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16 plates cell project by Kumaran

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hydro:
i can save you the trouble, if you could choose between 120 volts at 1 amp which is 120 watts, or 12 volts 10 amps wich is 120 watts, you would use the 12 volts 10 amps even though the power output is the same, amps does more work.

so you can choose 1 amps to get 120 watts using 120volts

or you can choose 10 amps to get 120 watts using 12 volts

even though the output is the same, you will get more hydrogen at lower volts more amps.

one thing i want to say is don't try to get overunity this soon as the definition for it is so complicated people get easily confused. when using a circuit you should not look for overunity even though we have circuits here that prove overunity. it is not important.

what is important is that you understand the reason you came into this hobby. when you understand this you will be somewhat pulled from the dark many is lost in.

i say use 3 coils, and pulse none at the same time. this can be very complicated but you will find it is well worth the complication.

the key goal here is to run a motor on hydrogen, allthough i don't see anything wrong with playing with circuits, the alternator is ready to be taken to the next level and that is to run a motor. i have said elsewhere that electronics is less important because we have the hydrogen we need to run a engine. but there is no need to stop on the circuits because of it.

there is many trying to get engines to run today that i know of, i have included tips to try and help out but was overlooked somewhat.

My attitude is, there is only 1 way to do this, and that is do it.

i can understand your concern with the time you have to get things done. if you and stevie could get together you would make one hell of a team! stevie i think you guy's could help each other out alot! i say this because stevie knows what to do, and i feel kurman knows how to do it.

Steve:

--- Quote from: hydrocars on December 17, 2007, 09:03:24 am ---that is one hell of a smart circuit! you came up with this yourself?

stevie, you should have a look at this! great job, i can say i like this!

kurman, how much trouble would it be for you to download msn?


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Yes, Kumaran is making progres. Nice to see!

br
Steve

Steve:

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But the voltage across the cell is still less than 3V (still doesn't show OU). One think for sure, amps is the one does the work and not voltage (to my knowledge). If add more batteries in series, less input amps needed but output amps doubles or triples. I need you to try and verify the circuit.

You mean full circuit including PWM, cell & choke?

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Kumaran, I think the 3V is very nice to have, because the cell will get hotter with higher volts.
What the circuit concerns, Hydro is talking about a new 3 phase pwm and chokes. That connected to one cell.
I am bussy making a drawing, but I cannot find a normal drawing software with normal ic pictures.

What you made is where I and Hydro are discussing about for a while by msn now.
We wanna pusch amps into the cell to. Just like you did in above schematic.
So, if you use 3 pwm's. Every pwm is 120 degrees out of phase. You get a 360 degree phaseshift, just like the alternator.
If you end up with pulsing 3 coils, you have an optimum result.

As soon as I have the schematic finished, I will send it to you.

br
Steveb

hydro:
since the cats outta the bag, yeah its not PWM, this is totally different, stevie may have a diff point of view than i.


what you want is 3 phase, where you can control the height of the waves at the same time and control the speed.

the speed in time with the height creates 3 phase Harmonics, it is this 3 phase that acts like replacing the batteries very fast, and with the back emf spring effect with coils it literally pushes amps into the cell.

the amount of amps pushed into the cell  is determined by the electronics and not the cell. there will come a point to where you get so much hydrogen you don't know what to do with it.

i currently produce hydrogen at 15 to 20 volts and 15 amps, thats about 300 watts, i use no additives and produce a really good amount. you seen the video i posted on youtube? i had a leak when making that video.

kumaran:

--- Quote from: hydrocars on December 17, 2007, 11:13:17 am ---i can save you the trouble, if you could choose between 120 volts at 1 amp which is 120 watts, or 12 volts 10 amps wich is 120 watts, you would use the 12 volts 10 amps even though the power output is the same, amps does more work.

so you can choose 1 amps to get 120 watts using 120volts

or you can choose 10 amps to get 120 watts using 12 volts

even though the output is the same, you will get more hydrogen at lower volts more amps.

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2V is just enough for electrolysis. After I power off the circuit, cell still keeps about 1.5V charge.


--- Quote from: hydrocars on December 17, 2007, 11:13:17 am ---i say use 3 coils, and pulse none at the same time. this can be very complicated but you will find it is well worth the complication.

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Car alternator is the best to do this job but need to test and find suitable inductor for different speed, that is the challenge. Hope we are going in right direction now.


--- Quote from: stevie1001 on December 17, 2007, 17:23:26 pm ---Kumaran, I think the 3V is very nice to have, because the cell will get hotter with higher volts.
What the circuit concerns, Hydro is talking about a new 3 phase pwm and chokes. That connected to one cell.
I am bussy making a drawing, but I cannot find a normal drawing software with normal ic pictures.

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I use ExpressPCB software (free) to draw the circuit. The software is still lack of many component. I had no choice but draw the new component. Actually I've tought about 3 phase long time ago. Yesterday, I was testing my old 3PH circuit (bread boarded) which was used for Bob Boyce resonance drive. One of the phase is not working and I will rectified the problem by today.

My idea is not actual 3 phase (120 degree). I will use 3 different inductor with 3 PWM. I will adjust each phase PW and frequency to produce 1A output which totally depends on inductor used. Then I switch on each phase one by one and see if any significant changes in input and output amps and also gas generation. Using this method, there will be clashes between phases but just wanted to see what the difference can it make to cell and circuit.


--- Quote from: stevie1001 on December 17, 2007, 17:23:26 pm ---What you made is where I and Hydro are discussing about for a while by msn now.
We wanna pusch amps into the cell to. Just like you did in above schematic.
So, if you use 3 pwm's. Every pwm is 120 degrees out of phase. You get a 360 degree phaseshift, just like the alternator.
If you end up with pulsing 3 coils, you have an optimum result.

As soon as I have the schematic finished, I will send it to you.

br
Steveb

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Yesterday, my friend gave me an old car alternator. I still think of a way to turn this alternator using speed controlled motor. I did some experiment on RotoVerter using 3PH motor previously. Not sure if I can find high speed DC motor and the speed is controlled with variable transformer. I know one of my friend has permanent magnet DC motor.

I still believe series cell (Bob Boyce design) together with this 3PH circuit will produce much better results. I will do that experiment also to confirm. I remember Bob did say he was using less than 4A to produce 6LPM using resonance drive (not really sure). Probably this is the method he used but with fixed frequency.

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