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Title: Making the Magic Gas to run an ICE
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 15, 2010, 22:32:49 pm
This thread is intended to discuss possible ways to break the nitrogen molecule in order to make new fuel with some hho.

recent discoveries show that hafnium is a catalyst to break the nitrogen molecule

where to get hafnium ?
Title: Re: Breaking the nitrogen molecul
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 15, 2010, 22:43:53 pm
How much do you need?

Just kidding...

Never heard of that stuff
Title: Re: Breaking the nitrogen molecul
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 15, 2010, 22:46:34 pm
I sent an email to ESPI Metals asking for a quote, they responded:
because they sell hazardous materials they not allowed to sell to individuals . only schools and businesses.

bummer
Title: Re: Breaking the nitrogen molecul
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 15, 2010, 23:11:55 pm
Nature breaks nitrogen by a process called Atmospheric Fixation. or lightening.

humm the little gears in my head are turning  8)
Title: Re: Breaking the nitrogen molecul
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 15, 2010, 23:16:03 pm
Hafnium is mined in Australia.  I found this link:
http://www.scis.com.au/Products/R0408-9122.aspx
Not sure what you have in mind.

Andy
Title: Re: Breaking the nitrogen molecul
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 15, 2010, 23:23:00 pm
Thanks Andy ......

now i found this patent:4877589
Title: Re: Breaking the nitrogen molecul
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 16, 2010, 00:04:11 am
Here's a link:

http://www.google.com/patents?id=BjowAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4&source=gbs_overview_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
Title: Re: Breaking the nitrogen molecul
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 16, 2010, 00:21:17 am
excellent.. thanks

now lets build it.

Title: Re: Breaking the nitrogen molecule
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 16, 2010, 19:18:19 pm
To break nitrogen using Plasma we need

molybdenum oxide and or tungsten oxide

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molybdenum_trioxide

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tungsten%28III%29_oxide

Trying to find a source to buy it...

Title: Re: Breaking the nitrogen molecule
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 16, 2010, 23:04:21 pm
Found a place:
http://www.advancedmaterials.us
Title: Making the Magic Gas to run an ICE
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 26, 2010, 19:25:49 pm
Ok, now that I finished the bike generator I will start testing some new stuff.

I don't believe that one can generate enough HHO to self run an ICE, I know I know, there are some videos on youtube trying to prove other wise. but I think they are fake. Believe or not it is very very easy to make a video and to show an ICE running on nothing but AIR. The trick is to add gasoline in the crank case. the engine will then run on the gasoline vapor. so now you know that it is very easy to fake an ICE running on any amount of HHO.


I do still have some hope in running an engine on HHO, but not in pure hho. I think a new gas needs to be created.

not sure what that new gas will be, but something containing small amount of HHO + water vapor and nitrogen.

so my new quest starts here...   
Title: Re: Breaking the nitrogen molecule
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 26, 2010, 20:32:41 pm
Hi electrojolt

I believe that running an engine on pure hho is quite possible and steve tests are the proof of it. I believe now we just need to find the way to create the gas with less energy than it is traditionally needed.

I just found a possible explanation on why the charged air would give a better performance or maybe do more than that..

Its based on that you don't inject only hho in the engine but also nitrogen (inert gas) and more OXYGEN,

Being we able to create OH only at the output of the motor would give us the ability to have maybe the double of water molecules generated at the combustion process leading to an increase in energy.   

It's known in science that we can charge an object with electrostatic induction without killing the dipole. (with no spark) (no energy or almost no (force) consume) (like magnetism voltage field become a force)

I don't know if its possible but maybe if the charge on the gas is even greater might be possible to create other molecules on the output like OOH or OOOH something like that.

ALL this have only one problem that bores me out, even if this way we would need to produce less hydrogen lowering the costs and size of the equipment, we would still consume oxygen from the atmosphere as much as we are already doing while using gasoline...  except that part of oxygen witch where to link up with the carbon atoms... 
This worries me.

Title: Re: Breaking the nitrogen molecule
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 26, 2010, 21:15:35 pm
you miss understood me. i know we can run an engine on hho alone. you need a lot of hho. what i mean is self sustain an engine using hho. Stevie is close but not there yet and he is making a a large amount of hho using a lot of energy from the wall outlet.
Title: Re: Making the Magic Gas to run an ICE
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 07, 2010, 00:20:49 am
I talked with a friend of mine that knows chemistry.
he said if i break the nitrogen molecule each nitrogen atom will be very pissed off, and if it becomes in contact with water it will rip the water molecule apart. it will make a mix of NH3 NO3 and some other mixes.

hummm... Now I really want to get nitrogen pissed off.

Title: Re: Making the Magic Gas to run an ICE
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 07, 2010, 00:29:34 am
I talked with a friend of mine that knows chemistry.
he said if i break the nitrogen molecule each nitrogen atom will be very *  off, and if it becomes in contact with water it will rip the water molecule apart. it will make a mix of NH3 NO3 and some other mixes.

hummm... Now I really want to get nitrogen *  off.

So, now we just make the nitrogen a bit less electron heavy?
How do we do that?

Steve



Title: Re: Making the Magic Gas to run an ICE
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 07, 2010, 00:46:34 am
Bonding Energy of N2: 945 kJ/mol
Bonding Energy of H2O: 459 kJ/mol
Title: Re: Making the Magic Gas to run an ICE
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 07, 2010, 01:01:48 am
Specially for you, Claudio  ;)

Title: Re: Making the Magic Gas to run an ICE
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 07, 2010, 01:11:59 am
Jacobs ladder

http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/jacobs.htm

And there you go:
Stan Meyers secret
Gray's tube
http://members.fortunecity.com/freeenergy2000/grayreproduction2.htm



Title: Re: Making the Magic Gas to run an ICE
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 07, 2010, 01:23:12 am
Bonding Energy of N2: 945 kJ/mol
Bonding Energy of H2O: 459 kJ/mol

I think I know what u trying to point out. that it takes more energy to break   N2 than H2O.

if that is the case then think about it ...
you break one N2 and that will break 3 water molecules . it causes a chain reaction.
Title: Re: Making the Magic Gas to run an ICE
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 08, 2010, 19:26:02 pm
http://members.fortunecity.com/freeenergy2000/grayreproduction2.htm

thx you for this link , ionization by collision is an interresting phenomenon , the multipactor is like this .

Title: Re: Making the Magic Gas to run an ICE
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 10, 2010, 21:10:09 pm
Can someone, cut and paste the information at :
"http://members.fortunecity.com/freeenergy2000/grayreproduction2.htm"
This site is full of security risks.

If the information was cut and pasted into a DOC file that would help.

I like where this thread is going to.
Keep it up its very interesting.
Personally I like the arcing part of the posted patent 4010897.
It seems easily doable.
Title: Re: Making the Magic Gas to run an ICE
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 10, 2010, 23:16:15 pm
Here it is, Komtek..

Steve
Title: Re: Making the Magic Gas to run an ICE
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 11, 2010, 02:52:11 am
Starting to get and make parts to test breaking N2.

I think that we need to remove some oxygen from the air to prevent creating NO3

going to use my old TV flyback HV transformer to attempt separating O from N2.

need to make a HV AC transformer.

Title: Re: Making the Magic Gas to run an ICE
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 11, 2010, 04:10:02 am
It seems like we were talking about how to seperate H from O a while back. I'm not sure if you remember, But I was talking to someone about How to do it, I'm thinking it was you I was talking to.

U or I mentioned that you could Pass HHO across metal shavings that had been heated, And that the heat would speed up the oxidation of the metal and it would rust quicker, Removing the Oxygen leaving the hydrogen.

I picked up some metal shavings from a Break Disk rotor machine, I never got around to testing it out.

I was just wondering If you remembered that, Or if it would be a possible option for you.
Title: Re: Making the Magic Gas to run an ICE
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 11, 2010, 16:53:38 pm
Thanks for the DOC Steve.

Back to the Nitrogen patent.
The chamber or vessel to hold the arc, can we make this from polycarbonate or other plastics?
I guess after prolonged use plastics would deform a little, if the arcing is near.

Electrojolt, can you elaborate how you make the oxygen removal part.
Its a very good idea, to maintain higher N2 output.
I may have missed something.
Title: Re: Making the Magic Gas to run an ICE
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 14, 2010, 02:09:45 am
right now i only have a theory, not sure if it
will work. basically try to charge oxygen with hv. then use same hv but opposite voltage to attract the charged oxygen away from nitrogen. now im assuming that oxygen is easier to charge than nitrogen.