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Re: Simple transformer design tutorial
« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2016, 10:53:07 am »
The procedure is the following:
Determine load power!
Find its resistance and calculate voltage and current requirements
P=V*I

Now

Calculate the voltage drop at the secondary coil resistance due to the current at the load : V drop=I*RL2
Sum this voltage drop with the load voltage and the result is the total voltage output in open circuit case
Calculate the:  Total power at secondary side=I^2*RLoad + I^2*RL2

Now the only two things we don't know yet is the primary current and and transformation factor

The current you need to solve this equation where 0= -Rin*I^2 + Vin*I - Total Power

For soving it you can use a smartphone calculator app on iPhone called calculator# and easily solve this 2nd degree equation!!! It will give you two results which only one will be correct

Finally find the transformer ratio T=Iin/ILoad

This method I developed in part and in part I learned at university... never see it elsewhere

In the Vic case we are doing the same stuf but only half cycle


I understand all this very well.
The DC resistance Ronny is talking about, i figured that out some weeks before,as i took some time to write and calculate every step of the vic.
For me, the question is what the LC resonance function is in the circuit with the 2! chokes.
If it was 1 choke, the vic would be nothing more then a bucking circuit....
Why 2 chokes?

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Re: mechanical analogies
« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2016, 22:16:54 pm »
I believe that each choke takes half the wave like i drew,  allowing to accumulate energy in the resonance with the water while the amp inhibitor coil will develop a magnetic field since it receives D.C.

Meyer explain the resonance will accumulate such energy that will exceed the covalent bonding of water

D.C. Current in a coil and ac current in a resonant circuit are two situations where energy get accumulated

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Re: mechanical analogies
« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2016, 00:09:35 am »
Has anybody tuned a cell with just air yet and would an air core solve core material issues? I think Ronny is making a lot of sense with the explanations but it would make more sense if all those guys with cells and VICS all ready built that followed Dons specs could confirm the tuning method...Im not doubting it because I truly believe AIR is the secret in some form or another.
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Re: mechanical analogies
« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2016, 07:49:20 am »
To be very honest with you I tried many ways of what they are talking about, with air water pure water chemicals, my impression is that no one following Ronnieis going to get anywhere because first of all he do not appear to be interested in making anyone's else cells work, he is only trying to make everyone to make the hard work for him. I highly doubt he ever had a working cell but this is my mere opinion based on his story tells...  people expect that some info will unlock the knowledge without a scientific background, sorry disappoint you but I assume I would not be capable myself of what I'm today without the physics university... so hope for the best but don't waste time waiting others... my 11 cell in Delrin is ready since January of 2014 if I remember well and since than nothing prove that something is happening

Air core is great for resonance is the best Q factor possible for a coil but in case you want to develop magnetic field a piece of iron would amplify it 200 times for the same current and wire length..

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Re: mechanical analogies
« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2016, 15:14:37 pm »
Steve I was wondering about another thing

The Vic is suppose to work in kind if flyback pulse and colapse style

Now how do we make the secondary to have the most power for collapsing

The answer is it need to be shorted during pulse on

Do you agree?

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Re: mechanical analogies
« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2016, 16:29:46 pm »
Its for me a bit double. I like Ronny. I like what he wrote and shared sofar. But have we ever seen prove? A small video showing a working setup?


Listen. When you read Meyer documents, he states that choke 1 is for resonance and choke 2 is for resistance.

If i listen to Ronny, he makes more or less the same statement annex tip.
First plain electrolysis till water turns into gas and then resonance should take over and high voltage will turn the monotomic hydrogen into deuterium or at least something bigger then monotomic hydrogen...

For me, it all sounds like Herman Anderson....


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Re: mechanical analogies
« Reply #22 on: November 16, 2016, 14:21:29 pm »
in my view resonance will create a high electric field on the coils and it seem to me that this is one of or the main objective behind achieving resonance...

while the magnetic field created on the amp inhibitor coil will impeed the electrons to flow while allowing the electric fields from the resonance to perform some work although the voltage and current are 90 degrees

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Re: mechanical analogies
« Reply #23 on: November 16, 2016, 17:01:34 pm »
in my view resonance will create a high electric field on the coils and it seem to me that this is one of or the main objective behind achieving resonance...

while the magnetic field created on the amp inhibitor coil will impeed the electrons to flow while allowing the electric fields from the resonance to perform some work although the voltage and current are 90 degrees

Are you saying the voltage leads the current ? What does that mean @ 90 degrees?
One common thread with no one ever showing a working cell...no one ever shows or explains the current side.Only that there is very little to no current...the same seems to be true with working cells...very little to no cells working.