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Title: getting there
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 26, 2011, 02:47:28 am
Well, I have got a result that appears to be something that I can improve on.  My VIC as pictured is three coils of 28 gauge 1000'  and a primary 21 gauge about 120'  I used the laminated strips from an old 110/220 step up as the core.  Sebosfatos PLL with a pic up coil rests next to it.  Resonance with clicking sound and input amp bump up at 2.5khz.  Gas production is not great but surges from second to second.  3.5" 3/4" tube outer with 1/2" solid rod.
Coil resonance can be found manually and the PLL nails it right off.  Definate clicking sound with either way at resonance.  1000v spikes on the oscope.
Now to tune gating.  Could not have got here without the forum.
kb 
Title: Re: getting there
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 26, 2011, 17:51:14 pm
That sounds great! Have you tryed tuning the chokes as Tony advised?
anyway it sounds like you have a great setup that you can improve upon! keep up the good work and keep us informed
Title: Re: getting there
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 26, 2011, 18:58:10 pm
Dave,
That is my intention and direction.  Trying different diodes today.  I am seeing some variation in performance from several uf diodes and diode types.  My idea was to make the chokes so I could add or subtract wire to tune accordingly without disassembly.  It's all experimental.  I have observed what appears to be two distinct sized bubbles, a small even sized group that run up along the inner rod and a larger faster group that runs up the middle of the gap.  One of my next steps is to make the identical coil set up with a newer bigger fine iron powder epoxy molded core to get a direct comparison.  I also appears that iron wire chokes strongly clamp down on amps out and produce little gas.  I'm still reducing turns of the iron wire to a point were I see some response. 
kb
 
Title: Re: getting there
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 27, 2011, 21:00:12 pm
can I ask what your voltage and current ratings are for each kind of gas production?
Title: Re: getting there
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 27, 2011, 21:15:44 pm
Hi Dave,
The voltages are as in the photo gauges, 12v in, 1-2 amp in, 25ma at the tube.  My PLL crapped out so I'm stalled again.  Gas is 1/2 that of a 8XA ferrite micrometals torroid at 12v in, 1amp in, 25ma at the tube.
I'm still thinking that it is normal electroylsis.  For example, with my 8XA I can run 3amp in and 200ma at the tube and do 100x more gas.
kb
 
Title: Re: getting there
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 27, 2011, 22:21:01 pm
dave, correction, the 8XA torroid is running at 50 volts from the variac and 200ma in, 200ma through the tube also.....
Title: Re: getting there
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 28, 2011, 14:09:53 pm
Hi Dave,
The voltages are as in the photo gauges, 12v in, 1-2 amp in, 25ma at the tube.  My PLL crapped out so I'm stalled again.  Gas is 1/2 that of a 8XA ferrite micrometals torroid at 12v in, 1amp in, 25ma at the tube.
I'm still thinking that it is normal electroylsis.  For example, with my 8XA I can run 3amp in and 200ma at the tube and do 100x more gas.
kb


Nice to see you are getting good results. I suggest you to put your pll circuit and the mosfet with heat sync in a wood box. I think it makes less static electricity. well since i did this i didn't burned the circuits anymore...


seems like, if the drain of the mosfet( normaly the mounting hole) has contact with the wood, it will form a wood capacitor to somewhere else where the ground is... is a good thing..


Br
sebs
Title: Re: getting there
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 28, 2011, 23:07:32 pm
Seb
I'll give it a try.  It was reverting to 60hz and that was the clicking sound in the vic after a while.  My iron powder epoxy vic was a bust.  Ebay had some ferrite bars that I can try next perhaps.  The 60hz step up laminated strips didn't transfer signal power well above 500hz.  ...oh well it was learning experience...
kb
Title: Re: getting there
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 29, 2011, 11:35:58 am
Have you ever thought about what you have in a dead short condition?
Title: Re: getting there
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 29, 2011, 16:06:59 pm
of course
Title: Re: getting there
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 29, 2011, 16:17:33 pm
seb, no hv spikes, no power, no voltage multiplication, a slug
Title: Re: getting there
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 29, 2011, 17:36:24 pm
in a dead short condition you can pull lot of amps thru it cant you?...

All comes back to the theories i was testing in the past of my very first thread here in the forum.


I was on something cause i could push 20 amps thru the water having only 1,44v across the plates... the video you find on youtube...  named power...


The main problem is the ionic current that flows thru the water... I believe meyer was talking about this when he speaks restrict the current. Pure water is a good start, but there are other required means...
Title: Re: getting there
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 30, 2011, 17:35:50 pm
Once again SEBOSFATO is not getting the idea...
he continues to think like a simple electronics designer...
dont get confused by his posts

The Stan Meyer system MUST step charge based on the GATING timing !
The resonance is for the inductance / capacitance of the chokes... this causes AMP RESTRICTION across the water

SEBOSFATO continues to speak of tank circuits

HELLO !
 This is not a tank circuit and the standard series resonance formulas do not apply because of the DIODE !
there can be no series resonant tank circuit.... no high circulating amps...

Simply a FORCED MECHANICAL RESONANCE in the CHOKES based on their inductive capacative reactance
When the gasses start to flow the PLL tracks the feedback from the primary and keeps THE CHOKES in RESONANCE... to restrict AMPS to almost ZERO...

WE DO NOT WANT ANY CURRENT FLOWING ACROSS THE WATER FUEL CELL... THE 9 RESONANT CHAMBER TUBES ARE CONNECTED IN SERIES (MAYBE) OR THE 9 RESONANT CHAMBER TUBES ARE CONNECTED TO EACH OF THE VIC CARDS(MAYBE) THAT IS WHERE THE EXPERIMENTING NEEDS TO GO NEXT

WHATEVER YOU DO... THE IDEA IS TO GET HYDROXY GAS FOR VERY LITTLE ENERGY INPUT...NOT HIGH CURRENT FARADAY ELECTROLYSIS

SIMPLE IONIC CHARGING THAT PULLS THE WATER APART, WITH NO CURRENT.
why cant sebosfato understand that this forum is going in that direction... i mean he can post and do what ever he wants, but to confuse the issue is intolerable.
please stop confusing people...
have a nice day

Title: Re: getting there
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 30, 2011, 18:11:38 pm
just wanted to help. some others know what i'm talking about.



Title: Re: getting there
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 30, 2011, 18:31:31 pm
Dear Ali:
The gating is one of the confusing parts, I've heard some say meyer would pulse for a period of time and then gate off for a period of time and be making gas during the off period, like 90 seconds if I remember.  Then I've seen his diagram of the five pulses and an off period and five pulses, etc.  I can make gas, not much, but some gas with the iron wire chokes at 12v and at zero amps.  Nice high 2kv+ ptp voltage with a square wave seen at the tube.  When tuned to a resonant waveform with this setup with a nice v shaped ac signal gas production goes away and ptp drops way down.  The gating may relate to the proton spin and pulling effect and timing of that like Tony suggests.  I'm using purified RO water and making gas at nearly zero amps but I still think it is normal electrolysis.  Meyer used 25ma to 10 ma across the gap with 12v in I think, but I could be wrong.  I also think the gating period is what is to be tuned.  I can't get the phase shift yet so I'm still working on that.
Anyone can run amps through water and make gas.  We are indeed trying to duplicate meyer's system yet when we see super high ptp voltages it is a condition of the switch off spikes producing damping off or ringing waveforms, that in itself demonstrates a tank effect of the bounce back and forth of the signal in the system.  How to get Tony's plus and minus 180 degree phase shift with high kv opposing voltages is a mystery to me.
 
kb
Title: Re: getting there
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 30, 2011, 18:43:36 pm
Well, no current would be nice, is it.. :)

Anybodys input is welcome here, Ali. We appriciate Sebosfato,s input.
Thank you for yours ;)


Steve
Title: Re: getting there
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 30, 2011, 23:09:54 pm
I recommend everyone to start reading into puharich his document. It is based on Keely!

There is no current involved only voltage and the right frequencies to make this SM resonance WFC system work!

Br,
Webmug
Title: Re: getting there
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 30, 2011, 23:34:03 pm
webmug,
 
here's a good place to start...
http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/energy21/puharich.htm (http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/energy21/puharich.htm)
kb
 
Title: Re: getting there
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 30, 2011, 23:42:06 pm
webmug,
 
ooooppssss
 
this is the link I tried to send but missed it on my list
http://www.svpvril.com/Cosmology/addendum13.html (http://www.svpvril.com/Cosmology/addendum13.html)
 
kb
 
Title: Re: getting there
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 31, 2011, 17:35:55 pm
if you input 100mV into a resistance of 1miliohmm you have what? 100 amps right? 10watts right

but at resonance 100 amps multiplied by the reactance which in series was zero but itself has lets say 1 ohm  you have what? 100V right? 100V*100A= 10Kilowatts

you see?

Correction  I = E/R   .001V divided by .001Ohms = ONE AMP  ... not 100
 therefore power would be P=IxE or  1 x .001 = .001 watts   ... NOT TEN WATTS

now i see... after 5 years of electrician apprenticeship classes !
Title: Re: getting there
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 31, 2011, 22:02:32 pm
Seb,
Is there a way to simulate ferrite rods wound with single layer iron wire?  Resistance, wire size, turn number, core diameter and permiability can be inputed but I'm not sure if it does that sort of a thing. I don't know much about the simulator but am learning.
The iron wire really works to minimize amps and increases voltages ptp incredibly well.  Spintronics is on to something here.
kb
 
Title: Re: getting there
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 01, 2011, 01:49:59 am
you can simulate, whatever circuit conditions you want, you just need to model them..


you can use a transformer and adjust its coupling... than you can have two  coils in a ferrite like... add a resistance in series and become more realistic...


Is good to have a understanding of what is limit for this-.. for example for infinite resistance no current can flow ... so where the limit of the resistance is the infinite the current will be zero.. .this kind of logic thinking is very wanted


the only thing the simulation wont show you is the gas production =)


I'm limited to somethings i can share, but you all can be sure that when gbd power group is formed we are going to stabilize all the economies of the world.  and you all, no exceptions will have your chance to make part of it. I said.


Some forum members received private protected info that if something happen will come out for sure.


Nice for all


I'm declaring here that i 'm going to create a research company and all you will be already made part of it. OK


Hope we do it