Starting at the Genesis of Stanley Meyer's Work - The Demo Cell

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Hi everybody,

Today I located a shop that will do the TIG welding on the outer .75” diameter stainless steel tubes.  The owner of this welding shop is going to let me come down in 2 weeks from now and watch the pros at work.  He’s a little busy right now so I had to make an appointment.  He’s very interested personally in this project.  I’m bringing some scrap with me to see how that turns out first.

I decided to wait until the .75” tubes are welded before I drill out the plastic spacers/holders.  Instead of drilling 9 holes now and trying to match the tubes to the holes, I decided to wait until the tubes are welded first.  I’ll then be able to drill the holes to match the position of the tubes.

The guys at the welding shop suggested making a template and a jig for the figure “7” mounting brackets so that all 9 tubes end up the same for uniformity purposes.

My next post is going to be about my own theories concerning Stanley Meyer’s earlier stages of development.  They will only be my own personal theories and not necessarily fact.  Just a little warning in advance.

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mina
 

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When I made my outer tubes with the tabs I did this...


first drill the base-mounting hole in all the tabs while they are still straight, do your math to figure out where you want them, you want the hole to be inline with the center of the tube when it is bent and welded



bend all the tabs at the exact same time, using a rectangular metal bar and some clamps, clamp all the metal tabs to the metal table on the band saw, all exactly even in a line, then bend them all up against the clamped metal bar 90 degrees, then re-position them and bend them all 45 degrees, then re-position them and bend them 45 degrees again to make the right shape


then i had a piece of steel rod, made on the lathe, that would slide nicely inside the outer tube, 0.625", then it had a reduce diameter at one end to 0.250", this rod would slide inside the outer tube and the end would slide into the hole in the bent tab, thus aligning it correctly, clamp them together and weld them, use this rod to check all the alignment


if you don't want to use spacers you have to do a perfect job or the tubes will touch, of course using spacers is easy and probably wont change much for performance

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@Donald:
Thanks for the advice regarding shaping/bending the tabs.  This will save me a lot of time and trouble in achieving uniformity.  I am going to go with your advice.  Friday after work, I’m going to buy a flat sheet of 304 stainless steel to cut up into strips that will become the figure “7” brackets.  Great idea!

While we’re on the subject of the tabs/brackets, can you tell me where you were able find the 0.031” thickness specification?  Also, should the strips be .5” wide or is there another specific width?

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Hi everybody,

Here are some of the theories I have formed concerning Stanley Meyer’s earlier stages of development.  Keep in mind that these theories may or may not reflect what actually took place.

Meyer’s Preliminary Stages Part 1:

In Stan’s early HHO research, he built many different cells with various different plate configurations to determine the ideal (most efficient) plate shape.  He determined the tubal array to be the most efficient design with regards to input power/gas production.  He also built a cell with adjustable plate spacing in order to determine the ideal plate gap/spacing between plates.  This is where I believe he came up with the spacing for his famous demonstration cell you can see in his videos that was powered by an alternator.

At first glance, the cell seems to be a straight forward version of what anyone can find in his early patents.  But then one day it suddenly dawned on me.  We were all being misled.  After extensive investigation, I started finding discrepancies in his patents verses what I saw in the videos. 

For example; in his videos of the demo cell, I noticed what appeared to be a wire clipped to the outside of one of the .75” stainless steel tubes.  However, in his patent drawings of the demo cell, not only were they not described but they were also completely omitted from the drawings altogether.

Then there was the time Meyer refused requests to look into his “black box” connected to the cell.  I kept asking myself why Meyer would refuse these requests if everything in the “black box” was fully documented in his patents anyways.  It was then that I started to suspect that things were purposely missing from his filed patents. 

(TO BE CONTINUED)

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If you view the “Meyers Estate videos by Dynodon64” here on this forum, you will notice something very interesting in a couple of the videos.  As Don pans over the cell, you will eventually discover that the wire that used to be clipped onto one of the tubes in Stan’s videos before he died is now magically gone!  Vanished as in now you see it, now you don’t.  Where did it go?  Who removed it?  Why was it there in the first place?

Now let’s return to the patent drawing of the demo cell.  Let’s examine Meyer’s demo cell drawing labeled “EXHIBIT E2: TUBULAR CLUSTER ARRAY”.  Examining the part of the drawing in which the upper portion of the outer tubes are depicted, notice there are vertical slots cut at the tips of the tubes.  Also notice there are no lines drawn and description given as to what these slots are for.  Why is there no description given?  Why are there no dimensions (width and height) disclosed?  What are the slots for?  Some have suggested they are for tuning purposes (which I also believe) however, here again, they are never mentioned in the patents.

I’ve been told that tube “tuning” videos exist on how to tune the tubes but I’ve yet to see one.  If you have any information whatsoever regarding these questions, I’d love to hear them.  Please do tell or speculate.  If you have a link to where the video(s) can be located, please post the link.

With my demo cell build, I will be experimenting with many different components and combinations of components that to my knowledge have never been tried before.  I will then be posting my results with as much data as I can offer so you can all find out how these different approaches panned out.  I will also be making digital videos in which I will be posting on youtube.com for the world to see.  Implementation that show the most promising results will be followed up with further testing and design modifications. 

Regards,
mina

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a Volt is a Joule per Coulomb


V=J/C


if you apply a volt to a tube with 10 Coulombs of electrons in the metal atoms then how many Joules does each C get?


1 = J/10


J = 0.1


if you apply 1 volt to a different sized tube, which has 12 Culombs of electrons in the metal atoms then how many Joules does each C get now?


1 = J/12


J = 1/12 = 0.08333...


so both our tubes get 1 Volt, but since they are different sizes, they get different amounts of energy


so we should make them have the same amount of Coulombs, which means same amount of electrons, which means same amount of atoms, which means the same amount of mass, which means the same weight

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Now the idea is to build the cell as close as possible to Stan’s but since I’m missing information (such as the clipped on wire) I can only get so close to his.  Then I will be building his circuits (such as the VIC from his patents) and using them first simply as benchmarks.  When the initial stages of testing is completed, I don’t expect the results to far exceed that of the typical results achieved by most.  Keep in mind that I will only be using these results as benchmarks.

I can see that nobody knows (or wants to speculate on) what that wire was that was clipped onto the cell plate so I’ll leave that out until I get past my initial testing.  The other different components and combinations of components that I intend to implement will be experimented with at the conclusion of my initial testing.

Regards,
mina

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Now the idea is to build the cell as close as possible to Stan’s but since I’m missing information (such as the clipped on wire) I can only get so close to his.  Then I will be building his circuits (such as the VIC from his patents) and using them first simply as benchmarks.  When the initial stages of testing is completed, I don’t expect the results to far exceed that of the typical results achieved by most.  Keep in mind that I will only be using these results as benchmarks.

I can see that nobody knows (or wants to speculate on) what that wire was that was clipped onto the cell plate so I’ll leave that out until I get past my initial testing.  The other different components and combinations of components that I intend to implement will be experimented with at the conclusion of my initial testing.

Regards,
mina

Mina,
 
There is a schematic in Stans documents that shows a third wire at the tubes.
That wire isnt going anywhere and might be exactly what you are talking about...
 
Steve