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Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #120 on: June 20, 2018, 23:59:48 pm »
is nice to see the way people try to explain

i could not understand what he meant however

unfortunately this is not the science language so is kind of hard to get what he meant for sure... is like reading about the color of a giraffe or zebra...

the 300ns pulse is one good point... and is what is the timescales i´m working on!

this is the timescales where water will behave as capacitor (being the water pure!)


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Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #121 on: June 21, 2018, 16:33:08 pm »
Like 10 years ago, somebody who was very good in this Meyer technology said: Steve, you need to go higher in voltage when you pulse a coil.
More then 100v.
He also said that the system would create electricity and that the hho gas was more like a by product....

Now we are trying to setup a bemf system with an eec circuit, i more and more understand it.


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Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #122 on: June 22, 2018, 05:24:52 am »
the only way of doing this i think may be generating the potential from inside !

this way the h2 o2 will be a consequence!

i once tried to create a project that should work with MHD i dont know if you remember... this is a way to directly induce the power into water and get the amps out of it but i didnt completed it because it required more money and i remained with none...

the idea is to use magnets and make the water to pass thru them having electrodes to collect the electricity

i think wave energy could do this job too if we could place in there, the plates must be above one volt to discharge .

there are some ways to generate electromagnetic fields! when we change an electric field, or a magnetic field a electromagnetic field is generated for example

there are microwaves etc

i think if we wanted to use microwaves it would require some special cell to act as resonant cavity for the frequency

i believe we should use a frequency that would not heat the water much.. so the water can be tranparent to it

is there any company who design microwaves for industry that we could get some help from?

maybe ask hey how i can get a microwave thru water and capture the electric field and direct to a load?

i believe its pretty much what they do on that ´paper i posted but they dont show anything



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Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #124 on: June 22, 2018, 09:41:18 am »
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As your voltage source moves past zero deg. it has 0 volts of output. However, the voltage is increasing quickly. So, the electric field strength in the dielectric of the cap is changing quickly, and as the field get's stronger, it pushes more electrons out fo the positive side plate (due to increasing electric force on them created by the field). It's important here to realize that a cap is an open circuit essentially, just a specially shaped one. Therefore, current does not flow through a capacitor (ideal one here, we can talk about effect of leakage later if you like), but rather to or from one plate or the other. This causes an electric field to build in the dielectric which affects the free electrons on the other plate via electric force. To explain all that physics, we need to get into Guass' law, etc. so I won't do that here. Each plate is a relatively large chunk of conductive metal, so lots of free electrons exist in it. Many many more than are involved in a reasonable level of current flow. So, the voltage difference between plates, generated by your source will push free electrons from the negative side of the source onto the plate it's connected to. This builds an electric field within the dielectric of the cap such that electrons are pushed by the electric force out of the opposite plate. The circuit carries them back to the positive leg of your source. As more and more charge is pushed into the negative plate, the field grows stronger and more electrons are pushed off the other plate. However, since the rate of change of voltage is slowing as we reach max voltage (at 90 deg), our field strength is still increasing, but more slowly all the time. For that reason, fewer and fewer electrons are pushed off the positive plate per unit time (so current flow is getting smaller). At the point of max voltage, the rate of voltage change is zero, so there are zero more electrons being pushed off that positive plate. At that point the voltage begins to fall ,and the field weakens. This allows some of the pushed out electrons from the positive plate to come back into it. As the voltage rate of change accelerates and the voltage itself falls back toward zero volts, the rate at which electrons return to the positive plate accelerates (current rises). When the voltage is at zero, it's changing at it's max rate, so you have max current flow in the circuit (electrons are coming back to the plate as fast as they ever will for this circuit). The other half of the waveform (negative lobe of the voltage sinusoid) is the same, but switch the plates I'm calling negative and positive since voltage reverses at this point (current doesn't of course, it reversed at the 90 deg point, and will again at 270).

I suppose it could be written up more elegantly, but do you get my meaning here. Can you picture the effect of the field within the cap's dielectric and it's relationship to to electrons flowing out of or into the plates? (positive and negative voltages are not really that, they just indicate that they are associated with current vectors of opposite direction)

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Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #125 on: June 22, 2018, 10:42:42 am »
i know the gauss law and etc.. but i could not understand exactly what you mean?.. when we add dielectric between the plates we decrease the attraction between the electrons and their respective positive charges on the other electrode.. this allow more electrons with a lower potential..

your talking about that bemf of the cell? when we switch the pulse off? when the cell is conductive?

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« Reply #126 on: June 22, 2018, 16:10:00 pm »
i just remember about parametric change... this is another way to amplify power... for example we charge the capacitor and after the capacitance is charged it change to a lower value somehow.. this would increase the voltage and such as the energy into it! this would allow for having power amplification!!!
 
i was thinking about those amps meyer talks coming from the ecc

i´m not that sure if he was generating power or if he was compressing it..

after all i started to think about what if he was just talking about peak amps of the pulse forming system discharge? and not average 100amps... could it be possible?

anyway this would create serious ionization if used right!




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Re: 6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
« Reply #127 on: June 22, 2018, 16:10:47 pm »
i´m having a feeling that i should stop what i´m doing and just test the things ...