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Re: Air Ionizers Analogy - Strikingly Similar!
« Reply #40 on: February 28, 2010, 21:43:38 pm »
Guess I'm just a little frustrated.
Just have to jump in and start some HV experiments, put something together.

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Re: Air Ionizers Analogy - Strikingly Similar!
« Reply #41 on: March 04, 2010, 03:38:19 am »
OK, a friend and I were talking and he showed me a really nice video that I would like to show all of you.

A description from the sale @ eBay

The coil has three output methods:

Capacitive coupling - this is where the plasma is created between the two plates

Surface Tracking - this is where the coil has glass elements attached with metal edges and the high voltage sparks from in inner to the outer rim.

Straight output - this is where the two sides of the coil spark to one another in a raw display of high voltage power

The specs are:

15 kv 30 ma neon sign transformer

Plastic capacitors 40kv .01 mf capacitor

Adjustable parallel bar spark gap

Squirrel cage type blower for spark gap quenching

This coil is interesting and fun to experiment with. Suitable for use in the classroom, physics labratory, even in your livingroom if not for extended periods. (as it creates ozone, which isn't good to breathe in heavy concentrations)

Makes an awesome conversation piece. I've had it in my den for some time, and it never fails to get the "What the heck is that thing?" questions. Which of course provides a good opprotunity to fire it up.

Desperate times call for desperate measures so I'm putting her on the market.

Any flaws that you see in the pics (dust/wood chips/ect) will be fixed before she ships out.

Thanks for looking.

See my other items for other tesla coil parts

I love this video!

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Re: Air Ionizers Analogy - Strikingly Similar!
« Reply #42 on: March 04, 2010, 05:27:25 am »
Hey Bubs, great video, I was actually thinking about tesla coils today and looking into a few things.

I am working on a thought that the VIC is two tesla coils in one. One of the tesla coils is the primary, secondary, and positive choke and positive plate. The second tesla coil is the negative plate, the negative choke, and it's isolated ground. The first tesla coil works independently with the primary and secondary, which then injects it's stepped up voltage into the positive choke, which can be thought of as a continuation of the secondary, the negative choke is exactly tuned to the positive choke and coupled 1:1 to create the equal and opposite negative signal that the positive choke has. The plates you can think of as the "top load" with water in between them instead of air.

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Re: Air Ionizers Analogy - Strikingly Similar!
« Reply #43 on: March 05, 2010, 01:23:55 am »
I believe the air ionizer does the same thing as the water gas process.

Water Gas is when you pass steam over hot red coal, Something ionizes "I Forget" and a synthetic Gas is made., But stan describes a ("Synthetic") Gas being applied to his intake,, Which is what you get

There results a new synthetic gas. The synthetic gas formation stage also volume meters and determines the proper gas-mixing ratio for establishing the desired burn-rate of hydrogen gas. The rotational mechanical gas displacement system in that process determines the volume-amount of synthetic gas to be produced.

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Re: Air Ionizers Analogy - Strikingly Similar!
« Reply #44 on: March 05, 2010, 02:51:57 am »
Donald, you and I think a lot alike. I too pondered your very idea and still do. The Tesla Coil and the VIC are not quite the same, although, you bring up a very good point and it should be researched a little deeper. In the book "Secrets of Cold War Technology" by Gerry Vassilatos, He explains a bit about what we see a Tesla Coil as today and really how Tesla used his coils. When you see a TC sparking and stuff, that version of it is made famous by Sir Oliver Lodge. He sort of reinvented the TC with AC instead of DC and called it a Tesla Coil. the TC was not intended to do such things. It was only one of many for a wireless power network. Tesla describes his process as the opposite of radio, where he used virtually no EM energy on the top side of the coil. most of the energy was utilized through the earth. Stiffler and Meyl have a ton of useful information if any of you haven't read their material or replicated their work.


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Re: Air Ionizers Analogy - Strikingly Similar!
« Reply #45 on: March 05, 2010, 03:31:44 am »
                    Joseph John Misiolek

 Note:   Accompanying diagrams (Fig_A.GIF thru Fig_D.GIF)
         are saved in 640*350 resolution w/16 colors.


Before we  begin,  for those of you new to the art, a translator is a device
which can 'convert'  EM  energy  into SCALAR or vice versa.

When coverting EM energy to SCALAR, what you are  actually doing is attempting
to  create  a  subtructure in which the energy is folded in on itself in such a
way that it manifests no external net effects  in the manner in which our
current  test  equipment (single stage  interaction)  is  designed to detect,
but rather, maintains all  of  its energy  within  the  substructure  itself
(hyperspace), in other words, SCALAR WAVES.

These types   of   waves  are  quite  capable   of   penetrating conventional
forms   of   em  shielding  (Faraday  Cages)  while remaining quite invisible
to standard  (single  stage) detection methods.

They are  created  by deliberately opposing the E and/or B field components of
ordinary em waves.   Devices designed to encourage this type of wave formation
are called TRANSLATORS.

A translator which can only convert EM to scalar or scalar to EM is known  as
a  'one-way' device.  There are certain  types  of translators which  are
capable  of converting freely from EM to scalar and back.  These devices  are
known as 'two-way' devices. Lets take a closer look at some of the one-way

                     ONE-WAY TRANSLATORS

A one  way  translator  (EM-scalar)  is  extremely   simple   to construct.  In
fact, the typical home or apartment is literally FULL of these devices now!
Consider  the  common  two conductor lamp cord used on many lights, small
appliances, and radios.

This cord  is  commonly  referred   to as 'zip  cord'.   As  the current surges
through  the  first  wire,  the  second  wire is carrying the return current in
the  opposite direction.  The EM fields whirling about the conductors are in

Up until now, most of you were taught that the  fields, while in opposition,
'cancel'  each   other out.  Does this mean that the energy contained in those
fields is destroyed?  OF COURSE NOT!

We CANNOT destroy energy.  We  CAN  cause  it to change its form and this  is
precisely what happens when fields  in  opposition 'cancel' out.

As the  current  oscillates  through  the  wires, an oscillating SCALAR WAVE
results.  If a direct current is applied to the wire pair, a 'static' scalar EM
field results.

Wire Pair Translator:

Tests have  shown that the 'zip  cord'  described  above,  while conducting a
60 cycle alternating current, will  generate  a 120 cycle scalar em wave.

Here we  have  the  first  (and  perhaps the most basic) type of translating
device.   A single  conductor  folded  in  half  and parallel will produce a
scalar wave if it is fed  energy from an alternating current  source.   This
basic  translator is at the heart of the next device.

Non-Inductive (Bifilar) Translator:

Let us now take our simple translator and wind it into a helical shape.  We
have just created  what  is  commonly known as a non-inductive (bifilar) coil.
 Such  coils  are   copious  one-way emitters of these waves as well.

Unlike the   simple   translator   above   which   will  produce horizontally
or vertically polarized  scalar waves (depending on their orientation to the
ground plane), this type  of translator will produce circularly polarized
scalar waves.

A variation  of this type of translator is to wind the coil on a 45 degree
angle up and down the  length  of  the form creating a series of  90  degree
intersections  where the  windings  cross (caduceus coil).

These types  of  translators  (which  can also be wound at other angles to
facilitate the production  of  different  wave  types) tend to  create 'free'
A, 'free' B, or 'free'  E  fields   which have been  separated  from  the  em
source  wave  by  selective cancellation of the unwanted component fields of
the source wave.

Bucking Coil Translator:

Another type  of  translator   that  I  have  experimented  with consists of
two coils (air-core) arranged so  that  the  fields oppose or 'buck' against
one another.

All that  is  necessary  for  this  translator to produce scalar waves is an
alternating source  of  current with the coils wired so that the north and
south poles created by  the  coils  oppose each other.

The region  between the coils where the north/south poles oppose is known as
the ZPE (zero-point  energy)  zone.  Although scalar substructures are created
in the zpe, this type of translator is not exceptionally efficient due to the
flux leakage at the other end of the coils.  (The accompanying diagram will
clarify this.)

This was  one  of  the two types of translators  discovered  and examined by
Nikola  Tesla.  If you refer to his 1904 lecture in London, you will notice
that the  demonstration  coil Tesla used which was encased in a zinc box
(Faraday Cage),  had a secondary coil that consisted of two halves wound

The coils  as  described  in  that book would have created a zpe zone between
them.   The  field  would  have  been  capable  of penetrating the zinc box,
(whereas normal em  waves  would  not) and this is most likely how Tesla
stumbled onto it.  There is at least one  other  translator  Mr.  Tesla
stumbled onto which we shall discuss next.

Lenzs' Law Translator:

In Tesla's Colorado Springs diary  (1899-1900)  he noted that he was
experiencing a problem in keeping the top turns of his coils from shorting  out
due  to  breakdown  of the insulation on the wires under the high electric
potential he was creating.

In effect, the top turns were  shorted,  closed  loop conductors positioned on
top of the operating section of the  coil.  If you ever had   physics   in
high  school,  you  will  remember  Le Chatelier's Principle:


By applying this principle to the interactions  of  currents and magnetic
fields,  we  have Lenzs' Law.  This means the the field being radiated  by the
operating  (un-shorted)  portion  of  the Tesla oscillator, caused a counter
field of opposite  energy  to be created in the shorted turns.

The zone  between the functioning and reciprocating areas of the coil is a zpe
zone very similar  to  the  zone  created  in  the bucking coil  translator.
This was the second  translator  that Tesla had  discovered.   By constructing
a Tesla oscillator, and fixing a shorted loop to the top, we may produce
powerful scalar emissions.

Multiple Antenna Translator:

This method  of  producing scalar  waves  lends  itself  to  the production of
powerful  scalar  beams  which  can  be  used  in military (weapon)

The basic idea here is to use pairs or arrays of antennae spaced at 1/4  or 1/2
wave intervals, and possibly log-periodic arrays and yagi-type configurations
as  well,  which are fed rf energy and  wired  in  such  a way as to cause
total or  partial  phase conjugation of the waves projected from them.

The antennae  may consist of any combination of the antennae now in use for
communications in  any  band  desired.    Consult the Radio Amateurs  Handbook
for antenna types and  configurations. The possibilities  here  are alomost
endless and are well beyond the scope of this text.

Well thats all for now.  Serious researchers  are invited to contact me here
through  the  message  section of this BBS  for  information exchange and think
tank discussions.  Post Mail to Joseph Misiolek.

Vangard note...

To assist in a further understanding of Le Chatelier's Principle and Lenz' 
Law,   we  include  the  full  definition  from  Van Nostrand's Scientific

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Le Chatelier's Principle

Let us  perturb  a  system   which   is   initially  in  stable equilibrium to
a neighboring non-equilibrium state.   Since the initial equilibrium  is
supposed to be stable, the system will return to an equilibrium state.

Theorems governing the behavior  of perturbed systems are often known as
"theorems of constraint" or "theorems  of moderation." The best  known
thermodynamic theorem of moderation is that of Le Chatelier-Braun which in the
form stated by Le Chatelier is:

   "Any system in chemical equilibrium  undergoes,  as a result
    of a  variation  in  one  of  the  factors   governing  the
    equilibrium, a  COMPENSATING  CHANGE  in  a  direction such
    that, had this change occurred alone it would have produced
    a variation  of  the  factor  considered  in  the  OPPOSITE

However, this  principle  suffers  from a number  of  important exceptions.  it
 is   therefore   preferable   to   study  the "moderation" starting from the
usual  thermodynamic  formalism without invoking a special principle.

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Lenz' Law

A general law of electrodynamic induction, stated  by  H. F. E. Lenz in  1833.
It  points  out  that  the electromotive force induced by the variation of
magnetic  flux, with reference to a conductor, in the manner discovered by
Faraday,  is  always  in such direction  that,  if  it  produces a current, the
magnetic effect of that current opposes  the  flux variation responsible for
both electromotive force and current.

An outstanding  illustration  is  the  drag   on   a  generator armature; if
the  armature  circuit is closed, the rotation is opposed by a torque arising
from the reaction between the field and the current in the armature conductors.

Power must therefore be applied  to  drive the machine; and the greater the
armature current, the more power is required.

The effect  known as MAGNETIC DAMPING also depends  upon  Lenz' law.

A copper  disk, when spun between the poles of a strong magnet, quickly comes
to rest because  of  the  opposing  torque.  This arrangement serves as a speed
regulator in watt-hour meters.

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Warren York and his group out of El Paso have been working along the  lines  of
the 45 degree angled SMITH coil for SCALAR manipulations.

Warren has published articles  on  the  work  in  EXTRAORDINARY SCIENCE and
the  TESLA journal, both out of Colorado  Springs. The addresses  of these fine
publications is listed on KeelyNet under CONTACT1.ASC or .ZIP.

This is to date the finest article  (TRANSLRT.ZIP)  we have yet seen on  the
phenomena  grouped  as  SCALARS.    The  attached diagrams help to visualize
what is necessary for you to do your own experiments in this burgeoning field.

Please feel  free  to  distribute this article and the attached diagrams
throughout the networks and your own contacts.

If you have comments or other information  relating to such topics as  this
paper covers,  please  upload to KeelyNet  or send to the Vangard  Sciences
address  as  listed  on the  first  page.
  Thank you for your consideration, interest and support.

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Re: Air Ionizers Analogy - Strikingly Similar!
« Reply #46 on: April 05, 2011, 01:16:01 am »
Bubz thats great information.
Lets find a example for a basic test in a garage test environment.
I take it since the ionizer will use its own EHD or MHD effect so particles build up and circulate in a vicinity of near proximety unless other air currents would move them further. 
But what of the oxidizing process, in this most basic form of ionizing air?

Lets consider a few test situations.
Auto intake, installed in the airfilter sounds good but what of the mass air-flow sensor right after the intake does it suffer oxidations and ruin the sensor?
Older auto without sensors, in air filter above carburator, what happens to the carburator body over time?
Do we mix hydroxyl with it?
Will hydroxyl ignite if going past corona discharges, if so it must be installed after ionizer electrodes.?
Other applications would be a weld torch, cooking burner, furnace heater, etc.

What are the effects of oxidation to surrounding metal parts?
Once this is figured is there a line of too much or too little ozone to create the proper effect, so a controlled output may be in order.
By looking at Meyers drawings of the patents or memo's you see this process being used completely throughout the whole automobile.

In order to start what would you suggest as to the most basic form of electrode and maybe how to create a control for the process.
From reading other patents there is a point of too much, how can we determine whats too much ozone?

Just trying to see what you got in mind for applying and controlling the process maybe in just a test apparatus.   

In case anyone needs a link to see Tesla patent:

just a note... the electron extraction process where electrons are consumed prevents the formation of Ozone...