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Re: My Thoughts on how Meyer split water
« Reply #48 on: July 22, 2011, 00:46:23 am »
yep, I know what you mean, since .03 is about 1/32" I use that for a frame of reference, four physics courses at the Univ. of Minnesota thirty five years ago aint helping out much now, lol

my current  exp. cell now is 1" outer with 7/8" inner and a 1/64 gap and both three inches long, with the center filled with epoxy

I'm going to the scrap yard tomorrow as speedymetals wants $20 UPS to send me the $4 of parts...

the audiophile websites have a bit of discussion on out of phase coils interacting and that is where I'm re-learning and hopefully applying the comments here to make some headway toward producing a unipolar pulse on the oscope

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Re: My Thoughts on how Meyer split water
« Reply #49 on: July 22, 2011, 00:53:36 am »
 1/32 equals       .03125, again horseshoes and hand grenades

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Re: My Thoughts on how Meyer split water
« Reply #50 on: July 22, 2011, 07:42:19 am »
I'll call your bluff tw! I think your answer while it maybe the form of calculation is not the reason for the variable inductance...


Let me share the cross over of physics and electronics that is going on here (based on what you imply is happening, resonance and gas production). Meyers used frequency presets for his input, he had set frequencies to work with. Variable inductors are easier to make than trimmers and pots(this point is important, especially for the KISS part). His whole cell and electronics is designed to resonate. We all know the LC Resonance calculations. So his inductors then capacitance cell is in a LC circuit.


Have  any of you measured the capacitance of your cells when they are immersed in water verses when they are empty? You will find there is a dramatic difference. So how do we ensure that resonance continues when our capacitance changes?
You can adjust circuit frequency, inductance or capacitance. He had set frequencies, so he needed to bridge the steps in frequencies. I would say he did the calculations for his cell (based on capacitance) and then made his inductors. Realizing how wide the range is on a variable inductor he more than likely only needed one in his circuit to bridge out the frequecy steps. This would also be why he stated that the gap in the cell could be changed also. Change the gap size to adjust the cell capacity to ensure resonance. Covering all 3 variable to maintain resonance in patents meant no technical work around.


So yes you are right, partially. There is a relation between the cell dimensions and the variable inductor. Your answer is far more complicated than it needed to be and is a bit backwards. The inductance/frequency range needs to accommodate the cell from 0 production (full capacitance) to full production (lowest capacitance).
The unfortunate thing is that a cell full of H2 O2 is not the same capacitance as air. Something else to consider is a moving dielectric has different properties to a stationary one.


Having 2 inductors in a resonant circuit won't turn a signal from square to analogous. A transformer will though.


Stans system is different from AP's in every way except concept and working principal... As their origins and original purpose were different. AP's came from observations from his experiments on his own line in health and well being, more accidental. Stan, I would say, didn't want anything to do with the rest of what AP was doing so took the PRINCIPAL and the PROCESS of what was happening and made something that did only that. One small part in what AP's machine can do. (instead of using a bus to get yourself to and from work you take the principal and concept and take a car :P bad link but simple)


What you have done is dictated the dimensions and thus capacity range of Stans cell based on the information you aquired. What i have done is shown you how to know what inductor you need for your already made cell...

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Re: My Thoughts on how Meyer split water
« Reply #51 on: July 22, 2011, 08:35:48 am »
The resonant action is described in the fracturing cell patent. Free electrons and positive protons speed are more than twice greater than other charged particles species in the water, so they get accelerated towards the respective opposite sign field zone, when the field reverses the electrons and the protons collide forming monoatomic hydrogen gas than this will release heat forming the diatomic gas molecule. Similarly the OH- gains one electron and eject the H+ atom, than the O-- forms to o2 also releasing heat and 2 free electrons... 


However to get this point you need a power supply..


and meyer uses the water as electrical source and gas source and feedback back the electrical energy to the polarization process than the gain become exponential-


with a reduction in capacitance of 100 you can have a gain of 99x being charge conserved...


Using water as the electrical source of course allow for the destabilization of the gas thru the simple series eec amp consuming element...


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Re: My Thoughts on how Meyer split water
« Reply #52 on: July 22, 2011, 08:59:04 am »
Some of you guys have no idea what the variations in inductance have to do with this circuit. It's by far the most important part of the process. With out this, HV's alone will do nothing to the water molecule. I've generated more than 4kv across the molecule and have gotten ZERO production, not one single bubble formation. The chokes are independent of each other for the most part. His formulas of L1+L2 added together to get resonance with the cell is a misdirection in this case to protect his process. There's a couple of guys who are on the right track with what they are saying, they just need to follow through with their thoughts.

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Re: My Thoughts on how Meyer split water
« Reply #53 on: July 22, 2011, 20:52:26 pm »
My 2 cents on A. Puharich work:
I seen all his interviews, who i could find. I also read all the material of the web.
If i remember right, AP wrote that it was expensive to rent the lab he used for his electrolysis process tests.
It was expensive because he needed equipment to count the electrons used in the process.
He found out that by using his blood research tools on water, that he could modify the angle of the H atoms towards the oxygen atom in a water molecule.
Now the point: He never said he had OU. His process was very efficient.
Unlike what Meyer wrote about his resonant wfc. Meyer wrote that he could see the water evaporate when his cell went into resonance...

The rumor is that AP had a motorcycle running on water and that he have been driving the thing for months....
Thats what i like... ;)


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Re: My Thoughts on how Meyer split water
« Reply #54 on: July 22, 2011, 23:28:32 pm »
In the invention, the adjustable frequency generator (Figure 12) tunes into the resonant condition of the circuit including the water cell and the water therein. The generator has a frequency capability of 0 to 10 KHz and tunes into resonance typically at a frequency of 5 KHz in a typical 3.0 inch water capacitor formed of a 0.5 inch rod enclosed within a 0.75 inch inside diameter cylinder. At start up, in this example, current draw through the water cell will measure about 25 milliamp; however, when the circuit finds a tuned resonant condition, current drops to a 1 – 2 milliamp minimum leakage condition.


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Re: My Thoughts on how Meyer split water
« Reply #55 on: July 23, 2011, 00:15:08 am »
Ok I'll drop you guys another hint...What will the difference of inductance do to the frequency that is being pulsed to the chokes?