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Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2011, 12:15:08 pm »
Sebos,

i once tried to pulse the cell and then extract the charge back, by using an EEC.
That worked well. But all the charge you extract from the cell made also less gas.
It all stays a basic electrolysis proces. Just keep as much charge as you can in the cell and you will have the most efficient electrolysis cell.

The idea of charging up the cell, like a capacitor is good thinking, however, you can do it easier with first charging up a capacitor and then hit the cell. No gains in such a system either, as far as i have seen.
If you could raise steadely the voltage in your cell by some kind of dc resonance or whatever system, then maybe you can achieve the catastrophic electrolyte breakdown, ,we all searching for...
Stans famous stepup charging would be great to do so......
But all stepup charging is a time delayed consumtion of current and voltage.
Maybe a breakdown triggers other molecules and then we might get a higher efficiency we are all looking for.

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Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2011, 12:44:59 pm »
Hello steve,


I understand what you mean. But in my thought you just need to make it fast enough to be able to discharge the water before the ions move back. Thats why he had two switches in the electron extraction circuit. However in that way he proposes will probably not work cause you would have unipolar on the transformer with by saturation would become a problem in my view. So i don't see how could you benefit of the electrical energy regenerated. Maybe is not so needed and for that stan could burn the electrons up. Or maybe the saturation can limit the operation to reach stable operation not sure. 
 
The important is to turn off the field and simultaneously short the electrodes with a very short pulse. To be able to discharge the ions just in time before the ions get together again. 


The greater the field the greater will be the energy generated in my opinion.


I think that stan might have used very pure water to be able to maintain a high voltage across the water wasting little to keep the ions far as possible, and very precise and fast switch.


I think that maybe the amount of gas generated will not be much greater than common electrolysis even if it will certainly be but the great thing is that the gases will really come out destabilized if we do it in this way, cause electrons will get out of the solution and won't come back.


The alternator could be used as a motor If alternating current pass thru its windings. So it could use the energy to drive the other coils.. I think that meyer used the alternator this way. He may have modified the field configuration to make it a dc generator, or something like that.


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Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2011, 14:43:02 pm »

More i search, more i find...


The high dielectric constant of water reduces the electrostatic cost of separating the mobileions from their counterions...
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Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2011, 17:52:45 pm »
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Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2011, 19:20:15 pm »
Like a driven ion electret that have ions always automatically replaced when the gases are generated. By driven i mean you need a source of electric force.


Meyers words, When you have 100v and 100 amps you have 10kw o electrical power. The key is that we are generating electricity together with the gases. You could also stabilize the atoms again using a earth source, but you really don't want to do it, you want to destabilize.


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Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2011, 05:46:15 am »
Hi Tony
Thanx for schematic. Do you conect diode in your circuit on resonance like stan do and what was waveform  on wfc ? I want also ask about imput voltage - 30 VDC it be from secondary of transformer and bridge rectifier and condenser ? or it be ripping dc from secondary and rectifier only?
And your VIC is composed of two separate chokes or bifilar wound two chokes on the same core ? If you can tell my what core and what diametr wire and how many turn per choke? Sorry for so many question and thanks for reply Tony.
All the best in new year.
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Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2011, 14:39:28 pm »
I have it connected just as in the schematic. The chokes are bifilar wound on a single core and measure just over 2H each. I retested my setup and I get a max voltage across the cell of just over 400VAC RMS (1132V peak-to-peak) while applying 10V full-wave rectified (120Hz) DC pulsed at 2.296kHz. The current measured is 58mA, so the Power input is just over 1/2 a watt, 0.58W.

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Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2011, 15:31:07 pm »
I would just like to try correct what i sayd, The H+ ion in water travel at 4,757meters per second with one volt applied. But there start to be a voltage across it and the oh- ions when you separate them... That why meyer gave those equations for the acceleration for the force between two charges (witch is wrong on the text book cause is missing the K witch is +- 9*10^-9 and the equation of the voltage of a charge in a dielectric witch is also wrong. So the voltage recovered will be a certain fraction of the voltage applied. Thats why he used many kv. If you apply 1kv positive from a circuit on one side and 1kv negative on the other side isolated from each other you create the field without the flow of electrons. Ps they can be isolated but magnetically coupled.


All this to say that i was wrong in the assumption of the 5khz for the gate. It could be much higher and will depend only o how fast you can accelerate the ions and absorb them to be able to discharge them.


There are three things occurring at the same time, the capacitor is charging, energy is being lost on the leakage resistance of the water and the ions are getting accelerated to their respective electrodes. The positive electrode will have oh- ions and so on.


So to lower resistive losses the water capacitor should be charged in a fraction of its rc time by pulses 100 times higher in frequency, at a voltage that cause a force and this an acceleration to allow the ions to move within this small time to the respective electrodes, and than should be discharged thru a heating element able to emit electrons as per get destabilized ionized gases.


I was thinking and Man this is genial.


Do you remember when told you that i've talked to a physicist of the institute of the plasma and he said that for having ionization you need high temperatures cause only high temperature could maintain the ions far enough?


Meyer was so intelligent that he created a high temperature only at this heating element witch makes the electrons to get ejected and stay away because of the heat so the gases could already get out of the water destabilized or ionized and cold. Not all the molecules for sure, but for sure maybe more or less than 1%..   


Having 1% of the gases ionized you create a condition witch the gas conducts 90% of its maximum allowed conduction.


If the proportion of energy in water that he talked was so big, even if we have a very small ionization we are going to get a very higher energy yield.


So the pure the water the best it is.
The higher the voltage the faster will be the cycle.
The greater the emission coefficient of the heating element the grater will be the ionization.
Care must be taken to not allow this gas to stabilize.