Author Topic: How the VIC Works - IMPORTANT!  (Read 37371 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Login to see usernames

  • Moderator
  • Sr. member
  • ***
  • Posts: 421
Re: How the VIC Works - Induced DC Current Voltage
« Reply #64 on: March 09, 2015, 19:23:28 pm »
We also hooked the cell different up. In Stans schematic it is betweeb the 2 chokes.
In our schematic the cell is in parallel with the first choke.......
Put that into yr simulators.
Andrei Puharich talked about ac electrolysis....

Interesting thought about thin core.  Not sure it should really matter.  I'm thinking it may keep the impedances low on the coils but this can also be accomplished by smaller coils.

Also, Meyer did indicate that there are different ways to implement the VIC for those who were familiar with the art.  I have no doubt that there are other configurations that may work.  I may give it a shot in simulation but am continuing my real one in its current direction.
« Last Edit: March 09, 2015, 22:35:51 pm by timeshell »

Online Login to see usernames

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero member
  • ****
  • Posts: 3630
Re: How the VIC Works - Induced DC Current Voltage
« Reply #65 on: March 10, 2015, 15:59:59 pm »
So far i understood there are two ways of getting there... one applying high voltage low power and one applying lower voltage probably with higher output...

The point is this is two different systems they don't even look much the same disregarding the cell connections...

I think we need to split into there parts to get it right on the second method

input, transmission , and resonant inductor + cell

Now when the frequency of the cel+inductor is matched to the resonant 1/4 or ((1/4)+(1/2)*n) frequency of the line the voltage is amplified because the pulses are ordered..  frequency is doubled when the resonant inductor + cell collapse generating a pulse that travels back in the line, when it gets to the diode its reflected back to the cell because the diode only allow electric current in one direction, here another pulse comes summing creating the step charging effect ...

the intrinsic series inductance of the line also collapses amplifying voltage

the number of pulses is proportional to the wavelength and resonant frequency.

when impedance of the load = that of the line source there is no reflection... of course at resonance the impedance will not reach exactly zero... it can be a more positive number to allow accommodate to the contaminants on water.. frequency doubly occur any way since the resonant inductor is located between two cells forming a series resonant ckt..


theres still some magic about the cell connections and the tuning procedure..


Online Login to see usernames

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero member
  • ****
  • Posts: 3630
Re: How the VIC Works - Induced DC Current Voltage
« Reply #66 on: March 10, 2015, 23:24:30 pm »
i could be wrong but the next step in the meyer dream was injector system so i think that he was indeed generating gas on demand,....

so theres no to small pressure on the cell or little vaccum indeed... this way the air intake could go straight to the cell (butterfly valve) so the gas is mixed with air than goes to a bubbler and than goes to the engine... i think i would use a small electric turbine to than pressurize the gas before injecting to the engine...

Offline Login to see usernames

  • Moderator
  • Sr. member
  • ***
  • Posts: 421
Re: How the VIC Works - Induced DC Current Voltage
« Reply #67 on: March 11, 2015, 01:30:45 am »
i could be wrong but the next step in the meyer dream was injector system so i think that he was indeed generating gas on demand,....

so theres no to small pressure on the cell or little vaccum indeed... this way the air intake could go straight to the cell (butterfly valve) so the gas is mixed with air than goes to a bubbler and than goes to the engine... i think i would use a small electric turbine to than pressurize the gas before injecting to the engine...

Kind of off topic isn't it?

Online Login to see usernames

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero member
  • ****
  • Posts: 3630
Re: How the VIC Works - Induced DC Current Voltage
« Reply #68 on: March 11, 2015, 11:31:30 am »
i wanted to mean that the gas is generated on demand, there is no need to worry about getting any reserve of gas probably even just using the resonant cell with no injectors..

and so we are talking about the vic this is what it should be its power output indication!

did you tried the frequency doubling?

simply put a coil between two cells and pulse it with a transformer thru a diode
« Last Edit: March 11, 2015, 17:09:24 pm by sebosfato »

Offline Login to see usernames

  • Moderator
  • Sr. member
  • ***
  • Posts: 421
Re: How the VIC Works - Induced DC Current Voltage
« Reply #69 on: March 14, 2015, 08:42:39 am »
Here's a new tidbit to think about.

If you have the coils in the VIC opposing each other, what is the total inductance going to be?  For example, let's say choke L1 is 1.2H and the secondary on the same core is 1.4H and they are wired to oppose each other.  Their net inductance will be less than the two of them.  For me, although just subtracting the lesser from the greater didn't result in the actual inductance so I am assuming there is another factor involved such as mutual inductance.   At any rate, let's say that the net difference leaves us with 200mH.

200mH doesn't match up with a 1nF capacitor to give a frequency of  let's say 5kHz. So, the final choke, L2 needs to make up for the difference.   We need a total of 1.1H to make resonance at 5kHz.  So, L2 in this example would need to be 900mH to achieve proper resonance in this circuit.
« Last Edit: March 14, 2015, 16:51:58 pm by timeshell »

Offline Login to see usernames

  • Moderator
  • Sr. member
  • ***
  • Posts: 421
Re: How the VIC Works - Induced DC Current Voltage
« Reply #70 on: March 14, 2015, 16:25:27 pm »
I am presently experimenting with inline resistors in the VIC.  While not desirable in the end result, it has amplified the resonant effect I have been getting and actually increased the RMS volts.  At resonance, the transformer sounds  like it is producing static and you will see higher peaks in the voltage waveform associated with this "static".  I believe this is where the step up is occuring.
« Last Edit: March 14, 2015, 16:48:05 pm by timeshell »

Offline Login to see usernames

  • Moderator
  • Sr. member
  • ***
  • Posts: 421
Re: How the VIC Works - Induced DC Current Voltage
« Reply #71 on: March 14, 2015, 16:45:13 pm »
My experiments have shown that currents of even 8 milliamps may be sufficient to produce electrolysis. So obviously we need to have current less than this. The coils will continue producing a current that is induced in them by creating the necessary voltage to do so because this is the nature of coils.  Therefore the goal should not be to create resistance in the water. The goal should be to produce high resistance in the rest of the VIC while tuning appropriate reactance on the coils and WFC at the desired frequency.  The resistance of the rest of the VIC circuit at resonance should be higher than the resistance of the quality of the water being used.