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Re: AMA analysis of Cramton and Replication
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2011, 15:01:46 pm »
Hello dr Cramptom

I also took a detailed look at your papers, but could't understand well all those numbers... There wasn't an introduction, description, nor conclusion of your experimental approach... could you please explain to us?

I see you are using resonance cause there is a high reactive power, but what where the actual consumed watts going in to make all that gas? 30 amps 128 volts also seems like a low reactance in your system (about 4 ohms)... was it at 60hz? Was it operating on the alternator or solid state? The voltage and amp leakage on water?

I'm still interested in meyer approach, however i got my own project so far... It complies with more standards of safety cause it generates h2 separated from O2, with over efficiency 100x. It will be presented soon.

The only explanation so far is the same of the gauss gun, energy is coming from the electromagnetic fields, (space time).

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Re: AMA analysis of Cramton and Replication
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2011, 15:07:05 pm »
For me, the only requirement was in the application, which now has more than eight thousand hours of continuous operation.
Or possibly the three U.S. Patents now obtained with this technology.

I wish you the best in your endeavors

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Re: AMA analysis of Cramton and Replication
« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2011, 15:14:48 pm »
Fabio

I can appreciate the problem with the test results that were posted. That test was done at the request of George Wiseman to confirm the
power and gas production of his ER Water Torch, it was not intended as a scientific research paper, but merely a method for his customers to view the production capability of his technology.  Most people do not have access to the types of calibrated equipment used for the test performed on his machine. As stated, the results of that test were:

"During our test, the unit consumed 3214 watts of energy during a 1 hour test
providing 1636 liters of gas during that period."

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Re: AMA analysis of Cramton and Replication
« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2011, 15:32:33 pm »
Ok, Thanks now its clearer.

From the max thermodynamic efficiency we got something like: 1,24V * 2975A = 3689watts... This if i'm not wrong would be the theoretical minimum energy require to split one liter of water into 1847 liters of hydrogen and oxygen gas at STP. 

so in terms of watts/liter of gas my picture is around max 1,99watts per liter of gas.

now 3214/1636 =  1,964 per liter of gas, with is OU but really small multiplication factor 1.016... If this gas was at STP

So far seems to me you got 101% efficiency is that correct?

Please correct me if i'm wrong.

My project would make 1 liter of gas with only 19miliwatts... 

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Re: AMA analysis of Cramton and Replication
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2011, 16:16:32 pm »
Dear Fabio

Your calculations are correct, The ER water torch from our calculations achieved 101% efficiency, it did however improve with time.
The maximum efficiency we obtained after a 4 hour test was 106%

Now, like Stan Meyers, add a IR wave length between 2-14um and watch what happens !!

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Re: AMA analysis of Cramton and Replication
« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2011, 16:25:48 pm »
I see. Thanks for quick answer.

So the energy gain you are getting from the direct excitation of the gas?

How much power the IR need to have for getting noticeable effect? Need to be tunable?  The energy gain is in the burning?

Are you forming any other kind of fuel like amonia or something like by this interaction with light, like our forum member Tutanka?

Is the IR injected during combustion or is a kind of pre-treatment? 

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Re: AMA analysis of Cramton and Replication
« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2011, 17:16:31 pm »
The IR is applied to the liquid base (H2O) this allows the molecule to stretch, thus making it much easier to break.
Also maintain a temperature within the cell of 180 degrees F, applied correctly you will increase gas production by a factor of 3
For all of those that have concentrated in making the gas, please consider your application once you have achieved the necessary quantity.

In the form that you are working with, this gas has a very low energy content per volume. Consider other uses, such as carbon capture and what may be achieved by combining these technologies. (Liquid methanol is very possible), for those of you that are considering this for vehicles, consider a liquid nitrogen cooling system. (energy content is linear by density)

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Re: AMA analysis of Cramton and Replication
« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2011, 22:08:34 pm »
The IR is applied to the liquid base (H2O) this allows the molecule to stretch, thus making it much easier to break.
Also maintain a temperature within the cell of 180 degrees F, applied correctly you will increase gas production by a factor of 3
For all of those that have concentrated in making the gas, please consider your application once you have achieved the necessary quantity.

In the form that you are working with, this gas has a very low energy content per volume. Consider other uses, such as carbon capture and what may be achieved by combining these technologies. (Liquid methanol is very possible), for those of you that are considering this for vehicles, consider a liquid nitrogen cooling system. (energy content is linear by density)

Thank you for joining in here, mr. Crampton.
How much power of IR do we need? Are leds sufficient, or do we need a 100watt IR lamp on this?
The idea of using 180F is a known temp for having improved HHO production, but it doesnt mean you have higher production then Faraday law, meaning production at 25 degrees celcius.
Sofar i did a 150% efficiency compared to faraday.
For sure i would love to try your advice of using the IR waves for exiting the molecules.
And all credits to you, if we can get it to work here!

Best regards
Steve