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Title: UV LEDs.. will it help???
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 26, 2009, 23:31:28 pm
So I have these 10 mm Super bright UV LEDs, going to see if it help production.


Putting 32 of them facing each other.
Title: Re: UV LEDs.. will it help???
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 26, 2009, 23:34:38 pm
Nice, Mr.Jolt, very nice.

Please let us know what your results will be. Very interesting.

br
Steve
Title: Re: UV LEDs.. will it help???
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 26, 2009, 23:40:03 pm
I am interested to see how this works out! the last few days i have been focusing on the gas processor.
Title: Re: UV LEDs.. will it help???
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 26, 2009, 23:46:34 pm
Yeah, I'm curious too.

I know I have said I was done with Stan, but this is like a virus, once you get infected you can't get rid of it.

I'm planing to test it tomorrow.
Title: Re: UV LEDs.. will it help???
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 27, 2009, 00:38:30 am
It cant hurt Stevie ... It cant hurt ...
Title: Re: UV LEDs.. will it help???
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 27, 2009, 01:06:04 am
what wavelength are they?

i will scower this forum for my orginal research on wavelength and oxygen.
Title: Re: UV LEDs.. will it help???
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 27, 2009, 01:26:52 am
400 to 420nm
Title: Re: UV LEDs.. will it help???
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 27, 2009, 04:27:02 am
it takes 193nm to dissasociate O2 into O and O and it takes 225nm to ionize Oxygen....if using led's only.....with high voltage you can use other types of led's such as infrared.
Title: Re: UV LEDs.. will it help???
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 27, 2009, 04:45:51 am
How does high voltage change the wavelength you can use? (just asking because I don't know)

Is it because you merely need to add energy to the atom and the electron to assist the voltage? rather than make use of direct photon ionization?
Title: Re: UV LEDs.. will it help???
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 27, 2009, 04:51:04 am
alright it is the same concept as the hydrogen fracturing process on the electrons......

when you add energy to an atom you are basically saturated it with too much energy that it normally holds so in direct consequence of doing this the outer electron of the oxygen atom moves farther and farther apart towards the positive electrode and is eventually removed and instantly used by the EEC in hte ionizer.......now that is with high voltage......if you are going to do it with LEDs you better have the exact diode to allow this to happen.....now energy is energy......regardless if it is potential kinetic or light.....ir performs work.....so even saturating hte atom with light energy will do the same thing.......so at the time there were no UV LED'S keyword LEDs available that worked at the proper frequency to ionize oxygen.......so stan used his already high voltage VIC to (let's say theoretically) pull the oxygen electron out 75 percent and then use the inrared LED to pull it the remaining 25 percent of the way.
Title: Re: UV LEDs.. will it help???
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 27, 2009, 05:01:17 am
Ok, so now we have the proper wavelength LEDs? we could make a gas processor without high voltage? Or still do both and just have a better one.
Title: Re: UV LEDs.. will it help???
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 27, 2009, 08:22:05 am
well yes we might be able to make a gas processor without high voltage with just LEDs......but it doesn't mean the light will be evenly spaced throughout the cell and hit every oxygen particle on the pulse times.....where if we have a high votlage electrical field every single particle has to go through that field........so it is better if we used high voltage and the exact UV led's......or you can stick to the patent and use the infrared......either way use high votlage!.....it is a field wher eevery oxygen molecule will have to pass through....the chances of ionization are higher with the use of voltage and light.
Title: Re: UV LEDs.. will it help???
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 27, 2009, 10:48:04 am

Hi Electrojolt,

I used 40 pcs UltraBright, 5mm UV LED`s in a tube cell August last year, and got no improvement in water splitting.

Hope you will get a better result.


Best regards
Title: Re: UV LEDs.. will it help???
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 27, 2009, 13:30:20 pm

Hi Electrojolt,

I used 40 pcs UltraBright, 5mm UV LED`s in a tube cell August last year, and got no improvement in water splitting.

Hope you will get a better result.


Best regards
Because it is not to split water, but to aid HV ionizing (and destabilizing) of the combustible- and ambient air gases, remember?
Still, it is good you've tried this

correction:
led interaction with water in wfc does get mentioned in techbrief.
Title: Re: UV LEDs.. will it help???
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 27, 2009, 15:11:28 pm

Hi Electrojolt,

I used 40 pcs UltraBright, 5mm UV LED`s in a tube cell August last year, and got no improvement in water splitting.

Hope you will get a better result.


Best regards

Hey, Thanks for sharing your test results.

I'm going to do several tests including HV, water mist, ionize HHO.. a hole bunch of tests.
Title: Re: UV LEDs.. will it help???
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 01, 2009, 04:13:33 am
Nothing exciting to report.
Title: Re: UV LEDs.. will it help???
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 01, 2009, 06:22:00 am
damn...i knew that would happen.......you need some high voltage to accompany those led's....they don;t offer enough energy to help.
Title: Re: UV LEDs.. will it help???
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 01, 2009, 21:15:11 pm
Yes, in my studying of both the GP's the other day it was evident that the small GP was attached to an external VIC, as opposed to the big GP which had an internal VIC.

My plan is to use the Multi Bobbin VIC or a varied configuration thereof, to run the GP. (As I imagine Stan would have done)

However you still have to consider the proper pulsing of the LEDs, (which might be synchronized with the pulsing of the VIC in some form?)

I am thinking i'll test both Red LEDs and then some cheap UV LEDs (similar to yours), just make the LED Batteries easily removable so I can switch them.
Title: Re: UV LEDs.. will it help???
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 02, 2009, 00:19:34 am
i wouldn't go with red......i would try infrared....stick with the patents......the good thing is though that since the led's are pulse you cover a wider range of frequencies sine they fade in to being on and fade out to being off....but we see it as instantaneous.......maybe full spectrum led's if that even exists......sort of like sunlight.....i know they make light bulbs with this but i doubt they make led's....who knows maybe.
Title: Re: UV LEDs.. will it help???
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 02, 2009, 00:48:22 am
i read red in the patents, are you sure about infrared?
Title: Re: UV LEDs.. will it help???
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 02, 2009, 01:35:36 am
The gas gun I saw when visiting Stans stuff,had red leds.I didn't see the inside of the smaller air processor to note their color.But the big one was definitely red,all of them.
Don
Title: Re: UV LEDs.. will it help???
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 02, 2009, 01:38:10 am
The gas gun I saw when visiting Stans stuff,had red leds.I didn't see the inside of the smaller air processor to note their color.But the big one was definitely red,all of them.
Don

Don , alk to us about the electrostatic filter as well... Did you see that thing ?
Title: Re: UV LEDs.. will it help???
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 02, 2009, 03:28:26 am
Ok, I see red in the patents, and infrared in the Tech Brief, 935 nm LEDs, memo 422, but this is talking about the laser accelerator, not the GP
Title: Re: UV LEDs.. will it help???
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 02, 2009, 15:18:14 pm
Didn't see the electrostatic filter.Wasn't looking for it.Had more interest in seeing the VIC.Without it,nothing will work.All of this talk about anything other than the VIC is wishful thinking.Unless we get the VIC working,nothing else will work.Everyone should be working on the basics of Stan work,High voltage low current.If we can't prove the basics,how will we ever prove the rest?We need to learn to crawl before we can walk.One thing at a time.
Don