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Re: How much HHO do we need?
« Reply #24 on: March 22, 2013, 16:23:25 pm »
Just to mention...

GREAT part of the gasolines energy come from the formation of CO CO2 and NO's

Thereto meyer simply used the equivalence of hydrogen amount to compare the power. not really fair...

anyways -

The CO is almost aways formed but the CO2 is harder to form rapidly during combustion thereto it is burned together with NO into the catalyser to form C02 and NO2 which are less agressive gases since they are now stable....

Part of the gasoline goes out the pipe without being burned at all



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Re: How much HHO do we need?
« Reply #25 on: March 23, 2013, 10:51:32 am »
How hot can an engine become inside the combustion chamber?
What happens with H2O at certain temperature?
How hot burns hydrogen?

The question how much H do we need, is not a simple calculation as proposed by some of you.

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Re: How much HHO do we need?
« Reply #26 on: March 23, 2013, 16:10:50 pm »
not much..

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Re: How much HHO do we need?
« Reply #27 on: March 24, 2013, 06:14:03 am »
The only difference between gasoline and water is...gasoline has twice as much oxygen as water, bound up with the carbon. The combustion result of HHO is JUST water. The combustion result of gasoline (assuming stoichiometric combo) produces CO2 and water. If we were to use an ICE in the designed manner with HHO, first we would need to seperate the H and O, as the intake of the ICE would throw our HHO mixture WAY out of balance. Then we would need to realize that half the cylinders' volume would need to be H. This is essentially what Myth Busters did in there free energy episode, where they supposedly debunked HHO, Bedini, etc.

 Now let me explain why this is all wrong...



First, if we replaced gasoline with HHO in an equivalent manner, we would most likely destroy our engines. HHO burns much faster and hotter than gasoline. Did Stan build a WFC and hook it up to his carb and go? No! He realized you can't, it isn't feasible to create that on-demand, and if you could our engines simply aren't designed for that kind of power. So what the hell right? You could argue that he did, that's what the exhaust gasses are for etc...I purpose that it is not combustion in the classical sense. Instead he charges the heat exchanging medium (air) before it enters the engine (gas proc), then he injects excited hydrogen (higher energy state) and "weakened" oxygen (lower energy state), mixes it with incombustible exhaust gasses (ie, stable, or ground level energy state)...when this mixture is compressed and triggered, the hydrogen and oxygen DO NOT recombine.

For over a hundred years the ICE has not significantly changed...70% of the energy goes straight out the tail pipe...I believe Stan fundamentally changed the ICE's mode of operation, not just its fuel source. He understood the ICE is a wasteful heat exchanger, and created a micro-event that utilizes less fuel, yet has a more efficient heat exchange

Imagine the engine running on water, a combustible fluid that needs not be ignited to convert unlike gas or diesel.

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Re: How much HHO do we need?
« Reply #28 on: March 24, 2013, 06:16:25 am »
How hot can an engine become inside the combustion chamber?
What happens with H2O at certain temperature?
How hot burns hydrogen?

The question how much H do we need, is not a simple calculation as proposed by some of you.

I think you answered that question years ago when you ran the 600cc streetbike :) I tip my hat. N Btw, not as hot as a Diesel.

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Re: How much HHO do we need?
« Reply #29 on: March 25, 2013, 09:57:06 am »
Yeh. That was fun.
3000 rpm it went on 1.5kw of outlet power in the cell....