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##### The truth on how to run your engine on a Waterfuelcell
« on: March 22, 2010, 14:21:16 pm »
Facts:

Burning velocities of hydrogen-air and hydrogen-oxygen mixtures.
The burning velocity is a function of the fuel and the oxidizer and the mixture ratio.

Hydrogen = fuel
Oxygen = oxidizer

Burnrate of hydrogen+oxygen = 10 m/s till like 36.8 m/s
Burnrate of hydrogen+ air      = 1.8 m/s till like 4.4 m/s
Burnrate of unleaded petrol = 0.34 m/s

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/autos/gasoline-faq/part4/preamble.html

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Now back to our subject here.

Hydrogen does NOT burn without use of Oxygen.
The amount of Oxygen dictates burn velocity of the HHO and air mix.

By adding electrons to this mix of gasses, we will eliminate (neutrilizes) the oxygen atoms. We neutrilize till a level that the right burnrate velocity has been achieved.

Because we need a sertain amount of gasvolume running thru the engine, we need the ambient air. So, the output of a Wfc, mixed with ambient air provides the amount of volume needed in the engine.
The addition of electrons makes the gas mix similair to petrol by neutrilizing a part of the Oxygen atoms (aka oxidizer).

CASE SOLVED (i think )

Steve
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##### Re: The truth on how to run your engine on a Waterfuelcell
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2010, 14:39:07 pm »
Now think futher:

What would happen if you where able to create an airflow with lots of "extra"electrons and make that air buble into the bottum of a waterbucket.
What could happen here?

Because there is always a jumping of hydrogen atoms and oxygen atoms, it would be very possible that the oxygen atom will bond with the free elctrons and we will get pure hydrogen out of the water without electrolysis......

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
My mind is getting crazy now......

Steve

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##### Re: The truth on how to run your engine on a Waterfuelcell
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2010, 14:40:12 pm »
Thats what i would call "charging up the water "      LOL

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##### Re: The truth on how to run your engine on a Waterfuelcell
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2010, 14:42:29 pm »
Use the exhaust air flow and ionize it with lots of extra electrons and feed that into a bucket of water.....
Of use an airpump....

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##### Re: The truth on how to run your engine on a Waterfuelcell
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2010, 15:18:56 pm »
did you try it?

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##### Re: The truth on how to run your engine on a Waterfuelcell
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2010, 15:22:29 pm »
did you try it?

Not yet.
Ionizer is on the workbench, blowing lots of cold ionized air in my face...
Doing a 12Kv on a single needle.

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##### Re: The truth on how to run your engine on a Waterfuelcell
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2010, 15:57:43 pm »
Now think futher:

What would happen if you where able to create an airflow with lots of "extra"electrons and make that air buble into the bottum of a waterbucket.
What could happen here?

Because there is always a jumping of hydrogen atoms and oxygen atoms, it would be very possible that the oxygen atom will bond with the free elctrons and we will get pure hydrogen out of the water without electrolysis......

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
My mind is getting crazy now......

Steve

I did try this last year, it was one of my last tests and didn't work.

my set up was:

TV Fly back transformer
Air compressor
sealed glass container with water.

I had plastic tube going to the bottom of the sealed glass container connected to the air compressor. I could regulate the amount of air flow. also the tube inside the container was plugged and I punctured several little holes in the tube so the air bubbles would be smaller.

the container cap had an second plastic hose for the air to exit.

filled the container with water.

then I tested it, HV coil generating over 25kv, feeding air from the compressor, at different air flow rates.

I cold smell the ionized air exiting the exit tube,

so Ionized air was going in and going under water, but it had no effect at all on making any sort of hydrogen.

now that I'm typing this, I though of one thing I should have tried but didn't think of and you may want to try, and that is using hot water. vs just cold.