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« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2009, 00:36:49 am »
Aussepom
ok im confused... a scr is a diode that is not a regular diode..it is one with a built in gate..
it doesnt just have a cathode and a anode.. it also has a  gate post too. this one is rated for 600 volts  125 amps and high speed switching..  stan shows these in his patents.. he sends a signal to the scr gate through a octocoupler..  he would use that gated scr signal to tune into the chokes resonance. i think..  thanks for your input..

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« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2009, 06:54:17 am »
Hi outlawstc

yes the gate will turn it on, but once it is on, you have to cut the power to it to turn it off, or use another scr to turn it off, it is just a controlled 'on switch' you can if done correctly with two scr's turn them on and off quickly, but you if  do it with AC you get a half wave output, and then when the AC goes in the negative direction it turns off, then you can turn it on again.  just think of it as a 'electronic' on switch', now if you delay the turn on time it will only turn on for the time left in that cyle.  that is how you can get a varied amount of power, but only in the positive half, if you use only one scr.
there are many ways that they can be used.
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« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2009, 14:24:57 pm »
Aussepom ,

this is info i have gathered from wiki,

In the normal "off" state, the device restricts current to the leakage current. When the gate to cathode voltage exceeds a certain threshold, the device turns "on" and conducts current. The device will remain in the "on" state even after gate current is removed so long as current through the device remains above the holding current. Once current falls below the holding current for an appropriate period of time, the device will switch "off".

when they speak of remaining above the holding current, wouldnt a resistive bifillar choke on the output side cause a drop in the holding current causeing it to switch off with the use of only one scr?

im not trying to debate im just trying to understand why stan shows he uses only one in the circuit..

thanks,

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« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2009, 15:39:10 pm »
Hi outlawstc
 
 every thing there ok, the holding current is the minimum current through the SCR, you would have to look it up on the particular SCR.  normally when the ac goes though the zero point to go negative it will turn off, or if you shut the poer off.
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« Reply #20 on: July 19, 2009, 15:42:31 pm »
Hi guys I mean no dis respect but Steve set this up for the oz injector not a discussion on O3.
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« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2009, 06:55:39 am »
Hi there guys
                          Now neither of the units the little test one or the prototype, are any thing like Myer's injector.
Now some of you may have see the very first drawing that I put on the net, and that the way it was draw may have looked similar. That is no longer the case, as was with the Myer injector that had problems as well.
So I did a re-design, and there were issues with making it really small due to what is possible, with materials and machines to do what was require.
So not only the size changed but the internal.
The small unit I am looking at rebuilding out of some thing that will not melt, I will be willing to share this with you later, so that you all can 'play around'.
it is not just a case of pushing water through an arc, that will not work successfully either.
now I was told yesterday by my 'boss' who turned up at my hose and said 'don't come Monday'
so thing may take a little longer, but I still have a few tricks to play that may get me another 'burn'
Another item, water and air was mixed in one pare yes, this is the only control that you will have to vary the 'flame' if full water you would see a giant flame 400 ltrs a second of burning 'gas mix' coming out, this would give out a heat rating of 3mega watts of heat energy.
I hope that clears up a few items.
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« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2009, 07:34:09 am »
I know air contains 78% nitrogen, and some argon. So, I am not so sure what argon is, I'm assuming it is used in neon lamps? So I'm thinking it isn't explosive. So we have now Argon and Nitrogen, neither explosive, and Oxygen, With some other unknown to me gases.

It seems to me you're slowing the burn rate down when you mix air?

I am more interested in how you are delivering the water. What sorta pressure is on it if any. Another interesting thing is, Do you use some sort of Metering device. Metering devices are usually an expansion valve, orfus tube, or any device that Bust the refrigerant as it exits. So, did you bust something from a higher pressure down to an ambient, or lower pressure?

I would also like to note your Water Temp before this Injector, Did you take any special procedures to alter the waters temp before your system would work? Did you let the cool tap water become room temp, or?



You May already know this, Water under vacuum will lower the Boiling Temperature, I'm pretty sure you know this due to our past coversations. It is pretty neat because the lower the vacuum on the Liquid of any type, the lower the Boiling Point required. A video on Youtube will show water under vacuum Boiling, Then freezing.

Take a Syringe, Fill it 1,4th of the way with water. Pull back, Let go. OR OR fill it 1.4th, Bang the syringe on something.
Pull back a second time, you can See the water boiling at a very low temp due to the low pressure. Boiling doesn't necessarily meant HOT.

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« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2009, 23:10:18 pm »
    Hi Warp
                       Air 78% Nirogen. 15%Oxygen , then there is water H2O , this contains Hydrogen and Oxgen.
 
One litre of water by volume as you should know, is 66.666%Hydrogen, 33.333%Oxygen
Nitrogen is an inert gas,  but is used to form a plasma arc
 
The     Tadahiko Mizumo , and Molliner  used the principal of creating an arc under water, the WW2 diver and most other divers when welding underwater are doing the same thing.
 Tadahiko Mizumo , and Molliner  are going to all the trouble to separate and collect the hydrogen.
Well to me I have a different approach, WHY BOTHER TO COLLECT IT so imagine doing that but all the gasses come out and are ignighted.
Now one litre of water as you should already know contains as above percentages, equates to 2065lts in total of the combined mixture.
Now we have fuel, Hydrogen, you need Oxygen for it to burn, we have that, the Nitrogen is use to form a plasma, ignition.   Woosh you have 2065ltrs of flaming gas for every litre you put though, at 12 ltrs a min even at a conservative estimate at 180 or 219btu per cubic foot is still a lot 3Mega Watts of heat energy, but if it is what we think it may be a lot more by far.
BUT IT IS NOT HYDROXCY as you see from the documentation, at 3,700deg C water goes 'ballistic' for want of a better word, but it enter theforth state of matter[/color[/color]
The plasma is at any where from 10 to 50,000deg Kelvin
Well maybe you may see what I mean.
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