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Re: Electrode comparison
« Reply #40 on: December 01, 2018, 15:19:05 pm »
i just had another thought what if we use the hydrogen to lower  the potential of the anode?

making the hydrogen pass thru the anode would make it become charged to -1,24 volts too so the voltage diference because of chemical charge would at least be reduced..

i dont think the hydrogen would not even be consumed it must charge the anode negatively

in meyer cell the gas is forced to pass thru the inner electrode !! 

not sure if its enough to get a decent neutrality..

im inclined to think that there were other things in meyers cells that we didnt see... i say meyers because is the only one we saw something
 
i´m curious about this electrode potential and how to manipulate it, i believe there is some good road in this way

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Re: Electrode comparison
« Reply #41 on: December 01, 2018, 16:57:15 pm »
For example you have iron and a dilute solution of HCl the iron will decompose naturally...

is it possible to charge the iron with high voltage in relation to the solution such as to interrupt the decomposition of iron? or in relation to the outside of the bath?


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Re: Electrode comparison
« Reply #42 on: December 01, 2018, 17:11:46 pm »
i was thinking about one thing too

sacrificial ..  is an metal you add to another metal such as to protect...

https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_de_sacrif%C3%ADcio

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Re: Electrode comparison
« Reply #43 on: December 01, 2018, 22:20:03 pm »
 

Water electrolysis electrode potentials with pH

Electrolysis electrode potentials with pH Generally, the water next to the electrodes c will change pH due to the ions produced or consumed. If the electrode compartments are separated by a suitable porous membrane then the concentration of H3O+ in the anolyte and OH- in the catholyte (and hence the increase in the respective conductivities) are both expected to increase more than if there is free mixing between the electrodes, when most of these ions will neutralize each other. Small but expected differences in the solutions’ pHs next to the anode (anolyte) and cathode (catholyte) cause only a slight change to the overall potential difference required (1.229 V). Increasing the acid content next to the anode due to the H3O+ produced will increase its electrode potential (for example: pH 4 E = +0.992 V) and increasing the alkaline content next to the cathode due to the OH- produced will make its electrode potential more negative (for example: pH 10 E = -0.592 V). If the anode reaction is forced to run at pH 14 and the cathode reaction is run at pH 0.0, then the electrode potentials are +0.401 V and 0 V respectively (see above right). d
     (a) Anode         pH 0        2 H2O -> O2 + 4H+ + 4e-            E° =   +1.229 V

     (b) Anode        pH 14       4 OH- -> O2 +H2O + 4e-             E° =   +0.401 V

     (c) Cathode     pH 0         4 H+ + 4e- -> 2H2                       E° =   0.0 V

     (d) Cathode     pH 14     4 H2O + 4e- -> 2H2 +4OH-           E° =   -0.828 V

 

This does not mean that because the electrolysis can be achieved with a (minimum) voltage of +0.403 V (see equations c and b, above) [2515], it breaks the thermodynamic requirement of 1.229 V as there is a further input of energy required in keeping the electrode compartments at the required pHs and solute concentration.

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Re: Electrode comparison
« Reply #44 on: December 02, 2018, 02:41:31 am »
Im not sure what you are tryn to accomplish with all that Seb but I like the 11ev myself...you have to remember the common denominator with all this...make gas.
We have a different understanding with the magnetic fields and precession,obviously a diffrent goal as well lol.

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Re: Electrode comparison
« Reply #45 on: December 02, 2018, 20:06:19 pm »
i just had another thought what if we use the hydrogen to lower  the potential of the anode?

making the hydrogen pass thru the anode would make it become charged to -1,24 volts too so the voltage diference because of chemical charge would at least be reduced..

i dont think the hydrogen would not even be consumed it must charge the anode negatively

in meyer cell the gas is forced to pass thru the inner electrode !! 

not sure if its enough to get a decent neutrality..

im inclined to think that there were other things in meyers cells that we didnt see... i say meyers because is the only one we saw something
 
i´m curious about this electrode potential and how to manipulate it, i believe there is some good road in this way


Fabio, i love your creative thoughts  :)

Ill guess some of the hydrogen will settle in the metal.
I did some theoratical reaearch on that and found that Herman P Anderson used nickel plating as it has some kind of micro caves that collect hydrogen...
Together with the magnetic pulses ans so on, it should be part of cold fusion proces

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Re: Electrode comparison
« Reply #46 on: December 03, 2018, 09:58:18 am »
I´m thinking about doing the following experiment

with some cells in series like this for apply 12v directly

every cell in serie will multiply the amperage in terms of hydrogen production so for 10 cells in series using 40 amps would be like 400 amps of hydrogen produced..

Anode HCl Cathode - Anode NaOH Cathode - Anode HCl Cathode - Anode NaOH Cathode - Anode ...

I´m not sure whats going to happen on the middle electrode.. the problem is that the solutions must not be in contact with each other,..

i think about using multiple isolated cells but of course will do only a couple to see whats going on...

next test will be to get the hydrogen bubbles get on the anode! .. the idea is that it would further reduce the potential... perhaps an air pump could be used to recirculate the gas on the anode perhaps on the opposite side where the reaction is going

i´m starting to think that the electron extraction grid was actually the anode in meyer cell so the hydrogen would have to pass thru it!

I imagine a 3 plate cell pretty much like the one in the video but with the anode on the up side for the bubbles of hydrogen reach it "! or passing thru a ss screen connected to the anode.

I think meyer said platinum could not be used `` it would breakdown under the conditions  / New Zealand `` perhaps because it would ignite the hydrogen with the oxygen at the anode... 

i dont know much about the cold fusing process but i guess the basic idea would be to get the hydrogen cheap and mess around with it with radiation and voltage to stimulate the energy to get out like all the inventors said.. to get a decent magnetic field on the cell maybe would be better to wind a coil around the cell itself or use permanent magnets

talking about magnetic fields how its going with the Horvath cell Steve?

i was thinking why the hell Meyer used a resistor in that patent and he talks about reaching different potential levels etc ..i wonder what was that about 

i think we should do the following experiment too urgently

have a 10Kohm high power resistor like 40w and get an isolated low voltage source too

connect the dc low voltage across the cell and the the 10kohm resistor between the cathode and ground

than pulse the anode with the vic to get 600 volts at it and see what happen with the current on the dc accordingly with the pulsing

i guess this was what he was trying to protect

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Re: Electrode comparison
« Reply #47 on: December 03, 2018, 10:29:37 am »
thats still waiting for me to continue with.
The current project are a lot of solarpanels with two inverters and 20kw of salvaged lithium ion batteries.
I bought another set of broken solar panels for almost nothing l, but i must repair the glas before i can use them....
I also learned how to use raspberry pi computers and how to add scripts on them to finally see some data on a website with the power output and input of the whole system.
I planned to had it finished month ago.......
Still bussy with it now.

But....in january i will go back to my cells and run a lot of tests that i am preperring right now.

cheers!