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Title: EPG With Ionized Gas
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 23, 2020, 20:27:05 pm
If you put a vacuum on one end of a long plastic tubing and hold the other end in some steam, closely spaced little plugs of water will form and start flowing through the tube in succession.

A bunch of ionized atomic hydroxy gas particles, injected with the steam, would then form regions of negative charge between the plugs of water.

Would the diamagnetism of the water flowing in a loop around a coil affect the charge clumps' ability to generate a signal in the coil?  Or would it make it stronger?
Title: Re: EPG With Ionized Gas - Electropherous
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 26, 2020, 19:57:13 pm
A regulator could send a series of bubbles through a riser tube surrounded with a number of rings.  A ring which is grounded while a charged bubble passes through it will retain a charge after the bubble and ground connection are gone.  More rings provide more available potential to feed back to the cell.
Title: Re: EPG With Ionized Gas - Electrophorus
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 27, 2020, 10:54:27 am
I'm starting to think this is a pretty good idea.  The Miliken charged water drop apparatus can build up a substantial charge sending drops through a single ring.  Using a large number of rings in tandem with charged bubbles could rapidly accumulate a usable amount of energy.  It's just a question of how many rings each bubble has to pass through to provide enough milli Amps to generate a new bubble in an appropriate amount of time.  Or it could be wired up to output a series of pulses, rather than for accumulating a heavy charge.
Title: Re: EPG With Ionized Gas
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 28, 2020, 08:29:30 am
Thats a very nice idea!
My compliments  :)
You are right. How many rings ajd how right together can they be mounted...
Title: Re: EPG With Ionized Gas
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 28, 2020, 23:05:24 pm
With electrostatic induction, a ring will 'see' an ion filled bubble when it's at a distance of two and a half times the radius of the bubble.  Anything greater than that is considered as infinity, electrically.  Two rings have to be spaced a little more than two and a half times the diameter of the bubble sitting between them, in order for the rings to be discharged.  If the bubbles are tightly fitting in the riser tube, the rings can be spaced at two and a half times the tube diameter.  And this spacing is between adjacent edges of the rings, discounting the width of the rings.  The number of rings is limited only by the length of the riser.  Which could be dangled from a tall building or even a high altitude balloon.

This thing will either never produce enough energy to generate it's own bubbles, or the bubble stream will require only a specific number of rings to close the loop.  Even if this number is large, many more rings can be added.  Apparently, the charge on the ions doesn't leak off, or else the bubbles would shrink, due to less Coulombic repulsion. 
Title: Re: EPG With Ionized Gas
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 30, 2020, 07:31:55 am
Having charged ions inside the bubbles is an important part of it.  This doesn't happen with normal electrolysis.  My electrode with baffles added produces bigger bubbles which shoot upwards, zipping back and forth at certain points.  This tells me the bubbles are charged.  Another part of it which is just as important is increasing bubble production.

I've found out that I can run a MOT at 5.8 Watts on the power meter.  I use the same current limiting capacitors (7 Mfd) as before in series with one input wire. This makes about the same number of bubbles.  But switching the caps for a much larger value, then a 60 W light bulb doesn't make a bit more.  More milli Amps doesn't make more bubbles.  So I'll see if it's voltage related by using some other little transformers for 3.5 kV and 12 kV.  Current limited, of course.
Title: Re: EPG With Ionized Gas
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 01, 2020, 00:15:05 am
to  form the magnetic gas matrix, both the argon and the paramagnetic metals from the transitional series must be in an ionized
state.  The removal of electrons using the electron extraction circuit helps to stabilize the orientation of the paramagnetic
atoms with the argon acting as a neutral spacer in the matrix.  By pressurizing the mag gas the amount of magnetic flux per
unit volume is increased thereby increasing the output obtained with the pickup coils surrounding the copper tubing  channels

link to njce epg site

https://www.nikola-truck.com/epg-electric-particle-generator

in the multi-tier epg, two linear magnetic pumps were used.
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Title: Re: EPG With Ionized Gas
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 01, 2020, 20:01:03 pm
I still have difficulty with the fact that Stan was using other gasses then the ones you can get out of water....
Title: Re: EPG With Ionized Gas
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 01, 2020, 20:02:03 pm
The EPG must have been his later work, is it?

Thanks Jim, again. Its an interesting topic.
Title: Re: EPG With Ionized Gas
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 02, 2020, 05:05:10 am
I still have difficulty with the fact that Stan was using other gasses then the ones you can get out of water....

His gasses were magnetic, passing through wire pickup coils.  (A MAGNETIC Particle Generator). My proposal involves electrified gasses from water, passing through electrostatic charge coupling rings.  I'm not sure a coil would register a static charge.

I just tested a 1.5 V adaptor plug transformer.  This should produce 9.6 kV when reverse wired.  It does make a decent hV spark, even with a current limited primary.  I should have time to check the bubble quantity in a few days.
Title: Re: EPG With Ionized Gas
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 02, 2020, 10:40:19 am
That sounds promising, Tek...
I tried ionized hho, h2 and o2.
I could not see a tiny raise of volts on my scope...
Title: Re: EPG With Ionized Gas
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 03, 2020, 09:56:19 am
An electric charged particle is a Soure of electric field...

Electric Field Alone wont be able to induce current anywhere. 

To have current output first we need to add work to it energy in form of movement... second this movement must be pulsed or oscilatory so it can induce in a second output coil.

From my perspective the epg tube can be of of this set of coils... I imagine it working like the primary of a tesla transformer...

I did few on the epg tests... hope to have more condition in the future to be able to make more tests...

One thing about the charged particle is that when it's moving is like a wire flowing electricity so it works like a coil and have a certain magnetic field associated with that charge... however a charged particle inside a metallic tube will readily lose its charge to the tube raising the voltage...

The epg should have a manner to keep the charge inside... 

Must have high isolation or there will be no charge at all

The power input is the pressure of the hydrogen produced... and flow is perhaps pulsed by solenoid valves..

Stan show a motor recirculating and so perhaps it mean that the main problems is to keep the ionized particles inside because it takes also power to ionize them... the output will be gases that were not ionized in the process... a tokamak keeps the plasma from touching the walls of the toroid using a toroidal magnetic field... so particles with no charge is not trapped... the higher the pressure more particles will be inside... and hotter it get.

Title: Re: EPG With Ionized Gas
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 04, 2020, 04:55:13 am
A moving electrical charge produces a circumferential magnetic field.  When a charge moves axially through a coil, the charge's magnetic field is parallel to the windings.  This will not produce an output from the coil, whose windings must be cut by the flux.  Getting current from the coil requires a different geometry, such as shown, for example, in Figure 1a of patent #3,196,296.  This demonstrates conclusively that Stan's EPG circuit does not use ionized gas.

I think what he meant by EPG was an electrically powered particle generator, with the particles being magnetic.
Title: Re: EPG With Ionized Gas
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 05, 2020, 11:24:23 am
A moving electrical charge produces a circumferential magnetic field.  When a charge moves axially through a coil, the charge's magnetic field is parallel to the windings.  This will not produce an output from the coil, whose windings must be cut by the flux.  Getting current from the coil requires a different geometry, such as shown, for example, in Figure 1a of patent #3,196,296.  This demonstrates conclusively that Stan's EPG circuit does not use ionized gas.

I think what he meant by EPG was an electrically powered particle generator, with the particles being magnetic.

Exactly!
Title: Re: EPG With Ionized Gas
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 05, 2020, 21:54:24 pm
These magnetic particles are not Monopoles.  Each particle has a North and a South.  When moving, the particles will line up N-S-N-S.  There won't be any adjacent particles both having the same pole pointing in the same direction, askance to the flow.  So, when a pulse enters a coil, the flux lines will be perpendicular to the coil windings.  As the pulse moves towards, then past the center of a coil, the flux will expand, then contract, as seen by the coil.  This produces a rising, then falling output from the coil.  How this might produce more output than input is a mystery to me.  But it would provide a convenient non electronic pulse generating system.
Title: Re: EPG With Ionized Gas
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 18, 2021, 07:51:20 am
imho Unlike liquids, gases can manifest compressional waves.  For the mag gas systems linear magnetic pumping  creates sequential zones or waves of greater and lower flux levels. in the circulating
gas. This is analogous to soundwaves and varying pressure and air density The movement of varying flux past the pickup coils induces a current.
Also by decreasing the distance between the zones or waves of higher flux density ( think increasing frequency of mag pulses in linear drives) it is analogous
to cutting more lines per/sec 

 In the mechanical drive EPGS, it is the increasing velocity that increases the output but only if the increased magnetic zones are
synchronized to the coil spaces. For example if the mechanical drive has let's say sixty pick up coils and the velocity of the ferrofluid is( as reported0"
50 ips and the ferrofluid is pulsed once per second and the alignment coils and the circumference of the "loop" is about 50 inches  (pi times 16), there would be 1 zone of aligned ferrofluid imparting
a magnetic pulse to 60 coils in 1 second. But if you  create 2 magnetic pulses in the core at twice the frequency, you now have all  the pickup coils being
subject to 2 pulses per second It is like having 2 magnets on a generator rotor. If you pulse 60 times per second in the final alignment coil AND have proper
tuning so that all the magnetized zones in the ferrofluid are passing the pickup coils at the same time you have multiplied the output by sixty times

In the parallel setup, it the train of  pulses are not aligned properly, the one current induced in one coil could be cancelled out by another magnetic zone arriving too soon or too late
or leaving the next adjacent pickup coil...That why Stan is seen adjusting the EPGs








Title: Re: EPG With Ionized Gas
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 21, 2021, 03:57:05 am
Can someone tell us what exactly is the benefit of using the EPG?
What is its purpose?
Title: Re: EPG With Ionized Gas
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 17, 2021, 10:53:27 am
  The Main Purpose is to Create a  Gas based Stator with no  moving parts no bearings and nothing to wear out.

 Gas Based power  Generator

DD
Title: Re: EPG With Ionized Gas
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 20, 2021, 00:43:35 am
I think pickup coils surrounding the copper spiral channels are functioning more like a stator
and that the magnetic slurry and mag-gas is analogous to the rotors moving magnetic field./electrical field.
Title: Re: EPG With Ionized Gas
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 26, 2021, 22:08:56 pm


Depends if you want it to work or not i guess

Dan