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Title: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 29, 2010, 10:13:50 am
Here some math based on Meyer and Puharich..they both say the RC time is 5kHz...this doesnt mean to pulse the circuit at 5kHz, this is just the RC time. Using the RC formula RC= 1/(2pi*f*C) we can find the pulsing frequency to fully charge the WFC. We know that the RC time is 5kHz and the cell used had a capacitance of 1.6nF, 3" single tube cell. So it breaks down like this:
RC = 1/(2pi*f*C)
5kHz = 1/(2pi*f*1.6nF)
f = (1/(2pi*1.6nF)) / 5kHz
f = 19904.46Hz
Now we have to take 19904.46Hz and divide it by 5, the reason we divide by 5 is because the 19904.46Hz is the RC total which equals to 5 Time Constants, 5TC.
19904.46Hz / 5 = 3980.89Hz
This 3980.89 Hz is the frequency that the circuit should be pulsed at. This number should look familiar because Puharich states this frequency in his water splitter patent!!!

-Tony Woodside-
http://www.globalkast.com
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 29, 2010, 15:40:26 pm
can you go into a little detail on the 5 time constants like where that value originates... and also why the frequency is switched to division.. still working on my math skillz :/


oh and i posted this on the merry christmas thread.. this is a pdf made by the guy who made all them antigravity/cold fusion videos.. 
it has some other constants in it that are not commonly floating around in the world of physics.. for example shows the math that gives planks constant based off of other constants.. Idk.. still a little over my head.. but i think this is a attempt to explain the physics to what stan was doing.. it has the math for calculating any atoms ground state bohr radius as well as the radius of further orbit shells..

http://wbabin.net/ntham/davis.pdf (http://wbabin.net/ntham/davis.pdf)

Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 29, 2010, 15:49:49 pm
The time constant, TC, deals with how long it takes to charge a capacitor.  1TC will charge a capacitor to 63% and it takes 5 times this to fully charge a capacitor. This is where the 5TC comes into play. The reason for dividing by 5 is because the RC time = 5TC so we want 1TC which will be the pulse frequency.  Heres a link that explains it pretty good http://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/rc/rc_1.html

-Tony Woodside-
http://www.globalkast.com
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 29, 2010, 23:52:09 pm
been doing some testing using my replication of the 8XA circuit...Im using a much bigger VIC bifilar coil than used in the 8XA setup. When I get resonance Im applying 30VDC pulsed at 2.4kHz to the VIC and measuring on just over 360VAC @ < 60mA across the cell.  The reason you get an AC voltage across the cell is due to the use of a LCL configuration. The LCL configuration will have a bidirectional current between the inductors and you will have a sinusoid waveform or AM waveform at resonance.  Because of the bidirectional current is why Stan used a blocking diode so to make the current go in one direction so that it doesn't short out the secondary of the transformer. Here are some of the waveforms scope shots Im getting at resonance.
(http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/scope/SDC10555.JPG)

(http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/scope/SDC10548.JPG)

(http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/scope/SDC10558.JPG)

(http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/scope/SDC10550.JPG)

-Tony Woodside-
http://www/globalkast.com
WFC Research
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 31, 2010, 05:42:57 am
Based on the XC and resonant frequency formulas I've come up with a value of 407mH for my chokes. so C=10.8nF, Fr=2.4kHz and Lt=407mH the resistance in the circuit is around 6143 ohms. So this is with in range based on my measurements, 363v / 6143 = 59mA.
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 31, 2010, 09:33:01 am
Hi Tony
Can You post your circuit diagram with describtion of components.
Thanks
andy
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 31, 2010, 11:05:43 am
Based on the XC and resonant frequency formulas I've come up with a value of 407mH for my chokes. so C=10.8nF, Fr=2.4kHz and Lt=407mH the resistance in the circuit is around 6143 ohms. So this is with in range based on my measurements, 363v / 6143 = 59mA.

Looks like your are getting close, Tony.
Stan talked about having a resistance of 11k...
Have you seen any improvement on production, or same production with lower power consumption?

regards
Steve
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 31, 2010, 14:41:26 pm
hey are my component values.
(http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/8XA_component_values_power_supply.jpg)
(http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/8XA_component_values_pulse_generator.jpg)
(http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/8XA_component_values_vic.jpg)
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 31, 2010, 17:15:52 pm
Steve,

With my 4" x 6" plate setup with 1mm spacing (10.8nF) the gases are steady but not heavy.  Now when I tested a smaller plate setup of 1" x 1" plates spaced at 1mm (450pF) the gases stream off pretty good.  This is due to the high voltages covering the smaller plate area.
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 31, 2010, 20:02:54 pm


Guys i found something really interesting and i would like to share with you cause somehow is related to meyers technology

I think that the right frequency is the frequency of the motional or vibrational resonant frequency, it drives the transformer but the important is the gate that should gate shorting the water, and I would say that this gate will be the time that you take to collect the ions close to the electrode to than short them re generating the electricity. Water is must work like a battery that you charge but when you discharge it generates hydrogen. The important is that the energy is refluxed to get in coherence with energy getting into the water. I think that he do in a such a way that he cause the movement of the water by the electrostatic attraction but in such a way as to cause a kind of motional vibration (induced by the electric field) as to restrict the amps.


Or maybe just or and


I saw some time ago that there are electrostatic filters they attracts the ions with high voltage...


The idea is to make it behave like a battery you charge it enough to be able to discharge it fast enough as for the ions want enter into the metal, as they can't they will get their bounds breaks.


I would say that the inner electrode something like the electrostatic source but having also a conductive electrode layer with it. One is the electrostatic source. The other is the collector and than you have the anode around.


The short is on the collector and the anode. And the electrostatic source is isolated. Think a way to place the water with a very high voltage area around connected with only one wire. Only few micro amps would flow.


If this voltage is pretty high it impress a force on the ions inside the water, they move to the anode and collector (the cathode is the electrostatic source having the collector around it)


You impress a voltage by the action of the electrostatic force.


The collector maybe is a honey comb like platinum and palladium anode and cathode or inverse not sure. Those used for plating.


Happy new Year for All !!!
=)
Fabio





Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 01, 2011, 18:57:26 pm
Steve,

With my 4" x 6" plate setup with 1mm spacing (10.8nF) the gases are steady but not heavy.  Now when I tested a smaller plate setup of 1" x 1" plates spaced at 1mm (450pF) the gases stream off pretty good.  This is due to the high voltages covering the smaller plate area.

Did you do a reference test with strait dc to find out if the hv setup brings more with the small testplates, Tony?

steve
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 02, 2011, 03:08:17 am
Have anyone tried to apply a huge high voltage the way i'm proposing? and than collect the ions voltage?


I think this would be like the electret effect but on water and with means to discharge it to generate electrical energy as a by product.


I think that with the right electric field (field that will not get consumed) (water purity) the ions will fly towards the electrodes, that can be than discharged for generating the gases and electricity.


I think that i understood how meyer consume the electrons.


As he is applying only a field, is benefit from the photoelectric emission for this way the ions will need to eject from the water ionized as electrons ejected and got consumed in the air processor as free electrons as for cause the ionization of the ambient gases.


The hydrogen will certainly be of other character. I think that delrin could be a good material for the electrostatic electrode.  But thinking well a ceramic material with ultra high dielectric constant would be better.


The nice thing is that for generating electricity with a magnetic field you need movement. Electrostatic field, move ions (perform work) without get consumed, the result is an impressed voltage by the separation of the ions.


I think that the discharge time must be too fast.


Think like this, if the water RC constant is maybe 5000, It means that you charge the capacitor in 100us, and it discharges alone in 100us. So if you could charge the water in 100us than discharge the capacitor in maybe 1us into a coil to recycle the electricity, the voltage got into the capacitor did the work separating the ions and was discharged and got reused for doing further work.


Maybe stan didn't generated too much gas to run his car.


The thing now is measure the field force and use the ion mobility to find the needed field and maximum frequency of operation.




The time of the ions to move must be the same of the charge time of the capacitor. The frequency of the pulses will depend on the resonant tank, but the gate time is in accordance with the ions speed. 


A resonant tank will be needed not only to create the field but also as a mean for accumulating the refluxed energy. Man this thing i'm imagining is a bomb if i'm correct.


Is easy to have a 100kw capacity resonant tank to have the strong field and also would say that Is the best way to recycle the electricity generated.


Think like if the collector and anode was connected to a ultra fast switch and one turn of wire around the tank so when you discharge the energy goes to the tank. i think that meyer found a way to do it so economically that he didn't needed any tank, he just destabilized and his job was done.   


Maybe with anodized aluminum as the cathode?




The purer the water the lower is the frequency needed...




Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 02, 2011, 03:25:09 am
If the water capacitor have a 10000 ohms leakage resistance for a capacity of 2nf its RC constant is 50khz. So A tank for at least 500Khz would be needed to accommodate The discharges. And the plates should be positioned accordingly with the ions speed so be able to move them maybe with 10 pulses and rapidly discharge.


What i'm saying is that the tank will be the storage of energy and source at the same time.


I think meyer used the stainless steel wire for the fast discharge by time constant effects so it could allow more destabilization.
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 02, 2011, 06:05:38 am
Does anyone here have an idea of how to calculate the time of the ion. I'm trying to figure it out but i need to know the field force to calculate the time will take to get the ions on the respective collectors.


I was thinking and Aluminum electrodes would help to reduce the frequency to a very high degree and if we could add another electrode on the other side maybe with another material witch its oxide also semiconductor but like aluminum but with reverse effect. We could double the force and therefore the ion speed.


What you want:


Strong electric field to attain High ion speed.
Lowest RC Frequency possible to improve the efficiency. (high resistance on the water and the oxide layer or plastic or ceramic) 
Big surface on the collectors, but allowing the field to cross the collectors.


One good thing about the aluminum is that the area of contact would increase.


Thinking still better possibly stan made this also to the air. Oxygen is not a dipole but as it has many electrons is known to be negative. Its also paramagnetic. So it does get attracted to the electrodes having high voltage, if you add a collector you will discharge the ions separated by the electric field without consuming the field. A magnetic field would also help on the deflection of the electrons if there is a movement.


I think that the EPG used the principle of acceleration by electric field too and as he was creating destabilized atoms WHen they pass into a magnetic field like he proposed, the atom will interact with the field cause it is a ion. The spin of the electron will change and thus the orbit will change so going into a energized state and all this only by the interaction of the magnetic field.


There is an effect called electric caloric effect and other called magneto caloric effect that tell you that when anything get into a field its molecules vibrates and so gets hot transferring energy from the orbit of the electron to the vibration (heat). So when you subject something to a field it will gets hotter than the ambient and thus after you take the field out the thing will be cooler than the ambient.


This have to do with the energy meyer talked about, cause when you extract heat energy from the atom you will definitely have more energy coming out.


He might have found that the explosion of destabilized ions and energized air would explode with a great excess energy.


So for making the gas to come out destabilized You need to get the electrons out of it and its a quite hard task. So if you discharge the ion not allowing the electron to arrive on the other side by thermo emission effect you not only create heat but create also an electric field a magnetic field that can be used to stop the electron movement, but a heating element having a low work function will emit electrons.


We need to learn how to calculate electron emission and understand a way to get them out of there.


I think that could be done by ionizing negatively the air. but i'm not sure if this is the way.


The thing is that the air processor if ionizes 1% of the air inside of it means that you have a dead short circuit just like on the water so only an electrostatic isolated field must be applied too. 




 
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 02, 2011, 06:18:07 am
I would also add that the faster you discharge a capacitor the greater is the current.


And adding a membrane would increase the resistance witch would help reduce the frequency but would also change the ion mobility somehow.


The benefit is that you can generate the gases separately.
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 02, 2011, 11:53:12 am
I found that the H+ ions speed in water is 4.757 m/s This tell me that a cavity having 1mm should be gated at maximum 4.757khz so the tank voltage should be a multiple of this to facilitate things.


So the gate is where you will generate the gas and generate electricity.


If discharged thru emissive heating element, destabilized gases will be generated.


Non ohmic conduction don't follow ohms law.


The pulses could be than 50khz gated at 5khz...


The thing is first of all an electrical generator using electric field force as the creator of motion or creator of the energy.


I think that this is what stan mean by match the wavelength...


Now without the need to calculate for, apply the max voltage field possible as to allow max ion drift speed and get to find a way to gate it the way i'm saying and its done.


With the air than there are other factors but is pretty much the same thing but the H+ ion is very fast.


Another thing is that maybe we should do something with the electrons liberated to prevent them from returning to the gas as to keep it ionized.


The reaction occur so fast that the gas is generated without receiving the electrons.


Do you remember in the NewZ video where he say, if you have 100 amps and 100 volts you have 10kw of electricity?
That what i'm talking about again.   Voltage = to the work to bring the separated charges (kill the dipole) together.




The greater is the resistance of a material the faster the electrons (ions) drift speed. (in solids)


As the water has not fixed structure the ions positively charged can move too. Being the H+ the lighter and smaller ion its speed is the greater. The field force needed to move it is small cause its mass is very small.





Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 02, 2011, 12:15:08 pm
Sebos,

i once tried to pulse the cell and then extract the charge back, by using an EEC.
That worked well. But all the charge you extract from the cell made also less gas.
It all stays a basic electrolysis proces. Just keep as much charge as you can in the cell and you will have the most efficient electrolysis cell.

The idea of charging up the cell, like a capacitor is good thinking, however, you can do it easier with first charging up a capacitor and then hit the cell. No gains in such a system either, as far as i have seen.
If you could raise steadely the voltage in your cell by some kind of dc resonance or whatever system, then maybe you can achieve the catastrophic electrolyte breakdown, ,we all searching for...
Stans famous stepup charging would be great to do so......
But all stepup charging is a time delayed consumtion of current and voltage.
Maybe a breakdown triggers other molecules and then we might get a higher efficiency we are all looking for.

Steve

 
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 02, 2011, 12:44:59 pm
Hello steve,


I understand what you mean. But in my thought you just need to make it fast enough to be able to discharge the water before the ions move back. Thats why he had two switches in the electron extraction circuit. However in that way he proposes will probably not work cause you would have unipolar on the transformer with by saturation would become a problem in my view. So i don't see how could you benefit of the electrical energy regenerated. Maybe is not so needed and for that stan could burn the electrons up. Or maybe the saturation can limit the operation to reach stable operation not sure. 
 
The important is to turn off the field and simultaneously short the electrodes with a very short pulse. To be able to discharge the ions just in time before the ions get together again. 


The greater the field the greater will be the energy generated in my opinion.


I think that stan might have used very pure water to be able to maintain a high voltage across the water wasting little to keep the ions far as possible, and very precise and fast switch.


I think that maybe the amount of gas generated will not be much greater than common electrolysis even if it will certainly be but the great thing is that the gases will really come out destabilized if we do it in this way, cause electrons will get out of the solution and won't come back.


The alternator could be used as a motor If alternating current pass thru its windings. So it could use the energy to drive the other coils.. I think that meyer used the alternator this way. He may have modified the field configuration to make it a dc generator, or something like that.


Fabio
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 02, 2011, 14:43:02 pm

More i search, more i find...


The high dielectric constant of water reduces the electrostatic cost of separating the mobileions from their counterions...
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Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 02, 2011, 17:52:45 pm
Electrets?
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 02, 2011, 19:20:15 pm
Like a driven ion electret that have ions always automatically replaced when the gases are generated. By driven i mean you need a source of electric force.


Meyers words, When you have 100v and 100 amps you have 10kw o electrical power. The key is that we are generating electricity together with the gases. You could also stabilize the atoms again using a earth source, but you really don't want to do it, you want to destabilize.


The second video of New zealand about 10 minutes.
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 03, 2011, 05:46:15 am
Hi Tony
Thanx for schematic. Do you conect diode in your circuit on resonance like stan do and what was waveform  on wfc ? I want also ask about imput voltage - 30 VDC it be from secondary of transformer and bridge rectifier and condenser ? or it be ripping dc from secondary and rectifier only?
And your VIC is composed of two separate chokes or bifilar wound two chokes on the same core ? If you can tell my what core and what diametr wire and how many turn per choke? Sorry for so many question and thanks for reply Tony.
All the best in new year.
andy
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 03, 2011, 14:39:28 pm
I have it connected just as in the schematic. The chokes are bifilar wound on a single core and measure just over 2H each. I retested my setup and I get a max voltage across the cell of just over 400VAC RMS (1132V peak-to-peak) while applying 10V full-wave rectified (120Hz) DC pulsed at 2.296kHz. The current measured is 58mA, so the Power input is just over 1/2 a watt, 0.58W.
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 03, 2011, 15:31:07 pm
I would just like to try correct what i sayd, The H+ ion in water travel at 4,757meters per second with one volt applied. But there start to be a voltage across it and the oh- ions when you separate them... That why meyer gave those equations for the acceleration for the force between two charges (witch is wrong on the text book cause is missing the K witch is +- 9*10^-9 and the equation of the voltage of a charge in a dielectric witch is also wrong. So the voltage recovered will be a certain fraction of the voltage applied. Thats why he used many kv. If you apply 1kv positive from a circuit on one side and 1kv negative on the other side isolated from each other you create the field without the flow of electrons. Ps they can be isolated but magnetically coupled.


All this to say that i was wrong in the assumption of the 5khz for the gate. It could be much higher and will depend only o how fast you can accelerate the ions and absorb them to be able to discharge them.


There are three things occurring at the same time, the capacitor is charging, energy is being lost on the leakage resistance of the water and the ions are getting accelerated to their respective electrodes. The positive electrode will have oh- ions and so on.


So to lower resistive losses the water capacitor should be charged in a fraction of its rc time by pulses 100 times higher in frequency, at a voltage that cause a force and this an acceleration to allow the ions to move within this small time to the respective electrodes, and than should be discharged thru a heating element able to emit electrons as per get destabilized ionized gases.


I was thinking and Man this is genial.


Do you remember when told you that i've talked to a physicist of the institute of the plasma and he said that for having ionization you need high temperatures cause only high temperature could maintain the ions far enough?


Meyer was so intelligent that he created a high temperature only at this heating element witch makes the electrons to get ejected and stay away because of the heat so the gases could already get out of the water destabilized or ionized and cold. Not all the molecules for sure, but for sure maybe more or less than 1%..   


Having 1% of the gases ionized you create a condition witch the gas conducts 90% of its maximum allowed conduction.


If the proportion of energy in water that he talked was so big, even if we have a very small ionization we are going to get a very higher energy yield.


So the pure the water the best it is.
The higher the voltage the faster will be the cycle.
The greater the emission coefficient of the heating element the grater will be the ionization.
Care must be taken to not allow this gas to stabilize. 
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 03, 2011, 17:15:38 pm
The cold fusion reaction is accomplished in the same way but using heavy water... when the palladium lattice get loaded with the deuterium ions but get discharged all in once the deuterium would fuse liberating He+ Deuterium+ and a hell of heat and electricity. As the hydrogen don't have neutrons when it get destabilized it don't create the other specimen but should get out of the reaction as H+ gaseous destabilized... The deuterium inside the palladium is also bigger to get out and heavier so it develop a great temperature and fuses.


Is not the first time i think of this. Seem to explain the results.



Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 03, 2011, 19:50:12 pm
Here is a better schematic of Stan's Electrical Polarization circuit (8XA).
(http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/8XA_component_values_complete_circuit.jpg)
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 03, 2011, 19:58:46 pm
Just for clarification, That is the waveform you see even with the diode? And you are getting gases from the measured waveform?
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 03, 2011, 20:08:58 pm
Just for clarification, That is the waveform you see even with the diode? And you are getting gases from the measured waveform?

Yes sir that is correct. The reason Stan has a diode in there is to keep the current in one direction and to keep the secondary from shorting out. In DC current travels in one direction and in AC its bidirectional. This is the tricky part about this LCL configuration, when you have an Inductor-Capacitor-Inductor configuration this causes an oscillation between the inductors and u will have an AC signal and bidirectional current. Just as Stan says in one of his patents the diode is to keep the secondary from shorting and keep the current in one direction.
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 03, 2011, 20:16:43 pm
Very interesting! Thank you Tony! Are you sure the chokes are measured @ 2H each? That number represents a mighty large coil even if both together measured 2H. Maybe 2mH perhaps?
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 03, 2011, 20:27:35 pm
Yea I measured them with my meter and they are 2H each. I made them from an old microwave transformers secondary windings.
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 03, 2011, 20:45:03 pm
Ah! OK, I see! This is all so very interesting. Thanks again for answering my questions. Do you have any other plans to test in the near future? I am curious as to how various coil configurations will affect this circuit.
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 03, 2011, 20:59:52 pm
yea im currently working on the complete circuit with the PLL. Heres a video of the resonant signal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzcGiih8JVQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzcGiih8JVQ)
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 04, 2011, 06:53:12 am
http://www.keelynet.com/energy/docx.htm (http://www.keelynet.com/energy/docx.htm)

Some information, on the resonant frequency of Water
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 04, 2011, 11:46:57 am
HI Tony
Thanks for info . What is the core  you used for chokes and diametr wire ? Thank again Tony
andy

Tony
Do you connect two wire from oscyloscope probe to two plates of wfc? ( I mean do you merasure resonant signal directly on two plates of wfc? )
andy
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 04, 2011, 14:28:54 pm
the core is made of steel laminates and it measures 3" x 2 1/4" x 3 3/4"...its an old microwave oven transformer core and the wire looks to be around 30 ga....Im using the primary side of the transformer as a feedback for measuring the signal cause the voltage across the cell is too high for my scope.
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 04, 2011, 15:12:26 pm
Thank for answer Tony
How do you measure 400V AC rms on the cell ? ( Im using the primary side of the transformer as a feedback for measuring the signal cause the voltage across the cell is too high for my scope.) Do you calculate it in any way? Or maybe you use voltmeter?
thank
andy
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 04, 2011, 15:18:43 pm
my scope measures 400V pk-pk (10X probe) and if i hook it up straight to my cell it will max out, but my meter will read the voltage and the most Ive been able to get out of the system so far is around 420VAC RMS.
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 04, 2011, 15:25:07 pm
Tony excellent work!
Your microwave transformer has orginaly two secondaries or you rewound it by hand?
andy
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 04, 2011, 15:44:45 pm
no it has one secondary, I just calculated where the center of the coil was and cut one of the wires and made the coil into two coils. so that i now have the "start end", "finished end", "cut end 1" and "cut end 2".
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 04, 2011, 17:26:41 pm
Hello tony,


What are the frequencies you are using?


Have you considered trying to add a diode between the ground and the positive plate with the arrow toward the positive plate? I got the step up charging with double frequency this way.


What is you gas yield? Could you make a video?


Keep up the good work.


Good lucky

Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 04, 2011, 20:52:47 pm
I get resonance around 2.3kHz @ 50% duty cycle. I tried you method and I cant get resonance with it setup like that. If you look at the resonant signal im getting and lets say u rectified it you would have a frequency doubling due to the negative potential that is being generated after every positive voltage pulse. No have measured any gas cuz I need more voltage, right now Im only getting a small amount of gas being generated. I may see if i can post a video of this later today.
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 04, 2011, 21:16:56 pm
heres the link for the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hT7iRMpCqQ##]WFC Test 1-4-2011 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hT7iRMpCqQ#)
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 04, 2011, 23:23:08 pm
Hello Tony,


Nice.


By resonance what you mean? the voltage is higher?
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 04, 2011, 23:47:04 pm
looking great , Tony!
thanks for sharing..

Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 05, 2011, 13:20:31 pm
Hello Tony,


Nice.


By resonance what you mean? the voltage is higher?

Yea its the point at which I have the highest voltage
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 05, 2011, 15:04:32 pm
Nice.


You said you are getting 420vAC across the water. Did you measured the current? I guess you are using deionized water right?


I think that when the voltage reach the maximum you should try gating the electrodes as for the electron extraction circuit this way the electrical energy generated by the water should get back into the inductor for the resonance to happen violently. However it must be aways unipolar otherwise you have AC with a DC offset.


Did you noticed the Current reducing under resonance?


Did you tried a air core inductor, with a long wire?


I noticed that you are using the secondary of the MOT, it has a big resistance, not only by the ohmic but a very big reluctance of the core.


Maybe with a smaller transformer you get better results.


I say this cause i tried many times to resonate MOT's adding capacitors in parallel and with few turns of air core i got resonance much easier.


With a lower value of inductance it will allow you to have a higher frequency witch would let you to charge the water faster without the ohmic losses.


If you find the right configuration where you get the right ratio of current to voltage, your resonance will be the maximum.


I also have here a a setup that i reach 400 volts however as the electrodes are much bigger mean that i'm using more amps than you. Anyway i see no gas here even if is DC. My diodes get burn i don't know what is happening. The diodes despite being ultra fast 1200v 30 amps rating, get really really hot with less than 0,200ma flowing. I was using a water that with my configuration had 3000ohms about 1,7nf...


I think that 400v is enough to move the ions, the thing is that we need to be able to capture them and transform into gases generating electricity and thus resonance.


The steps are:


Charge the water thru the inductor
Discharge the water thru the inductor


Inductor in my view serves for having a reverse voltage to short on the water with the reversed ions. Like getting the positive of one battery and connect to the negative of the other battery and than short the other poles. This way the thing should as the ions will generate a voltage a little bit smaller but with a current much greater, you should be able to recycle this electricity to charge the water again.


The concept in my view is this.


I think that the SS wire is useful here as it would let the discharge to be very fast due to the L/R time constant.  MAybe the discharge coil should be small but having a resistive wire to ensure it will discharge as fast as it can. The copper will have a maximum time constant while ss will be much higher.


Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 05, 2011, 15:13:26 pm
The current peak will depend on how fast the discharge will happen, I think that meyer succeed using copper, however he might have used only few turns on the returning coil.


I was thinking that maybe he used two tubes in the same set having 2 bifilar inductors. So he could discharge one tube electricity into the other and vice versa. Is more complicated but could work.


Or having a capacitor to store the energy or other mean.


The idea behind this is that you need to discharge a big energy in a small time but you need to have this energy available to than recharge the water...



Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 05, 2011, 16:02:03 pm
Im using tap water straight from out the ground and my max current reading has been just below 60mA. Im inputting around 10vdc @ 55mA and outputting just over 400vac @ 55mA. P=I*V, power input = 0.55W and power output = 22W.
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 05, 2011, 16:35:59 pm
Hi Tony,

What you are measuring with this particular setup is giving you sort of false reading. By using the primary as a sensing coil, you will only see the primary in a freewheeling effect. It is well known in the art that pulsing a transformer will always output an AC signal no matter which side is pulsed. So, in affect, your sensing coil is botching your experiment and true measurements. It is possible to measure without the sensing coil and just using chokes by using a suitable shunt resistor on the negative plate. You may have to calculate, though, to get the real numbers. A resistor will work with both the oscilloscope and any voltage meter, but you may want to research on the web the best way you can find to accomplish the task. I myself do not have an O scope but this is what I use for measuring high voltages from 10-30Kv...

(http://www.electronicrepairguide.com/high%20voltage%20meter.jpg)

I got one off eBay for 20 USD...
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 05, 2011, 16:56:09 pm
no im able to take measurement straight from the chokes and cell, I was just using the feedback to compare the cell signal with the feedback signal and they are identical. The voltage from the chokes are like i said just over 400VAC and the voltage on the feedback is usually only 25VAC. Im not taking any measurements from my feedback, all measurements are coming from the chokes and cell.
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 05, 2011, 17:35:04 pm
Cool. Have you tried with very pure water? You can use a resin filter. Is not expensive, just need to find where you can buy it. Normally they sell this resins where they sell bi distilled water or osmotic filter... Will cost you maybe 10 or 20 dollars.


If you are getting more current and voltage on the output means that this is resonance, means that you are having 55ma recirculating thru your tank so you have a Q factor of around 40. Very interesting.


Could you make a more detailed video explaining all the connections, measurements and describing your components like the input transformer...?


Br
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 05, 2011, 17:37:10 pm
That diode on the scr could be the responsible for the AC. HAve you tried without it?
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 05, 2011, 17:38:33 pm
in my setup I don't have the diode across the SCR as its not really needed.
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 05, 2011, 17:41:03 pm
Have you checked the blocking diode? If still blocking?
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 05, 2011, 17:53:00 pm
Yea the diode is blocking and everything is working properly.
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 05, 2011, 21:05:18 pm
Ok.


Tony do you know the resistance and inductance and mutual inductance of the coils? And that of the water when you have straight DC?


I never got this behavior, for me to put 400v on the pure water here i'm spending at least 60w on the pulsing circuit. I'm very interested that you got the resonance in the sense that you have more energy recirculating while spending so small watts.


Sorry for so many questions i'm very curious.


Thanks again
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 05, 2011, 21:31:29 pm
I know the inductors measure between 2.5H - 3H each. Have you tried hooking the chokes up differently? like field adding and field opposing?  I have the schematic and PCB layout on my website under "Media" > "Projects" so you can build the 8XA circuit just like I have. Dont worry about all the questions, thats what we are here for, right?
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 05, 2011, 21:34:28 pm
Right! thanks


The resistances you have an idea? 
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 05, 2011, 21:49:11 pm
I'll have to double check but I think the chokes resistance was around 80 ohms.
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 05, 2011, 21:52:27 pm
Each?


Did you used two MOT's transformer as chokes? Or all in one?
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 05, 2011, 21:53:17 pm
ok, I just checked and the chokes measure 2.8H and are 40 ohms each.
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 05, 2011, 22:37:40 pm
Well nice, this make the time constant 0,07 seconds that would make a frequency of 14,28hz. Interesting is like if you could charge and charge before it gets discharged Maybe the resonance come from this.


Being the water also there the constant would become even lower.


I will keep thinking about that.



Thanks

Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 06, 2011, 00:56:14 am
I have a thought on the frequency doubling effect. From what I understand about Stan's LCL circuit is that the way the coils are configured is you get a positive voltage on one plate and a negative voltage on the other plate of the same amplitude. Now with these two opposite voltages and with this resonant signal that I'm getting, the two voltage will fill in the off time with a pulse. If I've got you confused just look at the image below and it should clear up the confusion.
Red signal is the positive voltage signal and Purple signal is the negative voltage signal.
(http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/freq_doubling.png)
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 06, 2011, 01:23:42 am
There is a difference, though, comparing your drawing and the one Stan illustrated. Stan's signals are in phase while yours are 180 degrees out of phase. Stan's drawing shows the signals also do not cross the zero line or in other words, change polarity.
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 06, 2011, 01:42:58 am
well the voltage are going to be 180 degrees out of phase, this gives the voltage the pulling attraction that Stan talks about. Ive come to learn you can't go why the waves that Stan has illustrated, most are misleading....for example look at the signal that Stan shows for the 8XA circuit, the real signal looks nothing like that and the way he has it displayed its actually the way it looks with a 20 Hz pulse.
Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 06, 2011, 02:05:04 am
Just wondering it seems to me that:

Standing waves don't form under just any circumstances.
They require that energy be fed into a system at an appropriate frequency.
That is, when the driving frequency applied to a system equals its natural frequency(water?).
This condition is known as resonance. (believe we are making a resonant based on the frequency of water that why it doesn't matter what type of water)
Standing waves are always associated with resonance. (this is why even your tubes should be tuned to a harmonic of the water)
Resonance can be identified by a dramatic increase in amplitude of the resultant vibrations. (It's all about efficiency)
 
  • shouldn't the resonant frequency of water be used as a reference when building your circuit
  • if your going to have a feed back circuit shouldn't it reflect the changing resonance of the water due to temperature, particulates, pressure....etc.
  • sensors and feed back for the PLL should follow the harmonics of the water with small adjustments to your electronics
  • after the parameters have been sought out on simpler model, chase the holly grail to produce your required output at over unity by perfecting the circuits for performance / efficiency.
  • No reason I can see that a voltage based system at the given frequency can't be built, find what works, then perfect the circuit.

    Others have gone this route before and it seems alot of the information out there confirms that it should be do able this. Ultrasonics, lasers, pressure and waveforms and the resultant vacuum along with other disciplines all seem to point to the same thing we don't know jack.

    One of Stan first patent shows him playing with a point source to produce required gas output, this system would be alot simpler to understand and would give you immediate feed back as to amount of gas  produced, voltages, and the frequencies required for a production model.

    For further reading:

    http://physics.info/waves-standing/ (http://physics.info/waves-standing/)

    http://www.waterfuelcarengine.com/stanley-meyers-molecular-dissociation-of-water.html (http://www.waterfuelcarengine.com/stanley-meyers-molecular-dissociation-of-water.html)

    http://www.keelynet.com/energy/docx.htm (http://www.keelynet.com/energy/docx.htm)
    Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
    Post by: Login to see usernames on January 06, 2011, 14:05:29 pm
    This is one of  the biggest misconception in the process it that people keep trying to find the frequency of water. Forget that water is even in the equation, just think of the cell as a capacitor in a LC circuit. Determine the cells capacitance and the inductance of the inductors and from that find the resonant frequency for that combination. The more voltage at resonance, the more gas you will get.
    Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
    Post by: Login to see usernames on January 06, 2011, 15:17:05 pm
    This is one of  the biggest misconception in the process it that people keep trying to find the frequency of water. Forget that water is even in the equation, just think of the cell as a capacitor in a LC circuit. Determine the cells capacitance and the inductance of the inductors and from that find the resonant frequency for that combination. The more voltage at resonance, the more gas you will get.

    I agree on the frequency of water issue here.
    Tony, water is in your setup acting as resistance, is it? So, you get LCRCL..........

    Steve
    Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
    Post by: Login to see usernames on January 06, 2011, 15:37:23 pm
    Yes Steve thats correct,  the water has a capacitance and a resistance. Ive noticed at resonance the water does hold a charge, I can take an AC light and hold one lead and touch the other lead to the surface of the water and it will light up. Also I can take my finger and touch the surface of the water and it will give me a nice little shock like a capacitor will.
    SDC10553 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YghPyPlhKo#)
    Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
    Post by: Login to see usernames on January 06, 2011, 15:48:09 pm
    Have you turned up the variac to higher voltages, yet?
    Why do you stay at 10vdc?

    Steve
    Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
    Post by: Login to see usernames on January 06, 2011, 16:19:07 pm
    well its kind of strange, I can turn the variac to almost its half way point before I lose resonance. As I turn the variac up the voltage gets to around 10vdc and wont increase anymore than that, but the voltage in the cell does increase as I turn the variac up.
    Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
    Post by: Login to see usernames on January 06, 2011, 18:06:11 pm
    Yeh, i seen such behaviour here as well, with coils.
    Well, good to know that you tried to raise the voltage.
    Now, its up to find the borders of your setup and find out what you have to change to get over 1500vac at least...

    Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
    Post by: Login to see usernames on January 06, 2011, 21:32:10 pm
    Maybe reducing the turns on the primary of the input transformer and or the secondary too...
    Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
    Post by: Login to see usernames on January 07, 2011, 05:15:36 am
    If you are loosing resonance as voltage goes up maybe your paramaters are changing (ie resistance increases/decreases) this would change the required frequency to hit resonance, posibly change the rate of production also.
    Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
    Post by: Login to see usernames on January 07, 2011, 06:18:19 am
    Yea I'm sure this is why Stan included the PLL circuit into his setup for cuz as the voltage increases, so does the hho production and this changes the dielectric constant between the plates/tubes thus changing the resonant frequency.
    Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
    Post by: Login to see usernames on January 07, 2011, 08:55:13 am
    Yes ok the rate of production would be grater, however i think you are not getting more than 10v because the impedance of the input transformer, as you are pulsing at a rate of khz while the transformer works at 60hz...


    Thats why i said that maybe if you reduce the primary turns and the secondary you will get less impedance so will allow a greater energy to be transmitted to the chokes and water...


    Is about impedance matching. If you use a purer water would raise the impedance of  the resonance so you would get more volts for the same power consumption.
    Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
    Post by: Login to see usernames on January 07, 2011, 13:27:39 pm
    Crazy en Sebos: both of you are right here...
    Good discussion, btw... :)

    Steve
    Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
    Post by: Login to see usernames on January 07, 2011, 14:59:18 pm
    Tony,

    Maybe you can place a transformer after the Variac. Those have different values then the variac it self.
    Still you can control the voltage on the output of the transformer with the variac........


    Steve
    Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
    Post by: Login to see usernames on January 07, 2011, 16:27:35 pm
    Tony,your use of a microwave transformer for your choke,is no good.Stan used a EC52 core and wrapped it with 18 gauge wire.There was 56 turns for each choke wire,bifiller wound would work out to 14 turns per layer per wire,four layers total.The inductance was 760uH each.Each layer was seperated with a thin cardboard.Make one and try that,you should be able to get the voltage up better than you are now.
    Don
    Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
    Post by: Login to see usernames on January 07, 2011, 17:00:08 pm
    Yea I have a coil wrapped to those specs but I the current usage was always 1.5A-3A depending on the spacing between plates. So this is why I decided to try a bigger choke setup to see if I could minimize current and boost voltage to the cell and thats what this did.
    Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
    Post by: Login to see usernames on January 08, 2011, 00:02:28 am
    When we tested Stans plate cell,the limiting factor for power was the vari-ac.It is only rated for 5 amps.If you turned up the voltage much over 80 volts out of the vari-ac,it would pull 5 amps.I never seen what the voltage to the cell was at that power level.Didn't test it that much.Remeber,this is not a resonance cell,only an amp restricting one.Which it does do.It allows you to apply more voltage with less amps.The true resonance cell didn't come about until later.
    Don
    Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
    Post by: Login to see usernames on January 08, 2011, 18:56:38 pm
    yea Ive tested my set up which is identical to Stan's plate setup and the voltage at the cell is that same as what the panel voltmeter displays. In my current setup Im just using much bigger chokes, 2.8H each, and Im getting resonance and at resonance Im getting a much larger voltage across the cell than what Im applying, just as Stan says you should and the amps are being restricted to less than 60mA.
    Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
    Post by: Login to see usernames on January 08, 2011, 21:38:46 pm
    Hello All


    I just found the equation for the acceleration of a particle in an electric field.


    a=E*q/m


    a= acceleration
    E= electric field = Volts/meter
    q= charge of the particle
    m= mass of the particle


    Now we just need to find the resistance against the movements of the ion, and the relativistic limit to find the exact frequency to match the movement of the particles...


    If you apply 1v in a capacitor having 1meter of distance between its plates, you have an electric field of 1v/meter.


    Hope it is correct. If any one have ay info about, please help...
    Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
    Post by: Login to see usernames on January 08, 2011, 21:59:34 pm
    If you really want to know what is taking place in the WFC, I highly recommend you download this PDF of an unpublished book that Andrija Puharich wrote. He gives the science behind what is taking place, which Stan could not do. Stan took Puharich's idea and took it to the next level. Start reading around page 195.
    http://www.globalkast.com/docs/Andrija_Puharich_-_Elf_Magnetic_Model_of_Matter_and_Mind.pdf (http://www.globalkast.com/docs/Andrija_Puharich_-_Elf_Magnetic_Model_of_Matter_and_Mind.pdf)
    Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
    Post by: Login to see usernames on January 09, 2011, 17:02:45 pm
    hello Tony,
    This thread is very interesting information, thanks for sharing!
    I was wondering if you have tried to increase the voltage before the varriac, like by using an average 120volt to 240volt step up transformer?
    Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
    Post by: Login to see usernames on January 09, 2011, 17:55:10 pm
    My variac is 120v but its like due to the impedance of the chokes it only allows the voltage to reach around 10vdc input but the output is over 400vac. Another strange thing I've found is that the plate size doesn't matter, I've tested with  a plate set 4" x 6" with 1mm spacing and I've also test with a plate set 1" x 1" with 1mm spacing. I get resonance at the same frequency and the same voltages, but the on the smaller plate set I get more gas output. This could be due to the smaller plate area which would have more voltage per square inch? what I mean by this is that with the 1x1 (Area = 1 square inch) cell you will have 400v per square inch and with the 4x6 (Area = 24 square inches) cell you will have 16.7v per square inch.
    Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
    Post by: Login to see usernames on January 09, 2011, 18:49:19 pm
    ohh ok, so its not that simple haha.Thats really interesting that you hit resonance at the same frequency with different size plates. 
     
    As for the smaller plate set producing more gas, i think your correct about the voltage per square inch. Stan stated that the voltage could become so high that water and the gas produced could no longer enter and leave the plates fast enough. Maybe the only reason to go with bigger plates would be because of that reason. It would be cool to see a few small sets of plates or tubes in parallel. The next time i get home from school i think i'm going to try to build the 8XA circuit and see for myself
     
    ps. i came across your website yesterday, it has tons of great imformation all in one place!
    Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
    Post by: Login to see usernames on January 09, 2011, 19:25:01 pm
    Thanks for visiting my site Dave. I'm trying to make it a one stop for all thing related to Stan Meyer and his technology. I have videos, photos, documents and all Stans patents including the never before seen Japanese patents. Hopefully I will have more to come soon.
    Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
    Post by: Login to see usernames on January 09, 2011, 21:28:55 pm
    Awesome work
    What happens when you short out the output and create the dead short condition?
    Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
    Post by: Login to see usernames on January 09, 2011, 23:47:32 pm
    current starts to flow through the system and resonance is lost, so basically becomes normal electrolysis.
    Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
    Post by: Login to see usernames on January 10, 2011, 01:50:12 am
    Tony, the resonant signal that you posted has renewed my intrest in this project.  I built some figure 6-1 Vic-coils (plug & play) a couple of years ago using the SS wire for chokes.  The wire had an inadequate insulation and shorted out in the coils I produced.  I did obtain 5lbs of the 430fr ss wire from dynodon out of Stan’s surplus but never built a coil with it due to my disappointment with the multiple coil failures prior to obtaining it.   I saw your post requesting a 3” tube cell set and I do have a few ½” and ¾” ss tubes I would give you if you want them.  I’m posting a picture of the coil I built.
    Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
    Post by: Login to see usernames on January 10, 2011, 02:58:40 am
    430fr ss wire

    http://cartech.ides.com/datasheet.aspx?i=103&e=63&c=techart (http://cartech.ides.com/datasheet.aspx?i=103&e=63&c=techart)

    Some information on the wire
    Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
    Post by: Login to see usernames on January 10, 2011, 03:12:08 am
    Interesting Video on Reasonance


    Energy Propagation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQdcwDCBoNY#)
    Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
    Post by: Login to see usernames on January 10, 2011, 03:32:23 am
    this is not too bad of an example of what takes place in the Stan's LC circuit. Once resonance is achieved on the secondary side the impedance is so high on the primary side that it limits current in the main circuit. This is basically what has to take place in WFC!!!  As you can see this is whats taking place in my testing of the 8XA circuit, this is why I can only get a max voltage input of around 10v to the chokes and the output voltage of the chokes is over 400v.
    Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
    Post by: Login to see usernames on January 10, 2011, 07:12:24 am
    Replacement for the 430fr SS wire.

    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3618/is_200710/ai_n21100099/ (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3618/is_200710/ai_n21100099/)
    Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
    Post by: Login to see usernames on January 10, 2011, 19:45:11 pm
    Hi Tony
    I have question for you. Are your chokes bifilar wound? And are connected with aiding or opposing field?
    Your quote:
     I have it connected just as in the schematic. The chokes are bifilar wound on a single core and measure just over 2H each. I retested my setup and I get a max voltage across the cell of just over 400VAC RMS (1132V peak-to-peak) while applying 10V full-wave rectified (120Hz) DC pulsed at 2.296kHz. The current measured is 58mA, so the Power input is just over 1/2 a watt, 0.58W.     Thank for answer
    andy
    Tony sorry if my question is so stupid .
    Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
    Post by: Login to see usernames on January 10, 2011, 20:47:39 pm
    Hi Andy,

    I took an old microwave oven transformer and I'm only using the secondary side of it. I took the secondary and divided it in the middle and then cut the wire in the center to make it two separate coils. I think is its hooked up field aiding but not 100% sure cuz its really hard to tell by the way the secondary in wound. Hope this answered your question. Im gonna order a spool of copper wire and wind my own coils and re-test. Hopefully I will have a lot better results with higher voltages.
    Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
    Post by: Login to see usernames on January 12, 2011, 13:05:26 pm
    this is not too bad of an example of what takes place in the Stan's LC circuit. Once resonance is achieved on the secondary side the impedance is so high on the primary side that it limits current in the main circuit. This is basically what has to take place in WFC!!!  As you can see this is whats taking place in my testing of the 8XA circuit, this is why I can only get a max voltage input of around 10v to the chokes and the output voltage of the chokes is over 400v.

    Hello, you attach your project
     PLL circuit?
     Thanks

    Riccardo
    Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
    Post by: Login to see usernames on January 13, 2011, 20:46:45 pm
    no haven't got the PLL together yet, hopefully I will have a complete circuit put together soon.
    Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
    Post by: Login to see usernames on January 14, 2011, 11:38:09 am
    no haven't got the PLL together yet, hopefully I will have a complete circuit put together soon.


    Many Thanks !!

    Ciao ;)
    Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
    Post by: Login to see usernames on January 15, 2011, 23:04:32 pm
    Hi Tony,

    I made it to work. Thanks.
    Now up to higher voltages.
    http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,1844.new.html#new (http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,1844.new.html#new)

    Steve
    Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
    Post by: Login to see usernames on January 15, 2011, 23:53:27 pm
    Glad to see that someone else has been able to replicate and confirm what Ive done :-)
    Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
    Post by: Login to see usernames on July 20, 2011, 08:09:47 am
    hey are my component values.
    (http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/8XA_component_values_power_supply.jpg)
    (http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/8XA_component_values_pulse_generator.jpg)
    (http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/8XA_component_values_vic.jpg)

    Please note for a moment where Stan has his volt meter showing this "high voltage" and what effect the choke will do to this voltage before the cell.
    Still reading through this thread.
    Title: Re: Stan's Resonant Frequency
    Post by: Login to see usernames on July 20, 2011, 14:56:18 pm
    theres one thing I see that could do with a modification to stans circuit above - its fed with an ac power supply, stipulated at 60hz, the rectified side labelled a unipolar voltage waveform. When in use in a vehicle it appears to me that the dc supply be driven by a waveform to produce the unipolar voltage waveform. imho of course.