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Title: What if....which part would you choose?
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 23, 2011, 14:31:44 pm
Hi members,

I want to do some thinking with you about the following theory.
I just want to turn the thinking around. a 180 degrees......

It is known that when you apply for a patent, that you might leave 1 component out to protect the finding.
It is also known that Stan Meyer was very suspicious against everybody and that he dismanteld some components from his car during the time he was out or at sleep.
So, here's the question:
What kind of component(s) do we miss?
What part could have been removable which we do not know about?

My theory is that it MUST have been the MOST important part of it all. Probably a part that MUST be installed in the waterfuelcell. Without that part, the High voltage would not work......
Without that part, no efficiency will be achieved....

So, again....what kind of component could it be?



Steve


Title: Re: What if....which part would you choose?
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 23, 2011, 15:06:36 pm
A diode...
Title: Re: What if....which part would you choose?
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 23, 2011, 18:52:50 pm
I think we need to get deeper into applying what we already know.. I think there are some variances that are not specified in the pictures or schematics..  like the exact core perm.. I don't think anyone has tried multiple transformer cores with a replica of Stan's transformer and his circuitry..   We cant label this tech as missing something until we have applied the different available variances that can be applied with the information we currently have... I think the transformer is the focus at the present time since the transformer is where the high voltage is being generated.. stans circuit does as he explains from what i see..
Title: Re: What if....which part would you choose?
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 23, 2011, 20:58:40 pm
I was more thinking in somekind of ultrasone module orso...
Title: Re: What if....which part would you choose?
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 24, 2011, 04:04:44 am
Steve, great post!
i've been wondering the same thing, some part that we don't now about that makes the whole thing work. Maybe it could have to do with treating the water before it enters the cell, just an idea.
 
outlawstc; i agree, we need to try differnt core options. It be nice if we could find a core size with many different material options so we could just transfer the bobbins from one to the other.
Title: Re: What if....which part would you choose?
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 24, 2011, 04:26:39 am
@Steve:
I've been told from one source (someone who was very close to Stan) that Stan always disabled his tubular array cell after every demonstration.  He DID remove a key component which rendered the cell inoperable until it was reattached.  I have been asking myself this same question you have posted in this new thread for a while now.
 
Everything in plain sight while he is demonstrating the unit (or the unit via the dune buggy) has been pretty well photographed and recorded on video so it would not make sense to remove anything clearly visible.  I was speculating that whatever Meyer removed was probably something housed in an enclosure such as electrical control box/enclosure. 
 
Just a thought,
mina
Title: Re: What if....which part would you choose?
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 24, 2011, 05:54:41 am
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Title: Re: What if....which part would you choose?
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 24, 2011, 08:45:04 am
A capacitor could make all difference, capacitances are thing that can be hidden very well, just changing the placement of a thing you can alter the capacitances... a simple switch that changes the area of metal connected to a tuned circuit could change the tuning....
My 2 cents
Title: Re: What if....which part would you choose?
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 24, 2011, 10:30:42 am
yea ...allways wandered why Steve Meyers  only has an empedance network card in his patent with the primary field not explained.
Title: Re: What if....which part would you choose?
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 24, 2011, 11:29:20 am
I am happy to read that i am not the only person with the same mindwaves... :)

You all made good suggestions.
I ll go with Mina's theory in this case.
It must have been something out of side...

I have attached a picture made by Dynodon. He published that picture on this forum earlier this year.
Have a look inside the wfc of Meyer.
Ever asked yourself why he made that strange "cup" at the bottum?
I suspect that there was a special module in the middle...
Agree?

Steve
 
Title: Re: What if....which part would you choose?
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 24, 2011, 12:13:32 pm
Hi
in that picture steve posted of the wfc, in that picture bottom centre - anyone know what are the  function of the 5 (electrodes ?) which are vertically aligned may be for or might they have been to detect the water levelor something else?
Title: Re: What if....which part would you choose?
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 24, 2011, 14:06:44 pm
Another possibility
 
There is a short video segment at the end of the long dune buggy video (9 minute version)
where Charlie and Stan Graumlich  are assisting the tightening down the top of the reaction chamber with the comment "That'll about do it" prior to the run down the road.  Were they puting in a critical part or just checking prior to buggy run that all the seals were tight?
 
 
 
Title: Re: What if....which part would you choose?
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 24, 2011, 16:04:50 pm
Another possibility
 
There is a short video segment at the end of the long dune buggy video (9 minute version)
where Charlie and Stan Graumlich  are assisting the tightening down the top of the reaction chamber with the comment "That'll about do it" prior to the run down the road.  Were they puting in a critical part or just checking prior to buggy run that all the seals were tight?

Which video do you mean, Jim?

Title: Re: What if....which part would you choose?
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 24, 2011, 16:35:54 pm
Interesting thread.

This means we don't understand fully Meyer's work. But he had very good ideas.
Title: Re: What if....which part would you choose?
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 24, 2011, 16:41:31 pm
i think the recessed cup in the resonant cavity is to help prevent the pump from sucking in gasses.. Stan is circulating his water.. If the return was at the same height as the outputs of the tube cells you will be more likely to suck the fuel gas into your  circulation pump...  If Stan did have a part to remove for disabling functionality it would be something with quick and easy access.. not something you need to take a lot of bolts off to open in my opinion.
Title: Re: What if....which part would you choose?
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 24, 2011, 22:55:31 pm
The cup is brown colored. I have seen that happen in my cells. Nothing special. But in the middle there is a white circle..... Why is that not brown?
Maybe because something was put on that ring?
Title: Re: What if....which part would you choose?
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 24, 2011, 23:02:11 pm
Plus those 5 nuts on the inside of the cell...



Title: Re: What if....which part would you choose?
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 25, 2011, 03:06:46 am
the nuts on the side of the cell would have been for the water level sensing.
Don
Title: Re: What if....which part would you choose?
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 25, 2011, 08:33:27 am
the nuts on the side of the cell would have been for the water level sensing.
Don

thanks, Don. That make sense....


Title: Re: What if....which part would you choose?
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 25, 2011, 10:31:19 am
also durring Steve's interviews at one point he says " and that was OUR secret back then"  I forget wat he was referring to tho it seemed mute at tha time of the interview other than tha fact he knows the secrets.
Title: Re: What if....which part would you choose?
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 01, 2011, 14:52:55 pm
Stan was using the steam resonater on the buggy, maybe it had a bigger purpose then to keep the water from freezing during the winter. Has anyone tryed hot water in their cell? I tryed in mine and didn't have any luck, but I don't really expect anything from my current set up
Title: Re: What if....which part would you choose?
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 02, 2011, 08:55:14 am
Stan was using the steam resonater on the buggy, maybe it had a bigger purpose then to keep the water from freezing during the winter. Has anyone tryed hot water in their cell? I tryed in mine and didn't have any luck, but I don't really expect anything from my current set up

Dave,

i have tested warm water into details.....
At about 73 degrees celcius, you will notice the best electrolysis you ever seen....
Of course you also create some steam. But if you use one or two bublers, you can filter the hho and steam pretty good. Btw, if you run an engine, a little bit of steam is not so bad either.

Steve
Title: Re: What if....which part would you choose?
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 02, 2011, 12:58:25 pm
I know it helps with electrolysis, but I was talking about stan's set up. I was thinking that maybe the water needs to have a higher energy level for it to work