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Daniel Dingle => Daniel Dingle => Topic started by: electrojolt on May 19, 2009, 00:50:34 am

Title: Daniel Dingle Patent Found
Post by: Hidden on May 19, 2009, 00:50:34 am
Look what I found!!!

It does not say much, but there is one thing that called my attention.

see if you find it.
Title: Re: Daniel Dingle Patent Found
Post by: Hidden on May 19, 2009, 06:31:01 am
roflmao ;D
Title: Re: Daniel Dingle Patent Found
Post by: Hidden on May 19, 2009, 06:56:58 am
the only things that caught my eyes was he repeats him self twice in the last 2 parapraphs and when he states "water is seperated into oxygen and hydrogen using a unique combonation of metallurgical, electric, and design inventions.." 

first off what does he mean by design inventions?
second off.. lets look into the word metallurgical

Metallurgical techniques
Metallography allows the metallurgist to study the microstructure of metals.

Metallurgists study the microscopic and macroscopic properties using metallography, a technique invented by Henry Clifton Sorby. In metallography, an alloy of interest is ground flat and polished to a mirror finish. The sample can then be etched to reveal the microstructure and macrostructure of the metal. A metallurgist can then examine the sample with an optical or electron microscope and learn a great deal about the sample's composition, mechanical properties, and processing history.

now there is also Crystallography  (remember silicon in stainless)
Crystallography, often using diffraction of x-rays or electrons, is another valuable tool available to the modern metallurgist. Crystallography allow the identification of unknown materials and reveals the crystal structure of the sample. Quantitative crystallography can be used to calculate the amount of phases present as well as the degree of strain to which a sample has been subjected.
Title: Re: Daniel Dingle Patent Found
Post by: Hidden on May 19, 2009, 07:03:54 am
That is not what I noticed..

The thing that called my attention was the part saying that some unsuded hydrogen is re-captured from the exaust...

Not sure if that can happen when using hydrogen on a ICE, but I did see several of Dingle's videos where there was exaust gas boubling into the cell.
Title: Re: Daniel Dingle Patent Found
Post by: Hidden on May 19, 2009, 09:56:41 am
That is a very poor written patent....

Yes, it is interesting to read that Dingle thinks that there will be some hydrogen left after combustion.
Not sure if that is the case, because it is very flamable stuff, as we all know by now...
But maybe the proces inside the engine delivers some stuff that we are not aware off.

With Dingle, i always had the idea that he used the plates from a battery......

br
Steve
Title: Re: Daniel Dingle Patent Found
Post by: Hidden on May 19, 2009, 15:03:00 pm
Very poor patent indid.

Now this brings up another point:

You don't need much to get a patent approved.
Title: Re: Daniel Dingle Patent Found
Post by: Hidden on May 19, 2009, 15:57:36 pm
i wouldnt go as fas as saying you dont need much for a patent.. that patent looks as if its missing alot.. stuff they dont want public right now maybe..

hydro has always said that are cars are the most wastefull in non efficient machine made.. i think i see where he is coming from.. gasoline is nothin more hten carbon and hydrogen as we all know..   i would say the reason why we are so wasteful is no matter what earths air doesnt have enough oxy in it to fully catalize the fuel and burn it completely..thats why we have a catalitic converter to try to burn off the rest..  thats also why they make super chargers and air blowers for performance..

now stans uses a fuel source that gives its own oxy on a even ratio per hydrogens capable of catalizing to neutral after ignition..so no matter what you know you are supplying enough oxygen to complete the burn.. now heres somthing that popped in my head yeasterday.. no one really has spoken about the butterfly gate stan uses on the intake... this butterfly gate i would say is restricting airflow of the ambient air.. createing a more present vacuum in the intake.. since i dont think mass airflow is required like gasolines non oxygen supplying capabilities
Title: Re: Daniel Dingle Patent Found
Post by: Hidden on May 21, 2009, 02:54:06 am

now stans uses a fuel source that gives its own oxy on a even ratio per hydrogens capable of catalizing to neutral after ignition..so no matter what you know you are supplying enough oxygen to complete the burn.. now heres somthing that popped in my head yeasterday.. no one really has spoken about the butterfly gate stan uses on the intake... this butterfly gate i would say is restricting airflow of the ambient air.. createing a more present vacuum in the intake.. since i dont think mass airflow is required like gasolines non oxygen supplying capabilities

Dynodon I hope your reading this  as you have seen this firsthand.

I was thinking of the air processor and started looking at the photo of Stan's latest stuff (injectors, solenoids, laser distributor, butterfly air gate, etc.

Is the air(gas) processor under vacuum...where is the butterfly air gate located?

I know at least one of the photos makes it look like the air(gas) processor is sucking air directly in, but I know that's not right without an air filter. 

This is on my mind right now and I'm posting this before I go looking through the photos again, but it's stuck in my mind and I think it's important to know where that butterfly air gate is located because there's no reason not to just use the carb butterfly gate if the air processor isn't under vacuum.

Mikemongo
Title: Re: Daniel Dingle Patent Found
Post by: Hidden on May 21, 2009, 08:43:32 am
@Outlaw
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hydro has always said that are cars are the most wastefull in non efficient machine made.. i think i see where he is coming from.. gasoline is nothin more hten carbon and hydrogen as we all know..   i would say the reason why we are so wasteful is no matter what earths air doesnt have enough oxy in it to fully catalize the fuel and burn it completely..thats why we have a catalitic converter to try to burn off the rest..  thats also why they make super chargers and air blowers for performance..

The reason ICE engines are inefficient are for two reasons, first is the incomplete burn...but this is because car companies do not "Atomize" the fuel (look up fuel oil backpacking stoves), instead they use a fuel injector to spray tiny drops (many many molecules)....then they restrict airflow with crappy intakes. It's not because there isn't enough O2...it's because the physicality of the dimensions and poor air flow, mixed with too big of drops to completely burn (the intense heat from a complete burn would need to be addressed too)
Secondly, the "Prime Mover" in the system is heat transfer (expanding air). Most of that heat energy we make is just wasted OUT THE TAILPIPE.

All cars need to "atomize" (literally means single atoms/single molecules...easiest way is with heat) their fuel first...then the exhaust needs to be fashioned much like a radiator...have that radiator section boiling water for the turbine to then create high voltage energy for the production of hydrogen/oxygen, and surplus energy/electricity for w/e!   ;D  In fact this is what Dingel needed to do, his car starts on gasoline then is switched over. This is how the GEET system works too!!

@Mikemongo

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Dynodon I hope your reading this  as you have seen this firsthand.

I was thinking of the air processor and started looking at the photo of Stan's latest stuff (injectors, solenoids, laser distributor, butterfly air gate, etc.

Is the air(gas) processor under vacuum...where is the butterfly air gate located?

I know at least one of the photos makes it look like the air(gas) processor is sucking air directly in, but I know that's not right without an air filter.

This is on my mind right now and I'm posting this before I go looking through the photos again, but it's stuck in my mind and I think it's important to know where that butterfly air gate is located because there's no reason not to just use the carb butterfly gate if the air processor isn't under vacuum.

Mikemongo

Stan's Gas Processor does sit on top the manifold, above the butterfly. (No carb...Gas proc.... throttle body/air intake...then gas injectors
Since the Gas Proc. is on the intake it experiences a vacuum...the same vacuum that sucks air in through the carburetor. (It was pictured w/o a filter is all...I have patents where the filters there.)

31 is the filter
32 is a restricting device (solenoid valve)
20 is the Gas Proc
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w152/Jdub6d9/Untitled-1-2.jpg)

(This is kinda in the wrong thread...but I wanted to address this too...)
Title: Re: Daniel Dingle Patent Found
Post by: Hidden on May 21, 2009, 09:35:49 am
http://www.newobjective.com/electrospray/

There was a patent allowed for a fuel injector for  gasoline that revolved around this . Let me remember that patent , I made a post of this on OUpower.com

It was a replacement for the spark-plug and was itself a spark plug at the same time .
Title: Re: Daniel Dingle Patent Found
Post by: Hidden on May 21, 2009, 09:42:19 am
http://www.youtube.com/user/wwwshark

The process itself is called : electro spray ionization

It is used is mass spectroscopy .
Title: Re: Daniel Dingle Patent Found
Post by: Hidden on May 21, 2009, 09:52:31 am
That's a beautiful spray!...Ya we need injectors like that in our cars.

The way I was thinking was like this
http://www.hiking-gear-and-equipment-used-* -Stove.jpg (http://www.hiking-gear-and-equipment-used-* -Stove.jpg)

See the tube running over the burner? When you start it up it spurts out a stream of liquid fuel oil. It go to a lil wick and light like an oil lamp. The heat quickly raises in the tube (carrying the fuel oil) the heat changes the fuel to a gas and gives you a clean burn. That is "Atomization"
Title: Re: Daniel Dingle Patent Found
Post by: Hidden on May 21, 2009, 10:37:12 am
How come my above post isn't showing up? Took me forever to word it and get links/images...and, it says the stuff is in there when i go to edit it ???

Sorry Radiant. That sometimes happens. I am looking into it..
Did you had a youtube link in there?

Br
Steve
Title: Re: Daniel Dingle Patent Found
Post by: Hidden on May 21, 2009, 13:58:25 pm
Ya it had two youtube links...I tried taking em out and it still didn't show up...


Ha, i know. When you write a post, you see many button above, for fat, underline etc etc.
You must use the button left under, when you wanna add a youtube link.
It looks like a white square, with a red v
When you use that, you can put yr youtube link in the code....

br
Steve
Title: Re: Daniel Dingle Patent Found
Post by: Hidden on May 22, 2009, 19:01:35 pm


According to DanielDingel.com there is no patent :  http://danieldingel.com/node/15

But this page is explaining some of the patent : http://www.jcmiras.net/jcm/item/75/

Dingle mentioned vacuum :
eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fdanieldingel%2Ecom%2Fwatercar&feature=player_embedded

 :-\


Title: Re: Daniel Dingle Patent Found
Post by: Hidden on May 22, 2009, 20:02:10 pm


According to DanielDingel.com there is no patent :  http://danieldingel.com/node/15

But this page is explaining some of the patent : http://www.jcmiras.net/jcm/item/75/

Dingle mentioned vacuum :
eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fdanieldingel%2Ecom%2Fwatercar&feature=player_embedded

 :-\




Well, something is not right because as you can see here it is, his patent
Title: Re: Daniel Dingle Patent Found
Post by: Hidden on May 23, 2009, 04:13:38 am
this is not a patent this is an application for a patent  which is generally a breif one page description of what the patent pending will be     you can tell this by looking at the id number it is followed by A1 if it were a patent it would be B1

also application has a statment to federal sponsored research in claim 002    meaning  if it were ever issue it would be free to everyone and only credit for the invention and not ownership would be granted to dingle 
Title: Re: Daniel Dingle Patent Found
Post by: Hidden on May 23, 2009, 05:23:55 am
this is not a patent this is an application for a patent  which is generally a breif one page description of what the patent pending will be     you can tell this by looking at the id number it is followed by A1 if it were a patent it would be B1

also application has a statment to federal sponsored research in claim 002    meaning  if it were ever issue it would be free to everyone and only credit for the invention and not ownership would be granted to dingle 


HAHA, that explains the poor document.

Thanks Dudley for clearing that up.
Title: Re: Daniel Dingle Patent Found
Post by: Hidden on May 23, 2009, 10:45:37 am
this is not a patent this is an application for a patent  which is generally a breif one page description of what the patent pending will be     you can tell this by looking at the id number it is followed by A1 if it were a patent it would be B1

also application has a statment to federal sponsored research in claim 002    meaning  if it were ever issue it would be free to everyone and only credit for the invention and not ownership would be granted to dingle 


Thanks Dudly!
Title: Re: Daniel Dingle Patent Found
Post by: Hidden on June 21, 2012, 18:37:00 pm
That patent don't have more sense.. however there are some difference from Meyer and Dingel.. Meyer use ionized water/air mixture instead Dingel use just brown gas in high quantities. In all case also Dingel use ionization inside the cell associated with standard electrolisys. Regards
Title: Re: Daniel Dingle Patent Found
Post by: Hidden on June 21, 2012, 18:53:11 pm
Hello tutanka,

What kind or degree of ionization you mean in the case of dingel? He achieve it with the spark coil?

Regards
Title: Re: Daniel Dingle Patent Found
Post by: Hidden on June 21, 2012, 18:59:16 pm
I don't have tested but from video I have imagine that scenario..

Dingel use an little welding power supply that use as ionizer, the positive cable (red cable) of ionizer is connected inside the cell to an steel grid  immersed horizontally on tap water for 2cm, under the grid are present the standard plates connected with 12V battery.
Title: Re: Daniel Dingle Patent Found
Post by: Hidden on September 20, 2013, 20:34:29 pm
Was wondering about the honeycomb grid if its stainless.
Then underneath is the bismuth and Neo magnets that make up the positive section.
Does anyone have the capability of using bismuth and neodymium as one electrode?

In Dingles first page of the application he states nuclear energy and that's where the bismuth must come in maybe?
Title: Re: Daniel Dingle Patent Found
Post by: Hidden on September 21, 2013, 09:34:04 am
bismuth isnt radioactive
Title: Re: Daniel Dingle Patent Found
Post by: Hidden on September 21, 2013, 17:52:00 pm
Was wondering about the honeycomb grid if its stainless.
Then underneath is the bismuth and Neo magnets that make up the positive section.
Does anyone have the capability of using bismuth and neodymium as one electrode?

In Dingles first page of the application he states nuclear energy and that's where the bismuth must come in maybe?

Bismuth is a chemical element with symbol Bi and atomic number 83. Bismuth, a pentavalent poor metal, chemically resembles arsenic and antimony. Elemental bismuth may occur naturally, although its sulfide and oxide form important commercial ores. The free element is 86% as dense as lead. It is a brittle metal with a silvery white color when freshly produced, but is often seen in air with a pink tinge owing to surface oxidation. Bismuth is the most naturally diamagnetic and has one of the lowest values of thermal conductivity among metals.

Bismuth metal has been known from ancient times, although until the 18th century it was often confused with lead and tin, which share some physical properties. The etymology is uncertain, but possibly comes from Arabic bi ismid, meaning having the properties of antimony[2] or German words weisse masse or wismuth ("white mass"), translated in the mid sixteenth century to New Latin bisemutum.[3]

Bismuth has long been considered as the element with the highest atomic mass that is stable. However, it was recently discovered to be slightly radioactive: its only primordial isotope, bismuth-209, decays with a half life more than a billion times the estimated age of the universe.[4]

No other metal is verified to be more naturally diamagnetic than bismuth.[11][14] (Superdiamagnetism is a different physical phenomenon.) Of any metal, it has one of the lowest values of thermal conductivity (after manganese, and maybe neptunium and plutonium) and the highest Hall coefficient.[15] It has a high electrical resistance.[11] When deposited in sufficiently thin layers on a substrate, bismuth is a semiconductor, rather than a poor metal.[16]

The only primordial isotope of bismuth, bismuth-209, was traditionally regarded as the heaviest stable isotope, but it had long been suspected[29] to be unstable on theoretical grounds. This was finally demonstrated in 2003, when researchers at the Institut d'Astrophysique Spatiale in Orsay, France, measured the alpha emission half-life of 209Bi to be 1.9×1019 years,[30] over a billion times longer than the current estimated age of the universe. Owing to its extraordinarily long half-life, for all presently known medical and industrial applications, bismuth can be treated as if it is stable and nonradioactive. The radioactivity is of academic interest because bismuth is one of few elements whose radioactivity was suspected and theoretically predicted, before being detected in the laboratory. Bismuth has the longest known alpha decay half-life, although tellurium-128 has a double beta decay half-life of over 2.2×1024 years.[31]

This is an interesting metal.