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Voltage Potentials Ability to Perform Work
« on: April 20, 2009, 01:10:53 am »
if you have ever tried the old experiments of stanleys first patents then im sure you have tried this.....

take a variac and run it through a transformer to isolate it from the primary then take the outputs of the secondary and run it through a bridge rectifier...connect your now unipolar DC pulse frequency signal from the rectifier to your tubes...........

now turn on the variac and begin to increase voltage amplitude......you will notice bubbles form and you begin to have gas production....keep increasing the voltage amplitude......now you will blow out the fuse in your variac at a certain voltage amplitude level....why?...becuase you have arc'd your voltage over the tube cell and current decided to have it's way.

now let's put in a new fuse and this time place a resistor between the ground ouput of the bridge rectifier and the tube cell......this resistor will attempt to stop the flow of electrons from reaching the ground source.

turn on the variac and begin to increase voltage amplitude....this time you can surpass where your fuse blew before......now the voltage amplitude is much higher and performing the same amount of work......your resistor will become incredibly hot depending on the amount of electrons you are holding back from allowing to arc.....eventually it will arc and you will have to switch to an even higher resistance.


i have read the patent a while ago but decided i would atleast do it for the hell of it.....

just food for thought on how voltage can perform work when current is cut back......every tube setup has it's point of arcing.

now with my function generator, mosfet, 12 volt dc battery/ variable voltage amplitude control and john's figure 6-1 coil i can take bare tubes out of water and bring them to the point of arcing. (usually at a very low frequency).....now if i am to submerge them in water i would have to increase the power/voltage amplitude just as you would with the variac experiment to bring them to the point of arcing.......but it is almost impossible with my current power setup......now i might be able to do a complete sweep of all frequencies but i am unaware of the frequency range to use with johns coil before internal arcing would occur inside the coil before the capcitor......and i rather not find out the hard way....this is why i have not played around with lower frequencies yet.

everything is dependant upon amplitude and frequency.


these are concepts.

i have made this section to inform people of a concept that isn't fully taken into seriousness.

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Re: Voltage Potentials Ability to Perform Work
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2009, 17:31:10 pm »
Thank you Kinesisfilms.

Great stuff.
we all learn from you here.

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Re: Voltage Potentials Ability to Perform Work
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2009, 17:39:40 pm »
Lets join in here.

P=U*I

U=I*R

Kinesisfilms test:
example: 40v = 40amps * 1 ohm meaning the the WFC has a low resistance of 1 ohm and starts to arc.
Add a resistor in line with the WFC of 9 ohms: 40V = 4 amps * 10 ohms

Now raising the voltage till 400V= 40amps * 10 ohms and sparking again......am i right Kinesisfilms?

My conclusion is that you still have to same amount of amps and also the same production rate. am I right here?
I know that Stan said that production would raise, but i never seen that in my tests.
Can you confirm any improvement Kinesisfilms?

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Re: Voltage Potentials Ability to Perform Work
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2009, 17:54:23 pm »
About the arcing.... there is no way arcing will occur between the WFC gap when filed with water.

The reason the fuse blows, it is because water will conduct more as the voltage increases. 

Adding the resistor just puts a limit on how much current you allow, then preventing from blowing the fuse, but also making the whole circuit way less efficient.

So I don't really see it as voltage performing work, I see it as a current limiter, and if you have no current at all, there will be no production at all.

Maybe I'm wrong ? but I'm also a hands on experimenter.

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Re: Voltage Potentials Ability to Perform Work
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2009, 17:56:20 pm »
Unless something is improving production, it seems that this is the wrong way in terms of absolute consumed power..


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Re: Voltage Potentials Ability to Perform Work
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2009, 17:58:03 pm »
So you are taking the tubes out of the water and you see a spark , and somehow this is meaningful ? Absolutely meaningless .

This theory of voltage has been tried and tried again , its not voltage .

Its this particle oscillation , proven technology like single-wire transmission and avramenko plug revolve around this .

The Meyer papers become extremely relevant once you take this ''scalar theory'' into account .




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Re: Voltage Potentials Ability to Perform Work
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2009, 18:20:53 pm »
everything as stated above i have reiterated from patent 4,798,661

i use the term arcing in definition of  "when the resistor no longer provides a complete block to electron leakage."

in the first case teh only resistor is the water....which inhibts electron flow....but once the waters resistance is overcome and current flows.....i consider that arcing.....not a physical arc as in ionizing air plasma arcs.

please read patent 4,798,661.......this is how stan explains what is going on in the system......i have just simply tried it in reference to what he has been saying.

and electrojolt.....in regards to your statement about current flow......i have gotten very small gas production while using a flyback transformer at incredibly minimal amperage before.


so i am always for what stan has always been saying about voltage potential can and will split water.

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Re: Voltage Potentials Ability to Perform Work
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2009, 19:49:10 pm »
everything as stated above i have reiterated from patent 4,798,661

i use the term arcing in definition of  "when the resistor no longer provides a complete block to electron leakage."

in the first case teh only resistor is the water....which inhibts electron flow....but once the waters resistance is overcome and current flows.....i consider that arcing.....not a physical arc as in ionizing air plasma arcs.

please read patent 4,798,661.......this is how stan explains what is going on in the system......i have just simply tried it in reference to what he has been saying.

and electrojolt.....in regards to your statement about current flow......i have gotten very small gas production while using a flyback transformer at incredibly minimal amperage before.


so i am always for what stan has always been saying about voltage potential can and will split water.

I have done a similar experiment with a flyback transformer with similar results (little gas production) but again you need some current flow even if minimal and minimal current flow = minimal gas production.