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Title: Self charging battery circuit of Bob Boyce and Watkykjy1
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 31, 2022, 08:44:55 am
Hi people,

After watching some othe the videos again of Bob Boyce, i bought me a kit of the battery smacker.
Why?
Well, Bob explains finally more about his pwm , scalar waves, longitudinal waves and how he creates them and what these waves are adding to the process.
He is using this type of pulsing for his water smacker and also for his waterfuellcell.
So, i bought this battery smacker to learn how his pulses are looking.
He stated that if you change the frequency of this smacker to the 42khz, etc etc, it will charge the water, or take the water apart.

The other thing i want to see if you can charge a battery with these pulses and low power and then have a full battery.
Sort of overunity test.
Just to learn and to have some fun.

cheers!
Title: Self charging battery circuit of Bob Boyce and Watkykjy1
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 04, 2022, 20:36:06 pm
So, finally some time to wrap these magical bob boyce mini toroids....
Did i mention before that i dont like wrapping coilc or small toroids?  :)
1 down, 1 to go
Title: Re: Another Project? Yes. I am building me the Bob Boyce Battery Smacker. Why?
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 04, 2022, 21:14:37 pm
And there is number 2.

1 toirod between the battery plus and one toroid between the negative pole
Title: Re: Another Project? Yes. I am building me the Bob Boyce Battery Smacker. Why?
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 04, 2022, 21:54:28 pm
Progres on the casing
Title: Re: Another Project? Yes. I am building me the Bob Boyce Battery Smacker. Why?
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 14, 2022, 20:26:38 pm
My fear became true.
I thoughy by sticking my scope probe in the battery smacker that i would be able to see what Bob Boyce had in mind.
That guy is smarter then we think, ill guess.
Please join in, because i need your help and tips.

Please see some videos that i made from the scope, while trying to deciver the driving signals.
 There are two blocks of signals here.
A base squarewave of 1khz, which is a basic Herzian squarewave.
The other wave, or block of waves are the non herzian waves, as Bob describes.
Bob explained in one of his videos that Non herzian waves are very short trickerd waves.
So, i tuned my scope to high frequency,s. The scope is a 60mhz scope, so i thought that would be good enough.
My gues is that the 2khz blocks contain pulses in the mhz range....
Please help me out here, if you can. Tips are also very helpfull.

Cheers
Steve



Title: Re: Another Project? Yes. I am building me the Bob Boyce Battery Smacker. Why?
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 16, 2022, 04:46:17 am
That looks like pedestal spikes imposed on a DC potential which is switched off and on.  There's a fairly simple spark gap setup which makes pulses like that, with a MW frequency feed.

In a hydraulic environment, pulses can be considered as clicks.  Furthermore, a click can comprise the leading edge of an elastic expansion which has a potential wavelength determined by the spacing between the clicks.  So it looks like he's using more than one frequency to trigger the pedestal pulses.  How he gets some of them to come downwards is a mystery to me; I haven't really thought about that part of it.  The straight, non pedestal spikes must be the non Hertzian (longitudinal) pulses he's talking about.
Title: Re: Another Project? Yes. I am building me the Bob Boyce Battery Smacker. Why?
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 21, 2022, 20:37:00 pm
That looks like pedestal spikes imposed on a DC potential which is switched off and on.  There's a fairly simple spark gap setup which makes pulses like that, with a MW frequency feed.

In a hydraulic environment, pulses can be considered as clicks.  Furthermore, a click can comprise the leading edge of an elastic expansion which has a potential wavelength determined by the spacing between the clicks.  So it looks like he's using more than one frequency to trigger the pedestal pulses.  How he gets some of them to come downwards is a mystery to me; I haven't really thought about that part of it.  The straight, non pedestal spikes must be the non Hertzian (longitudinal) pulses he's talking about.

Another thing about going off of scope shots is that you have to look at them backwards.  What may look like a pulse on the left chasing one on the right is opposite to what is actually happening.  The pulse on the right is expanding towards the previously released pulse on the left, as they move between the electrodes.  Ideally, the first pulse would have a shorter baseline, allowing a faster pulse to overtake it.

Title: Re: Another Project? Yes. I am building me the Bob Boyce Battery Smacker. Why?
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 22, 2022, 09:08:35 am
That looks like pedestal spikes imposed on a DC potential which is switched off and on.  There's a fairly simple spark gap setup which makes pulses like that, with a MW frequency feed.

In a hydraulic environment, pulses can be considered as clicks.  Furthermore, a click can comprise the leading edge of an elastic expansion which has a potential wavelength determined by the spacing between the clicks.  So it looks like he's using more than one frequency to trigger the pedestal pulses.  How he gets some of them to come downwards is a mystery to me; I haven't really thought about that part of it.  The straight, non pedestal spikes must be the non Hertzian (longitudinal) pulses he's talking about.

Another thing about going off of scope shots is that you have to look at them backwards.  What may look like a pulse on the left chasing one on the right is opposite to what is actually happening.  The pulse on the right is expanding towards the previously released pulse on the left, as they move between the electrodes.  Ideally, the first pulse would have a shorter baseline, allowing a faster pulse to overtake it.

Thats a good remark...
My current problem is thatmy scope is max 60mhz
After writing with Bro Andrew, he said i need a 150mhz scope. An old one...an analog one.
So, i have to safe me some money and find an old 150mhz Tektronix scope of the 70's....
He stated that there are suppose to be 2 waveforms.
a 1khz and a 2khz wave
The scalar wave is one of them and is just in the femto second range...pulses

The microprocessor is an ATMEGA48, which is rate at max 20mhz....Normally it runs on 8mhz

So, how do i combine this all together, after seeing my scope vidoes?
Hope you can shine some light on it?

The rest of his circuit is a small chip to help pulsing a mosfet.
SO, its pretty strait forward on off pulsing
Including 15 femto second pulse. Ill guess you can use any frequency for that, as long as the pulse width is very very short


cheers!
Title: Re: Another Project? Yes. I am building me the Bob Boyce Battery Smacker. Why?
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 22, 2022, 11:25:39 am
I went thru my old stuff in my storage garage.....Found my old scope again!
a 100mhz analog philips pm3065
Lets hook that one up and see what kind of waves it shows when i am back in my appartment.
Title: Re: Another Project? Yes. I am building me the Bob Boyce Battery Smacker. Why?
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 22, 2022, 22:02:09 pm
I'm wondering if you're planning to use resonance with this?  The pulse frequency will determine how narrow the spike is.  But is it possible to use Stan's Voltage/Frequency resonance at a really high frequency?  Extrapolating from the chart he published in his Canadian patent will show if the voltage is doable.  Otherwise, the same types of pulses might be tried, at lower frequencies.  The effect produced by a specific voltage has the same wavelength as a certain pulse frequency.  And their ratio is linear.

Title: Re: Another Project? Yes. I am building me the Bob Boyce Battery Smacker. Why?
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 22, 2022, 23:07:02 pm
These pulses are said, charge water
Resonance was not part of my back engineerings project.
Title: Re: Another Project? Yes. I am building me the Bob Boyce Battery Smacker. Why?
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 25, 2022, 16:24:31 pm
That looks like pedestal spikes imposed on a DC potential which is switched off and on.  There's a fairly simple spark gap setup which makes pulses like that, with a MW frequency feed.

In a hydraulic environment, pulses can be considered as clicks.  Furthermore, a click can comprise the leading edge of an elastic expansion which has a potential wavelength determined by the spacing between the clicks.  So it looks like he's using more than one frequency to trigger the pedestal pulses.  How he gets some of them to come downwards is a mystery to me; I haven't really thought about that part of it.  The straight, non pedestal spikes must be the non Hertzian (longitudinal) pulses he's talking about.

Another thing about going off of scope shots is that you have to look at them backwards.  What may look like a pulse on the left chasing one on the right is opposite to what is actually happening.  The pulse on the right is expanding towards the previously released pulse on the left, as they move between the electrodes.  Ideally, the first pulse would have a shorter baseline, allowing a faster pulse to overtake it.

I just made a first reading with my 100mhz analog scope.
Electrotek, it looks like that you are right. I do have to look at the pulse on the scope from the right to the left?
At least, i see the waves more clear and understandable
I will make a video later

Title: Re: Another Project? Yes. I am building me the Bob Boyce Battery Smacker. Why?
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 25, 2022, 20:16:43 pm

Title: Re: Another Project? Yes. I am building me the Bob Boyce Battery Smacker. Why?
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 26, 2022, 12:38:36 pm
So guys, what is happening there in that Boyce circuit?
There are clearly 2 waves, over eachother.
One is a basic steady squarewave
The other looks to me at least, a second squarewave, but one that is turned on and off very rapidly....

What is your opinion?
Title: Re: Another Project? Yes. I am building me the Bob Boyce Battery Smacker. Why?
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 26, 2022, 12:40:47 pm
The rapid switched on off wave is a not adjustable.
The only adjustable is the normal squarewave.
I can adjust the pulse width....
Title: Re: Another Project? Yes. I am building me the Bob Boyce Battery Smacker. Why?
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 26, 2022, 22:54:39 pm
A video of watkykjy

Title: Re: Another Project? Yes. I am building me the Bob Boyce Battery Smacker. Why?
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 26, 2022, 23:03:10 pm
Title: Re: Another Project? Yes. I am building me the Bob Boyce Battery Smacker. Why?
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 26, 2022, 23:17:58 pm
Title: Re: Another Project? Yes. I am building me the Bob Boyce Battery Smacker. Why?
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 26, 2022, 23:24:21 pm
Title: Re: Another Project? Yes. I am building me the Bob Boyce Battery Smacker. Why?
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 26, 2022, 23:41:11 pm
Title: Re: Another Project? Yes. I am building me the Bob Boyce Battery Smacker. Why?
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 26, 2022, 23:49:25 pm
The capture shows a sweep of 50 micro-seconds per division.  The pulses seen on the scope occur almost every 50usecs which places the frequency at 20kHz.  This is  a relatively low frequency and easily negotiated by any micro and most definitely by my PPC.  I have set it at 20KHz and a PW of 600nsec 3-Ph.  I'll make a short vid to show you all - if interested ... just reply.


I hope I'm correct about the scope sweep.  If the full sweep is 50usec, then the frequency is 200KHz ... still relatively easy to negotiate.


" ... Oh, you'll want to be careful about pulse repetition rate, ie operational
frequency. When W made a mistake in his clock divisor value, he accidentally
hit 428 Khz instead of 42.8 khz. The resulting avalanche fried his toroid and HC
board ..."
Title: Re: Another Project? Yes. I am building me the Bob Boyce Battery Smacker. Why?
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 28, 2022, 10:37:13 am
An update:
I recreated the 20khz pulses with a duty of 2us

Title: Re: Another Project? Yes. I am building me the Bob Boyce Battery Smacker. Why?
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 01, 2022, 08:27:47 am
Hi Guys,

I made a mistake. I watched the Watkykjy1 videos again and i seen my mistake.
He is probing 1 mosfet and measures 20khz pulses with a 2us duty.
So, he pulsed 3 coils on the toroid to open the door for the free energy to flow in.
In totall, the core gets 60khz of pulses.

I am now into creating a program for the arduino.
Current status is that i get two signals of 50khz with the 2us duty.
I need three and i have to get them out of phase...and thats the difficult part for me...

cheers!
Title: Re: Another Project? Yes. I am building me the Bob Boyce Battery Smacker. Why?
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 02, 2022, 18:11:02 pm
i have difficulties getting the 120 degrees phase shift of the 3x  20khz pwm's....
If anybody can help me, i need an atmega with 3 channels doing 20khz and a duty of 2us and 3 channels should be out of phase...
Title: Re: Another Project? Yes. I am building me the Bob Boyce Battery Smacker. Why?
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 06, 2022, 20:53:25 pm
No arduino knowledge in the group?
Title: Re: Another Project? Yes. I am building me the Bob Boyce Battery Smacker. Why?
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 06, 2022, 20:56:27 pm
13 years ago, i made a shitty attempt  on the boyce toroid.
I am going full in now. Watkykjy and Bob hat something going.
I tried last year some of those so called spike circuits for charging a battery, but never achieved OU.....
However this femto second bemf pulses are key of life...
Life is hydrogen
Title: Re: Another Project? Yes. I am building me the Bob Boyce Battery Smacker. Why?
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 06, 2022, 20:58:39 pm
Very short charge on the coils and even shorter charges out...pulling eather energy from the surrounding......

Title: Re: Another Project? Yes. I am building me the Bob Boyce Battery Smacker. Why?
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 12, 2022, 12:36:11 pm
Short update: i am busy coding a programm for my arduino,s....
I played with the nano and uno. Now updated to quicker models Mega and Due.
I think i have a first program ready, but still need some testing.
3x pwm,s with 120degree phase shift, running 20khz and very short duty...

Maybe tomorrow i can make a video of it.
The toroidkit is still not shipped from hydrogengarage....

Have a good weekend.
Title: Re: Another Project? Yes. I am building me the Bob Boyce Battery Smacker. Why?
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 13, 2022, 20:39:39 pm
After 1 week of headackes....

Title: Re: Another Project? Yes. I am building me the Bob Boyce Battery Smacker. Why?
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 15, 2022, 07:48:07 am
Still, it is code version 1.
I orderd 3 pieces  Atmega48
Thats the chip used by Watkyjy and Bob Boyce.
I understood that they used different type of code, which is way quicker.
I will try to reprogram my setup with use of those direct C level language.

Wish me luck

Cheers
Title: Re: Another Project? Yes. I am building me the Bob Boyce Battery Smacker. Why?
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 16, 2022, 20:17:46 pm
I need a compliment...
I finished my second and improved microprocessor code for the Arduino UNO.
It delivers suchs a beautiful signal that i am proud of myself learning all these new things.
This script runs on bare C language and made it so much quicker that the raise and fall times have improved, i think.
Its an 8 bit program, so tuning is a bit more tricky then a 16 bits version, which is next.....
Now i need to adjust the script to an arduino Mega with 16bits registers, which would allow me to have more steps in tuning the pulses. For now, i know i can start pulsing the toroid and that it can only become better.
The toroid has arrive in my country. Now it should be on its way to my house...Hopefully tomorrow?
The right mosfets has arrived last week. And the right diodes, i hope , arrive before friday...
Making progress. OU, here we come.
cheers!
Title: Re: Another Project? Yes. I am building me the Bob Boyce Battery Smacker. Why?
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 18, 2022, 23:22:43 pm
today, my atmega48 processors came in  :)
Took me the whole evening to figure out how to connect them with my arduino ISP.
But as ever, if you try long enough, i succeeded  ;)
I ran different type of the same programs and i found my way to have a nice wave coming out of this atmega48.
Its not perfect, as the processor ran at 8mhz and thats too low.
I draw a schematic of my own design hex controller on which i will use just three outputs.
I added a 20mhz crystal, which will be here next week. Then i re write the wave tune and bob is yr uncle.
Also next week is the Boyce toroid kit here...

Have a nice weekend!
Title: Self charging battery circuit of Bob Boyce and Watkykjy1
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 21, 2022, 09:59:53 am
The first layout of my 3 channel hexcontroller  ala Bob Boyce.

Title: Self charging battery circuit of Bob Boyce and Watkykjy1
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 21, 2022, 23:02:25 pm
Finished hexcontroller with 3 channels in stead of 6.... :o
Title: Self charging battery circuit of Bob Boyce and Watkykjy1
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 21, 2022, 23:54:02 pm
And Andrew send me, after payment, the Bob Boyce toroid kit. An arm and a leg less now.....
At least, i have now the right core and the right wires
Together with my hex controller diy, i must have a base for starting the watkykjy1 replication.
Hope to see scalarwaves
And later, i will hook it up to my watercells with a different program...

Cheers
Hope keeps us alive
Let hope for eather energy flow into a toroid and battery
Title: Self charging battery circuit of Bob Boyce and Watkykjy1
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 21, 2022, 23:54:39 pm
Oh, and btw, i tested the controller and it works great  ;)
Title: Self charging battery circuit of Bob Boyce and Watkykjy1
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 21, 2022, 23:56:48 pm
If anybody wants to support this effort, financially, then please do so....
Paypal stevie1001@hotmail.com

Appreciated!

Steve
Title: Self charging battery circuit of Bob Boyce and Watkykjy1
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 26, 2022, 17:52:52 pm
The build of the hex controller is finished.
There was some trouble with having the wrong mosfet drivers, but i got the proper ones now installed.
The other thing that took a lot of time was to back engineer the microcontrollers program from the video of Watkykjy1.
After one week of back engineering, i can say that i have exactly the same software, program, mcu, drivers, diodes and mosfets.
The video of him showing the spikes of his battery charging setup at 50us scope setting is exactly what i see here  :)
I am proud of myself.
I believe that nobody ever replicated him in such a detail.
Next is the toroid of Bob.
I have all the parts. Now it wrapping time....

have a good weekend!
Title: Self charging battery circuit of Bob Boyce and Watkykjy1
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 31, 2022, 13:36:00 pm
I needed some time to understand that toroid of Bob.
The materials, the theory behind it, the pulse order of the primaries, etc etc

example: the use of the yellow tape. The material of which it is made. What its effect is on the eather...
example: pulling the eather into the toroid with its windings with certain pulsewidth pulses
example: 120 degree pulsing in phase or a tiny bit out of phase so the eather reacts and corrects....

So, i will start winding now. First the secondairy wire, strait on the core. Anti clock wise, start over, into the core, and back under the core.

cheers
Steve
Title: Self charging battery circuit of Bob Boyce and Watkykjy1
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 31, 2022, 13:41:25 pm
If anybody wants to support this effort, financially, then please do so....
Paypal stevie1001@hotmail.com

Appreciated!

Steve

Some of you have reacted  :) :) :)

Thank you guys!

Steve
Title: Re: Self charging battery circuit of Bob Boyce and Watkykjy1
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 31, 2022, 15:19:41 pm
handy pdf with lost of info of Bob Boyce
Title: Re: Self charging battery circuit of Bob Boyce and Watkykjy1
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 01, 2022, 09:23:24 am
Wrapping a toroid is no fun.
Wrapping a toroid with 16awg massive wire is hell....
My fingers hurt already of pusing and shaping the wire around the core...
No fun here....

Title: Re: Self charging battery circuit of Bob Boyce and Watkykjy1
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 24, 2022, 21:36:54 pm
A quick update:

I had a business trip for 9 days.
Today i got some time to continue winding the toroid.
It is not easy as the wire is very inflexible and you still want it nicely wounded arounf the toroid...
So, i am still at the seondairy....Its slow
This week again a lot of work, job related.
Next week, i hope to be able to put more time in all of this...

cheers!
Title: Re: Self charging battery circuit of Bob Boyce and Watkykjy1
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 27, 2022, 07:05:52 am
Keep going bro! Thanks for it!
Title: Re: Self charging battery circuit of Bob Boyce and Watkykjy1
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 28, 2022, 08:55:42 am
Keep going bro! Thanks for it!

Thank you
I will...till i hit the bucket. ;)