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sebosfato:
Hi steve

That was my guess of the day,

tutanka keeps talking about pure water and nitrogen and meyer only showed once the N atoms ...
Do you think there might be something strange?

Today i had a lesson about capacitance and i learned how to make the cylindrical capacitance calculation too i guess... being everything in meters i believe would be better than parallel plates being rods inside ... the one with a b and ln ...

ln is a function opposite to the exponential one...

sebosfato:

if we assume the exhaust could be OH ions there would be a strange gain in volume because there would be more molecules at the output, maybe this would give more" thermal energy expansion " i was thinking that if we could burn H2 + O we would have H20 output however if we burn H2+2O   then output would be -OH + -OH the double of oxygens would interact in the combustion chamber... What do you think about ??? Maybe this -OH's need a bit of photon energy to reach an equilibrium and become water again.... aka re energize...

Steve:

--- Quote from: sebosfato on April 24, 2010, 02:36:52 am ---thinking about that

if we assume the exhaust could be OH ions there would be a strange gain in volume because there would be more molecules at the output, maybe this would give more" thermal energy expansion " i was thinking that if we could burn H2 + O we would have H20 output however if we burn H2+2O   then output would be -OH + -OH the double of oxygens would interact in the combustion chamber... What do you think about ??? Maybe this -OH's need a bit of photon energy to reach an equilibrium and become water again.... aka re energize...

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Fabio,

I did some reading on cars running on hydrogen and there is lots to read on the net. The output of the exhaust  which they all mention are:
Water(vapour) and NOx.
No other elements so far.
I will continue reading on this.

Ciao

Steve:
Here a doc of Bockris.

Fabio, please have a look at it.
It explains some methodes.
One if it is the rotating methode of magnets which create a potential diff and make hydrogen that way.

Steve

sebosfato:
Hi Steve,

I have being thinking about how to make the output of the car to be gas ions instead of Plain H20... maybe OH-, If you think about If our output from the exhaust could be OH we would double the number of reactions of the H2 we are injecting in the motor thus we could have instead of 18 grams reacting we would have 34 grams. This is almost the double of the mass reacted so if we have an increase in mass according to the relative theory Ein Gas // DET  Md  Cˆ2  you will also have an energy increase...

I was thinking about and i was thinking about a video i saw in youtube that was about electrostatic induction, and i was thinking about if it in base is't related to magnetism some how... well, i was thinking that what we are really having to do on what we call ionizer (gas processor...)  could induce charge on the gas by electrostatic induction for almost free because if you don't touch the conductors you won't discharge the dipole of the high voltage field.. . Meaning if you don't reach a spark ... That to say, maybe the gas processor didn't took much electrons of it just gave a charge on the gas as much as positive as it is possible, thus there would be the history where Meyer told us "hey i'm the big oxygen atom, you hydrogen come here lets bound together, but remaining the oxygen with an overall positive charge it won't allow other positive hydrogen to bound... OH+

Maybe?

To give the gas a high positive charge, we should have a dielectric material such as aluminum oxide or something like to act in the negative voltage zone splitting the dielectric in two allowing the positive zone to be where the gas is passing...

So we still need a considerable amount of hydrogen to run the car right ...

Well maybe if we could create O4 or O5 O6 i don't know maybe we could create molecules in the output like O2H O3H having a huge gain in mass, having a enormous amount of energy exceeding many thousand's barrels of oil with one liter of water...   Maybe .. LEts do the calculation to see if it works

E= m* c ^2

lets take 1 liter of water 1000g

the amount of gain in mass of oxygen if it would just become OH would be 888g so that would become 1888 grams, so we take

E = 1888g * c^288000000 m/s

E= 8.94e+16 I don't know the unit maybe joules...