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Re: AMA analysis of Cramton and Replication
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2011, 21:21:41 pm »
Hi Steve

All of our experiments in no shape form or manner attempt to violate the known laws that all researchers must adhere to.
This has never been our intention. Our goal is simply to use energy sources that at this point in time, may not be considered as such.
The 180 Deg F is a normal temperature that we try and maintain within any type cell we are working with, water vapor, for us is not considered when calculating gas output. We use a gas chromatograph mass spectrometer for analysis and discount any water vapor within the test sample.

Now for the IR. The only tests we have made to date in this area utilized a 100W IR lamp @ 4-14um, using a fixed voltage, and identical solutions of H2O and KOH, we applied the IR to one sample. (Both samples were brought to 180 Deg F). A two plate system 3" x 1" with 1/8" spacing was used with a 12 volt battery. With the control sample a small amount of gas was noticed, however when the plate was moved to the IR solution, the gas output was so large we discontinued the test until a method of containment could be constructed.

On a safety note, we have just received a test report on the contamination or residue that occurs when using plain tap water or
302SS plates. This residue is extremely toxic and users should use appropriate protection when cleaning their cells.
For any that do not understand this - The brown gunk that forms in your cells

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Re: AMA analysis of Cramton and Replication
« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2011, 21:40:36 pm »
that brown gunk - is it the chromium hex*** contaminant (cant remember the exact name at the moment).
on cells i have seen, when the voltage between the plates were at 2v or below and 316l plates used with a processed water doped with koh the contamination did not appear to occur.

for cleaning the 316l plates, we've used citric acid in water then using 12v car battery that can supply high amps for 10 - 20 seconds then reverse polarity for 2-3 seconds to the eye left the plates very clean.......
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Re: AMA analysis of Cramton and Replication
« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2011, 21:49:59 pm »
Please see test report

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Re: AMA analysis of Cramton and Replication
« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2011, 21:55:15 pm »
Hi Steve

All of our experiments in no shape form or manner attempt to violate the known laws that all researchers must adhere to.
This has never been our intention. Our goal is simply to use energy sources that at this point in time, may not be considered as such.
The 180 Deg F is a normal temperature that we try and maintain within any type cell we are working with, water vapor, for us is not considered when calculating gas output. We use a gas chromatograph mass spectrometer for analysis and discount any water vapor within the test sample.

Now for the IR. The only tests we have made to date in this area utilized a 100W IR lamp @ 4-14um, using a fixed voltage, and identical solutions of H2O and KOH, we applied the IR to one sample. (Both samples were brought to 180 Deg F). A two plate system 3" x 1" with 1/8" spacing was used with a 12 volt battery. With the control sample a small amount of gas was noticed, however when the plate was moved to the IR solution, the gas output was so large we discontinued the test until a method of containment could be constructed.

On a safety note, we have just received a test report on the contamination or residue that occurs when using plain tap water or
302SS plates. This residue is extremely toxic and users should use appropriate protection when cleaning their cells.
For any that do not understand this - The brown gunk that forms in your cells

Hi Scott,

I knew that the brown gunk leftover was nasty stuff, from my own experience. But not that it was toxic. I appreciate the warning.
I will go look for an IR lamp/device with the specs you shared here. I have this crave to learn as much as i can on this water as fuel subject.
The interesting part of your test results is that you achieved high gasproduction with very small electrodes.(Maybe even higher efficiency's)
100watts are a lot of amps. Taking two electrodes of a large size, use 25% KOH solution and tune it to use 50 amps. (or use more plates, but keep the math the same) Now the question. Which system produces more gas at the end? The basic electrolysis system or the device using excitation of IR waves?

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Re: AMA analysis of Cramton and Replication
« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2011, 00:33:46 am »
The wave length has been proven to effect the water molecule in a study from Purdue University.
An associate of mine, Dr. Albert Wey has constructed a ceramic that when heated emits a particular wave length that stretches the molecule. This was demonstrated using the Lanmar flame test.
Wa tested his ceramics in H2 cells to document the difference in production.

We used the 100W lamp as a control for the test as it was the only source of this wave length available at the time. His ceramics require no electrical power of any kind, so by varying the wattage of the lamp we were able to duplicate the effect at very low wattage levels. We did however find that anything above 63 watts ( if I remember correctly) had no further effect on gas production. This test was completed several years ago under a DOE grant.
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Re: AMA analysis of Cramton and Replication
« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2011, 15:52:59 pm »
Dr Wey's test results

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« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2011, 00:03:58 am »
Dr Wey's test results

Thank you for this document. Very interesting!

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Re: AMA analysis of Cramton and Replication
« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2011, 16:30:42 pm »
Hi Steve

All of our experiments in no shape form or manner attempt to violate the known laws that all researchers must adhere to.
This has never been our intention. Our goal is simply to use energy sources that at this point in time, may not be considered as such.
The 180 Deg F is a normal temperature that we try and maintain within any type cell we are working with, water vapor, for us is not considered when calculating gas output. We use a gas chromatograph mass spectrometer for analysis and discount any water vapor within the test sample.

Now for the IR. The only tests we have made to date in this area utilized a 100W IR lamp @ 4-14um, using a fixed voltage, and identical solutions of H2O and KOH, we applied the IR to one sample. (Both samples were brought to 180 Deg F). A two plate system 3" x 1" with 1/8" spacing was used with a 12 volt battery. With the control sample a small amount of gas was noticed, however when the plate was moved to the IR solution, the gas output was so large we discontinued the test until a method of containment could be constructed.

On a safety note, we have just received a test report on the contamination or residue that occurs when using plain tap water or
302SS plates. This residue is extremely toxic and users should use appropriate protection when cleaning their cells.
For any that do not understand this - The brown gunk that forms in your cells


I did today a test as descriped above.
Not even an indication of an improved production.
Not sure what else to test on this.
Bulb is 100watts 3-8um ir
http://www.elstein.com/en/elstein-products/screw-heaters/iot-series/description/

Steve