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Re: Voltage does Work!!! And Here is why!!
« Reply #40 on: January 24, 2011, 21:50:54 pm »

Dynodon, Take a look at the 1° video of the NewZealand house meeting... You pay attention when arrives at 28min30sec   "Electrically Intensified"


Take a look at his drawings, and keep in your mind the question "why isolated ground"?

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Re: Voltage does Work!!! And Here is why!!
« Reply #41 on: January 24, 2011, 22:04:23 pm »

All you said is also correct except that the process of using voltage to pull apart the molecule include the need for an isolated ground and thus suggest automatically that when he mention water bath he includes all the water molecules, And Polarization mean imbalance of electrons. If stan called it electrical polarization process is because is exactly what it do. It do has to do with extracting electrons from the water bath you read that many times in the patents...


I'm pretty sure about what i'm talking about!


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Re: Voltage does Work!!! And Here is why!!
« Reply #42 on: January 24, 2011, 22:08:09 pm »
In the isolated water bath, the water molecule takes on charge, and the charge increases. The object of the process is to switch off the co-valent bonding of the water molecule and interrupt the sub-atomic force, i.e. the electrical force or electromagnetic force, that binds the hydrogen and oxygen atoms to form a molecule so that the hydrogen and oxygen separate.
[/size]Because an electron will only occupy a certain electron shell (the shells are well known) the voltage applied to the capacitor affects the electrical forces inherent in the co-valent bond. As a result of the charge applied by the plates, the applied force becomes greater than the force of the co-valent bonds between the atom of the water molecule; and the water molecule becomes elongated. When this happens, the time share ratio of the electrons between the atoms and the electron shells is modified.
[/size]In the process, electrons are extracted from the water bath; electrons are not consumed nor are electrons introduced into the water bath by the circuit as electrons are conventionally introduced in an electrolysis process. There may nevertheless occur a leakage current through the water. Those hydrogen atoms missing electrons become neutralized; and atoms are liberated from the water. The charged atoms and electrons are attracted to opposite polarity voltage zones created between the capacitor plates. The electrons formerly shared by atoms in the water co-valent bond are re-allocated such that neutral elemental gases are liberated.
[/size]In the process, the electrical resonance may be reached at all levels of voltage potential. The overall circuit is characterized as a "resonant charging choke" circuit which is an inductor in series with a capacitor that produces a resonant circuit. [SAMS Modern Dictionary of Electronics, Rudolff Garff, .COPYRGT. 1984, Howard W. Sams & Co. (Indianapolis, Ind.), page 859.]Such a resonant charging choke is on each side of the capacitor. In the circuit, the diode acts as a switch that allows the magnetic field produced in the inductor to collapse, thereby doubling the pulse frequency and preventing the capacitor from discharging. In this manner a continuous voltage is produced across the capacitor plates in the water bath; and the capacitor does not discharge. The water molecules are thus subjected to a continuously charged field until the breakdown of the co-valent bond occurs.
[/size]As noted initially, the capacitance depends on the dielectric properties of the water and the size and separation of the conductive elements forming the water capacitor.
[/size]EXAMPLE I
[/size]In an example of the circuit of FIG. 1 (in which other circuit element specifications are provided above), two concentric cylinders 4 inches long formed the water capacitor of the fuel cell in the volume of water. The outside cylinder was 0.75 inch in outside diameter; the inner cylinder was 0.5 inch in outside diameter. Spacing from the outside of the inner cylinder to the inner surface of the outside cylinder was 0.0625 inch. Reasonance in the circuit was achieved at a 26 volt applied pulse to the primary coil of the torroid at 0KH.sub.z, and the water molecules disassociated into elemental hydrogen and oxygen and the gas released from the fuel cell comprised a mixture of hydrogen, oxygen from the water molecule, and gases formerly dissolved in the water such as the atmospheric gases or oxygen, nitrogen, and argon.
[/size]In achieving resonance in any circuit, as the pulse frequency is adjusted, the flow of amps is minimized and voltage is maximized to a peak. Calculation of the resonance frequency of an overall circuit is determined by known means; different cavities have a different frequencY of resonance dependent on parameters of the water dielectric, plate size, configuration and distance, circuit inductors, and the like. Control of the production of fuel gas is determined by variation of the period of time between a train of pulses, pulse amplitude and capacitor plate size and configuration, with corresponding value adjustments to other circuit components.
[/size]The wiper arm on the second inductor tunes the circuit and accommodates to contaminants in water so that the charge is always applied to the capacitor. The voltage applied determines the rate of breakdown of the molecule into its atomic components. As water in the cell is consumed, it is replaced by any appropriate means or control system.
[/size]Variations of the process and apparatus may be evident to those skilled in the art.


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Re: Voltage does Work!!! And Here is why!!
« Reply #43 on: January 24, 2011, 22:20:37 pm »
my question might not be entirely relevant for this particular thread, in watching various meyer videos and texts in the last few days comes a question:

As meyer appears to be shifting the oxygen to its 4th state to acquire the use of a higher energy, then is it possible to manufacture an air gas processor (and eec) to fit within the air intake of a standard vehicle to increase the power level - which could theoretically help with lowering fuel consumption by requiring less fuel for the same energy used.....?

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Re: Voltage does Work!!! And Here is why!!
« Reply #44 on: January 24, 2011, 22:33:06 pm »
the references you gave are from his early patent,but it still doesn't say that he was removing electrons from the water to get it to seperate.Electrons are set free from the seperation of the water molecule.The electrons your saying are extracted, are the two electrons that hold the hydrogen molecule to the oxygen.In order to get those electrons you first have to seperate the water molecule to get to those electrons.So if your extarcting electrons,they are there because you seperated the water molecule.Not the other way around.Where do you think those electrons are coming from,if their not coming from the water molecule?Are there just free electrons floating in the water bath?If your isolated ground is there and your not pulling any in,than where do they come from?
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Re: Voltage does Work!!! And Here is why!!
« Reply #45 on: January 24, 2011, 22:51:39 pm »

You agree with me that water conducts even if it is very pure. This means that there are free electrons there. Yet water is a dielectric and as a dielectric it can take on a charge. This is the charge stan is talking about. Stan charge the bath and discharge thru an arc maybe Sequentially to be able to leave on the water a very high positive charge. The electrode it self will miss electrons and therefore a field area is formed.


When the charge in the water is greater than the electrical forces the water will split apart by it self.


The electrons that flow because of electrolysis are not related. Well actually they are but is not about them that i'm talking about...


You must think about water like an acrylic rod that you can rub and it get a charge. 


I think that stan took advantage of the prof. Van de Graf findings about the fact that no charge exist inside a conductor, thus if you apply the charge inside the conductor you can theoretically keep adding charge indefinitely. This is what i'm talking about when i say the thing related to the capacitance inside the capacitance.. .


So basically, yes there are electrons in the water bath so you can charge the water by applying a single wire with high voltage up to a certain degree as described earlier. There are also electrons in the electrodes and being able to extract some of those electrons would be good too. With the vic you can create max possible voltage possible the basic requisite for the electron extraction, so doing this sequentially you can create a very high charge on the water.




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Re: Voltage does Work!!! And Here is why!!
« Reply #46 on: January 24, 2011, 23:45:51 pm »
There are not free electrons in water, it is the ions in the water that carry the current...  From the Wiki...

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Electrolysis is the passage of a direct electric current through an ionic substance that is either molten or dissolved in a suitable solvent, resulting in chemical reactions at the electrodes and separation of materials.
The main components required to achieve electrolysis are :
 
  • An electrolyte : a substance containing free ions which are the carriers of electric current in the electrolyte. If the ions are not mobile, as in a solid salt then electrolysis cannot occur.
  • A direct current (DC) supply : provides the energy necessary to create or discharge the ions in the electrolyte. Electric current is carried by electrons in the external circuit.
  • Two electrodes : an electrical conductor which provides the physical interface between the electrical circuit providing the energy and the electrolyte
  • Electrodes of metal, graphite and semiconductor material are widely used. Choice of suitable electrode depends on chemical reactivity between the electrode and electrolyte and the cost of manufacture.

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    Re: Voltage does Work!!! And Here is why!!
    « Reply #47 on: January 24, 2011, 23:54:44 pm »

    When a charge is applied to a capacitor, the electrical charge of the capacitor equals the applied voltage charge; in a water capacitor, the dielectric property of water resists the flow of amps in the circuit, and the water molecule itself, because it has polarity fields formed by the relationship of hydrogen and oxygen in the covalent bond, and an intrinsic dielectric property, becomes part of the electrical circuit, analogous to a "microcapacitor" within the capacitor defined by the plates.
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    [/size]In the isolated water bath, the water molecule takes on charge, and the charge increases. The object of the process is to switch off the co-valent bonding of the water molecule and interrupt the sub-atomic force, i.e. the electrical force or electromagnetic force, that binds the hydrogen and oxygen atoms to form a molecule so that the hydrogen and oxygen separate.
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    [/size]By being so subjected to electrical pulses in the circuit of FIG. 1, water confined in the volume that includes the capacitor plates takes on an electrical charge that is increased by a step charging phenomenon occurring in the water capacitor. Voltage continually increases (to about 1000 volts and more) and the water molecule starts to elongate.
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    [/size]In the process, electrons are extracted from the water bath; electrons are not consumed nor are electrons introduced into the water bath by the circuit as electrons are conventionally introduced in an electrolysis process
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    [/size]Now i ask you:
    [/size]Is he or isn't he talking about the charge on the water inside the volume?