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Re: unipolar pulse trains
« Reply #48 on: November 03, 2008, 19:52:41 pm »
oooooo now i think im on to why i am not getting the double pulse out of the "resonant charging choke" as stan states........now on section 7-17 or page 155 of the tech brief .pdf there is figure 7-23 "coil interaction" which talks about distrubuted capacitance.......now i have been reading into this and alot of it has to do with antennas.......funny becuase stephen meyer stated in an interview that you have to build the waterfuel cell like an antenna.

lowimpedance and high impedance
http://www.w8ji.com/loading_inductors.htm


chokes an capacitance
http://www.electronics-tutorials.com/basics/chokes.htm

so now i'm thikning it's not just an inductor, but a choke......and yes there is a difference!


more things people won't read.
http://home.austin.rr.com/teslafun/Induction.htm


haithar thank you for the above post....i have come to realize what is going on with series lc circuits....but it still something i am not confident in.

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Re: unipolar pulse trains
« Reply #49 on: November 03, 2008, 23:37:48 pm »


After studying the tesla patent for the bifilar coil it's clear where i made a mistake when i tested my cell. The bifilar coil is not wound bifilar to create opposing magnetic fields thus minimizing the inductance, it's there to raise the inductance and because of that creating a very high voltage pulse (after lenz's law) which also lowers current.

You must connect the bifilar coil like Jnaudin did or tesla, not as stated in D14.pdf!

If everything is done right there is no need for a coating really, because of the very little current at the capacitor.


Yes i have just been stressing the difference for weeks now , glad you paid attention . Using the Naudin connection inductance is amplified , using the Lawton connection the inductance is nullified.

Using the Naudin connection it would be better to have the coil in sections to avoid any arcing between wires. If you go too high step up voltage it will arc.

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=870


But it seems like Stan used both connections .... the Lawton connection was used for *Easer*

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Re: unipolar pulse trains
« Reply #50 on: November 04, 2008, 02:50:14 am »
oooooo now i think im on to why i am not getting the double pulse out of the "resonant charging choke" as stan states........now on section 7-17 or page 155 of the tech brief .pdf there is figure 7-23 "coil interaction" which talks about distrubuted capacitance.......now i have been reading into this and alot of it has to do with antennas.......funny becuase stephen meyer stated in an interview that you have to build the waterfuel cell like an antenna.

lowimpedance and high impedance
http://www.w8ji.com/loading_inductors.htm


chokes an capacitance
http://www.electronics-tutorials.com/basics/chokes.htm

so now i'm thikning it's not just an inductor, but a choke......and yes there is a difference!


more things people won't read.
http://home.austin.rr.com/teslafun/Induction.htm


haithar thank you for the above post....i have come to realize what is going on with series lc circuits....but it still something i am not confident in.


Dont get lost now, you've come a long ways. Now go back and look at my thread where i show videos of how the primary of the auto ignition coil is wrapped. Understand how it converts 12 volts to 300+ volts ;)

Then learn what the fuel cell really is, it is a condenser not a capacitor. Well, maybe a very small capacitor but its more of a condenser. If you look at how the auto ignition circuit "is working" then you will see that the diode in stans VIC is missing something.

So you have a transformer, diode. . . .  . ... and 2 chokes that convert a low voltage to a very high voltage during the off pulse, "Just like the auto coils primary does, its a converter" and you also have a tunning choke. Hrmm... what could the tuning choke be for?

you know i did some test today. My primary wrapping on my transformer reads 6 ohms. And i used 120 volts. Now, ohms law says i should be consuming 120/6 OHMS = 20 amps. Now heres the problem, its not consuming 20 amps but only a few milliamps. I've calculated the actual resistance of the primary to be around 1500 to 2000 ohms during operation. Now, This is something you should be thinking about, Think about how to alter the diodes cut in voltage later kines, the conversion want work without it ;) When your all done, it has nothing to do with the resonate freq of water, but how much amp flow you can gain in an resonate circuit.

For example, the video i have posted for you shown 130 volts input at 160 MA. 20 watts. The Amount of power the fuel cell was consuming was about 11.5 volts at 1.20 Amps. That is a Decrease in Wattage BUT wattage is not important. In an LC circuit During resonance Amp Flow is at its peak. Voltage doesn't matter, Voltage doesn't work the coil and capacitor electrons do.

Also, in that same video, The Primary ignition coil i had used for a choke didn't do much of anything. There was really no pulse from the transformer to cause it to , "Convert" you see. In that video it would block or reduce current, but it just for some reason would not convert the voltage due to the diode not alowing a "Pulse." Something there isn't right to allow the conversion to work.

If you understand this post, Then go back to where me and stevie got square waves from our alternators output. Figure out what caused them.

just my thoughts.

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Re: unipolar pulse trains
« Reply #51 on: November 04, 2008, 04:17:17 am »
hmm i just read the entire alternator output thread and it is very difficult for me to visually see this is in my mind.....i have never touched an alternator in my life.......i find what you talk about with the ignition coil to be very fascinating.......and from my step charges i have been doing im wondering i could just pulse an ignition coil through my setup into my cell to achieve high voltage step charging......sort of a raw version.......but i will be completely honest you have far more experience and hands on then i do, and i try to grab every concept and learn as much as possible so give me time to try and understand what you say since you speak indirectly and around what your trying to not give away.....i have this cool java applet now from one of the above posts in another forum.....i have made a simple series resonance circuit throug ha transformer without a diode and it produces around 14 KV a second.....but they are not unipolar....or "double pulse frequency".......the minute you add a diode to half wave rectifiy it it just slaughters the resonance.....voltage over the capacitor is reduced to a mere transformer output stepup of around 20-30 volts.....i am trying to learn this in a sequential order........i can't jsut jump into patent schematics without understanding each and every part of the process......


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Re: unipolar pulse trains
« Reply #52 on: November 04, 2008, 05:25:31 am »
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« Reply #53 on: November 04, 2008, 06:33:32 am »
i have looked at stevies step charging thread......but when i say mine is eactly like the patent i mean exactly like the patent images....the round tops on the pulses the pulses in the background with the analog voltage across the plates line in the middle.......but i am not using the blocking diode with the inductor to form my second pulse....it just doesn't work that way for me with a diode......i have recently made a resonance circuit but in the state it's in it won't step charge a capacitor......the votlage across the capacitor will be in the kilovolts....but no step charge due to no unipolar double frequency pulse.....this is what i need to accomplish in a resonance circuit.......

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« Reply #54 on: November 04, 2008, 07:26:28 am »
then replace the diode with a circuit thats very hard to build. yuck.

These are all know facts.

The auto coils primary only is a voltage converter. It takes 12 volts and steps it up to 300 volts.

An Transformer Makes Sine waves. Diodes do not cut on and off with sine waves. So if you hook a auto choke in this vic then there will be no kickback, emf. Sad is it.

The Fuel cell is a Condenser, if it was not a condenser then the cores would never charge in the chokes be cause no current would flow within the circuit, its clearly a condenser that is a poor capacitor. It condenses, into hydroxy.

120v trafo consuming 160 MA 20w will create 11.5 volts 1.2 amps to your single cell with no chokes period. But you must use "2 diodes to full wave rectify." I know you can full bridge it like the basic but then your not understanding this circuit if you do that. Think of it as a double vic.

LC circuits resonate, AMPS. During resonance there will be an maximum amp flow and it is triggered by only milliamps at the transformers input. Kickback chokes will just add to the current flowing "if you can get them to work."

When the chokes do work properly, then your fuel cell will be a perfect "Condenser" and will condense into hydroxy During the Pulse Off Time. I'm not hiding anything, each day we get closer and closer. Things come to me when they want, i do not ask for them most of the time. I was busy working on my spark plug circuit when i read a telsa paragraph that made me understand how valuable the kickback is. We now know its there. Stans circuit gives a great way of understanding but the diodes doors needs oiling. I feel for the one that wants to oil them doors just to seek kickback, or a double sided pulse. But with a diode and nothing else you can forget it, not gonna happen.

It happened with the alternator, wish i could have got it on scope cause it was perfect square waves. Must have something to do with the rotor hooked in parallel with the fuel cell and regulated down by the fet. Something happened. Look into the cut in and out voltages of them alternator diodes and see if that helps because something about it is diff. We should not have been getting square waves.

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Re: unipolar pulse trains
« Reply #55 on: November 05, 2008, 04:21:26 am »
so while messing around with this resonant circuit i thought why not add a switch in parallel with the diode...........so first you allow the resonance to take the voltage up to say 14 kv in around 1 second depending on the electronic components then activate the switch in fron of the diode......thus creating a unipolar pulse...and holding the 14 kv in the cell at a constant rate.......now if we put another diode in parallel with a switch on the bottom of the vic circuit we can alternate the switches so in a sense the capcitor can discharge and we can have a manual gating occuring......so far this works in the circuit program.....we would just need a simple circuit to control the switches to activate the diodes for when they need to be on and off......thus giviing us a step cahrging effect of high voltage at resonance.......the 2 things that don't want to go together.....resonance and diodes.....and since it's in resonance there is virtually no current at all....mathematically there is zero......i am getting my inductance meter soon and i will give this a try.......


RECAP.....resoannce works but not when there is a diode......step charging wont occur without a diode......so lets get resonance to a high voltage then switch on the diode holding the voltage at that level inside the capacitor till it diffuses itself throught the water.....then switch diode off and the other on reversing itself discahrging its hold.....and just do this back and forth between the diodes.....and when ever voltage needs to be stepped up to high rates again it can be done......it sounds liek a tricky process but it may work......i want to try it manually first and see if the step charging hold on resonance works.....cuase in a perfect circuit it seems to work.....but i need to see how it reacts in real scenarios....when i saw the term switching diode i thought hey waht if we actually switch the diode on and off......and bang.


switch is closed at first......turn the system on voltage soars to component maximum....theoretically let's say 2 kilovolt..... then the switch is activated turning the diode on.....(switching diode as stan calls it (i'm taking this literally)) unipolar double pulse across capacitor between inductor and capacitor.......and gating would be the reversing of the diodes. one open one closed one open one closed. over and over....or maybe even just one diode would be needed since ther capacitor might lose charge over time.....see in this circuit everything is ideal....no resistance has been added to anything yet.....that will come later when i mirror the circuit to my real world version.

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