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##### Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #48 on: May 09, 2018, 05:35:25 am »
Right, electron extraction is phase 3.  It seems to me that this has to be accomplished with a single wire circuit.  Otherwise, with a complete loop electrons would be put back in, behind those which are pulled out.  Inductive spikes can place a charge deficit on a cap connected with just one wire.  So, when the flip flop switch shifts the pulse train from charging the cell to extracting the freed electrons, perhaps the other cell wire needs to be broken, momentarily?

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« Reply #49 on: May 10, 2018, 08:04:22 am »
depending in the switching frequency, we can choose between mosfets or relais....
The video is showing no switching at all towards the eec....
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« Reply #50 on: May 10, 2018, 19:20:04 pm »
Stan's various patents show a variety of ways to do it, including unbroken pulse trains, even constantly increasing spacing between pulses.  The steep leading edge seems to be the consistent factor.  Semiconductors and relays can both produce square waves.  I have little confidence in semiconductors.  The kind of energy I like to use always frys them.  So I spent a lot of time watching relay videos.  But they just don't work for me.  I can build a simple inverter circuit, but as soon as I connect the transformer, the relay stops working.  No matter how big the relay or how small the transformer.  It just doesn't work for me.  No matter what I try, I can't see a way forwards.

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##### Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #51 on: May 10, 2018, 21:27:59 pm »
maybe i'm missing something, where is the switching taking place here?

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« Reply #52 on: May 10, 2018, 22:16:18 pm »
There's an interval during which the step charging pulses to the cell are stopped, to allow the water molecules to 'relax', or self discharge, so they can be step charged again.  During this interval, the pulses are switched to the lightbulb which is part of the electron extraction circuit.  This keeps the cell from heating up, due to the "stretched rubber band" analogy Stan uses in the video.  Electrons which are pulled free are hot (according to Stan) and must be pulled out of the water, to keep the cell cool. He did this by switching the sharp inductive pulses to the light bulb , momentarily.

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« Reply #53 on: May 10, 2018, 23:23:34 pm »
One thing I'm having trouble with is the term 'voltage intensify'.  Stan said that when the outputs from the chokes are combined, the frequency doubles.  (Steve verified this on his scope.). Does this mean the voltage is intensified, just by adding more pulses?  I always thought intensify means increase, as if two pulses were stacked on top of each other.  Doubling the amplitude sharpens the leading edge.  Maybe there's another step which Stan left out on purpose, to pull the extra pulses back, to align them with the original pulses, while keeping the frequency the same?  Or is the intensifying simply caused by sending the pulses through an inductor, with the accompanying voltage increase?  Or would stacking the pulses produce Ed Gray's over/under waveform - a signal which rises and falls, while maintaining  a constant potential difference of at least 13.4 V?  (Shaking the static.)

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##### Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #54 on: May 11, 2018, 19:12:26 pm »
Is good to know you are working on it my friends.

i´m here in brasil still struggling to pay my bills, and dealing with my dad with terminal cancer.. i´m very sorry to not being able to keep doing tests lately..

I´m trying to read and catching up this post info...

my later theories some of i still want to test tell me one thing

1 meyer didnt used the coils to restrict the amps they were there for create the voltage  intensification by collapse.. when a coil collapse unrestrictedly all the energy is dumped at once
2 he used barium titanate to get the at least one of his electrodes coated.. or he had a external capacitor for it very high dielectric with high resistance...
3  his cell was very well insulated from ground allowing to grow high voltage potential relative to ground

In my mere opinion what meyer did was indeed like what he said he charged the cell with dc but giving a high voltage periodic reverse pulse after each positive pulse.. this pulses must cause the resonance on the water molecule making the electrons to momentarily rearrange the molecule to a lower energy state.. meyer says he basicaly disrupt the equilibrium of the water molecule by not having enough electrons...
well what i can tell you about this is that is not possible to extract electrons from there unless some gas is going out missing electrons... this tells us is not only a electronic but also a dynamic system.. pretty much like the faraday thunderstorm generator
imagine this sequence positive allign the molecule oxygen near the electrode and reverse negative pulse shake its electrons...
to be able to extract any electrons from the water the electrons must be at a potential where they are reppeled from the bath so it need to be at negative high voltage... this would make the electrons go down the line..

i believe meyer have used 99% duty cycle and air core instead of 50% somehow this allow for the increase in the voltage according to the techbrieth

today we get a new power tool that i´m going to be using soon

i started to learn how to use arduinos and esp´8266 and esp 32 chips .. it seems to me that this chips are going to allow us all to have the kind of system for tests i have here and that cost toooooo much... talking about labview..

in my opinion the metters we are going to create will be even faster and powerfull besides cheap ..

there are dozens of modules ready to use for signals like voltage current temperature pressure  flow, water level etc

is possible to plot graphs and even keep all the results on a data base
we just need to learn how

well this is a huge step for us because knowing how many watts are you using is the very basic to work with...

there are some watt metters too that can be very cheap and work  as a comparison at the inputs

but is important to monitor currents, voltages, frequencies, number of pulses, dutycycle, and be able to plot all this over a flow measurement

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##### Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #55 on: May 11, 2018, 23:43:01 pm »
well what i can tell you about this is that is not possible to extract electrons from there unless some gas is going out missing electrons

there has been no analysis of the gas produced . positive ionized ?  negative ionized ?  balanced ?
no reverse engineering from that point backward

the same applies to Horvath , puharich , Brown etc no one has any idea what the gas was that was produced just loosely called hydrogen gas.

one thing that is established is that the oxygen atom wants the outer shell fully loaded with electrons , thats not going to change .those electrons have to come from some where .