on off time then on time..
outlawstc
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Great thinking outlaw , great stuff .
Outlaw is comiong along really well .
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outlaw, thanks for the diagram.
however i have some questions.
what is the red circle on the electron extraction? where is the copper bifilar going to?
it's also confusing that you speak on electrons and holes (positive charge i guess?) in a circuit diagram. are you referring to the technical or the physical current? that is important because of the diodes and in which direction they have to be set.
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where is the copper bifilar going to?
not connected
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red circle is connected to positve output of copper bi filar. i feel as if they should be isolated.. but you think about it and a air gap works as good isolation but can also help perform work with air ionization.. i show only the red because for extraction of electrons thats what it passes through during extraction(no neg present).. just the positve potential.. theres still missing items in the diagram like output for the electrical stress in the hfp .. it just makes to much since to take advantage of that with the copper chokes.. since your high volts are going to be in those wires specificaly.. as for electrons and holes.. i suggest falling back to the elementary of electric. think about it this has been so easily over looked for many many years of being possible.. for some of the smartest people of our time(engineers, scientisct, etc..) there had to been a flaw/ twist in there roots that has kept them satisfied with understanding.. and i would say that it is they over look the efficency possibility in the building up of potential differences.. and i dont think they fully understand how chokes can react in a charging manner when they are bi filar wound being pulsed with a sync burst.. every sync burst its thowing off a balanced difference in both directions. holes one way and electrons the other.. meyers even said in one of his videos that people who study electric learn about deflection of electrons and chemistry only focuses on proton aspects of the atom.. theres a wall clear as day that has been established that helps keep this from happening. chemistry and electric should be united in many ways.
outlawstc
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red circle is connected to positve output of copper bi filar. i feel as if they should be isolated.. but you think about it and a air gap works as good isolation but can also help perform work with air ionization.. i show only the red because for extraction of electrons thats what it passes through during extraction(no neg present).. just the positve potential.. theres still missing items in the diagram like output for the electrical stress in the hfp .. it just makes to much since to take advantage of that with the copper chokes.. since your high volts are going to be in those wires specificaly.. as for electrons and holes.. i suggest falling back to the elementary of electric. think about it this has been so easily over looked for many many years of being possible.. for some of the smartest people of our time(engineers, scientisct, etc..) there had to been a flaw/ twist in there roots that has kept them satisfied with understanding.. and i would say that it is they over look the efficency possibility in the building up of potential differences.. and i dont think they fully understand how chokes can react in a charging manner when they are bi filar wound being pulsed with a sync burst.. every sync burst its thowing off a balanced difference in both directions. holes one way and electrons the other.. meyers even said in one of his videos that people who study electric learn about deflection of electrons and chemistry only focuses on proton aspects of the atom.. theres a wall clear as day that has been established that helps keep this from happening. chemistry and electric should be united in many ways.
outlawstc
Oh my , Outlaw has grown to be an excellent theoretical physicist .
Great to have you here outlaw
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thanks dankie i have many hours of pondering. the best way to understand is perspective. you got to visualize and try to understand everything whats going on in the wires them self on a atomic level. visualize how emf can constantly displace the excitors in a multi phase set up (alternator). now remember how stan says the voltage will cause alignment in the plate material. what kind of alignment??.. now think on how there alignment could be 180 out from each other giving clockwise and counter clockwise scalar wave? the differential vortex? idk still pondering lol.
outlawstc
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thanks dankie i have many hours of pondering. the best way to understand is perspective. you got to visualize and try to understand everything whats going on in the wires them self on a atomic level. visualize how emf can constantly displace the excitors in a multi phase set up (alternator). now remember how stan says the voltage will cause alignment in the plate material. what kind of alignment??.. now think on how there alignment could be 180 out from each other giving clockwise and counter clockwise scalar wave? the differential vortex? idk still pondering lol.
outlawstc
You mean the plates themselves have both magnetic *flux lines* going opposite to eachother . The thumbs rule thing , those kind of flux lines ? Perhaps they are crossing eachother and causing the elephants to go against eachother .
Perhaps he is trying to *oppose the entropy* ?
Everything is in constant motion like Bearden says ... From the infinitely big to the infinitely small .
I am intruiged by what bearden says , every dipole can keep a bit of energy and not thrown it back out in the time domain ?
Stan is talking about an *energy generator* , a *static energy generator* , and he aint talking about the EPG . He's talking about how he gets more energy out than in . Seems to me like this is what Stan meant . What if Stan's final technology was so revolutionnary that the whole physics would have to be reinvented . This is bigger than a simple water car , this is totally new science .
There's a few things that are clearly impossible with Meyers . The water is simply not breaking apart with higher voltage , it is not holding its charge , it is never pure enough under normal conditions . Meyers never coated his plates , so I believe this coating ravi stuff is simply disinfo .
There is all this stuff about the state space tickling , stuff that is not found in the puharich papers or anyone else .
So I believe that everybody had his own method , some were better than others .
Next step is , if we know dingel could pull some electricity from this , why wouldnt Meyers have done the same and have a double usage for that extra unaccounted for charge ? This new hypothesis fills in the mysteries of how exactly do we get that water to charge , whats all this mumbo jumbo that Meyers talks about ?
It fills in the gap , it goes along with other theories from respectable people .
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well when those differences are next to each other present in the plates. it messes with the space time between them.. i was saying the other day what causes us to fall and what causes us to need force to goto space... and could this force occur in a OPPOSITE manner.. meaning that particles of positive charge have gravity toward the negative excitor and electrons feel gravity toward the positive field.. and at the same time can those charged particles of the atom feel a pushing force pushing them in the same direction they are being pulled?? 2 forces acting in space time on both opposite charges in a opposite manner.. and the only thing holding these particles together is potential..
have you heard of coral castle in florida?
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well when those differences are next to each other present in the plates. it messes with the space time between them.. i was saying the other day what causes us to fall and what causes us to need force to goto space... and could this force occur in a OPPOSITE manner.. meaning that particles of positive charge have gravity toward the negative excitor and electrons feel gravity toward the positive field.. and at the same time can those charged particles of the atom feel a pushing force pushing them in the same direction they are being pulled?? 2 forces acting in space time on both opposite charges in a opposite manner.. and the only thing holding these particles together is potential..
have you heard of coral castle in florida?
Its strange , after connecting the dots I am persuaded this is the key . If these opposite waves somehow cross , and the water's components is attracted to counter-clockwise wave AND clockwise wave , it is still pulling apart , just not in the way we imagined it did . Kinda like your drawing from yesterday outlaw , it inspired me .
Some people , somehow are seeing this on a piece of a paper , hydrogen goes left , oxygen goes right ... WRONG !!!
The universe is just a tad more complex .
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This thread is legendary , anybody who tries a move on this thread will be suspect .
Now , the next question , if the universe is circular in nature , what happens if we pulled on the water's components when they are on *opposite sides of the circle* ?
As one part gets taken away by the clockwise and another taken away by the counter-clockwise .\
Now pull !!!!
But wait... what if @ that point its already in gas form and has gained massive volume , now its pusing out of the injector into the motor in this out of time state ?? ( Hypothetical )
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exactly.. it effects the protons and the electrons.. since water has a dominant positive charge on one side and the electrons are on the other side thats creates the dipole orientaion of the molecule.. the tickleing and plucking of 1-3 electrons on the negative electron side is what switches off the bond of hydrogen and oxy.. when they are being expelled the electrons make it back to the oxy to form stable gases.. since there no longer a dipole they are not effected with the opposing electrical stress as much in the water bath i dont think and the scalar wave might actually help pump the gases out?
outlawstc
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Just brg me all that sacred geometry shit with the opposing Vortex stuff , It kinda looks like a heart ...
Prove to me I am wrong ...
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if you had two inductor chokes for one secondary output on seperate cores it wouldnt work. the balanced difference on the core is what keeps the charge in the core... if they were on seperate cores there wouldnt be a mutual balance of difference magneticaly shared... .. this will cause the electrons to flow from negative excitor over to positve. creating current.. the same core is mutual inductance for them.. it causes a mutual balance of electron clustering keeping it from having voltage flop/ back emf????
and what i really mean by this is they may be of opposite charges but they are equaly attracted to each other and i beleive they can sit next to each other in dielectric coated material (copper or stainless) with these displaced charges, without producing mad heat in any of the windings. and allow the skin effect to take place on the excitors of opposite polarity.
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Are you saying there would be no problems of arcing between both wires side by side , It should be wound as a real bifilar ? Since the pressure level would be the same ?
Yes I believe , 100% that the coil is meant to be on the same core , no exeptions .
What is the stainless had a better coupling factor to even more equally balance itself , naturally ?
The heat itself is caused by the vibration of the magnetic wire .
OT: I think this user had interresting things to say
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/2410-stan-deyo-2.html
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its weird to think that but i would say yes.. and that would allow a smaller capacitance space dankie. you thinking what im thinkin. lol were on the right path of understanding. the only time it will want to arc is when there differences arent mutual.. what i mean by this is say you have 400volts that you want to peak at.. if your getting 400volts positve electrical force and some how getting more electrons in the system you may read 450 volts negative electical force.. that would be a unbalanced difference.. and the electrons will want to arc to the positve side to try to balance to around 425 volts.. but when a power system is on and its contstantly getting strays in it to allow imbalance that will created a constant current/ load.?
outlawstc
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its weird to think that but i would say yes.. and that would allow a smaller capacitance space dankie. you thinking what im thinkin. lol were on the right path of understanding. the only time it will want to arc is when there differences arent mutual.. what i mean by this is say you have 400volts that you want to peak at.. if your getting 400volts positve electrical force and some how getting more electrons in the system you may read 450 volts negative electical force.. that would be a unbalanced difference.. and the electrons will want to arc to the positve side to try to balance to around 425 volts.. but when a power system is on and its contstantly getting strays in it to allow imbalance that will created a constant current/ load.?
outlawstc
Hmm , that would motivate the use of a dioded coil connected to grown , the amp-inhibiting coil .
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dankie the amp inhibitor coil isnt going to ground directly.. it is the stainless negative choke.. going to negative excitor. it is the one in my drawing.. connects to center of secondary. and negetive tube. the positve choke connects to positve induction side of primary(rotor) and the positve tube. thats how stan was getting a 0-20khz pulse on the output.. he wasnt getting it threw the emf the rotors giving to the stator windings (secondarys) in the alternator.. the only way for electrons in and out of the system is from the negative excitor, through the water, into the positive excitor and into the primarys electrical circuit.... but with the sync pulse and the mutual difference, i dont think leackeage is a concern.
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dankie the amp inhibitor coil isnt going to ground directly.. it is the stainless negative choke.. going to negative excitor. it is the one in my drawing.. connects to center of secondary. and negetive tube. the positve choke connects to positve induction side of primary(rotor) and the positve tube. thats how stan was getting a 0-20khz pulse on the output.. he wasnt getting it threw the emf the rotors giving to the stator windings (secondarys) in the alternator.. the only way for electrons in and out of the system is from the negative excitor, through the water, into the positive excitor and into the primarys electrical circuit.... but with the sync pulse and the mutual difference, i dont think leackeage is a concern.
Well I believe it is a reference and that it is connected to 0V state since thats effectively whats its trying to do on the other side , maintain a *non-voltage* differential between each choke .
But I guess it doesnt matter who is right when all you gotta do is connect the lead .
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Nice Image , this is sacred geometry that explains all about our universe .
I can just imagine these waves happening in the injector .
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it fits in the schematic well.. notice how stan shows a coil orientation for the amp inihbitor. that orientation is exaxtly how it should be for stainless negative choke.. notice the direction of flow thats aloud i into that amp inhibitor it allows electron flow into the choke. and blocks hole charges from forming on off time
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dankie,
i was listening to stephen meyers on the blog radio.. he happend to bring up stans plate cell, the one with the adjustable gap.. he was talking about how he like it because you could see the production between the gap? production in ribbons.. your scalar wave pic made me think of the picture he was painting. i gotta listen to it again.
outlawstc
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You mean the plates themselves have both magnetic *flux lines* going opposite to eachother . The thumbs rule thing , those kind of flux lines ? Perhaps they are crossing eachother and causing the elephants to go against eachother .
Perhaps he is trying to *oppose the entropy* ?
Everything is in constant motion like Bearden says ... From the infinitely big to the infinitely small .
I am intruiged by what bearden says , every dipole can keep a bit of energy and not thrown it back out in the time domain ?
Stan is talking about an *energy generator* , a *static energy generator* , and he aint talking about the EPG . He's talking about how he gets more energy out than in . Seems to me like this is what Stan meant . What if Stan's final technology was so revolutionnary that the whole physics would have to be reinvented . This is bigger than a simple water car , this is totally new science .
There's a few things that are clearly impossible with Meyers . The water is simply not breaking apart with higher voltage , it is not holding its charge , it is never pure enough under normal conditions . Meyers never coated his plates , so I believe this coating ravi stuff is simply disinfo .
There is all this stuff about the state space tickling , stuff that is not found in the puharich papers or anyone else .
So I believe that everybody had his own method , some were better than others .
Next step is , if we know dingel could pull some electricity from this , why wouldnt Meyers have done the same and have a double usage for that extra unaccounted for charge ? This new hypothesis fills in the mysteries of how exactly do we get that water to charge , whats all this mumbo jumbo that Meyers talks about ?
It fills in the gap , it goes along with other theories from respectable people .
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8172093674121637649
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Omg , that guy was somekind of freemason on the run , who know secrets thats 4 sure ...
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i was woundering if he used the pole hoist to get the stone off ground.. and maybe started stripping electrons out of the stone to gain a positve polarity..
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i've been there and have his books.......he says he used positrons and electrons......and unlocked antigravity with the same method they used to build the pyramids......he talks in code and stresses the number 16......also on his tombstone it says.
the secret to the universe is 7129 / 6105195
which equals 0.00116769407
he was not a mason as in the secret society.......dropped out of elementary school in 4th grade and learned all his knowledge from scratch with car parts and batterys and going to the library.......the place is ver interesting but his books are very strange.
one thing i will mention that i noticed on almost all the objects that were incredibly large......in the center of say a huge coral block used for a wall piece there was a canter hole.....not a hole all the way through just a shallow hole and around teh center hole was a perfect radius around the center point forming a circumference lightly engraved in it.