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Re: unipolar pulse trains
« Reply #32 on: November 02, 2008, 02:40:30 am »
alright so my input frequency is 5.57 khz of pulsed dc through my transformer and stepped up in voltage on the other side...now the secondary is isloated from the primary forming the vic circuit......when it becomes a unipolar double pulse frequency (i sent it through a diode bridge for a full wave rectification (his inductor with diode concept does not work ....with what i have atleast) it is at a frequency of 11.26 khz i guess basically twice the frequency since it's double pulsed......but at this point i notice my stepped up voltage is now basically stepped down alot.....from around 30 volts to around 5 volts........then the unipolar double frequency pulse is sent through the blocking diode and into my 3.3 millihenry inductor bifilarw wound and then into sent into my water capcitor with a capcitance of .061 micro farad.......incredibly small.......so my amp draw drops to around .18 amps and the voltage goes to around 25......not 132 like it should be.....i'm not sure what is going on.....any ideas.....could my oscope probe being connecting between the excitor zones be doing something?.....i do recall when i first touched my multimeter to the tubes it read around 132.......so maybe having the oscope continually connected adds some form of something causing the voltage to drop.......but i think the reason my shit isn't going to soar to around 40,000 volts is becuase "if the electronic compnents allow it to".......so i need a larger inductor......i need to get a 60 henry or larger inductor.....and resistive wire would help to boost the resonance by alot......this added material would allow the electronics to go even farther......i am almost positive it is not necessary but a great great addition.......so where i am now......i have the concept and the foundation laid.....time to just build upon it.....I WILL POST VIDEOS TONIGHT I PROMISE.......crap i just re did all of the above and have new numbers.....a more perfect square wave gives a perfect unipolar pulse....mine was a tad off. literally a tad.

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Re: unipolar pulse trains
« Reply #33 on: November 02, 2008, 05:09:59 am »
kinesisfilms

Looking forward to seeing your video.  ;D
Good luck finding your coils,
You may have to make them.

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Re: unipolar pulse trains
« Reply #34 on: November 02, 2008, 07:50:28 am »
alright so here is my statistics with my electronics that won't strive to go towards infiniti....i need some mystical shit to get me to get me to 20kv...........so my primary input is 11,700 Hz of 12 vdc 50 percent duty cycle at 2.14 amps......the vic is pulling .174 amps at 29 volts.........this is what doesn't make sense.......my input wattage is 25.68 and the output wattage is 5.046......where is the otyher 20 watt lost??? my voltage should be 147.58 volts......nopeeee......but i have the step charging working sooo perfectly.....anyone know where the loss would be?....hmm i just looked at kevin wests facts.....http://www.waterforfuel.com/product4.html...i think i am going to try to link the capcitance with the inductance like he did....crap nevermind.....he uses an alternator which can alter the ac current before it becomes wave recitifed.....i am working with square waves of pulsed dc......and they have to remain 50% duty cycle which limits me to 3 frequencies with my pwm and audio transformer.....so the only way i can change my capcitor size is to change my inductance to a larger value preferrably one of smaller inductance......it appears that with the resonant frequency equation i need smaller L in order to have larger C....

argh....this is what is confusing me at the moment.....stans rlc circuit is a series circuit......yet a resonant circuit that has current of zero and voltage towards infiniti is a parallel one......hmm....

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Re: unipolar pulse trains
« Reply #35 on: November 02, 2008, 10:12:04 am »
so if voltage is to ascend towards infiniti we must have a parallel circuit....stans resonant charging chokes are in series with the capacitor which would actually increase current and lower voltage.....but if they are bifilar wound the magnetic fields would cancel each other out and produce no current.......so how can anything be done.......i hope this is the parallel i have been wondering about

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/vicparallel.jpg)

if he actually uses the secondary as his inductor then we have ourselves the parallel lc circuit...and this overlooked detail was the answer to everything.

I NEED TO CALCULATE MY TRANSFORMERS SECONDARY INDUCTANCE.....I HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO THOUGH....these websites on how to measure inductance are vague....I THINK THIS IS THE LAST STEP AND I WILL HAVE A VIC.

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Re: unipolar pulse trains
« Reply #36 on: November 02, 2008, 10:38:46 am »
Kenisis,

Its good to see you up and running!
The idea of the LC with trafo'sec and wfc is what crossed my mind a year ago.
I hope you get it working, but i think it will not work because of the diode in the closed circuit...

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Re: unipolar pulse trains
« Reply #37 on: November 02, 2008, 13:28:03 pm »
lol @ stevo, Shame on you...

Kines, maybe this will help you a small bit.


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Re: unipolar pulse trains
« Reply #38 on: November 02, 2008, 16:01:36 pm »
kinesisfilms

I hope this helps
                                        2       2m                                -6
Henrys or L =    Mr  x     N   x   A     x      1.26     x     10
                                           L

Mr = permability of the core,  Air is = to 1, Ferite or iron powder would be more
 
N = number of turns  squared

A = area of the exterior of the core in square meters

L = length of the wire in meters

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Re: unipolar pulse trains
« Reply #39 on: November 02, 2008, 18:43:30 pm »
spike i have no idea about any of that information to fill in those equations i have seen that equation already but have no use for it thank you anyways i think i am going out to home depot/radio shack for an inductance meter right now......

i am almost positive that the transformer winding is what makes this a parallel lc circuit allowing potential energy to ascend towards infiniti......my setup right now is a step charging series bifilar lc circuit.....i know why my watts were lost......my series lc circuit maximes current and minimizes  voltage since impedance is zero but the bifilar coil resists voltage.....it' is lost in the magnetic field........now that i can see the parallel lc circuit with the transformers secondary........it all makes perfect sense........so first we get the resonant frequency of the capcitor and the secondary transformer (inductor) then voltage is towards infiniti while current goes to zero.....but current won't necessarily go that close to zero due to electronic equipment.....thus hte bifilar coil comes into play and acts as a resistor through magnetic fields........furthering the voltage......and now that i understand the parallel lc circuit being the secondary transformer and the water capcitor i might be able to get rid of my bridge recitifier since stanleys diode and resonant charging chokes might actually produce the double pulse.......


SEE THIS ENTIRE TIME I WAS THINKING THE INDUCTOR THAT MAKES ALL THIS WORK IS IN THE RESONANT CHARGING CHOKES......WHEN IN FACT IT'S THE ENTIRE VIC......THE SECONDARY IS A PART OF THE COMPLETE SYSTEM......THE SECONDARY IS PROBABLLY THE MOST IMPORTANT PART......the transformer has to resonate....