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Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #176 on: December 04, 2018, 21:49:44 pm »
Timeshell, how it is supposed to measure the resonance? From what I  saw from Ronnie, when we "supposed" hit the resonance current is at the maximum and only left is the wire resistance and the water bath resistivity (re).

My experiments showed me that when we wind it bifilar, with some sort of resin beween layers, at a certain frequency / condition, Voltage across each inductor reach high voltage and current rises higher than the secondary winding can reach when shorted.

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Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #177 on: December 04, 2018, 22:42:03 pm »
This is where you need to have an understanding of resonant circuits, in particular LC circuits.  When an LC circuit is at its resonant frequency it will perform an action based on the configuration of the L (inductor) and C (capacitor).  It could either block that frequency, or only allow that frequency.  In the case of the VIC, all current is blocked at resonance by the chokes if the chokes are perfectly tuned to do so.  But they are not supposed to be perfectly tuned to block all current.  They need to be tuned to allow just enough current so that enough electrolysis can happen to empty the gap between the WFC plates/tubes of water.

This requires a very specific design of the coils so that the coils inductance is matched to the variable range of capacitance (based on dielectric value between air and water) of the WFC for the frequency range of the pulsing to be used.  And of course, the coils fields need to be opposing each other properly so that they resist each others current flow rather than assist it.  If necessary, resistors can also be added to correct any errors in the frequency just as in any other resonant circuit.  But of course, this can lead to losses of power as heat and should only be used only if necessary.

Coils don't need to be bifilar, but do need to be coupled correctly.

It is very useful to create a spreadsheet with the power equations to visualize how all this works.

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Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #178 on: December 04, 2018, 23:13:52 pm »
Let me see if I understand what you are saying:
Coils shares the same core (mutual inductance),  but they are opposing each other (L1 + L2 -2M ).
So, according to my (little) knowledge, the two coils act as a single coil in series with the "capacitor"?


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Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #179 on: December 05, 2018, 01:00:10 am »
Let me see if I understand what you are saying:
Coils shares the same core (mutual inductance),  but they are opposing each other (L1 + L2 -2M ).
So, according to my (little) knowledge, the two coils act as a single coil in series with the "capacitor"?

What you are saying essentially sounds correct if you mean the chokes effect on the WFC.  My setup, like Ronnie's, didn't use a single core like Stan's did.   Our set up, which admittedly seems a little weird to me, actually had the primary coupled with one choke on one core and the secondary coupled to the other choke on another core.  The net effect was the same however as the coils were oriented so that the collapsing fields opposed their neighboring coils (choke to secondary to choke) and had the effect of limiting the current.




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Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #180 on: December 05, 2018, 03:34:25 am »
well so far nothing new bro it just seem like the old games Ronnie  used to play around... i dont mean to disrespect in any way but i´m into lot of good stuff and dont really want to lose time with puzzles... At that time Ronnie inspired some of us spend a lot of money on this 11 cell story and after all i felt like was left a side perhaps because i asked questions that he could not answer...

so if you have it working say clearly or say clearly that you dont have it... after that we can talk about infinite perhaps and hopefully get there together... i dont think playing games would help any way

if you take a look at my thread Retry 1001  there is some directions i created on how to match the impedance of the vic to the cell to force all the energy into water if i can say something... i have a good feelling about that..

nothing complicated.. i just think there must be a coil in parallel with the cell to be able to use all the vic energy.. 

if you want to take a look there it is http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,3226.0.html

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« Reply #181 on: December 05, 2018, 03:49:52 am »
Fabio, I'm not playing games.  I know how it works.  I have been watching a lot of ridiculous theories over the last few years.  But my own experimenting over the years supports the information that Ronnie has been providing before I met Ronnie.   My discoveries started when I first spoke to you 10 years ago.  And I have videos to prove my own experiments.

I'm offering clear information on my own results, but I'm not playing games either.  I'm not here for attention but to be helpful.  You haven't seen me here for a few years now and it's not because I didn't know these things a few years ago.

I will answer questions and provide guidance to those who want to know.  And quite frankly, I challenge everyone here to dispute with evidence anything I have offered against what Stan has taught in his videos and is written in his patents.  The fact of the matter really is, and I can see why it appears this way, that the only reason it looks like games to people is:
1.  They are looking for some of the work to be done for them
2.  They don't really understand what they are looking for in the first place

I don't say this to be offensive, but like you and everyone else, I got frustrated trying to find the final pieces of the puzzle.  Ronnie didn't even directly tell me what they were but helped me to discover them.  You cannot get this to work if you can't grasp the way it's supposed to work and the steps the VIC goes through to get there.

Like I said a couple days ago, I'm not going to get into an argument over this.  I am just as happy to disappear from this discussion if nobody really wants to know.
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Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #182 on: December 05, 2018, 04:13:44 am »
I just want to let the situation be as clear as possible.. we all are here some since over 13 years now and ever since wanting to know...

people is not guilty of have not being so shine to figure for them selfs..

but be sure most here spend their money and time to try build it from their heart

i even went to the university to try learn more and be of more help and the result was a big dont work

i guess we even talk on skype few years ago =D

so i dont know what you expect from us but be sure if you give us something good we have not a sigle reason to not be forever thankfull to you

i dont expect getting all the work done and what i look for in this last years is a manner to improove our life reducing the demand for dirty energy...

i´m being as cristal as i can everytime i have something to say perhaps tomorow i dont have this chance again.. so after so much time lost i´m tired of puzzles and games to make and to play... i wrote more than 3000 posts so far is a lot of junk to digest

there is not a single reason to keep any knowledge for yourself

so please just show what you think you have, hopefully you indeed have something to share..

this is my feeling about ronnie perhaps he even found something but the fear prevented him to make the next step and find out if he found something meaningfull or something that most already did...

thats why i forgot about gaming with our co-workers...  is more usefull to only waste time to write usefull info instead of puzzles... questioning is aways good but if no one know the answer is a endless game with no winner...

hope you found something for real

we need this since a long ago


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Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #183 on: December 05, 2018, 04:22:56 am »
Fabio, I really feel your frustration for you and everyone else here.  Honestly, I don't know what else to tell you.  Stan has given the schematics for the VIC minus the inductance and capacitance values.  And rightly so because they will change based on the WFC being used.  All that is left is, what do you do with it.  And I have given you all the information you already need to know to do so.  As has Ronnie.

Make a spreadsheet in Excel or LibreOffice Sheets.

Make a section for each coil (primary, secondary, choke1, choke2)
Make a section for the WFC

Calculate the fequencies, voltages, resistances, impedances and reactances for each of these based on min and max values and sizes

Design your WFC and VIC coils in the Stan Meyer style with these parameters in mind.

This is almost ALL the information you need along with what I have already told you.