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Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #64 on: May 14, 2018, 23:11:18 pm »
According to the video at the start of this thread, we don't want the secondary to be invisible to the primary.  But does this mean we can't use my diode T-tap in the circuit, to pump the thermal electrons?

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Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #65 on: May 15, 2018, 05:46:43 am »
when meyer talk about inducing resonance in the molecule for me it kind of mean that the molecule

1 will have a change in the electron configuration for a moment increasing the energy level H2O

and

2 the atoms at higher energy level will rearrange to a stable form like H2 and O2

notice that therefore we need to form actualy 2H2 and 1O2 molecules

if we consider the area of the plate and the size of water molecules is possible to estimate the number of molecules that will be in direct  contact with it and thus estimate the required pulse configuration.

whenever we raise the voltage over onevolt or so current start flowing unless its very pure water...  this mean that the ionized molecules in the double layer pass thru the layer and get discharged.. meyer clearly stated we dont want that

the only way to make it is to use a material that is not capable of conducting current or if we can saturate the current  i believe meyer did both ways

to actually release the hydrogen from oxygen we need anyway a holdon voltage to not allow for recombination...

when the water molecules electronic configuration get momentarily disrupted i believe there will be a kind of short like effect but here current will not flow to separate the atoms because atoms here are neutral and this is what meyer talk about using voltage potential without consuming energy

imagine for example a water molecule breaks near the positive electrode and that  the hydrogen atoms wont be ionized  will they go toward the negative electrode ?
a neutral molecule can also be polarized
that said is clear that any neutral molecule is going to be attracted to the nearest electrode by electronic polarization!
 
so both electrodes will have free hydrogen atoms and oxygen atoms near it when we get it to resonance

if there is a direct current going there is going to be more oxygen near the positive and more hydrogen near the negative but again the same as before explained 










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Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #66 on: May 15, 2018, 06:32:39 am »
well how can we arrange all this ?

meyer left his traces

1 there is a dc voltage or pulses applied to get the molecules aligned 

2 there is a pulse reversal to induce the resonance on the water molecule

3 when the pulses hits again at a frequency where it make the water resonance increase the energy level the molecule falls  apart

4 when this happens a sort of  low resistance state could happen so pulse is turned of for a bit (gate)

so the resonance is a frequency that is one multiple of one of the vibrational frequencies of water a specific number in theory and just an approximation in real life

the resonant circuit must be arranged to set up and maintain this tuned condition

hope this thoughts can help anyway

 in my mere opinion there are some hiden secrets on meyer system

one is the diode type

another is how  the capacitance of the coils add up with the secondary colapse reversal thru the diode at a certain voltage

meyer impedance circuit show this capacitors in parallel with the coils this mean that when the sistem colapse the pulse sent to the water is the sum of this high voltage capacitors plus the secondary high voltage discharge

this voltage at this capacitances need to be high because when it get to the water it will be reduced too

is important that the resonant frequency of the coils are smaller than the frequency we want to use or just the same as  this will allow the most of power to go to water ... however this frequency must be tuned to the water frequency and this is a subharmonic of a very high frequency,...  the discharge time of the  pulse must be also a sub lengh of the wavelengh

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Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #67 on: May 15, 2018, 07:04:32 am »
is impressive how clear i can look at it now! i kind of im sure if i could take some time over it we could get it to work ... meyer told the true for us but we missed some knowledge and patience to look at it with kiss method...

i believe the diode is one of the main secrets ever in this technology and the best way i could try to use it is somehow if you know how many transistors i burned in the past and how i solved the problem of burning them you know what diode i talk about

well what i can tell is that the power must go to the water and not get dissipated on the primary side never now i can clearly see that this is one of  what i was doing very wrong .. unfortunately lack money is what lead me to this situation... because i could not let more transistors burn.. hahaa well lets direct the power elsewhere in the circuit

i believe duty cycle can and should be increase to make it easier to get the system going

draw this ckt

isolated battery
primary connected to positive  of  it and to a mosfet drain... source connected to battery negative
secondary connected also to the positive dc that is going to the primary ,  after the diode the choke is connected .. having a capacitor in parallel if needed (HV one)  than connected to the cell anode
the choke allow the cell  to charge while the choke capacitance is charged
at the cell cathode the other choke is connected and it goes to the drain of the mosfet too!

this make the primary sum up with secondary during discharge and it also create a shorter wave thru the line because it being a step up the primary will have lower inductance thus higher speed in discharge its inductive power...

the coil resistance or and a series variable resistor control the current charge in water and it can have a diode in parallel with it to protect from the power pulse

consider how kelly slater surf pool work

if everything is isolated from ground and the output gas is positive than there is going to be a negative potential on the system (free electrons that can be used with a real ground)

so the ecc circuit now can do its work


 



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Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #68 on: May 15, 2018, 07:18:54 am »
conclusion the chokes plus the secondary form a pulse forming network system that charges thru and discharges all the energy on the water later, the diode is key to let the secondary become part of it also on the discharge time..

the charging will align the molecules and polarize them electronically, the discharging will induce the resonance in the molecule

the circuit is tuned to a certain water resonant frequency . the pulses are interrupted or gated when the system reach resonance of the molecule to allow the molecule to rearrange ..

when a gas go out with positive polarity and the cell remain negative it will become an electron source reversely it become a sync it can be whatever depending on how the system of discharge is designed... 

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Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #69 on: May 15, 2018, 08:23:22 am »
is impressive how clear i can look at it now! i kind of im sure if i could take some time over it we could get it to work ... meyer told the true for us but we missed some knowledge and patience to look at it with kiss method...

i believe the diode is one of the main secrets ever in this technology and the best way i could try to use it is somehow if you know how many transistors i burned in the past and how i solved the problem of burning them you know what diode i talk about

well what i can tell is that the power must go to the water and not get dissipated on the primary side never now i can clearly see that this is one of  what i was doing very wrong .. unfortunately lack money is what lead me to this situation... because i could not let more transistors burn.. hahaa well lets direct the power elsewhere in the circuit

i believe duty cycle can and should be increase to make it easier to get the system going

draw this ckt

isolated battery
primary connected to it and to a mosfet drain... source connected to battery negative
secondary connected to the positive dc going to the primary too but thru a diode

after the diode the choke is connected .. having a capacitor in parallel if needed (HV one)  than connected to the cell
the choke allow the cell  to charge while the choke capacitance is charged

on the other side of the cell the other choke is connected and it goes to the drain too!

if everything is isolated from ground and the output gas is positive than there is going to be a negative potential on the system (free electrons that can be used with a real ground)

so the ecc circuit now can do its work


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Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #70 on: May 15, 2018, 08:24:24 am »
conclusion the chokes plus the secondary form a pulse forming network system that charges thru and discharges all the energy on the water later, the diode is key to let the secondary become part of it also on the discharge time..

the charging will align the molecules and polarize them electronically, the discharging will induce the resonance in the molecule

the circuit is tuned to a certain water resonant frequency . the pulses are interrupted or gated when the system reach resonance of the molecule to allow the molecule to rearrange ..

when a gas go out with positive polarity and the cell remain negative it will become an electron source reversely it become a sync it can be whatever depending on how the system of discharge is designed...

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Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #71 on: May 15, 2018, 08:30:00 am »
i have updated that post a little hardcrome explaining better that part

it gets better

i was thinking also about another thing now, if we get salt water or water with free H+ atoms like having potassium or sodium hydroxide in it.. we could benefit of it because it would easily allow the formation of a hydrogen molecule missing one electron readily  i mean a hydrogen molecule sharing one single electron +H2 as soon as the water molecule is break apart this could help fighting against recombination... there may be a optimal concentration for the size of the cell..

here is the ckt i described
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3221.0;attach=15309)

here is the waveform
the charging at every pulse and the reverse pulse all there.. during pulse off time the coil take over maintaining the current until next pulse come..and when gate is cutting it vanish


(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3221.0;attach=15311)
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