### Author Topic: Voltage Potentials Ability to Perform Work  (Read 16199 times)

0 Members and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

#### Login to see usernames

• Moderator
• Hero member
• Posts: 657
##### Re: Voltage Potentials Ability to Perform Work
« Reply #24 on: April 21, 2009, 19:22:39 pm »

Have you looked at it?  Make sure your probe is grounded to the primary's ground.

see here is the difference....you cannot do that.....becuase the tube cell is on an isolated ground it is not to be connected to the primary ground.

the primary and vic tube connections are 2 COMPLETELY DIFFERENT GROUNDS.....i would short out the vic circuit if connected as you state.

then you will not be getting correct signals.

please rethink what is going on in stanleys circuit.

@DANKIE:

this may sound odd but i was thinking about the bifilar connections in my sleep and what i realized was that there are really 2 ways to connect your version of the bifilar......one with the directional flow towards the cell as in the red arrow (i think this is what i have tried....i really cannot remember due to the fact i never thought about this before.).....or one with the directional flow towards the diode as in blue.....i will try both methods.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/flowupbifi.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/flowdownbifi.jpg)

#### Login to see usernames

• 50+
• Posts: 61
##### Re: Voltage Potentials Ability to Perform Work
« Reply #25 on: April 22, 2009, 14:23:29 pm »

Have you looked at it?  Make sure your probe is grounded to the primary's ground.

see here is the difference....you cannot do that.....becuase the tube cell is on an isolated ground it is not to be connected to the primary ground.

the primary and vic tube connections are 2 COMPLETELY DIFFERENT GROUNDS.....i would short out the vic circuit if connected as you state.

then you will not be getting correct signals.

please rethink what is going on in stanleys circuit.

I hope you read the patents and tech brief better than you read forum posts.

What I said was connect your oscilloscope ground clip
to the primary winding ground.(the battery negative or whatever your using for negative on the primary side)

This will give you a reference to understand what is coming out of  the transformer.
And yes I know that the output of the transformer is floating potentials.

The phase of the signals at the tubes really needs to be known.

Oh and another thought.
I don't think there will be enough power available to
cause damage, but high resistance wire is commonly
used as a heating element and the SS wire falls into that category.

#### Login to see usernames

• Moderator
• Hero member
• Posts: 657
##### Re: Voltage Potentials Ability to Perform Work
« Reply #26 on: April 23, 2009, 06:05:46 am »
it seems unfiltered pulses are better then square waves.......regardless either will work.......but in stans earlier work he used unfiltered dc pulsed on and off at a 50
5 duty cycle......then those cycles gated.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/unfiltered2.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/unfiltered3.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/unfiltered.jpg)

#### Login to see usernames

• Jr. member
• Posts: 16
##### Re: Voltage Potentials Ability to Perform Work
« Reply #27 on: April 23, 2009, 07:26:12 am »
A post just for fun,, something to do and look at..

#### Login to see usernames

• 50+
• Posts: 68
##### Re: Voltage Potentials Ability to Perform Work
« Reply #28 on: April 23, 2009, 20:29:58 pm »
If the transformer is good then w/e input wave form will have the same waveform on the secondary .

If you got square waves thats perfect .

#### Login to see usernames

• Moderator
• Hero member
• Posts: 657
##### Re: Voltage Potentials Ability to Perform Work
« Reply #29 on: April 30, 2009, 04:30:41 am »
About the arcing.... there is no way arcing will occur between the WFC gap when filed with water.

this is what i am talkign about...from the patent i referenced i call it arcing also.....it is not a plasma arc but a leap of current across a gap.....technically that is arcing.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/4304.jpg)

and from what i am understanding now is that as you apply the positive voltage to one plate it will begin to pull a negative charge from the opposing plate from the ground....if positive amplitude is continually increased then it would arc......the positive voltage amplitude is to be raised just enough to almost cause arcing.

it works like lightning...negative reaches out ot meet positive....this is why stan has the positive potential seperate from the negative potential in the graph below....it occurs just like this........this is what i have noticed how it works when i bring it to the point of shorting out.....anything beyond what i have drwan would be shorting it out and current would arc over.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/polarity.jpg)

this is why in the later methods the bifilar winding will cuase the pulses from both sides of the tubes.

if you can just play around with this earlier patent it will yield a very good understanding of hte water splitting process.

and this is what i was talking about when i said bringing it almost to the point of arcing.....
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/nothot.jpg)

i think stan realized that voltage did have the ability to split water and this patent was his realization that there was a method around faraday......now all he ahd to do was remove the resistor that was holding current back and replace it with a magnetic field......and if you do what i have tried and explained step by step in the beginning of this thread you will also realize the water does not become hot or filled with gunk as it would normally.......this is the beginning concept.
« Last Edit: April 30, 2009, 05:37:12 am by kinesisfilms »

#### Login to see usernames

• Sr. member
• Posts: 368
• Yes I got Jolted,
##### Re: Voltage Potentials Ability to Perform Work
« Reply #30 on: April 30, 2009, 18:46:25 pm »
Ok, so if that is what Stan calls Arcing, then we doomed since arcing starts at about 1.6 volts

#### Login to see usernames

• Moderator
• Hero member
• Posts: 657
##### Re: Voltage Potentials Ability to Perform Work
« Reply #31 on: May 01, 2009, 08:26:28 am »
arcing for me doesn't start around 1.6 volts at all......what quality of water are you using.....it all depends on the resistance....higher resistance higher voltage amplitude!.....it is all here......and dankie i can't seem to watch the videos you are referring to.