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Stanley A Meyer March 2021 Q&A EPG and Magnetic Gases
« on: March 01, 2021, 19:29:36 pm »
A new topic for Multi Tier EPG build including mod 12 with parts list and list designators is being started today  8 Mar 202
First, I just wanted to thank all the team members, team ionizationx and others working on the EPG replications for your help!!

This month the EPG technologies  will be considered with emphasis at the various states of matter and how they relate to discrete
magnetic domains

Consider these states of matter:

1.` Solid
2.  Liquid
3.  Gas
4.  Plasma

 Type of phase                     Examples
Solid magnets                     Ferro-ceramic, mixtures such as Alnico, the transitional metals Fe Co Ni,  minerals such as magnetite   clear magnets magnetic domains in acrylics, glass, optical glues liquid glass
Liquids                                Chemicals exhibiting magnetism that are liquid at or near STP
Solids mixed in liquids       Ferrofluids,   Magnetic  Silly Putty(tm)   gel magnets magnetized nanorods

Solids mixed with gas         Gaseous suspensions of  nano sized magnetite or metal powders
Gas with Gas                       Argon with  stable Metal Argonides
Flash request  sandia24 send specs on the nanojectors  and nanotrodes   randkey 92614

Nickel ,Iron, and Cobalt Spectra link ( useful for the laser stimulation  project)

To get the online discussion going for this month I found an audio clip from a participant at an early Stan Meyer Demonstration Grove City
In it Jim Miller describes what appears to be a working EPG

You can listen to the entire file by clicking on the following link:

Look for the program by Jim Miller  (not me a common name)

The device characteristics in the audio file are described as follows:     video  clip time-mark is 10.00-12:00 min
Important points:
1. The tubing is glass ,( not copper as in later EPG models).
2. The tubing is formed in to a square-like configuration (not circular spirals)
3. Coils were wrapped around the tubing with an outer diameter of about 2 inches..
4. Each coil was about 1.5 inches long and 2 inches "thick".  (diameter?,  or  thickness of winding?)
5. Apparently "laser" light was reflected at each of the corners (90 degrees)
6  The tube was filled with what was described as a thin oil and very fine iron or iron-like particles
7  It was shown to investors present.
8  "The moving iron particles CREATED electricity' Lex said

The device resembles a line drawing or figure in a dealership manual.  See  photo of epg  page J12

So what Jim miller from Lexington  is seeming to say is that circulating small particles of iron  in a thin
oil and when then subsequently irradiated by a laserinduce a current  in pickup coils. as the irons-like particle circulate.
Total output determined by number of coils

Now consider very small particles of magnetite/iron-argonide in swirling argon]?
     as a carrier medium.

So if you want a gaseous medium that has a permanent magnetic qualities, here is one approach

 The Magnetic "Smoke" Process

1 .In the photographs of Stan's lab there are pictures of bottles of EFH-1 ferrofluid by Ferro Tec (Don Gabel and TOP photos)
2. The composition of ferro-fluids is basically a hydrocarbon type solvent, oleic acid stabilizer and powdered magnetite ( Ferrotech tech bulletins)
3. Generally the size of the magnetite particles is about 10 nanometers in diameter. for ferrofluids- by Ferro-tech   (Wiki)
5  Thus the magnetite particles are substantially smaller than pollen.
6. The larger size dust or pollen is easily suspended in air, as would nanoparticles of a smaller size
7. Argon is denser than air,                                       A denser gas is better able to support the  small solid particles
It is the opinion of the author that although FeAr, CoAr and NiAr moieties can be created                                                                                     ref NASA
These are created with very extreme conditions which is not  consistent with  the Stan Meyer           
philosophy of keeping things simple  (KISS-Keep It  Simple Stupid)
The Mag-Gas EPGs ( the six and seven tier systems )were engineered to produce large amounts of electrical power.   s  Stan Meyer Deercreek Sermonar transcript/audio file
EPG research  has stalled in the public sector due to insufficient knowledge of the characteristics of "mag-gas"

One possible approach:

1.Create a plasma spark with one  or both of the electrodes being hollow (slightly larger outside diameter than the needle
that is used to pump up a basketball) with ferrofluid being  slowly injected and flowing into the hollow electrode and with Argon
flooding the plasma arc and reaction chamber.

2.The plasma arc instantly vaporizes the ferrofluid leaving behind very hot, very small particles(10nM )of magnetite
(the advantage is that a greater number of particles are exposed to plasma condition at a faster rate than the surfaces
sublimation/ vaporization present with regular electrodes)

Also, the smaller the particle size of the nanoparticles spheres  the greater the surface area per gram of powder.

The rate of flow into the electrodes is controlled by moderating the pressure differential between the ferrofluid
reservoir and the plasma chamber, in-line flow valves and controlling the amount gas flow exiting the reaction chamber..
A magnetic field can easily direct this magnetite "smoke"  because magnetite is slightly magnetic and always
paramagnetic, with the other constituents products consumed or not directable by magnetic force.
Electrostatic or HEPA filters for filtering soot from oleic acid combustion

( Consider the effectiveness of home air purifier to remove odors and smoke (electrostatic)
(similar to Heli-arc welding process) to prevent  atmospheric oxygen from reacting with ionized iron or aluminum.

Stan made much of the concept of "shunting" properties of Argon for the formation of transitional metal-
Argon matrices in the New Zealand  House Meeting Tape

It's a basic principle of chemistry that for chemical reactions to occur, ionic  or covalent bonds must
be formed or broken.

When we add energy (thermal, static, magnetic or nuclear) to atoms we change the electronic clouds and
characteristics of the valence shells.
Argon is a monoatomic gas that is very stable and  filled outer electron shells
If you want Argon to react and enter into chemical reactions to form stable compounds
it needs to be in an extremely excited form as in a PLASMA-- providing very high heat
and extreme ionizing conditions.  (as in old style neon signs)

Iron is fairly reactive and rusting (oxidizing) at low temperatures partly because of
greater distance of the electrons to the positive nucleus and type of partially filled outer electron shell

Both moieties need to be in a common state of matter.

For example, when we combine mix solutions of  two different salts, all the atoms are existing  part of the time as ions

''''''''''if one combination of  the atoms form an insoluble salt, the reaction is forced to completion as the
precipitate is removed from the reaction.

If  in the reaction an insoluble salt precipitates out, the reaction is driven to completion because the
 precipitate is more stable ( lower entropy) and the more soluble entities remain in solution.

Now consider the situation of having Argon and Iron react:

When you destabilize the octet shell of Argon , from a energetics standpoint really wants
to complete its outer shell (octet rule) they often can react because all the parts of the compounds are
 in an ionized form.

Iron, on the other hand is very reactive when heated and so in the process of smelting iron ore, making
iron from iron oxide ore we use  coal or carbon to strip away the oxygen because the CO2 and CO bonds
are stronger than the iron oxygen bonds and are removed from the process as gases thereby driving
the smelting process to completion.

So essentially the plasma conditions are putting the  iron, magnetite and argon into a common ionized form
so that they can react.

Under extreme conditions the ionized argon is functioning more like  reactive chlorine or fluorine ions..

Argon, Chlorine and Fluorine have among the highest first ionization energy requirements!
Going back to a more stable state thus releases the the greatest energy and the new compounds have
the lowest entropy.

So there  is a tendency for Argon to associate toward the iron whose outer electrons have  easily "boiled" off
Argon -1 is  less negative ionically than  Fe -2 -0r -3. Argon is monoatomic but once ionized it can more easily
strip or share electron for iron. Basically it that takes more energy to pull off a second electron from Argon than
pull or or share electrons from the outer electron shell of iron.

The plasma spark is creating white hot incandescent magnetite with iron ionized on the surface of the nanoparticle

In nature Argon is monoatomic but under extreme conditions.  so while it is possible to make Xenon Hexafluoride
crystals  (,a noble gas with a highly reactive fluorine ion)  it too exists under extreme conditions

 In this case, we are driving the the reaction of charged Argon to react with larger iron atom witch
 will have lots of electrons more easily shared with a newly reactive Argon to complete its outer Argon shell

3. So now to "cool it" we make use of the electron extraction circuit into a resistive load
such as a incandescent bulb(s)  or nichrome heating element isolated ground which removes energy  and
then make use of the flash cooling coils and heat exchanger/ with Liquid Nitrogen./or 134a Freon(r)

A negative pressure gradient exists between the plasma vessel and electron extraction grid with the  heat
convection, electrostatic and magnetic linear drive coils assisting in movement or transport of  the new
compounds and particles

4. AND if the  heated particles are subsequently strongly magnetized (below the Curie temperature)
the size of the particle can allow for discrete magnetic domains

The particle still retains its paramagnetic properties of the magnetite but the surface
is more iron-like because of its covalent bonding with argon at the surface.

The excess argon  and iron-argonide acts in two ways:
1. Firstly like a coating or "surfactant"  on the surfaces of the nanoparticles to keep the particles apart
and dilution

and secondly to prevent oxidation during  the metal-gas  covalent formation.

There would be electrostatic repulsion between the particles as well as some
steric effects or shunting by the surface iron argonide with excess free argon creating
additional dilution and steric spacing between the magnetic particles.
Similar to dilution by kerosene when preparing ferro fluids of lower magnetic susceptibly

The EPGs may be circulating magnetized dust particles on a carrier of argon and
 the output enhanced by using a variety of compressional, angular and linear flow modulations
 in the magnetic fields traversing the pick-up coils.

 explaining in different words----------

One  method of preparation would be to use a thin hollow iron tube as one electrode in a high voltage arc.
But the tube is used to pump small amounts of ferrofluid t though the hollow electrodes and into the plasma arc arc.
Just as in Heli-arc welding the arc area is flooded with a basically non oxidizing gas .
but in this case the gas is argon at a reduced pressure.

 It is similar to having a argon sign with iron electrodes. (ionized argon and iron ions)  The cooling is  fairly rapid as
 evidenced by the shiny deposition of metal on inner surfaces of the old style tube pentodes and triodes or  in the process
 of aluminizing  films for first surface mirrors)

But this only occurs after passage toward and through the grounded control screens. (electron extraction)
The advantage to this process is that the diameter of the iron (magnetite) particles are of a uniform size  about 10nM
-----uniform sizing a help in forming uniform matrices

As the outer surface of the particles are heated in the plasma spark the electrons on the surface of

the magnetite particles are boiled. off or ejected. The argon atoms ions are extremely reactive and, as you know,
octets of electron shells are very stable.

The iron (or nickel or cobalt) (  because of the larger atomic diameter) the electrons in the outer orbits are more
able to be shared or be captured  by the vacancy in the 2s or 2d electron orbits of the noble gases.

Argon is a good  its size and relatively low weight allows for good saturation of the surface while
reducing the average weight of the particles. This improves its ability to be carried in the circulating argon

So think of 10nM particles of iron magnetite being surrounded by electrically neutral  iron-argonide.
 (or argon shunting as Stan said) but having a magnetized or magnetizable core.  It is analogous to magnetite
 being surrounded by oleic or stearic acid emulsifiers in the oil based ferro fluids for physical stability
 having of  paired electrons spinning the the same direction ( a characteristic of the transitional metals)

Stabilization is partly chemical (iron-argonide) on the surface of the particles and partly physical separation
by excess argon gas to reduce the clumping similar to that caused by magnetic attraction in the ferrofluids.
Other uncharacterized processes may be occurring...
But Argon and the other gaseous elements in the same column of the periodic table Ne ,,Kr, , and Xe, ,He all exist
as monoatomic gases at STP. To create compounds with the rare gas series ,  electron(s) need to be removed
from the outermost electron shell.

If you look at the figures for Ar, ,Ne, Cl etc. you will see the higher levels of voltage for first electron removal.

The easiest way to do this is with a high voltage transformer to create a spark gap such as used in the older  (pre LED)
neon signs

Since Stan mentions specifically the use of  Iron, Cobalt and Nickel from the magnetizable transitional metal series ,  in the
 mid 1980's when he was working on the EPG, the ferrofluids were a convenient way of obtaining small particles of iron.

The nanospheres  from ferrotech are 10 Nm.  In the early seminars ( the ones where he was shooting metal
rods  into cotton wadding he was showing the movement of iron by magnetic forces. (He was quite the showman)

If you inject the ferrofluid  (non-aqueous because
water acts as a quenching agent) the volatile
kerosene  would boil off and remains is the
non volatile nanospheres and and the oleic acid

But that's alright because this  burning process is being
done under the presence of an Argon atmosphere.

Because the carbon has a lower first electron ionization level in a plasma situation, the Argon will preferentially
accept  electrons  The octet rule for electron shells is paramount.

So the introduction of the ferrofluid directly into the plasma arc heats the nanoparticle to white-hot incandescent
temperatures in the presence of ionized argon

Some iron is actually vaporized into monoatomic
 vaporized Fe but because you can introduce
the iron at a greater rate than Argon you can force
the reaction to have more nanospheres incompletely

The analogy is similar to running an ICE  lean or rich .  The iron is the fuel, the argon is the oxygen
Since you are getting an incomplete "burn" the "soot" is basically incomplete combustion
ie.. surfaces of nanospheres are combined with argon but the core remains as magnetite

The higher temperature of the magnetite/iron core are then magnetized  and then cooled creating
discrete magnetic regions aligned with the existing magnet flux line at the time of cooling below the
Curie temperature.

The resulting spheres will have as higher amount of
magnetic aligned flux

Afte  r separation the magnetized iron nanospheres can be dispersed in a more concentrated amount
into the argon carrier for use in the 6 and 7 level Mag-Gas EPGs

Think dust[  /b] not gas

Q and A
A1 for sandia24    The construction of the nanotrodes is fairly straight forward   I already had a lot of the SS tubing with about 3 mmOD

                              The aerosol venturi system is more suited to the dry powders. The ultrasonic transducers will reduce the clumping  of
                               nano-powders but electrostatic attraction could be a problem. That is why the liquid carrier system is better.
                               Consider  the typical  antifungal foot spray powders  pressurized iso-pentane and micronized power antifungals
                               The immediate vaporization of the carrier occurs with some adiabatic cooling at the nozzle but the nanotrode is
                                arcing so the heat conduction will vaporize the kerosene near the tip so depending on flow rate of the ferrofluid
                                all have is the magnetite 10nM particles and a vapor being fed into the   plasma chamber

Q for librarian12      Pls check pats in JP CA US EPO and WIPO for circuit for gas generator a member here needed it
A2 for sandia24     Good question., I think in this case you want to opt for a lower viscosity ferrofluid, and even though this falls  outside the Goldilocks
                               zone for the liquid EPG series, the use of  lower viscosity ferrofluids can be adjusted for by running the rxn for a longer period of time
                               because you are only concerned the the final amount of product  So if the concentration of the Nano-magnetite is  half that per ml  of the
                               more viscous choice, just run the reaction  twice a long. You still wind up with the same amount of ionized magnetite particles.
                               you can increase yield by increasing the umber of nanojectors per reaction vessel. thnx for specs  Team blue will send you theirs
Randkey 94177
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Re: Stanley A Meyer March 2021 Q&A EPG and Magnetic Gases
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2021, 16:41:11 pm »
Thanks to following for February reports


March 25 new report date   add  proposed modifications to spreadsheet
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Re: Stanley A Meyer March 2021 Q&A EPG and Magnetic Gases
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2021, 05:26:50 am »
Do you remember the bingo " looking" reactor Stan used to make the "dust " with?

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Re: Stanley A Meyer March 2021 Q&A EPG and Magnetic Gases
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2021, 19:09:25 pm »
Ks, please send me the specific page and manual or the  Figure number and Title and I'll try looking it up in the arkives
for you

to sandia24, what is the estimate pules rate in pulse per second in the video clip from SM  81-3 file?
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