### Author Topic: Vic Coil  (Read 37870 times)

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« Reply #112 on: May 18, 2009, 16:58:18 pm »
Now what is it?
building up to 20kv, or
20kv per pulse? (+/-)

hint from meyer: 2x20kv @ 1 ma = 40 watt (per injection cycle if i remember correctly) to run the buggy
so, +/-20kv per pulse

agree, or disagree?

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« Reply #113 on: May 18, 2009, 17:00:44 pm »
"Lord Kelvin water dropper."

Ok, lets talk about this, in order for the water to charge, it needs to be an isolated drop, meaning that drop can't not touch anything that conducts, once the drop of water touches anyting that conduts, it will lose its electrostatic potential.

Now there is no way in hell a low power circuit is going to be able to put 20KV between a body of water (water between 2 conductors), beliave me I have tried really hard.

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« Reply #114 on: May 18, 2009, 17:16:43 pm »
Anyone having a stungun lying around?
those are in the range of ten to hundreds up to 1000 of kv's
how about putting a 10-3a amp inhibitor on it?
don't know about the frequency though.

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« Reply #115 on: May 18, 2009, 17:58:14 pm »
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Ok, lets talk about this, in order for the water to charge, it needs to be an isolated drop, meaning that drop can't not touch anything that conducts, once the drop of water touches anyting that conduts, it will lose its electrostatic potential.

now when you say it cant touch anything conductive, do u mean it as anything conductive that is grounded..  is it that isolated passive motions transfer magnetic flux better.. or is it that water drops are like viktor shaubergers eggs idea.. maybe generating its own vortex of a-fields and b- fields..  during free fall.. i like this subject many thoughts... like stan says kiss.. lets start with the simplest observation of how a water drop is able to produce isolated states of space.. any good sites found on this subject?

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« Reply #116 on: May 18, 2009, 21:30:51 pm »
If thatâ€™s true, why not use steam to run through the system? Empty your cell of water, and force steam through it and see what comes out.  if you have no water between the plates, you'll have no shorting condition.  Resistance goes to 0, voltage goes to infinity.

Just an Idea.

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« Reply #117 on: May 18, 2009, 22:13:14 pm »

The truth of the matter is that steam is closer to becoming ionized then water. Meaning, energy has been pumped into the molecule (heat)...this expands the molecule's surface area, which also spreads the electron further from the proton. This means steams dielectric strength is lower then water...and, it would break down causing an arc in the water vapor (steam, air, water, oil, etc...are all fluids) actually easier.

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« Reply #118 on: May 19, 2009, 00:53:01 am »

The truth of the matter is that steam is closer to becoming ionized then water. Meaning, energy has been pumped into the molecule (heat)...this expands the molecule's surface area, which also spreads the electron further from the proton. This means steams dielectric strength is lower then water...and, it would break down causing an arc in the water vapor (steam, air, water, oil, etc...are all fluids) actually easier.

I have done several tests using HV and Steam, and found this to be true.

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« Reply #119 on: May 19, 2009, 01:15:16 am »
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Ok, lets talk about this, in order for the water to charge, it needs to be an isolated drop, meaning that drop can't not touch anything that conducts, once the drop of water touches anyting that conduts, it will lose its electrostatic potential.

now when you say it cant touch anything conductive, do u mean it as anything conductive that is grounded..  is it that isolated passive motions transfer magnetic flux better.. or is it that water drops are like viktor shaubergers eggs idea.. maybe generating its own vortex of a-fields and b- fields..  during free fall.. i like this subject many thoughts... like stan says kiss.. lets start with the simplest observation of how a water drop is able to produce isolated states of space.. any good sites found on this subject?

Well, the electrostatic charge that a dropplet of water can carry is very small so when it contacts a conducting material, so of it's charge will move to the conductive material (only if the material has oposite charge), and yes, if grounded then the effect (lost of charge is greater).

I have a feeling that if we replaced the water with little metal particles in the Kalvin generator, we would get the same self charging effect.

now I ask: where is the energy coming from? The Answer starts with a G