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Title: Variable Inductor With Shorted Circuited Section VIWSCS
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 20, 2011, 00:17:16 am
I want to raise a question regarding the adjustable inductor in SM technology. 


I'm questioning my self what if the adjustable inductor must or not have a shorted circuit section. If you take a look at all Meyer's drawings of the EEC or the VIC you will clearly see that it always has a shorted section.


I thought about this today several hours and i think that this could definitely change every thing in the game.


I found little info about this, and says that whenever you have a variable inductor you should never leave open circuit turns, because dangerous voltages could be generated there and damage the insulation...


Meyer said that he wanted to restrict the current.


So what if the transformer originally had only primary and secondary windings. Than the two coils are wound in two different cores so they can be placed in different space relationship to the other as to have adjustable coupling, and having the variable inductor connected as he show with short circuited section variable.


????


I would like to try this, and will.


I have a toroidal core made of powdered iron with the same size stan said 1,5" diameter by 0,25" thickness, I don't really know if its permeability is the same so i'm trying to find the cross reference...


Anyway i will do for the sake of certainty again the transformer having 600turns secondary and 200 on the primary and the two inductors with means for adjusting the coupling and test it again....


What you think about?

Title: Re: Variable Inductor With Shorted Circuited Section VIWSCS
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 20, 2011, 00:20:19 am
Another thing i would like to report is that Stan do show on the patents that the hydrogen is ionized negatively! When he show electron trapped!!! This might be the end for the oxygen electrons.


And another is that in some drawings he do show the connection to the transformer with only one wire being isolated ground and having a resistor to the earth...
Title: Re: Variable Inductor With Shorted Circuited Section VIWSCS
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 20, 2011, 01:00:34 am
would like to also add that maybe the induced current in the short circuit would be in counter direction... If so maybe the resonance is on the coil it self by the charging and discharge of the coil maybe not.
Title: Re: Variable Inductor With Shorted Circuited Section VIWSCS
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 20, 2011, 11:43:03 am
Getting back in memory, I remembered that 3 years ago I tried to do this, anyway at  that time my skills were much more limited in electronics and magnetics. If i remember well i tried building the two coils on a ferrite core... I also tried with that transformer in that video in youtube where i show the consumption of the current change when the magnet is on the core. I'm pretty sure i tried... Anyway i din't recognized the importance, i had some taps...


I think that it would work better on another core so the current consumption of the transformer will be low as is not short circuited...
Title: Re: Variable Inductor With Shorted Circuited Section VIWSCS
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 20, 2011, 14:33:09 pm
Fabio,

Have you seen this?

http://jnaudin.free.fr/kapagen/replications.htm
Title: Re: Variable Inductor With Shorted Circuited Section VIWSCS
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 20, 2011, 15:44:32 pm
Hello Steve,


I haven't see it before. Seems pretty cool, however i don't really know if they are measuring the power output correctly. For example if you light the bulb at 25 short beats per second you would still have the light bright and would spend less than half the energy to light them up.


I think that related to that one thing that could work would be a spark gap with two combined transformers driving it. For example 1 at 40kv 1ma creating an arc, but on the other side of the arc you connect a 1000v transformer maybe having 40ma output, than this spark would combine the ionized  way to carry a much bigger current than would thus accelerating more electrons thru the gap. Would create a hell of heat. Not sure if useable electricity but very probable if worked out.
Title: Re: Variable Inductor With Shorted Circuited Section VIWSCS
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 20, 2011, 16:06:43 pm
Back to the VIC, in my point of view this short will create what stan called amp inhibiting coil. And thinking still further maybe they could be combined in one single core having a gap to adjust the coupling.


I was thinking and thinking and arrived on this... What if the shorted part of the coil have a resonant frequency? L/R = time constant and 1/TC = Hz


So here a reason why to use resistive wire: To raise the frequency. The greater the resistance in relation to the inductance the greater the frequency.


I'm saying this because kind of the inductor may have a specific resonant frequency. I think we need the pll to aways match the resonant frequency of the inductor so as we can modify it tuning the variable inductor to find the resonance of water. Basically the transformer will be at resonance aways having the pll. This way you are free to tune in to the proprieties of water.


Seems a complicated experiment but if you think well, being the inductors not part of the transformer you can keep aways the all system and just change the inductors materials or diameter to find the proper range. 
Title: Re: Variable Inductor With Shorted Circuited Section VIWSCS
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 20, 2011, 22:46:25 pm
Fabio,

in my latest resonance setup, i also removed the watertubes of the 2 coils and i shorted the two coils.
I still had the same resonance on my scope. So it didnt matter if i had the watercell in the circuit or not.

Resonance came from the chokes. The internal capacitance and inductance resonated at 1khz....

Steve
Title: Re: Variable Inductor With Shorted Circuited Section VIWSCS
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 20, 2011, 23:19:03 pm
Cool, so now is about tune to the water proprieties from what seems to me.


I'm winding a toroid i have here but is very hard cause i need to put lot of insulation cause my wires are pretty old. I think that up to tomorow i finish. Still need to put 700 turns =)


The coils you are talking about are 100 turns like he described? bifilar?


Br
Fabio
Title: Re: Variable Inductor With Shorted Circuited Section VIWSCS
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 20, 2011, 23:37:49 pm
Cool, so now is about tune to the water proprieties from what seems to me.


I'm winding a toroid i have here but is very hard cause i need to put lot of insulation cause my wires are pretty old. I think that up to tomorow i finish. Still need to put 700 turns =)


The coils you are talking about are 100 turns like he described? bifilar?


Br
Fabio

its the secondairy of a MOT, split in two coils.
6.5henry,s
No bifilar...just normal.




Title: Re: Variable Inductor With Shorted Circuited Section VIWSCS
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 20, 2011, 23:45:05 pm
tuning into the propertys of water.

What do you think that  means?


Steve
Title: Re: Variable Inductor With Shorted Circuited Section VIWSCS
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 21, 2011, 01:41:55 am
I think we need to match the frequency for the cavity, maybe... Like adjusting the inductor aways in resonance up to the point it resonate with the water too...I mean the shorted inductor adjusting the short you will change the resonant frequency of the inductor...


I'm finishing here the primary it have +- 5mh with this toroidal core yellow made of iron powder 200 turns. in few minutes will start rolling the secondary...


The amp inhibiting coil aka variable shorted segment coil i will do in a separate core. 


I will add the diode directly after the secondary 600 turns with a small coil in series just few turns on the same transformer, than in series i will connect to the other resonant charging choke.


The resonant charging choke and the amp inhibiting coil i will make on separated air cores being variable by introducing the iron rod or ferrite in it and being a mean to control the couple of both by introducing a core that cross both... Obviously than i will make the variable coil with a moving wiper.


I think that If what i'm saying is correct we will also need a circuit that controls a motorized moving wiper to always keep in resonance with the cell. My friend told me about that last year and now i see why and how to implement it.




I think that is a too big value... however i'm not quite sure.. If you are getting the voltage amplified strangely you might have the resonance but now you should try to divide this resonance maybe between the coil and the water. I'm very exited with this. Also In few days i will start working very seriously on this. One my collaborator is coming to help me out and will bring some of my stuff to me.


Maybe the thing was just like stan said but the thing was that we needed to understand exactly what is happening to be able to fine tune the thing.


Fabio
Title: Re: Variable Inductor With Shorted Circuited Section VIWSCS
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 21, 2011, 02:11:04 am
Do you know those perpetual holders? The have a coil shorted so when you Pulse the coil than as the coil is shorted than the field colapse generating another pulse of same polarity just like stan said..


Think of this when you pulse the transformer the current will flow into the coil ever increasing the voltage as the flux is varying right?
Than when you finish the pulse as The residue magnetic field of the transformer will collapse on the short circuit vary thus the flux again and thus doubling the frequency and therefore generating another pulse.


I'm starting to really believe that this short circuited segment of coil is the main secret of the vic.


If this is right my theory about the electron extraction must be focused to work on this parameters I guess. Wow at this point i don't know...