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Re: My 2nd Theory on VIC Chokes of different values
« Reply #40 on: November 29, 2011, 20:41:06 pm »
I'm a bachelor physics student. And i'm referring to the chokes, only. (Vo-Vn) performs work... 
12-12=0 in terms of circuit impedance gives 0volts... as is clear...  0 volts divided by whatever resistance = 0 power consume. Of course if you send |+12v|    +    |-12v| you will get 24v of potential difference... I'm not talking about this part. This alone won't give any difference from electrolysis...  yet this part is still needed for the completion of the system.

See: Vic matrix circuit memo426 and than re read again the memo 420

it wouldn't be 12-12=0.....it would be 12-(-12)=24.....basic mathematics, we are working with positive and negative integers here.

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Re: My 2nd Theory on VIC Chokes of different values
« Reply #41 on: November 30, 2011, 01:04:33 am »
Where did the idea that the chokes were different sizes come from? I kind of agree with Fabio if I am understanding him correctly. The chokes need to have opposing fields or poles. Voltage drop of the diode should have negligible or no effect on the chokes. 24V is 24V no matter how you do the math.

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Re: My 2nd Theory on VIC Chokes of different values
« Reply #42 on: November 30, 2011, 01:23:00 am »
Some Basics...
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Potential energy and zero reference.
Potential energy is the capacity to do work. Potential energy is an integral function of force and as such, has a constant of integration. This constant can be set to any value needed to establish a desired zero point for the potential energy. Because this constant is arbitrary, the point of zero potential is completely arbitrary, although we usually pick the zero point by convenience or some logical choice. Because the point of zero potential is arbitrary, it is the difference in potential that has physical meaning to us.


Electric potential and zero reference
Electric potential energy per unit charge is also called electric potential and is measured in volts. Voltage is the difference in electric potential between two points. If an electric field exists between points A & B, and is directed from A to B, the electric potential rise from B to A is equal to the work it would take to move a positive unit charge from point B to point A. Because of the arbitrary constant of integration, the point of zero electric potential is completely arbitrary, although we usually pick the zero point by convenience or some logical choice.


Instantaneous direction for an electric field.
An electric field exerts a force on both positive and negative charges. We call the force that the field exerts on a positive charge to be the positive force direction, and thus the direction of the electric field. With this definition of the electric field direction, we say an electric field is radially outward from a positive charge and radially inward towards a negative charge.


Direction for an AC field.
The voltage with the AC we are most familiar with is represented by an alternating sinusoidal wave and the direction of voltage rise changes every 1/2 cycle. A point charge in the alternating electric field will experience a force in one direction for 1/2 cycle, then a force in the opposite direction for 1/2 cycle. The zero reference point for the measurement of the electric potential for that point charge is arbitrary.

For this potential, the capacity to do work increases to a maximum, then decreases back to zero during each 1/2 cycle with no set positive or negative direction for the full cycle. A positive or negative direction is a choice that we make.

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Re: My 2nd Theory on VIC Chokes of different values
« Reply #43 on: November 30, 2011, 01:55:42 am »
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What happens when two "in-phase" voltages are combined?
Each 1/2 cycle, each voltage will reach a maximum capacity to do work. While the direction of force is arbitrary, we have picked positive directions for both voltages such that the direction we call "positive" maximum capacity for both sources is in the same direction.

We have defined our voltages such that the rise in potential in each conductor is in the same direction, and the capacity to do work will double across both sources. That is what polarity is about: making sure that we align our forces like we want them.


So what happens when two voltages are combined that are out of phase by 180°?
Each 1/2 cycle, each voltage will reach a maximum capacity to do work. While the direction of force is arbitrary, we have picked positive directions for both voltages such that the directions we call "positive" maximum capacity are in opposite directions.

We have defined our voltages such that the potential rises in each conductor are in opposite directions. However, for the "opposite" voltage, the capacity to do work in the "negative" direction is still there. This "negative" capacity to do work will combine with the "positive" capacity to do work of the other voltage. The capacity to do work will double across both sources. Again, that is what polarity is about: making sure that we align our forces like we want them.


Each two-terminal AC source can have a "positive" direction assigned because direction is arbitrary. That goes back to the fundamental definition of electric potential. The voltage produces a force in both directions and it is our assignment of "positive" and "negative" directions that make the difference. Polarity only helps us to align the forces, whether or not we have called them positive or negative.

Why is a 180° difference in the opposite direction not the same as taking the negative of a DC voltage like a battery?
A constant DC voltage does not change direction. The capacity to do work always increases in one direction. Because the electric potential always increases in one direction, there is no phase associated with the DC voltage.

The AC voltage, on the other hand, has a change in direction every 1/2 cycle. The AC voltage has a phase in addition to the assigned positive and negative.

Let's place ourselves between two points that have a difference in potential.

Suppose we look in the direction of a voltage rise on a DC source. Then suppose we turn and look in the opposite direction. In that opposite direction we will always see a decrease in electric potential.

Suppose we look in the direction of a voltage rise on an AC source. Then suppose we turn and look in the opposite direction. In that opposite direction, at that instant, we will see a decrease in electric potential. But, if we wait until 180° later, we will see an increase in electric potential. We can make use of the voltage rise in either direction because the choice of direction of voltage rise is just that: a choice.

We can prove this by combining two sources with the positive voltage rises defined in opposite directions (two voltage sources with a 180° displacement). The force created by the fall of one voltage combines with the force created by the rise of the other. The currents and flux created by these will be the exact same as those created by combining two sources with positive voltage rises defined in the same direction.

It is our assignment of positive and negative that is arbitrary because the AC source has no defined positive and negative direction.

Pulsed DC, on the other hand, has some characteristics of AC while retaining the directional characteristics of DC.

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Re: My 2nd Theory on VIC Chokes of different values
« Reply #44 on: November 30, 2011, 02:26:30 am »
Yes, man this is the idea. well 12+12-12 = 12 The wfc receive the positive pulse and later it receive a negative pulse... when positive the molecules get exited by the polarization process, the bound ceases to exist and during the negative pulses the ions regain the electrons and exit as gas.

Read this good explanation of the water kelvin dropper. http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/phy00/phy00908.htm
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Re: My 2nd Theory on VIC Chokes of different values
« Reply #45 on: November 30, 2011, 03:46:39 am »
The circuitry is really irrelevant in the end. The classic statement, "Let the voltage do the work." is almost an insane statement unless you put it in the proper context. To assume an electrical voltage potential alone can split a water molecule, let alone a few trillion in a container, without any flow of current throughout the entire circuit is ludicrous.  Take that same statement and use it on an atomic level, it has a different meaning. Just as there is a voltage potential between acids and bases, gases also can take on such characteristics. If we were to mix an unstable mass with a stable mass, what do you suppose would happen? Would it violently react in any way? Suppose we were to mix extremely unstable, positively charged oxygen and hydrogen(electron deficient) with water in a voltage zone of 50Kv or so. What will be the reaction?


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Re: My 2nd Theory on VIC Chokes of different values
« Reply #46 on: November 30, 2011, 04:36:01 am »
Meyer explained pretty well in the first video of the Newzealand meeting, the polarization process charges the water till the point its bound ceases to exist. I think the water can instantaneously explode if picked too hard of course, just like stan said it was possible... but himself said 20to40kv where needed simply break the water.

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Re: My 2nd Theory on VIC Chokes of different values
« Reply #47 on: December 01, 2011, 02:04:38 am »
hi lads, i have a question:
With regard to the cell and waveform circuitry and the vic - i was watching a video about meyer explaining how they control the injector - i dont remember the exact phrases will go check again off top of my head but either voltage was increases / reduced and or waveform amplitude was altered to produce more or less energy, so with that thought - when using a cell - has anyone managed to find a way to control the rate of gas production - for when in a vehicle it appears a variable rate of production would be needed. thanks