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Title: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 11, 2009, 14:51:56 pm
Hi guys
 yes I have put the first tests out on utube it is a crude piece of test equipment but i was not going to risk the real one on the first tes, this just shows the principals of it working




 power, water, and air   

 have a good look more to follow        hi Keith this looks promising 
aussepom
Title: Re: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 11, 2009, 14:57:36 pm
cool dude !!!!!!!!!!!!!

rock on !!!!
Title: Re: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 11, 2009, 14:59:41 pm
wow!

looking at the color it could be atomic hydrogen? radiant_1?
are the electrodes consumed or blackened after the test?
Title: Re: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 11, 2009, 15:29:11 pm
Hi alan and all

             No  the tip will get a little discolored, but hey that was just a 'knock up' when I was putting the tungsten rod in the 'no flame' i thought it was out and was going to 'light it' up again then the rod started glowing.

     now there was only a few drops of water going though may be a big few, but no big flow, well I have to go to bed and then go to work, it looks like its going to be another cold night and wet.
will be trying again tomorrow it's the last day that I have the 'power unit'.
aussepom
Title: Re: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 11, 2009, 15:32:44 pm
ok thanks
one last q for today, are you using primarily amps or voltage on the injector?
Title: Re: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 11, 2009, 21:47:13 pm
hi Alan

                    no I have hired a power unit for the moment, it is not the correct thing to use but it is the closes that I could get to try out before getting out of pocket on a very expensive piece of power equipment, I may still have to make a 'tailored one for the job'   

 I will not be giving away to much info at the moment I have to recover some costs, and some more to keep the whole thing going.
 I am just making some public awareness it has been a costly exercise,  the very crude test unit was to check before I power up the 'real' unit later today. 
aussepom
 
         
Title: Re: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 11, 2009, 22:18:28 pm
Hi guys
 yes I have put the first tests out on utube it is a crude piece of test equipment but i was not going to risk the real one on the first tes, this just shows the principals of it working


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LMRIcx-pm0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LMRIcx-pm0)


 power, water, and air   

 have a good look more to follow        hi Keith this looks promising 
aussepom

Hi Aussepom,
 
That looks nice, is it.
Well, done.
 
Question: i did also some tests. The conclusion was that an injector is working like an steaminjector. Water is vapourized, heated and expands.
 
What are your thoughts on that?
 
Steve
Title: Re: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 12, 2009, 01:10:02 am
What is going on in that video? 
Title: Re: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 12, 2009, 10:05:12 am
YES!!!!!!!
This is Atomic Hydrpgen...notice the emission spectrum...then notice how it is started. He uses a tungsten rod to arc across the gap...then the gas starts glowing. A short circuit arc is created (why Stan made the "amp inhibitor") there is then an abundance of electrons to support single atom hydrogen (Atomic, or nascent Hydrogen)

Thank you for sharing this video...!!!!

This is what Stan called "Thermal Explosive Energy"....It's incredibly hot and can be used in a heat exchanger. (ICEs are VERY inefficient heat exchangers)


Anyway, I like your progress Aussepom....glad you showed some evidence of Atomic Hydrogen's power....now maybe people will listen ;)

Title: Re: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 12, 2009, 11:23:21 am
if this is atomic hydrogen, aussepom must look like this ->>  8)
to protect the eyes against UV if that is released.

ok aussepom, i respect that, but are you willing to give away how much power was being pulled? Just to compare with the huge flame.
Title: Re: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 12, 2009, 15:31:57 pm
     
Hi guys
The next clip is up but it was disappointing that it did not go on longer but you learn as you go.    ::) ::) ;D ;D
 
 

aussepom 
Title: Re: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 12, 2009, 16:03:45 pm
Back to the workshop aussepom . :-\
Title: Re: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 12, 2009, 22:10:55 pm
    Hi all
 
     Well the short burst did prove some thing, it is no longer a theory, but it's now possible.
   
   I did learn a few things, main one DON'T WAVE YOUR HAND OVER THE HOLE,   :o :o :o :P   I know that I had switched it off, but a instinct reaction, some times the action is faster than the brain saying stop.
 
The power supply yes looked like a tig, but wasn't, it was a plasma cutter, WAIT I SHUT OFF SOME SAFETIES AND DONE SOME 'FIDDLEING' so don't just grab one and try it.
Now it was not the correct unit to use, ok on the small unit well sort of.
It was a DC unit fortunately I did not do to much damage to the prototype, just the $A80 electrode.  :'( :'( :'(
I may have to get another connection on the inside, but in all with the CORRECT power unit there should not be a problem.
The only one is the cost$A4-8,000, that’s out of my league.
There is another possibility, is that would be to modify the output of a DC plasma cutter supply, some of these at the moment are going for about $A600 to $A800, but the modification may cost $A300 to $A600. It would all have to be purpose made for the job, and that is if it is possible.
The other is to build a supply unit my self.
What I might do is to see if I can find a way to rebuild the little test unit so that it does not melt, this any one could build, to play around with.
Well that it for now I expect there will be many questions but hey it was a first, one thing is that it can be replicated with the full information on the build and the application.  [font=&quot]aussepom[/font]
Title: Re: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 13, 2009, 05:31:17 am
Very Nice Aussie. From my point of view it looks like to me that you're producing about 10 liters of an hydrogen jet HHO on demand. Your Flame is Clean and Blue, and its burn rate can be Determined by the flame color and length, and size of exit hole. My guess is you're producing 1 part oxygen and 2 part hydrogen, If you was to Slow down some of the gases, kill them off and reburn them your flame temp would drop. It's possible you can sustain a slow burning flam like propan.

Here is something you may find useful. Remember to read the entire patent so you can see how it operates, Its pretty neat considering it is from the 1800's.
Title: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 18, 2009, 08:00:06 am
Hi Radiant
                          yes, if you also read up on 'metal spaying' that is another way do do this but I found that the induction type uses a lot of power, it is a totally different way of producing a 'plasma field''
I had a look at the VASMIR VX 100 and 200 vids, now that is a bit bigger one than mine, but the same type of principal. look at the flame color and the center, it looks very familiar.
see what you think.
I see that you have done some studying as well, like your thinking, have you done much experimenting?
aussepom
Title: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 18, 2009, 14:35:05 pm
Hi guys did you find that interesting?
I like this bit
Quote
However, we are now in the fortunate situation that we do possess the data of Langmuir’s findings, which
can be combined with today’s technological know-how. The obvious direction in which to look is the same
direction that seems to have been the fundamental reason for Langmuirs discoveries having been swept
under the carpet: CLEAN AND ABUNDANT ENERGY.  end quote

will people now believe that it is possible, it will not get swept under the rug this time.

if you create an arc in a high velocity air or gas stream, the air or gas will ionize, this will give you a path for current to travel, all you need then is to maintain this plasma field is to keep it running.

How ever plasma welders/cutters are only designed for shot runs at full power rating, you can get 100% if you cut the current dramatically.
So you have to come up with a way to do this.
Most machines are DC the one that is required to do the job better is was is called an AC machine,  it is not just AC like off the mains, it is an RF rated output.
I will be repairing the unit over the next two weeks and doing a modification from the data I got from the 'burn'  this should then give me a controlled start up.
I am investigating my options on another source of a power supply, but the shortage of dollars is holding things back, after two and a half years what another two or thre weeks.
aussepom







Title: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 19, 2009, 00:36:49 am
Aussepom
ok im confused... a scr is a diode that is not a regular diode..it is one with a built in gate..
it doesnt just have a cathode and a anode.. it also has a  gate post too. this one is rated for 600 volts  125 amps and high speed switching..  stan shows these in his patents.. he sends a signal to the scr gate through a octocoupler..  he would use that gated scr signal to tune into the chokes resonance. i think..  thanks for your input..

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Title: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 19, 2009, 06:54:17 am
Hi outlawstc

yes the gate will turn it on, but once it is on, you have to cut the power to it to turn it off, or use another scr to turn it off, it is just a controlled 'on switch' you can if done correctly with two scr's turn them on and off quickly, but you if  do it with AC you get a half wave output, and then when the AC goes in the negative direction it turns off, then you can turn it on again.  just think of it as a 'electronic' on switch', now if you delay the turn on time it will only turn on for the time left in that cyle.  that is how you can get a varied amount of power, but only in the positive half, if you use only one scr.
there are many ways that they can be used.
aussepom
Title: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 19, 2009, 14:24:57 pm
Aussepom ,

this is info i have gathered from wiki,

In the normal "off" state, the device restricts current to the leakage current (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_leakage_current). When the gate to cathode voltage exceeds a certain threshold, the device turns "on" and conducts current. The device will remain in the "on" state even after gate current is removed so long as current through the device remains above the holding current (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holding_current). Once current falls below the holding current for an appropriate period of time, the device will switch "off".

when they speak of remaining above the holding current, wouldnt a resistive bifillar choke on the output side cause a drop in the holding current causeing it to switch off with the use of only one scr?

im not trying to debate im just trying to understand why stan shows he uses only one in the circuit..

thanks,

outlawstc
Title: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 19, 2009, 15:39:10 pm
Hi outlawstc
 
 every thing there ok, the holding current is the minimum current through the SCR, you would have to look it up on the particular SCR.  normally when the ac goes though the zero point to go negative it will turn off, or if you shut the poer off.
aussepom
Title: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 19, 2009, 15:42:31 pm
Hi guys I mean no dis respect but Steve set this up for the oz injector not a discussion on O3.
aussepom
Title: Re: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 20, 2009, 06:55:39 am
Hi there guys
                          Now neither of the units the little test one or the prototype, are any thing like Myer's injector.
Now some of you may have see the very first drawing that I put on the net, and that the way it was draw may have looked similar. That is no longer the case, as was with the Myer injector that had problems as well.
So I did a re-design, and there were issues with making it really small due to what is possible, with materials and machines to do what was require.
So not only the size changed but the internal.
The small unit I am looking at rebuilding out of some thing that will not melt, I will be willing to share this with you later, so that you all can 'play around'.
it is not just a case of pushing water through an arc, that will not work successfully either.
now I was told yesterday by my 'boss' who turned up at my hose and said 'don't come Monday'
so thing may take a little longer, but I still have a few tricks to play that may get me another 'burn'
Another item, water and air was mixed in one pare yes, this is the only control that you will have to vary the 'flame' if full water you would see a giant flame 400 ltrs a second of burning 'gas mix' coming out, this would give out a heat rating of 3mega watts of heat energy.
I hope that clears up a few items.
aussepom


 
Title: Re: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 20, 2009, 07:34:09 am
I know air contains 78% nitrogen, and some argon. So, I am not so sure what argon is, I'm assuming it is used in neon lamps? So I'm thinking it isn't explosive. So we have now Argon and Nitrogen, neither explosive, and Oxygen, With some other unknown to me gases.

It seems to me you're slowing the burn rate down when you mix air?

I am more interested in how you are delivering the water. What sorta pressure is on it if any. Another interesting thing is, Do you use some sort of Metering device. Metering devices are usually an expansion valve, orfus tube, or any device that Bust the refrigerant as it exits. So, did you bust something from a higher pressure down to an ambient, or lower pressure?

I would also like to note your Water Temp before this Injector, Did you take any special procedures to alter the waters temp before your system would work? Did you let the cool tap water become room temp, or?



You May already know this, Water under vacuum will lower the Boiling Temperature, I'm pretty sure you know this due to our past coversations. It is pretty neat because the lower the vacuum on the Liquid of any type, the lower the Boiling Point required. A video on Youtube will show water under vacuum Boiling, Then freezing.

Take a Syringe, Fill it 1,4th of the way with water. Pull back, Let go. OR OR fill it 1.4th, Bang the syringe on something.
Pull back a second time, you can See the water boiling at a very low temp due to the low pressure. Boiling doesn't necessarily meant HOT.
Title: Re: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 20, 2009, 23:10:18 pm
    Hi Warp
                       Air 78% Nirogen. 15%Oxygen , then there is water H2O , this contains Hydrogen and Oxgen.
 
One litre of water by volume as you should know, is 66.666%Hydrogen, 33.333%Oxygen
Nitrogen is an inert gas,  but is used to form a plasma arc
 
The     Tadahiko Mizumo , and Molliner  used the principal of creating an arc under water, the WW2 diver and most other divers when welding underwater are doing the same thing.
 Tadahiko Mizumo , and Molliner  are going to all the trouble to separate and collect the hydrogen.
Well to me I have a different approach, WHY BOTHER TO COLLECT IT so imagine doing that but all the gasses come out and are ignighted.
Now one litre of water as you should already know contains as above percentages, equates to 2065lts in total of the combined mixture.
Now we have fuel, Hydrogen, you need Oxygen for it to burn, we have that, the Nitrogen is use to form a plasma, ignition.   Woosh you have 2065ltrs of flaming gas for every litre you put though, at 12 ltrs a min even at a conservative estimate at 180 or 219btu per cubic foot is still a lot 3Mega Watts of heat energy, but if it is what we think it may be a lot more by far.
BUT IT IS NOT HYDROXCY as you see from the documentation, at 3,700deg C water goes 'ballistic' for want of a better word, but it enter theforth state of matter[/color[/color]
The plasma is at any where from 10 to 50,000deg Kelvin
Well maybe you may see what I mean.
aussepom
Title: Re: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 21, 2009, 06:12:55 am
You are a Pisces aren't you
Title: Re: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 21, 2009, 07:04:16 am
hi Warp no Gemini
aussepom
Title: Re: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 21, 2009, 07:41:39 am
From my understandings, you hold more knowledge than I. I have learned Nobody can follow me, I also find it hard to follow you, I am surprised to see this. It would be a privilege to see you continue your work. I'll watch, and try and keep up.

There's something about you, I got that feeling about Stan to. I've narrowed him down to being a licensed hvac tech, But he has also been threw many schools for many different things as well., Not sure of hvac with Stan, nowhere to confirm it. You're alive so I can simply ask you here, (yay) How did you get all this knowledge, What field gave you this boost if you don't mind me asking?

This time of this year, I do not have very much time to test anything. Right now I am paving the road for my future setting this tech aside, I have to become something or my future will be dim. So I understand your Time issue about not being able to do this 24/7. It will be at least 2 years before I can go hard core, Meanwhile I will gain knowledge, test with what little time I have to do so, and hope.
Title: Re: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 23, 2009, 10:31:22 am
HRMM...... HIS COMPUTER MUST BE BROKEN AGAIN
Title: Re: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 24, 2009, 01:29:21 am


    Hi Warp
                       Air 78% Nirogen. 15%Oxygen , then there is water H2O , this contains Hydrogen and Oxgen.
 
One litre of water by volume as you should know, is 66.666%Hydrogen, 33.333%Oxygen
Nitrogen is an inert gas,  but is used to form a plasma arc
 
The     Tadahiko Mizumo , and Molliner  used the principal of creating an arc under water, the WW2 diver and most other divers when welding underwater are doing the same thing.
 Tadahiko Mizumo , and Molliner  are going to all the trouble to separate and collect the hydrogen.
Well to me I have a different approach, WHY BOTHER TO COLLECT IT so imagine doing that but all the gasses come out and are ignighted.
Now one litre of water as you should already know contains as above percentages, equates to 2065lts in total of the combined mixture.
Now we have fuel, Hydrogen, you need Oxygen for it to burn, we have that, the Nitrogen is use to form a plasma, ignition.   Woosh you have 2065ltrs of flaming gas for every litre you put though, at 12 ltrs a min even at a conservative estimate at 180 or 219btu per cubic foot is still a lot 3Mega Watts of heat energy, but if it is what we think it may be a lot more by far.
BUT IT IS NOT HYDROXCY as you see from the documentation, at 3,700deg C water goes 'ballistic' for want of a better word, but it enter theforth state of matter[/color[/color]
The plasma is at any where from 10 to 50,000deg Kelvin
Well maybe you may see what I mean.
aussepom



Great work aussepom...
 
 after my failures with the alternator setup this has got my interest again.
 
 Can you lemme know how to mix water with compressed air? Or any one else who knows something about mixing compressed air with water like a spray paint mixer?
 
  I have access to an air compressor and a plasma torch power supply...this should not be  that difficult for me to try out.
 
 Is there anything i can buy off the shelf , cause I want to create a steady state of pressurized water mist first....before messing with the power supply.
 
 thanks
Title: Re: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 31, 2009, 07:24:13 am
Hello aussepom

came upon this post while searching for oz injector on google.

http://www.ideaconnection.com/funding-requests/11478-Oz-Injector.html (http://www.ideaconnection.com/funding-requests/11478-Oz-Injector.html)


Was wondering if you have come across this.

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-63013523.html (http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-63013523.html)

http://www.fandmmag.com/print/Fabricating-and-Metalworking/MOVING-TOWARDS-A-BETTER-WORKPLACE/1$3340

http://www.thermadyne.com/IM_Uploads/DocLib_2057_WMS.pdf (http://www.thermadyne.com/IM_Uploads/DocLib_2057_WMS.pdf)


Looks like these guys are doing something similar to what you already are doing...the only difference is they are using nitrogen as shielding gas and using a custom nozzle to mix it with water while you are just using compressed air + water mix as the plasma carrier.

End product they claim is water after water mist breaks down to hho and then recombines.

How much power does your set up consume when generating the bunsen burner flame?
Title: Re: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 31, 2009, 11:38:02 am
He hasn't logged in since the 27th, so givem time i guess?
Title: Re: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 31, 2009, 15:06:02 pm
I read a while back, on another site, where a guy was testing plasma spark in a cylinder, watching through a heavy clear panel, to see what was happening.

  He would put 100 pounds of air pressure in the cylinder, and then, fire it with the spark plug. He was simulating an engine cylinder, under compression.

  He was using "dry" air, from a painters compressor, that had a dryer in the intake to the tank.

  One day, the painter was gone, so, the guy used the standard shop compressor. After the 100 pounds of pressure, he fired it off, and blew the clear panel completely off the cylinder. Scared the hell out of him, and, he couldn't hear for several days.

  Looks to me like, not a LOT of water mist is necessary ???

  Isn't this statement similar to Hydrocars statement, "it doesn't take volumes of gas to run an engine" ???
Title: Re: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 31, 2009, 23:00:48 pm
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fandmmag.com%2Fprint%2FFabricating-and-Metalworking%2FMOVING-TOWARDS-A-BETTER-WORKPLACE%2F1%243340&ei=kVlzSp-oOoTSNc2gkLEM&rct=j&q=water+mist+secondary+plasma&usg=AFQjCNGFTAmvRhmYjoF2fHPeuwGWNc5I9A
Title: Re: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 02, 2009, 03:45:09 am
Hi guys
                    just quickly  have a look it is just a short piece of one of the two runs that whent6 over 15min a run


will catch up shortly
aussepom
Title: Re: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 02, 2009, 10:21:51 am
Hi guys
                    just quickly  have a look it is just a short piece of one of the two runs that whent6 over 15min a run


will catch up shortly
aussepom

Hi Aussepom,

Thanks for sharing the video's. It shows a lot of power. Almost like a laserbeam, is it.
When are you going to try to see how much thrust/propulsion this injector can deliver?

Steve
Title: Re: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 03, 2009, 16:19:16 pm
Hi guys
                    the latest and there may be a while before any more I have to inspect the unit.

                   

  hope you enjoy
aussepom
Title: Re: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 03, 2009, 16:31:34 pm
Looks great when you got it toned down and your tuning it in better.
Very nice!
Title: Re: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 05, 2009, 15:22:03 pm
    Hi guys
 
                    Here some information
 
          When is running in part 4 as shown here in this still, this is how I think that the unit is running at its best, and is nearly all 'free running'.
Power draw at this time is :-
For the unit, 960watts, the compressor 2.2kw, a total of 3.16kW from the grid.
Water flow, total 10cc per second, calculated loss 1.7cc per sec, worst 3.4cc per sec.
So we have 50ccm and 40ccm per second being converted.
From special engineering program, used for a large number of gasses that can be mixed in any proportion to give the btu.
This gave two rating, after conversion to kW we have the following.
Maximum amount of gas mixture that can be got from 10cc per sec is 37ccm per sec.
At 50cc  211 to 254kj/sec   that is 211 to 254kW of heat energy.
kwh's = 3600 x 211 = 759,600kwh's
                      x 254 = 914,400kwh's
 
worst case
40cc     169 to 203kj/sec  = 169kw to 203kw of heat energy.
   

So input power 3.16kw worst 5.13kw
Output heat energy  169 to 254kw heat energy   

How do like them stats ?   ::) ::) ::) ::)
aussepom   
Title: Re: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 05, 2009, 18:27:35 pm
let me lauch this prodcut and I'll donate to the cause :)

Great numbers if they are legit , are they legit , are your extra sure ?
Title: Re: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 05, 2009, 21:25:20 pm
love them stats, great work Aussepom.   ::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 05, 2009, 21:52:37 pm
Great numbers if they are legit , are they legit , are your extra sure ?
this.


also congrats! nice!
also with kwh's you mean Joule it can produce in an hour right?
Title: Re: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 06, 2009, 02:30:36 am
Hi Danki
                     look they may be a bit UNDERRATED,  I have used an engineering figs, the only ones that they will accept, until I can get some better data, hope fully the smaller unit will do this, now I know that I can make a smaller one, I was not sure before, it is all new stuff. I had a design, and stuck with it and built it. now I was only putting through 600cc per min (10cc per sec), but with the losses the best would have only been 8.3cc and I went as low as 6.6cc.  The btu value was converted to kj/sec, this is the same as kW. I use a special table used for gas turbines, it can give you all the gas mixes any way you like, and turn it into btu.
Now if the water has gone into a higher state then the temp of the flame will be over 2,800deg C the core plasma temp is over 5,000deg C closer to 10,000deg C and that is very conservative. That is why you see the 'red sparks' this is molten mild steel.
I hope that helps,  just think if I was at an industrial factory, and got it up to full power, it would be around 700litres a second coming out not 50cc a second.
aussepom
Title: Re: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 08, 2009, 15:44:17 pm
Hi Guys
                     who of you is near Alexandria, Louisiana, there is a chance I may be coming there, well may be another place not sure yet.
 let you know more later.
aussepom
Title: Re: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 16, 2009, 15:59:08 pm
Hi guys the latest one I played with in on the tube the pipe injector MKII

aussepom
Title: Re: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 16, 2009, 19:25:06 pm
Thats looks like a lot of power, Aussepom!

Can you make some kind of tube with a Cork that you can blow away?
I am so curious about the power of that injector. ;)


Steve
Title: Re: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 18, 2009, 16:20:39 pm
    Hi Steve and to you all
  I have learnt so much over the last few weeks testing out both styles of the 'Injectors' we should really call them, as I have done to some parties, 'energy conversion units' if some one now asks what the unit is or does this is what I have been telling them,  so the 'Oz Injector' would then be a 'brand name'.
I have been repairing the main 'Oz Injector', and upgrading the 'pipe injector', since it blew a hole in the side. We have now a MKIII pipe injector, soon this will be upgraded again and will have similar workings to the main unit.
What this 'pipe injector is for, if I can get it into a stable running mode, is so I can run calorific tests, we have the set up now to do this.
How ever the main 'Oz Injector' may have a different output, and may completely burn though the whole thing if it was to run as it should.
What I will be also doing is finding out what would be the minimum power supply required, that I would need for the 'pipe injector'. This is not the correct supply, this is why it is an 'intermittent' in some of it's operation. It may look to you a continuous run, I do not mean where I edited it, this is a positive going square wave, or 'intermittent DC', 'chopped DC' depending how you look at it, it also a PWM supply.  I all ready have some idea what I need, and then I will have to tap into some rich supply of funds. That is now a possibility, if I can get some information that can be shown to the 'norm engineers', 'how can you get out more than you put in', they a crying at the moment, but they already know that water has a large energy that could be released, many will not admit to it. Water in another form has already sent us to the moon and is still sending up the space shuttle, 'Oh but that is different' is there cry.
So stuff them all lets keep thinking 'outside the box'.
So after the weekend, the MKIII pipe injector may be tested.
aussepom     
Title: Re: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 19, 2009, 03:20:20 am
i decided to go for a stroll outside the box for a little while.. just got back...

my goal was to write an essay explaining my idea of how can you get out more then you put in..

to understand energy you must understand two divine motions/ or actions condensing (to compress) and expansion ( to expand)  one must also understand time and how a process of expansion and compression can be speed up or slowed down by acting external forces or mass in its local environment of space. 

there is allways a 2 way (bidirectional trade occurring while this expansion and contracting is in action.. for atoms such as hydrogen and oxygen  to create thermal explosive energy there is a implosion of energy occurring simultaneously the electron or electrons are imploding in search of closer unity with imbalanced protons giving the release of photon radiant energy..

 the more resistance there is to the recombination of electrons to create balance. the slower they rejoin and the lower the frequency output.... in our relative space we understand that lower frequency of output are the more powerful ones in our relative dimension for broadcasting power.. compared to the higher frequency's if I'm not mistaken stated by Tesla....

to slow down the covalent lock up of hydrogen and oxygen  can be done by adding non combustables to the fuel gas.. by allowing non combustables to be introduced in the fuel gas the hydrogens  will link up to them.. the more recirculated non combustables are available to link to the hydrogens of  the fuel gas the more retarded the flame will be due to resistance during ignition.. by providing non combustables to the mix is like introducing a resistor in a circuit..

the potential is still there but its path of hydrogen to rejoin oxygen during combustion just became harder since the non combustable resistively retards the timing for the rejoining during ignition.  this outputs a lower frequency which is beneficial as thermal energy in our dimension..

understanding this we can say we have slowed down time in the process of hydrogen and oxygen atoms recombining  and balancing. it was delayed due to the battle of the non combustables and oxygens for hydrogens during igniting.. the force that is driving this fight and delayed covalent link up is voltage(potential charge). 

now lets jump to the atomic dimension..  if we know that voltage is what drives the reaction  could it be possible to introduce your own voltage fields and alter the electrons motions.. maybe override the amplitude of potential present in the water molecule?.. is it possible to create such a high present potential to displace the electrons?

now what if our present potential  was able to build up and maintain a balance polarity across water.. meaning both plates having the vice versa charge..with balance opposite potentials 180 out from each other, would that give you a advantage of working both sides of the forces in the fight?.. pushing the electron and pulling resulting with a unidirectional double force?

the most important question is can the actions of voltage react with relative spacetime.. like for instance the polarization process is nothing more then a device that can speed up relative time in a capacitance....  it has nothing to do with trying to understand how your getting more energy from something then you had to use to get it.. it has to do with the advantage of being able to speed up reactions with balanced potentials allowing water to create its own oscillation as it fights to hold equilibrium. ......          in order to time travel or to create a increase excited state of space there is no book saying it requires amps to do it.  so all in all one must look at it like time was sped up in relative space where the separation process takes place while it was retarded and slowed down in the combustion process.. other advantages in waters output in a combustion process is that it supplies its own oxygen to catalyze its reaction rather then being dependent on the scarace 20 something percent present in our earths atmosphere that we rely on to breath

hope this can help you with your explanations.. just a different perspective of trying to under stand why its possible.
Title: Re: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 20, 2009, 00:27:01 am
where are your carbons coming from that you say will link up with the hydrogen?If your only burning the hydrogen and oxygen from water,there isn't any carbon.And I don't think you'll find any in the air being used either.Thats the whole beauty of burning water,NO CARBON OUTPUT!!!.
Title: Re: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 20, 2009, 05:59:56 am
Hi Dynodon
                           not sure what you mean, I did not say any thing about linking up with carbons? that as you say is the whole point 'no carbons'.
aussepom
Title: Re: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 20, 2009, 06:07:30 am
Hi Dynodon
                           not sure what you mean, I did not say any thing about linking up with carbons? that as you say is the whole point 'no carbons'.
aussepom

Aussepom , does this thing make steam ?
 
What if you took that steam and put it through a hv field , can we  turn steam in HHO and re-run another motor ?
Title: Re: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 20, 2009, 13:30:23 pm
Hi Danki
                      Well that is a debatable point, if in you mix the only ingredients, are  water and a little air, the int would be steam, but not just steam, if water goes past super critical water, it is normally in a confined pipe or cylinder, and providing that there is no air in the water the pressure will be extremely high.  if it is steam then at the  temperature of 374deg C it be comes super critical steam, this to will be at a very high pressure, this pressure can be got from steam tables. How ever this is at low pressure and not confined, and then goes though a change of state due to the high temperature that it is passed though. this causes a very rapid expansion, and in creases the velocity, to me this then forces the water /air mix, into the 4th state of water, into plasma.  as far as I know, above 700 deg C the water or steam whatever starts to changing, some where after 2,800degsC water/steam fully disassociates. if it is then in temperatures after 4,000deg C it starts going into a plasma. If water is fed into this it will continually 'burn' with little or no extra help.
I will not debate this or keep a whole lot of theories going, not on this thread, but this is the aim and object of the 'Oz Injector' to get it running in a steady state at this 'plasma' level.
I have shown that it is possible, many of the 'normal thinking engineers and others' will say different. The next thing is to try and get some calorific values and some more steady reliable stats.
aussepom
Title: Re: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 22, 2009, 01:19:00 am
Sorry Aussepom,I was responding to Outlast's post.
Title: Re: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 16, 2009, 13:25:32 pm
Hi guy I have been busy, off to China shortly and then to the USA if thigs go ok, it seems the job over there is in LA, and also Colorardo some where. more on this later.
Have any of you go a use for 'Cold Plasma' at the moment it seems that is what I have, but I will have to do some modifications to get a 'hot plasma'.
aussepom
Title: Re: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 20, 2009, 11:47:08 am
hi
         update, these guys change there mind faster than the weather, the first job seems to be in Philadelphia, first I will keep you posted
aussepom
Title: Re: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 20, 2009, 13:36:05 pm
hi
         update, these guys change there mind faster than the weather, the first job seems to be in Philadelphia, first I will keep you posted
aussepom

Ok, Aussepom. Good luck with the job hunt!

Steve
Title: Re: oz injector goes public
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 03, 2010, 14:54:11 pm
Hi guys    well I will be showing you some enlightening pics and an explanation why the Oz Injector’ or the now new ‘energy conversion unit’  I will explain another day, I have had to redo my computer and lost most of my passwords to get in any where, and now I have to re load windows again, my son a computer guy, has said it could take up to four goes before you get a ‘clean’ one as he calls it.
So look out for some fun shots, I showed the at our group Tuesday and it seems that no one to play with the stuff now,  why well it about Murphy’s law, and things go wrong.
aussepom