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Complete beginner queston......
« on: January 27, 2012, 19:41:43 pm »
Hello All....

As a COMPLETE novice about to embark on constructing a WFC...... I have been reading the relevant material about S Meyer and WFC's. I get the physics and I am comfortable with the engineer side (Working with stainless steel, assembly, tuning etc) but my stumbling block is the electonic circuit/s used. Do I have to use the S Meyer/ D Lawton circuits or will a commercially made frequency/signal generator work? I have seen them used in various uploads but I do not want to purchase one based solely on my limited (non existent Knowledge) The cost of buying one is not a limiting factor to me at the moment.

Any help you Guys can give would be gratefully recieved.

My apologies in advance if this has been covered on numerous occasions

Enyaw

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Re: Complete beginner queston......
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2012, 21:50:25 pm »
Welcome,

First things first. Stan Meyer did not produce large amounts of gas by simply pulsing a frequency across the wfc. His work in producing large amounts of gas efficiently was based on complex circuitry and a great deal of knowledge.

Most of this forums users (myself included) have been working on understanding and replicating Meyer's work for a few years with no successful replications. We are getting close though.
 
Don't want to put your hopes down, just remember if it was simple, we would all have water powered cars.
Best place to start is the 8XA circuit.

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Re: Complete beginner queston......
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2012, 22:23:49 pm »
you could get a $120 signal/function generator and use that instead of Stans frequency generator, the use it to pulse your power electronics and then your coils

have you read all the patents yet?  its easy to spend hundreds without a clear goal...
i would also say start with 8xa, or rather start with much study

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Re: Complete beginner queston......
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2012, 23:15:53 pm »
you could get a $120 signal/function generator and use that instead of Stans frequency generator, the use it to pulse your power electronics and then your coils

have you read all the patents yet?  its easy to spend hundreds without a clear goal...
i would also say start with 8xa, or rather start with much study

Thanks for the replies guys, much appreciated.

I know this is a very difficult realm of investigation, but before embarking I want to ensure that I can reproduce and measure all variables consistently and with confidence. So for me a professionally made, purpose built piece of equipment will be needed to achieve this (I know where my limitations lie) I have seen the Courtiestown Kits and Pre-assembled reproductions of D Lawtons PWM and PLL etc and after looking at the comercially avialable models the the extra cash spent now may be more cost effective long term.

I would really appreciate if you could venture your opinion on what i was looking at:

Output parameters   
Period range  100ns to 10s (10MHz to 0.1Hz)
Period jitter  <0.1%
Pulse width range  50ns to 5s
Pulse width jitter  <0.1%
Delay range  50ns to 5s
Operation modes Run Continuous generation 0.1Hz to 10MHz
 Triggered DC to 10MHz triggered pulse train
 Gated 0.1Hz to 10MHz set pulse train
Pulse modes Normal 1 pulse/period
 Squarewave 0.1Hz to 10MHz with mark/space ratio 1:1
 Double pulse 2nd pulse generated according to delay control
 Delayed pulse Pulse generated according to delay control
Outputs   
50Ω output Amplitude 0.1–1V or 1–10V switchable
 Rise/fall time 10ns typ.
Aux output  50Ω output at TTL/CMOS level
Sync output Amplitude Positive going pulse at TTL/CMOS level
 Timing Leading edge starts >20ns before output transition
 Duration 30ns typ.
Complement switch  Inverts AUX and 50Ω outputs
Inputs   
Gate/trig input Frequency range DC – 10MHz
 Signal range TTl threshold: max. input ±10V
 Min. pulse width >30ns
 Input impedance 10kΩ typ.
General   
AC Input  115 or 230V AC 50/60Hz
Dimensions L x W x H (mm)  230 x 220 x 140
Weight (kg)  1.6
Operating temperature  +5°C to +40°C @20-80% RH
Storage temperature  -40°C to +70°C

Will this do the job???
 
Im looking at this as a long term project and hope to be working and sharing with all the members here.
 

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spoke with steve meyer recently
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2012, 02:51:19 am »
the VIC coil used with the submerged tubeset is tuned to the length of the tube, its a waveguide of sorts, as well as tracking the resonant frequency of the choke coils when varying amounts of gasses are produced from the submerged tube. each of the tubesets has its own vic coil. the water capacitor, the variable resonance, the tracking components, the gated signal that allows the hydrogen to pair up with opposite spin into diatomic hydrogen, allowing release of gasses, the scanning circuit that constantly tracks and locks the correct frequency based on the lowest possible current and highest possible voltage for a given primary voltage and secondary voltage, the blocking diode that prevents an ac sine wave to be reflected from the secondary into the chokes...all  of this is a tuned, complete system. According to Steve Meyer, ( i spoke with him on the phone last week) you cannot separate any of the components from the complete system to test functionality because they all work together as a whole.. by the way he said that his circuits have a copyright for 75 years... and that people have stolen things from off of his desk when his back was turned..such as a video tape...etc.
He said that my idea to release the technology anonymously to the world once we figure it out was a disservice to the families of those who worked so hard for so long and invested so much time and money into the project...I replied that unless we forward the whole system in its final form to thousands of people at once, the oil cartels will continue to step on the neck of anyone who tries to corner the market for profit...this technology MUST be open sourced or we will never have energy independence!!! 8)... it was an honor to speak with him, he's about 79 years old now..a very gracious man on the phone.
BTW he says that it only takes 11 volts to remove an electron from a hydrogen........

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Re: spoke with steve meyer recently
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2012, 03:38:12 am »
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He said that my idea to release the technology anonymously to the world once we figure it out was a disservice to the families of those who worked so hard for so long and invested so much time and money into the project...I replied that unless we forward the whole system in its final form to thousands of people at once, the oil cartels will continue to step on the neck of anyone who tries to corner the market for profit...this technology MUST be open sourced or we will never have energy independence!!! 8)... it was an honor to speak with him, he's about 79 years old now..a very gracious man on the phone.
BTW he says that it only takes 11 volts to remove an electron from a hydrogen........

am observing the development of the " war " (false flag?) on iran and the oil embargo/restrictions being in place by this july.
doesnt take much of a oil price rise for that to seep right through the economy, from transport to food.........
hence I agree with the idea of open source...

what is the price to pay to all people who have in any form have worked on the idea so that it comes about to a practically applied use.?
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Re: Complete beginner queston......
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2012, 04:26:11 am »
did you call his house or his office

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Re: Complete beginner queston......
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2012, 04:43:36 am »
Patents protect the function and process, copyrights protect the design layout...many, if not all, of Stan's patents have expired. There are many ways of getting around these copyrights. If you just change one aspect of the system, then you aren't violating the copyrights ;-)