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Title: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 20, 2008, 20:11:49 pm
First I'd like to thank Hydrocars for inviting me to the site.  And I welcome any advice I can get. Today I started on my cell, It's a seven cell with 10" X 1" X 1/16" tubes. It will have a 1.5 mm gap.  I glued the canister together and this weekend I will work on the tubes themselves. still waiting on parts for my circuit.

Thanks
Spike
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 21, 2008, 02:42:05 am
omg dude that cell is so nice, wow! i found a place to get 6 OD containers estreetplastics.com or something like that. i got 2 containers 12 tall 6 od for 30 dollars, and thats including shipping.

dude, nice cell! very nice cell

Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 21, 2008, 05:56:28 am
Thanks, I want to build a nine cell next time. But this time 4" OD was as big as I could find this time

Spike
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 21, 2008, 20:12:20 pm
nice work spike.
Have you found a way to wire the tubes?
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 21, 2008, 22:29:16 pm
I'm welding SS cable, and covering them with heatshrink
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 22, 2008, 20:47:54 pm
omg dude that cell is so nice, wow! i found a place to get 6 OD containers estreetplastics.com or something like that. i got 2 containers 12 tall 6 od for 30 dollars, and thats including shipping.



Can you tell us where you found this?
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 22, 2008, 23:08:02 pm
http://www.estreetplastics.com/

 6" od x 5 3/4" id x 11 7/8" long - Clear Extruded Acrylic Tube

http://www.estreetplastics.com/Acrylic_Tube_s/45.htm


now the top and bottom of my cell, this OTHER guy will special cut an 8x8 peice for you, i dont know his site but he is on ebay, i will try to find his id for you later. 
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 22, 2008, 23:37:26 pm
holy cow 8x8?!
wide but a bit short...
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 23, 2008, 04:03:24 am
its not short, if it was any bigger i couldn't lift it when it was full of water lol, keep in mind the smaller the gap the shorter the tubes...
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 24, 2008, 05:34:33 am
Went to my friend Richard's to work on tubes(he has his own machine shop!!!  ;D) Trued tubes up in the lathe, And milled the vents. tomorrow it's time for the leads

Spike
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 29, 2008, 00:50:24 am
Got delayed with some unexpected household repairs. But finally finished my cell. I still don't have the parts for my control unit, so I hooked it up to my Sebring's battery jumper posts. And now I know I'm hooked ;D  . 

Spike
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 29, 2008, 01:26:19 am
Here's a short video

Spike

Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 29, 2008, 04:20:07 am
Cool!  I did the same with mine and it made some big bubbles.
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 29, 2008, 16:20:22 pm
It didn't take but a couple of seconds.  Today I will try to scrounge up an alternator and electric motor.  Also I ended up using bolts to the inner tubes, And SS welding rod on the outer tubes.  Thanks for the ideas, It's nice to have the experience of others

Spike
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 05, 2008, 06:09:14 am
PARTS  ARRIVED!!!!! ;D

Spike
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 05, 2008, 14:51:28 pm
yey

gratz and nice work m8  ;)

Mr Browngass
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 05, 2008, 22:49:43 pm
Do you have any pictures of the SS wire connections at the tubes?
Lookin good nice bubbles, nice bubbles.
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 05, 2008, 23:31:24 pm
No I don't have any pictures of the wire welded to the tubes. But it's 1/8" SS rod. Started on the center tube, then wrapped around the outside tubes, 3/4" up on the tubes.  I ended up tapping the inside tubes for 5/8" bolts to a SS plate. Next time I take it apart, I'll take a picture.

Spike
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 11, 2008, 02:45:54 am
I keep getting brown junk in the water. It may be chlorine, Because it has a pool smell when i open the cell afterwards. And I also found out the hard way about not having a good heat sink, so here is my new one.

Spike
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 11, 2008, 02:51:06 am
Which circuit are you using? 
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 11, 2008, 02:58:32 am
I was using the old one, when i burned up my mosfet. I'm going to order the parts this week, for the new one.

Spike
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 11, 2008, 03:02:36 am
got two 30 sec clips on alternator alone.

spike
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 11, 2008, 03:13:16 am
Cool stuff Spike!  Whats the HP rating on your driver motor?  How much bigger pulley do you think you will need?
Nice setup. Got anymore vids?
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 11, 2008, 03:37:01 am
I need to go to a 6" pulley to get the right rpm's. the motor is a 8.7 amp 1/2hp, and that may not be enough.

Spike
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 11, 2008, 05:41:45 am
How much does it slow down?  Just  to get an idea of the load
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 11, 2008, 10:40:42 am
Right now, I'm only getting about 1800 rpm's on the alternator.

Spike
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 21, 2008, 04:09:30 am
Alternator update

GM 40 amp Alternator, 1/2 hp 1750 rpm 8.7 amp motor
All on tap water, no additives, no circuit, with a 3" pulley on the alternator

3" pulley on motor, with 1 amp 12vdc power supply to rotor= 200cc/min
4" pulley on motor, with 1 amp 12vdc power supply to rotor= Alternator overheating
4" pulley on motor, running wire from stator to rotor=120cc/min
5" pulley on motor, with 1 amp 12vdc power supply to rotor= motor amped out
5" pulley on motor, running wire from stator to rotor= 175cc/min

back to 3" pulley on motor, with 1 amp 12vdc power supply to rotor.
need 1 hp motor next. :-\
And get parts to build hydros circuit to pulse rotor.

Spike
 
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 21, 2008, 08:28:26 am
Hi Spikeman,

Very good report! This is the way we like it here.
A small but efficient test report, so we can learn from it.
Too bad for you that the 0.5hp  driver is not strong enough.
So you have to make another investment in a drive engine. :'(
The good news is that you can sell the 0.5hp.....

br
Steve
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 25, 2008, 09:34:38 am
Today I sealed all the seams on my cell. teflon taped the lid, epoxied around the threads of the nipple, and terminal posts.   The cell now produces 220cc/min on tap h2o.  ;D

Spike
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 25, 2008, 12:03:04 pm
Ok Spike,

Thats a 3.7cc hydroxy per second.
Not bad!


br
Steve
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 25, 2008, 14:38:55 pm
daaayum thats a-lota bubbles!.... This is really good info to make sure everything is sealed just so... Not only is it safer but obviously more efficient!  Good work Kevin!
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 27, 2008, 21:43:38 pm
Today I tried  12vdc at 1amp, up to 12vdc at 10 amps to the rotor. And found no difference in gas out put.  :-\
I thought if you created a better magnetic field, It would increase production. But it appears  1 amp is enough.

Spike
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 27, 2008, 22:27:44 pm
it has to be pulsed to the rotor, and you cant have a alternator cap, they will remove the spikes,, but some caps dont, you can get more gas with caps if you know how to use them...
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 27, 2008, 22:59:50 pm
Today I tried  12vdc at 1amp, up to 12vdc at 10 amps to the rotor. And found no difference in gas out put.  :-\
I thought if you created a better magnetic field, It would increase production. But it appears  1 amp is enough.

Spike

Try higher volts!

br
steve
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 27, 2008, 23:48:10 pm
I think you lost me.  ???

Ok Hydro,

What I'm getting is, run inline capacitors with a blocking diode I assume.  And if so, How big, 250v or what.

And Steve you said higher voltage. Do you mean to the rotor, or rewire the alternator to 24 vdc

Looking for answers
Spike
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 28, 2008, 09:13:28 am
On the rotor. If you have a variac, that would be nice to put on the rotor. Then you can play with variable dc voltage on the rotor.

br
steve
Title: Re: Spikes Cell (Karebill Style Cell)
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 08, 2008, 03:55:50 am
Karebill

I finally scrounged enough 316L SS tubing for my cell  ;D

Tomorrow  I start truing up, and prepping my tubes.

I'll keep you all posted.

Spike
 
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 08, 2008, 04:03:31 am
oh man those are  nice,,, i want them lol.. do you have any ideal of your gap size yet?
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 08, 2008, 05:03:48 am
I cant wait to see it in action. Stainless is getting hard to find anymore and its expensive. I used to work in a battery plant and everything there was made from c20 a verry high grade. That plant would be impossible to build because of the cost of stainless now.
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 08, 2008, 05:11:00 am
It's will be a six cell, three tubes each 1", 3/4", And 1/2", 10 inches long. With a 1.5mm gap. the water will flow back and forth between all the tubes before exiting, With the help of a pump. hooked in series.

Spike
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 08, 2008, 05:15:17 am
Hydro

It's not stainless steel you need, From what your video showed.  Was your water level above your cells that night, Or did it arc above the water?

Spike
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 08, 2008, 05:33:26 am
are you sure you posted in the right thread? i dont understand your last post lol... please explain
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 08, 2008, 05:40:01 am
Hydro

 I was referring to your blown cell. Did you figure out how it blew? Was the water level down, when you went to bed, Or did it form a charge above the water level.

Spike
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 09, 2008, 03:11:38 am
 Spike one thing I found if I put the cells water supply in series (water flowing out of one into the other) the production goes down. I think its because the more bubbles = less surface area. But with your design that doesn’t matter because your tubes aren’t taking up any extra space. IM excited to see what it does. The water flow does also change the amps. More water higher amps.
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 10, 2008, 08:23:59 am
Karebill

I understand, It was probably choking, Which is why I may need a higher volume pump with a neutral tube.

But I have been making progress .

Spike
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 10, 2008, 11:03:31 am
Neat work Spike. You will need a good pump for that. can`t wait to see it  pumping gas  :P

hm
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 10, 2008, 14:20:22 pm
I really like the idea of the neutral plate. You could make that design with as many neutral tubes as you want. The pump that IM running is 1.6 gal per min but due to the small feed holes in my tubes I probably only use 1/2 to 3/4 gal/min.
Title: Re: Spikes Cell (Karebill Style Cell)
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 12, 2008, 15:37:20 pm
Even though I'm working all this weekend, I've made some progress.

I got a hold of some 1" thick teflon. I tried to make  cap plates, But after loosing a couple peaces of telfon, due to the 1" bit ripping the teflon out of the vise on my drill press. I decided to use what was let of my teflon to make mounting brackets. One has 1" holes spaced at 1 1/2" intervals, And the other has 1/2" holes spaced at 1 1/2" intervals. Both are cut down threw the centers of all the holes so I may use them as clamps as well as brackets. I'm using flat braided stainless steel to connect cells together, securing it in place with the brackets.

I'll keep you updated  ;D

Spike

 
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 12, 2008, 16:52:24 pm
Great Move Man! i like it alot
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 12, 2008, 19:42:10 pm
That is new and innovative!
Nice work spike!
Whats next?
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 12, 2008, 23:16:11 pm
Next is figuring out how I'm going to attach a nipple on 1" ends,  Then hook up  plastic  supply lines. I'm still looking for a recirculation pump, probable a  12vdc  RV pump ;D

Spike
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 13, 2008, 02:46:27 am
Another good pump would be a live well pump from a sporting goods shop or a sprayer pump from an agriculture shop.
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 14, 2008, 15:29:33 pm
Spike,
  Nice looking cell.  I am very impressed by this design and have been playing around with alternate options for your build.  I have attached some drawings that I will be attempting to build.  I have ordered enough stainless tubing to build my original design and also build a copy of your design as well.  I will probably just build a single cell version first before I build the full six.  Please have a look and let me know if this is basically correct with what you are trying to accomplish.

I am scheduled to receive my stainless today and will try to machine the blocks by Friday so that I can assemble this weekend.  I am limited to the thickness of material that I can machine with the small tolerances,  but I will give it a try.  Hopefully it will be thick enough to prevent any leaks.

I will keep you posted.

LapperL
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 14, 2008, 20:41:23 pm
Lapperl

That is the way I wanted to make mine, But I had problems milling the teflon. I was using regular bits in a drill press, When I got to my 1" bit, It would rip the teflon out of my vise on my drill press. I would try paddle bits next time.

So I used my teflon as brackets. And I'm going to use pvc on the ends.

Spike
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 14, 2008, 21:05:36 pm
Spike,
  I work as a design/sign maker at a major sign manufacturing company and one of my tasks is running the router table (basically a 3 axis CNC machine).  I am a little concerned about the small tolerances and the possibility of the ledges breaking when the assembly is tightened.  I am trying to make it out of 1" thick material for two reasons:

Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 14, 2008, 21:11:55 pm
Sorry,
  I accidentally posted before I finished.  As I was saying, I am trying to keep within 1" thick material for two reasons:

     1.  1" thick material is easier to come by and less expensive.

     2.  Cutting depths are limited using an 1/8" end mill.

I will post pictures and results when I have completed.

P.S.  The yellow squares are cross sections of O-rings.

LapperL
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 14, 2008, 21:15:02 pm
Lapperl

It looks like it will be a sweet setup.

Can't wait to see it.

Spike
Title: Re: Spikes Cell (Karebill Style Cell)
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 17, 2008, 08:19:00 am
It's been a couple of days, Thought I would give you all an update.

After considering a number of things, I decided to build manifolds for the ends. This way it would be compact, Free flowing, And maybe, More efficient. ;D

Hope you like it

Spike
Title: Re: Spikes Cell (Karebill Style Cell)
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 18, 2008, 02:32:20 am
 ;D MY CELL IS BUILT !!!!  ;D

I spent the afternoon fitting each piece. I cut down the pvc tees to conserve space. Then slotted them and slid a piece of 3/4 pvc tubing threw them. After I glued  all the pieces together, I epoxied the manifolds to the cell.

Tonight I will start on the reservoir, And monday I will find a pump. Because I have to fire this up!!

I want to thank Karebill and everbody else for there help so far.

Spike
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 18, 2008, 02:36:48 am
just curious how did you make the connections on the inner tubes and how did you route them out from under the pvc?
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 18, 2008, 02:40:53 am
Nice!   I wonder how much pressure can it hold compaired to stan's style...?
Title: Re: Spikes Cell (Karebill Style Cell)
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 18, 2008, 02:58:47 am
Thanks, I've been working hard on it.

Hopefully I will find out monday, How much psi it can stand. But what I can't wait to see, Is what it can produce.

Spike
Title: Re: Spikes Cell (Karebill Style Cell)
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 18, 2008, 09:52:54 am
H2OPOWER

Unfortunately, I will be using grunt power for now. I fried my circuit, And rather than rebuild it, I was thinking of a Bob Boyce  circuit. Hooked to a 30 amp relay. Along with an AC inverter.

Mechanically, I can build what ever I want to. But electronics, I definitely have to follow directions. And still require some assistance. My last circuit was Hydro's old design. I learned a lot from building it. Same with my first cell.

A man once told me that a day without learning something, Is a waisted day.

Spike   
Title: Re: Spikes Cell (Karebill Style Cell)
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 19, 2008, 02:49:17 am
Does anybody else have this problem. These are pictures of under the hood of my 2006 Sebring convertible. When I said space was at a premium, This is what I mean. There isn't even room for the battery, It's inside the fender well. My cell is going to be installed in front of the radiator.

Spike
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 19, 2008, 02:53:52 am
Put ur cell in the back and run a line up to a bubler in ur engine compartment, most engine compartments hawe room for a bubler of some sort


Mr Brown / H2inICE
Title: Re: Spikes Cell (Karebill Style Cell)
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 20, 2008, 05:21:13 am
First trial run of my karebill cell

I hooked my rotor to my stator and got 25VDC at 20 amps. This is with my 1/2hp 1800rpm motor

On Tap water I got 210 - 220 cc/min, At 24.1VDC, 8.2 amps
with 4 tspn lye I'm getting a little over 1.25 LPM, At 24.2VDC, 18.2 amps

I ran it for an hour, There was no slow down in production. And I don't think it made it to 100 degrees.

here is the video http://youtube.com/user/bulldogge1232000

or you can download it

Spike
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 20, 2008, 08:39:15 am
great job spike! great job!
Title: Re: Spikes Cell (Karebill Style Cell)
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 20, 2008, 09:13:37 am
I have been playing for the past couple of hours.

Here is my best result so far

1.33 LPM
13.8 VDC
18.2 amps
251.16 watts
5.307 ml/watt

And still playing  ;D

Spike
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 20, 2008, 09:26:26 am
First of all great job Spike 8)

I just updated the comperison chart with spike`s results.

From what I see I think that no neutral tube setup and extreme small gap is the way to go for best efficiencies

HM
Title: Re: Spikes Cell (Karebill Style Cell)
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 20, 2008, 09:36:49 am
Thanks  ;D

But give me some time.

And how do you find the efficiency?
I was looking, but couldn't find it.

Spike
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 20, 2008, 13:54:28 pm
Looks great Spike!!  Good work.

I was curious about a couple of things and was wondering if you would answer a couple of questions?

How do you have your system wired?

How did you keep your neutral tubes isolated?

Where did you get your pump?


Keep up the good work!!

LapperL
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 20, 2008, 14:29:37 pm
 That’s interesting that yours will run without the pump. Mine drops production considerably with the pump off.  Maybe it’s my small gap size? Try different wiring setups. When using lower amps mine makes the best production with a 3 series 3 parallel. Very nice.
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 20, 2008, 14:54:00 pm
Aloha,
Hydrogenmask- in your chart, did you include pump amp usage in production results for karebill?
Spike- Will you be using this product in any actual use or performance tests (motor, generator, etc.)?
Bill
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 20, 2008, 15:40:16 pm
spike on you inner most tube dose the water flow thru it to  if  so  pluging the tube  or putting solid plastic rods inside will improve your gas and efficiancy by reducing the current leakage 
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 20, 2008, 18:48:59 pm
Aloha,
Hydrogenmask- in your chart, did you include pump amp usage in production results for karebill?


no I did not included pump power usage.

Hi Spike  with the excel file below you need only to to key in the VOLTS AMPS and TIME(to fill 1 liter) values and calculations are done automaticaly.

Hm
Title: Re: Spikes Cell (Karebill Style Cell)
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 20, 2008, 19:38:06 pm
Lapperl

-The best wiring so far is pos to the two outside small tubes, and neg to the two inside big tubes.
-I kept to tubes separated with fish tank hose, Until I epoxied them.
-The pump is a bilge pump, From the boating store

Karebill

-your right, 3 series on the wiring, works the best.

mrgalleria

- With gas prices going up, You bet it's going into my car.

topsy

-Yes the water flows threw the center tube, And you're probable right about the current leakage. But I already have another design in my head, From what I've learned from building this cell. But first I'm installing this one in my car

hydrogenmask

-Thanks for the spreadsheet, I will be using it.
-My best results last night.
1.4lpm             
13.5vdc           
18.1amps         
244.35w         
5.73w/p/ml   
4teaspoon lye 
2 oz koh   
5/19/2008
pump off

Spike
Title: Re: Spikes Cell (Karebill Style Cell)
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 24, 2008, 06:25:33 am
 :'( I FRIED MY ALTERNATOR  :'(

I was charging a battery, When I had to leave. I turned the motor off, But didn't disconnect  the battery. And I guess that because I have my stator wired to my rotor, It shorted out. And my battery is dead also

Spike
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 24, 2008, 06:49:21 am
you hook direct Dc to a rotor, after a while it will get hot and LOOSE its resistance, then it will burn the copper coating from the rotor. are you sure you smoked the rotor? this is another good thing about pulsing it.

do you have a spare rotor? did it fry the diode pack? it shouldn't have. are you able to get another alternator?
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 24, 2008, 11:35:45 am
I bought one on ebay last night

Spike
Title: Re: Spikes Cell (Karebill Style Cell)
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 25, 2008, 03:22:04 am
 :-\ 4 Tube Karebill  :-\

I tried a 4 tube version with 1", 3/4", 1/2", and 1/4". It failed, BAD!  I lost about 1/2 of my efficiency, compared to my old tubes. My guess is there wasn't enough surface area on the anode. I made a three set, and used three off of the original for comparison.

At least we can learn from my mistake

Spike
Title: Re: Spikes Cell (Karebill Style 12 Cell)
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 28, 2008, 11:02:10 am
 ;D I'VE BEEN BUSY  ;D

While I'm waiting for my new alternator, Which should be here by thursday or friday.  I got busy building a new cell.
It's a 12 cell Karebill  14" x 4" x 8", It's killing me not to fire it up. I hope you like it.

Spike
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 28, 2008, 20:47:47 pm
That looks awesome!!! :o

It should fit right in the battery compartment.  Was that your plan? 
I like the large open manifolds on the ends.  That should even out the flow through the tubes.

I can't wait to see what it does!

LapperL
Title: Re: Spikes Cell (Karebill Style 12 Cell)
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 28, 2008, 21:10:09 pm
Lapperl

Thanks, You're close, I'm planning on removing the air cleaner box. And installing a K & N filter. The box is about the area of a good sized battery.
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 29, 2008, 04:11:30 am
daaam dude!  Very nice looking piece!  I like the windows!   ;D
My hats off to you if you make it seal. Because I know how big of a bitch that is.
Title: Re: Spikes Cell (Karebill Style 12 Cell)
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 03, 2008, 04:37:36 am
Thanks Hydro for the pointers

I put a 5" pulley on the motor, to get 3000 RPMs on the alternator. And pulsed 7.5 VDC at .5 amps to the rotor.

Unfortunately, w/o a pump, It will not run smoothly on tap water. It cavitates and burps out both ends. So I could not get an accurate reading.

But w/ 2 tsp lye, It will feed itself.  ;D

.8955 LPM or 67 sec/L
8.1 amps
12.2 VDC
98.82 watts
9.06 ml/min/watt
I haven't figured out the eff., But it has to be over 100

 ;D  Having fun in Georgia  ;D

Spike

Title: Re: Spikes Cell (Karebill Style 12 Cell)
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 03, 2008, 06:54:53 am
If I figured it right, The efficiency is 130.51  ???
Is that right?

Spike
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 03, 2008, 08:41:33 am
Very nice work spike question is each tube cell +n-
and again very good work ;)
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 03, 2008, 11:38:45 am
Pochintwin

It's  4 sets of 3, Each set is +nnnnnnn-

Spike
Title: Re: Spikes Cell (Karebill Style 12 Cell)
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 04, 2008, 01:17:59 am
 ;D Over a liter a min

I got it back over a liter/min, but gave up some efficiency

.8955 LPM or 67 sec/L               1.091 LPM or 55 sec/L
8.1 amps                                   11.8 amps
12.2 VDC                                   12.7 VDC
98.82 watts                                149.86 w
9.06 ml/min/watt                         7.28 ml/min/watt                       
7.5vdc .5amp to rotor                   4.5 vdc .7 amps to rotor

But I'm working on it.

Spike
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 04, 2008, 03:08:20 am
good work spike, im working on my cell right now...mmuuahahahaha
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 05, 2008, 22:41:01 pm
Here is how i built it
...
karebill build


The new one will be a dry cell as well.

I cut fishtank airline down the middle for spacing(1/16"), until I epoxied it. Give at least 1/8" for the epoxy to go down in between the tubes
Here are some pics

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=jgsc39&s=3
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2tshw&s=3
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=wildg6&s=3
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2yw7ih3&s=3
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2np6f&s=3
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2sbmzdh&s=3

It's best to epoxy the two tubes on the exit side first, before the outside tube is installed. Hope it helps.

Spike

Just trying to share  ;D
Title: Re: Spikes Cell (Karebill Style 12 Cell) NO ADDITIVES
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 08, 2008, 00:18:31 am
 ;D NO ADDITIVES  ;D

 ;D Straight tap h2o !!  ;D

674 ml/min or 89 sec/L
10.2 Amps
18.9 VDC
192.78 watts
3.496ml/min/watt
50.47 percent Faraday
4.5 VDC at 1 Amp to the rotor

Learning every day

Spike

P.S.  Does anyone have a 110 V 1hp 3400rpm motor for sale, Or a reasonable source.  This was pretty hard on my small motor
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 08, 2008, 00:38:33 am
harbor freight has them
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 08, 2008, 00:55:36 am
Tractor Supply also has them pretty cheap.  You can get a 2 hp 115V/230V  - 3450rpm for $139.00
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 08, 2008, 01:11:06 am
I see the one from Harbor Frieght for $139.99 plus shipping =$157.00
The one from Tractor Supply looks good, But I didn't see the speed, I have a tractor Supply 10 miles up the road. I'm going to check  ;D

Spike
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 08, 2008, 02:21:00 am
very good job spike! thats the best production i've heard without additives! pat yourself on the back!

Do you feel you could have done this without the alternator spike?
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 08, 2008, 02:23:22 am
Something about your setup is very special, i dont know if it be the alternator or cell setup, but its clearly hard to produce that with no additives! Find out why your setup works so good and improve it over a period of time...
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 08, 2008, 03:17:24 am
The next evolution is in the works. Gathering parts now.

Spike
Title: Re: Spikes Cell (Karebill Style 12 Cell) NO ADDITIVES
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 08, 2008, 04:22:58 am

Sorry guys  :'( , Their must have been some lye still left some where, But I flushed for about 4 or 5 minutes, And here are my results

697.67ml/min or 86sec/L
16.4 Amps
22.2 VDC
364.08 watts
1.916 ml/min/w
3 vdc at 1 amp to the rotor

After about 5 minutes, it starts to choke. I don't know if it is because of the motor, Or the water getting warm.  ???

Spike
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 26, 2008, 02:07:37 am
I has an experience where the bubbles get stuck in the middle of a double stacked cell. The top cell would get clogged at its intake(bottom) with bubbles and stop working right.
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 26, 2008, 03:01:57 am
I has an experience where the bubbles get stuck in the middle of a double stacked cell. The top cell would get clogged at its intake(bottom) with bubbles and stop working right.

Well actually, What it does is, The amount of large bubbles will cut back, And the flow slows down. creating more tiny bubble. like a white foam. If I have this problem with my new cell, I'll put a pump inline, To maintain circulation.

Spike
Title: Re: Spikes Cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 27, 2008, 01:23:00 am
Well actually, What it does is, The amount of large bubbles will cut back, And the flow slows down. creating more tiny bubble. like a white foam. If I have this problem with my new cell, I'll put a pump inline, To maintain circulation.

Spike

That will solve it