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Re: unipolar pulse trains
« Reply #208 on: April 11, 2009, 06:38:59 am »
Keep Up The Faith (We Can’t Stop Now)

stevejlo came to my house today from Dallas.  He brought his circuit and cell so we ran some test on the Vic.  We could only get the coil to show voltage on a meter to 460V.  I talked to komtek and dynodon after we finished and got some encouragement. 


First: The voltage that the coil read went to zero as soon as we put the leads in the water.

Second: The voltage would peg my 1KV meter to error and having to be reset if I didn't keep the leads in contact with the terminal from the startup.

Third: We hooked the coil up to an o'scope on the cell contacts and got the same step charging design as the bottom half of the tech brief (Figure 1-4: Applied Voltage to Resonant  Cavity) with the same pattern as (Figure 6-3: Dynamic Voltage Potential) floating about 1/2" above it.

Fourth: When hooking up the o'scope while running the circuit the scope started reacting to the electrical static within a couple of inches of the contact.

Fifth: we couldn’t make one bubble in the cell.

I've been emailing back and forth with H2Opower the past few weeks and he says the coil we have is the VIC Voltage Enhancement Circuit (VIC - VB) (620) of Figure (7-1) and it is intended to be used with the injector.

komtek says that the voltmeter is pulling a load that is drawing down the voltage and that the voltage without amperage my be climbing to 2kv to 3kv hence the pegging out the volt meter when hooking it up under a load. He has already built this same coil and is having the same results with it.

Dynodon say’s the buggy has a large after market ignition coil on it that Stan must have been using for the sparkplugs.

I have figured the math for the capacitance required for this coil @ 5khz and it is .053nf or 53pf.  The cell we were trying to test with today was 1.5mf, that is 28,301 times more capacitance than it should be.

I don't think the two leads of this coil will ever be submerged in the water bath.  I think I will pursue a very small injector that will have a maybe hypodermic needle size Ventura tube drawing in water as a mist to force with air pressure across the voltage fields of these electrodes to get the capacitance down and then try to sparkplug fire the mist mixture. If I can design a small tube type injector that I can feed the air flow through this static electrical field with a electron extraction circuit collector connected to it then we my have found a simple way to ionize the air to a point of hitting (gtnt)

This is the statement after (Eq 24) on page 7-10 of the tech brief

Whereas,
Capacitor (ER) should remain relatively small due to the dielectric value of water to obtain maximum Thermal Explosive Energy-Yield (16a xxx 16n) of Figure (4-5) and subsequently establishing Quenching Circuit (370) of Figure (3-40) to prevent gas ignition inside traveling voltage wave-guide (590) of Figure (6-2) as to (730) of Figure (7-12) ... to bring-on and trigger Hydrogen Fracturing Process (390) of Figure (3-42) once liberated and expanding water gases (100) of Figure (4-8) passes beyond exit port (E9d) ... activating Voltage Ignition Process (90) of Figure (5-5) ... utilizing Dynamic Voltage Potential (600) of Figure (6-3) of opposite electrical stress (SS' - 617 - RR') to cause thermal atomic agitation (90) of Figure (4-7) (kinetic heat by atomic motion) which, when occurring at gas exit port (32) of Figure (4-5), spark-ignites expanding water gas-fuel (45/46/47) of Figure (4-5) during water inject cycle (70) of Figure (4-5) ... releasing thermal explosive energy (gtnt) (16) under control state.


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Re: unipolar pulse trains
« Reply #209 on: April 11, 2009, 06:42:00 am »
i have had positive results when connecting one end of my tube to the earth ground aka (isolated electrical ground).....thus giving me 2 seperate grounds.....one for the primary and one for the tubes and vic.....at a certain frequency i achieved the second pulse and 590 volts DC read on my meter...my tubes where not in water.....at low frequency a spark would jump across the tubes......i played around with this for a moment.....then after submerging the tubes in water i had switched some wires around and nothing would even show up on my scope.....i checked for a short in the vic coil...nothing....still perfect.....i think the alligator clips are at fault for now.....and since i am slightly intoxicated right now i would rather proceed tomorrow......but i have achieved the second pulse....and my tubes were not in resonance yet........hopefully tomorrow.

but i have achieved a second pulse with positive results when using an "isolated ground"....hydrocars always talks about this and how you cannot achieve high voltage without it....and yesterday i also achieved surface bubbles to form on the tubes and have shocked myself with the vic coil before dishcarging the bifilar windings.

stay tuned or try the earth ground approach!

i am excited but just need to let my crappy clips relax.....playing around with the sparking across the tubes is what might have done it....this is something that happens alot from experience with half of my alligator clips.

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Re: unipolar pulse trains
« Reply #210 on: April 11, 2009, 08:00:27 am »
if this is going with an injector then stan says the dune buggy would use 7 micro-liters of water per injection cycle, that should give a scale for the size of the injector, the more i think about it, the smaller the injector must be, but this is great progress, only 5 days till i am done of exams and then i'm free to work on this non stop :) this is getting exciting

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Re: unipolar pulse trains
« Reply #211 on: April 11, 2009, 15:11:17 pm »
The oscilloscope stevejlo and I used to look at the coil with is an old scope I bought off ebay. I drew a picture of the signal the coil generated on it as close as I could.  Stevejlo had adjusted the scope to a place where this was what we got.

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Re: unipolar pulse trains
« Reply #212 on: April 11, 2009, 16:57:21 pm »
It would be geat if you did detailed all your experiments like where you are putting your scope leads , water used , etc ...

So when you put water the voltage potential is nothing , as we could expect . If you are putting the cope leads across the cell thats not the way to go . If you wanna have an idea of whats going on you must put scope leads  on positive side before cell and the ground after negative choke .

Make a pic of how exactly you connect the coil to the cell , and the winding/connection of the cell .

What I am interrested in is how does the Hutchison effect work , that metals covalent bonding is all messed up , I`m sure a voltage field would just rip it all apart ...

Plz read the Demartin posts over @ overunity.com

He mentions all it is you are mentionning. Nothing here surprises me , we are just hitting the same old wall again .
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Re: unipolar pulse trains
« Reply #213 on: April 11, 2009, 17:20:39 pm »
yes you should start a log book

date, purpose of experiment, method, circuit diagram, results, notes, observations, comments, questions, you can take pictures, and do audio/video too if you want

same thing you do in chemistry or physics labs in school, and you learn about the original science experiments, faraday and newton and all them used log books, it is pretty much a necessary fact of the process

the idea is to figure it out and develop the tech, so this is a record and proof of your work. the data you release is of course different, stan never released his experimental notes, only his successes and products, but all engineers and scientists... and doctors.... and lawyers, have logs



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Re: unipolar pulse trains
« Reply #214 on: April 11, 2009, 17:22:57 pm »
!!!! JOHN when you got those results how was your vic connected to the tubes....and was there an earth ground?.....or just tell me how you connected it to hte tubes?....i am about to start re experimenting right now...i just woke up.

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Re: unipolar pulse trains
« Reply #215 on: April 11, 2009, 17:48:14 pm »
Troy,
I didn't try an earth ground.  We couldn't get any reading with the leads in the water. We hooked the scope up to the two contacts on the sides of the chokes that should go to the cell.