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Title: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 11, 2014, 23:06:47 pm
Dear all,
It has been a while, but i am ready again to share a project with you all. Its an attempt to build a VIC according to the notes of Dynodon and also to build a working resonant cavity. I just received the cores and bobines of the VIC. I also got 10 outer tubes and i orderd some Delrin or Pom. Still looking for the right wire for the VIC and i must visit my metalshop to get me some inner rods for the RC. The timeplan is 3 months. The electronics is all here or i modify some older boards i still have. With thanks to some good people on this earth, i think this might be the final setup and see if i can get the Meyer techno going.
I still have hope on changing the world for the better.
Steve
still trying after all those years....
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 12, 2014, 16:02:47 pm
Thank you Mookie. It will be the final Meyer build for me. Or i see gas, or i stop with the Meyer journey.... ;)
Steve
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 12, 2014, 21:15:49 pm
Make an educated guess... What am i going to build here?
Cheers!
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 13, 2014, 01:22:26 am
Hey it seems a water car!
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 14, 2014, 10:20:57 am
It looks like drugs, i suppose.... Here some cores i got from China. DHL found it nessecary to open the package...
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 17, 2014, 20:57:29 pm
Hmmm. Today i have done some o ring calculations. Thats fun to do. Never done that before. So, i orderd my o rings at the end. The Pom c / delrin parts are also ordered today. Special drill bits are also coming.... 29Awg wire is also on its way with double coating...
Also pvc tape red green blue and yellow is on its way..
cheers
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 21, 2014, 12:41:42 pm
Parts are coming in....... The colord tape is in and the measurementwheel as well....
cheers
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 21, 2014, 17:38:47 pm
Look! Progress :)
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 22, 2014, 04:26:05 am
Looking Good :)
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 22, 2014, 09:12:36 am
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 22, 2014, 10:32:11 am
Nice work Steve! Thats how i intend also to build mine,the OD of the delrin will remain as stock,only the tubes housing will be cnc drilled.Ho did you made the housings?
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 22, 2014, 10:41:08 am
Nice work Steve! Thats how i intend also to build mine,the OD of the delrin will remain as stock,only the tubes housing will be cnc drilled.Ho did you made the housings?
Hi Adys,
For me, the OD of the delrin will stay only partly stock. The OD of the clear watertube is exactly the same as the OD of the Delrin, so half of the delrin must be 3mm thinner in diameter....... The Delrin parts, i orderd and they did the cutting so far. So, its up to my metalshop and me to make the final cuts for O rings, waterflow and the holes for screws and tubesets.... I just received a confirmation that my drilbits are delayed for 3 weeks :( :( :( :( :( :(
Steve
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 28, 2014, 13:18:29 pm
Well, tomorrow, i hope to see my first anode made by my metalshop.... Lets see how precise they are..
Cheers!
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 28, 2014, 20:14:33 pm
a question steve, how much they cost?
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 29, 2014, 11:28:53 am
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 30, 2014, 09:22:01 am
So, that was another example of miscommunication..... The anode sample was totally wrong. I had a great drawing, but he missed out big time. The external diameter was too thick abd the cuts became mushroom style... The top and bottum on a small stick. Hahahaha......
So, this week a second test. After that he will provide prices...
cheers!
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 30, 2014, 16:04:32 pm
Go for it, Steve!!! :) :) :)
After all those years never gave/give up...looking good!
Do you think three months is enough? :P
~webmug
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 31, 2014, 10:15:25 am
Well, i must set a target for myself. The cell, drivercircuit etc etc should be ready in about three months. The tinkering might take longer... :)
So, how is yr project going Webmug? I am curious how far you came sofar. As you can see, its something that is not done in a short term....
cheers!
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 01, 2014, 16:17:58 pm
It has been a while, but i am ready again to share a project with you all.
Steve
Thanks to you Steve, this forum seems to be the last one standing where civilized builders can share their projects, even though once in a while the odd claimant appears, only to quickly disappear as soon as he's asked for evidence.
When you look around at all the other established forums, there is one thing in common: Nothing for years, and then all of a sudden, no evidence of anything, but a rash of name calling, accusation, attack, nobody sharing, and as usual nobody building anything. Predictably, it all stops and everyone disappears with nothing new.
That being said, I am also getting ready for my last build: A replication of my hydrogen / oxygen-separating cell that I first built almost 15 years ago that I had running under the hood of my car for almost 4 years injecting pure H2 directly into the combustion chamber as a gasoline additive. Good clean fun.
Even though I have all the necessary parts, I don't plan on starting until the winter moves in but hope to have it completed by Christmas. I'll start my own thread and post my progress along the way.
Thanks for your kind words, Mookie. You made a nice summary ;) I know that you never let this crazy hobby go... As you have said to me many times: enjoy yr self during the project and keep on learning. Looking forward to your progress!
Steve
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 01, 2014, 19:27:24 pm
Steve the holes are not that hard to do but you need a tuned driller to do it without messing up with the align
i did each 4 holes at a time.. first the 3/8 than 1/2 than 5/8 than 3/4 with the piece fixed to the driller and just changing the drill bits...
from 12 sets of holes only one i did wrong so i decided to use it as the water input in my transparent cell...
The further the metalshop progressed on the POM parts, the more i asked them to do. Its easier, but it costs some more money. Soooo, i did also ask them to do the drilling of the holes for the electrodes. The man was willing, but the was also a bit concerned to do this. The alignment is difficult and he wants to drill all hole similar........Nor sure what went on in his head :-) So, he will try this week to get it done. They are really good craftsman, so i trust them.... I did provide some drawings, and did the explaining and gave him 1 set of electrodes. The reason is that he then can do the exact measurements with his measurement tools....
Lets hope and pray that he gets it done well....
Otherwise i have to buy new POM / delrin bases for the cell..
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 22, 2014, 10:57:46 am
wow thats really a sad thing cause its a lot of pom in this part... thats why i told you you can have a stepped drill bit that do all the holes in one step..
you would need a 1" drill bit to start from... than just as magic the holes come out ready and perfectly aligned..
my friend HHO Lobo
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 22, 2014, 11:56:26 am
wow thats really a sad thing cause its a lot of pom in this part... thats why i told you you can have a stepped drill bit that do all the holes in one step..
you would need a 1" drill bit to start from... than just as magic the holes come out ready and perfectly aligned..
my friend HHO Lobo
What would be the price for such a stepped drill, Fabio?
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 27, 2014, 09:59:19 am
wow thats really a sad thing cause its a lot of pom in this part... thats why i told you you can have a stepped drill bit that do all the holes in one step..
you would need a 1" drill bit to start from... than just as magic the holes come out ready and perfectly aligned..
my friend HHO Lobo
El solo hho lobo just got his pom back. It is well done. Still, i have to do some finetuning to some components so that it will fit better. It was a big releave. I will make some pics soon
Steve
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 27, 2014, 11:17:14 am
Its all still dirty and so on, but here my pics as promised..
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 27, 2014, 14:19:40 pm
more progress...
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 28, 2014, 10:38:19 am
Its becoming pretty nice Steve, compliments!
;)
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 28, 2014, 20:12:08 pm
Congrads on your cell Steve,it looks just like i had in mind to make mine but 270E in machining only(i could buy a lathe for this money),i quit this setup.I will make it like Russ's,each cell separated.Why 4 cells?How are going to drill the conectors holes centred?Did you made a bottom cap?How the shop made your slots in the anode?where did you found the imperial diameters of the drill bits,i searched for years here and could not find 12.7mm drill bit...etc...
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 28, 2014, 20:24:55 pm
Congrads on your cell Steve,it looks just like i had in mind to make mine but 270E in machining only(i could buy a lathe for this money),i quit this setup.I will make it like Russ's,each cell separated.Why 4 cells?How are going to drill the conectors holes centred?Did you made a bottom cap?How the shop made your slots in the anode?where did you found the imperial diameters of the drill bits,i searched for years here and could not find 12.7mm drill bit...etc...
Thanks Ady,
Yes, the cell has a bottum cap. I am getting it ready as we speak. The slots were made with a mill. The shop had all drillbits. So the i orderd were not needed... I have 2 of these 4 anode cells. So in totall i can go to 8 in series..
If i can help you...
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 28, 2014, 20:39:27 pm
ok,thanks.I will make mine at an private shop(i'm done with firms,VAT crap) thats why i ask you machining techniques so i can tell the man how its best to do it without damaging parts.Its made like this?
list=UUEGe7GasoADRNz6wfHM91sQ
Steve if i get the money would you order some ss tubes from onlinemetals?I will pay you in advance.I mailled them and nothing.Thx!
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 28, 2014, 22:37:23 pm
ok,thanks.I will make mine at an private shop(i'm done with firms,VAT crap) thats why i ask you machining techniques so i can tell the man how its best to do it without damaging parts.Its made like this?
list=UUEGe7GasoADRNz6wfHM91sQ
Steve if i get the money would you order some ss tubes from onlinemetals?I will pay you in advance.I mailled them and nothing.Thx!
Sure Ady.
Mail me when you are ready for it.
steve
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 29, 2014, 21:08:43 pm
Thanks so much Steve.What was the shiping cost for 10 sets of tubes?any other taxes?customs VAT?sory for late reply
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 30, 2014, 14:52:14 pm
40 euros for 10 SS springs... Way too expensive here.. But i bought them any way..
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 01, 2014, 00:12:00 am
Holly boy
here i made them to the spec about 70 dollars for 100 springs... it was cheaper than the ready to buy ones at the screw center like 8 dollars each..
anyway you will see its worth! there won't be leakages on the electrical connections, nor bad contacts!
By the way are they very hard?
lots of work here too! i finally have it, its just ready for testing.... the only thing now its that the 70 ohm resistor in parallel with the primaries kind of heats up very fast...and the primary itself also gets pretty hot at extremely low frequencies...
my chokes are onto a arrangement of two pairs of cores forming a cube... so there is one leg left for the primary and one for the feedback coil... each in its isolated bobbin cavity
well you may say this increase the magnetic path length, i don´t really know how does it interfere,....
the coils were wound all in the same direction meaning that the start of the wire is aways closer to the core for example... this makes easy to determine what coil will be connect to where...
it may also have to do with the capacitance between the coils and the core itself so itself also depends on how you connected the coils...
to be fair enough i think the direction you wound it should not have so much importance,, of course it could not give the perfect performance not improving the parasitic capacitance..but i guess it not detrimental for the reACTIOn to happen... any way i wound all in this way...
also i found a way to fix the two transformers to a place such i can transport it without moving wires... see in the pic
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 04, 2014, 01:10:30 am
Hey Steve i´m already testing!
How about your cell?
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 04, 2014, 10:04:44 am
I was out the country for my work...The whole week.. No time spend on the cell. I ended last weekend with fixing a failure of the metalshop.... Lucky me, i could solve it... So yesterday evening i was back in my mancave and working on finetuning all cell components. I trully hope to see my first bubles coming out of this cell before tomorrow night :-)
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 04, 2014, 14:02:53 pm
I was out the country for my work...The whole week.. No time spend on the cell. I ended last weekend with fixing a failure of the metalshop.... Lucky me, i could solve it... So yesterday evening i was back in my mancave and working on finetuning all cell components. I trully hope to see my first bubles coming out of this cell before tomorrow night :-)
Good! Me too i was very busy all the week...
I´m doing many tests and no bubbles at all..
however i discovered that pulsing the chokes effectively does something ondc current flowing into it. it kinds of create an impedance field just like meyer says.. .
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 05, 2014, 13:52:14 pm
ok,thanks.I will make mine at an private shop(i'm done with firms,VAT crap) thats why i ask you machining techniques so i can tell the man how its best to do it without damaging parts.Its made like this?
list=UUEGe7GasoADRNz6wfHM91sQ
Steve if i get the money would you order some ss tubes from onlinemetals?I will pay you in advance.I mailled them and nothing.Thx!
Hi Adys,
I cannot find what i wrote to you the previously time we discussed this. But yes. No problem. I can order and send it thru to you.
Cheers
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 05, 2014, 16:21:12 pm
Finally!!!! My new cell with 4 cavitys is ready!! Its a beauty. Its is not leaking at all. So proud on myself :)
I will move on now. A circuitboard needs to be solderd. And the vic coils need some wire around it....
cheers
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 05, 2014, 16:33:37 pm
another pic
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 06, 2014, 18:00:12 pm
Very nice cell Steve,again thats exacly how i will make the connectors(Ant will not be agree with you either).I found the mail with your order details,any other taxes than the price listed?.Will talk details when i raise the money.Thx
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 07, 2014, 10:11:53 am
Great cell,Steve.that is very professional cell.love that :D
Prototype for Gasoline Generator 2000W-3000W.lol
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 07, 2014, 17:38:34 pm
Thank you so much, all of you. El solo hho lobo does not feel so solo anymore ;)
Steve
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 07, 2014, 18:16:12 pm
The capacitance of the 4 cavitys, measured without water: 0.035nF 0.036nF 0.038nF 0.039nF
With my tapwater it looks like this: 0.545uF 0.445uF 0.509uF 0.550uF
I have no idea if this is good or bad. Time will tell. Maybe if you guys can share yr measurements...
my cells measure 17nf in one direction and 5nf in the other... in series the capacitance does not decrease linearly as expected too... with all the cells together 11 i get around 300pf ... with 5 cells in series i get around 1 or 2 nf
i guess this measurement will depends on the water ppm.. do you have the ppm of your water Steve? my ppm here is around 85 without filtering..
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 12, 2014, 19:15:37 pm
New measurement:
in series i measure 196nF with 4 cavitys filled with tapwater
Fabio,
How can i measure the ppm?
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 16, 2014, 15:45:46 pm
ok, i just bought me a small measurement tool for the ppm..... Let you know soon what the ppm is of my tapwater.
Further, i am almost done building my winding setup for the VIC parts, which are not rond on the inside. So, some extra things needed to be created out of nothing, which was fun to do. I cannot wait to get the primary on.....
cheers
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 17, 2014, 10:04:14 am
Good steeve i got a very cheap one... now it measures zero because of my filter now and the capacitance droped to 1nf per cell... the outer tubes is not the seamless but it got 2,75 length
i constructed my filter with resin and so the pump force the water thru it continuosly making all the water in the system the most pure possible,,,
according to stan patents the variance in the resonant frequency at 1 to 20ppm is 10% if i recall well
i dont know what that mean but i guess the purest the better anyway..
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 17, 2014, 10:20:11 am
i[m getting more than 500v on the water and nothing for now...
i guess i understood what meyer called by resonant cavity and the resonant charging chokes... i don[t understand yet how he coupled the rf to the cell but i[m getting into that..
a resonant charging choke is an inductor that charges the pulse forming network to twice its voltage and its resonant to the effective capacitance of the pulse forming network.
this is circuitry used for pulsing magnetrons for radar systems,,, basically they generate a pulse of a determined length and its length is determined by the pulse forming network capacitances and inductances.. .
when you hit a transmission line into its 1/4 wavelength freq the source see the opposite of the load... if load is a short the source see an open
if its 1/2 wavelength the source see it as it is...
but the magic about it is that it has a characteristic impedance given by its capacitance and inductance
so this is aka restricted current voltage source...
for example in a microwave for coupling from what i understood you can use a loop into the waveguide so the loop is a short circuit but its seen thru the quarter wave line as an impedance of certain high value...
so an artificial transmission line is what we are after.... aka pulse forming network...
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 17, 2014, 16:59:44 pm
Good steeve i got a very cheap one... now it measures zero because of my filter now and the capacitance droped to 1nf per cell... the outer tubes is not the seamless but it got 2,75 length
i constructed my filter with resin and so the pump force the water thru it continuosly making all the water in the system the most pure possible,,,
according to stan patents the variance in the resonant frequency at 1 to 20ppm is 10% if i recall well
i dont know what that mean but i guess the purest the better anyway..
Dear Fabio,
Dont start to laugh.... 122ppm is my tapwater... Ill guess thats why i never got a working Meyer setup?
Cheers
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 18, 2014, 01:08:26 am
Catch you some rain water guy's.
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 18, 2014, 03:40:14 am
Hey Ronnie, we are missing rain here in brazil... almost missing water at the tap because of the hard dry time....
My guess is that water purity is not a problem,, Ronnie might be able to confirm that, i just guess or it should be very pure and the circuit will work on one way and maybe not pure in another... or maybe not, is just a matter of tuning like stan said...
of course 120ppm i not a small value...
but if i understood well theres no current that can flow because there is no circuit where the current can go... its pure voltage... my view
if i understood well it does not matter if we get sea water or rain... the headaches being the contaminants proportion changing as you consume water... another guess...
Steve check if you find this resin for deionizing, i guess is a good way to go,,, my filter i made with a piece of 50cm of a 1inch diameter pvc tube...
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 18, 2014, 17:43:01 pm
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 18, 2014, 19:34:05 pm
Well, first finishing winding the vic this week... I hate winding coils..... I can do it very good, but its not my biggest hobby....
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 19, 2014, 13:54:58 pm
I found the secret to wind them... you should use a card like credit card and press the wire on the sides to be able to not let spaces...
i`m using transformer varnish in this new coils i`m winding... every layer i paint with the varnish.. it helps a lot holding the wires together and dry out really quick so just paint and keep rolling.
i arrived up to 1700 turns without mass.. but after that it becomes complicated...
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 21, 2014, 20:59:15 pm
Again i have checked all pictures i have available, on how the windings and diode and resistor are hooked up in the VIC. I must confirm that the drawing of Don Gable is exact the same as the drawing i made after looking all the photo's.
cheers Steve
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 22, 2014, 19:54:43 pm
From this drawing i conclude that the coils should be connected all opposing each other...
I think its about adjusting the wave velocity to the phase velocity somehow.. .
if we had many sections of inductors in series having a capacitor between each inductor junction and ground its an analog of a transmission line... for each series or inductor and capacitor there should be 90 degrees of dephasing... maybe 4 sections would make 360...
if you start to coupling this inductors than somehow i guess this phase tend to become greater than 90 and approach 180 when maximum coupling is reached...
if we couple them in the other polarity i guess the phase start to reduce...
I think theres still the need of something to act to generate the gas maybe even shorting the pulse forming network during the gate time,.. i feel something in the way...
I found a calculation for coaxial transmission line for the sizes of stan cell it gives a Zo or line impedance of 2.23ohm
this is just a guess but what if the water cell was a coaxial transmission line of a 2,23 of impedance and open terminated?
i have calculated that around 73uH and 13uf capacitor should resonate and have this same impedance... at 5khz...
the problem is the hell lot of current tat is going to run at resonance .. like the circuits i use to do in 2008
with that reactance for every 10volts you need 4 amps circulating... well the resistance can be very low however... four amps times 1mohm would be? 16miliwatts while circuit holds 40watts reactive the input current would be in this absurd case 1.6ma
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Post by: Login to see usernames on October 22, 2014, 19:59:46 pm
meyer talks about pulses of voltage arriving before the current.... so 90 degrees... could it be that the two chokes are two pfn's?
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 23, 2014, 13:00:14 pm
My dear friend Fabio,
Today i had some time to make more drawings of the VIC. The target was trying to understand its working, like many others have done in the past. I did the same in the past, but with too many parameters. Like you, i looked for resonance etc etc etc. I looked at PFN's, standing waves etc etc. Trying to figure out how it could work.
But today i took a different approach. I looked at it just as it is, a transformer setup. 4 coils on 1 core. When the primary is charged, a magnetic field will be created. So, what happens at the other coils? They will receive that magnetic field and all produce a potential difference and current will flow, if they have a closed circuit attached. What i did was that i drew all coils on one strait core, so its easier to see how it is all connected and also to draw graphs behind it on how the voltage potentials and currents would develop when the magnetic flux rises in the core when the primary charges up.
For what its worth are here some of my conclusions: The two chokes are basically 1 big coil with the cell exactly in the middle of that one big coil. This is funny with the knowledge in mind of that strange coil/core of the other inventor with his type of tubecell who meet Meyer. mr. Dan Danforth.
I also see that the secondairy coil is placed in parallel to the " big coil". That basically says nothing more then that if the 2 coils would be equal, the voltage would stay the same and amps are doubled. However, in the VIC case, the two chokes are double in size then the secondairy. Question is now how that will behave, but U=I*R will explain most of it, ill guess.But i do not think that that is important for the moment. Ronnie has more succes with the separated chokes with their own core. The cell as a resistor in the middle of those two charging coils and discharging slowly thru the secondairy. So, the time factor here is also a critical one... Other question is: What happens in the middle of a coil? Maybe something with phase differences?
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 23, 2014, 13:56:04 pm
Bravo,
I just found in a book that at 20hz the waves travel in copper at 2m/s the book is called elecromagnetics explained
if =however the wire is a coil and its well coupled as it gets in it gets out again at speed of light since magnetic field coupling..
I would guess that the theory is to set up the waves but to make them arrive at a particular time difference...
Basically the chokes in the way you described acts as a kind of feedback system... the secondary induces in them a voltage but the way its wound this voltage induces back in the secondary a greater voltage and so on...
so could be good to have the primary more coupled to the secondary and the chokes also more coupled to the secondary than the primary...
so i would wound the primary over the secondary and than the chokes...
or maybe secondary out than primary and chokes... in
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 23, 2014, 18:30:02 pm
Steve another thing i was considering is that if this connections are made this way the diode actually conducts during the collapse too! since both inductors + the secondary equal positive flow.... maybe thats the origin of the doubled pulse... but why the first pulse pass on the diode if is blocked from the chokes?
Or maybe the chokes are not pulsed to a voltage similar to the secondary? maybe just smaller so the secondary conducts during pulse on and during pulse of the collapse of the two chokes fights the secondary?
there may be a balance...
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 23, 2014, 20:58:34 pm
Steve another thing i was considering is that if this connections are made this way the diode actually conducts during the collapse too! since both inductors + the secondary equal positive flow.... maybe thats the origin of the doubled pulse... but why the first pulse pass on the diode if is blocked from the chokes?
Or maybe the chokes are not pulsed to a voltage similar to the secondary? maybe just smaller so the secondary conducts during pulse on and during pulse of the collapse of the two chokes fights the secondary?
there may be a balance...
Just think about the charge up phase of coils and transformers. When the primary gets its charge and a magnetic field is formed, it induces all other coils immediately. All coils will show voltage raising as soon as the primary is getting its pulse...... Secondairy and chokes. All of them. You cannot block a magnetic field.
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 26, 2014, 11:17:38 am
Hi Fabio and others,
In my quest to understand the VIC, i wrote off the "balun antenna theory" options.
Steve Still winding his VICs
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 26, 2014, 18:11:14 pm
It seems he do not get much gas of it accoriding to what he says...
too bad...
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 27, 2014, 11:17:42 am
two em waves make a "standing" em wave that is not linked to the sources as normal. (http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/water-drop-wave-ripples-2389811.jpg) and induction comes from the motional emf.
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 27, 2014, 11:27:26 am
In my quest to understand the VIC, i wrote off the "balun antenna theory" options.
Steve Still winding his VICs
What you mean?
It seems alex pety is posting some interesting stuff too...
It is great that you guy's are starting to understand the Vic. I gave Russ some useful information on the VIC and him and Alex has teamed up again and used that information and put it in a video. Keep Up the great work guy's......
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 28, 2014, 10:47:58 am
In my quest to understand the VIC, i wrote off the "balun antenna theory" options.
Steve Still winding his VICs
What you mean?
It seems alex pety is posting some interesting stuff too...
It is great that you guy's are starting to understand the Vic. I gave Russ some useful information on the VIC and him and Alex has teamed up again and used that information and put it in a video. Keep Up the great work guy's......
Thanks Ron for yr stimulating post. Any possibility that you share that info also with me and Fabio? Just to push us a bit in the right directions... :)
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 29, 2014, 08:37:56 am
Today i finished assembling one vic and will start testing this morning with the coils i already had...
I get to wind the coils again...
I will be posting here somewhere soon a complete pLL circuit (updated)... for every one can use... i'm just missing the feedback part... for now...
How are the tests going Steve?
Ron I always take a look at russ site but i never saw he doing other than epg stuff..
Alex site is there for a while.. he seems to be very interested into this as well..
well let make it!
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 29, 2014, 20:43:31 pm
Christmas came early... Thanks Fabio!
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 02, 2014, 00:36:59 am
Have you ever wind a square core? Thats really a challange, to be honest. I was used to wind round ones.... This is time consuming! Primary coil of VIC is coming!
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 02, 2014, 15:43:43 pm
after some starting up issues, i am now happy on how my winder is winding. Its a lot of hand work. The first 2 layers are now perfect on the primary core... Now keep on winding...
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 02, 2014, 20:10:20 pm
Primary coil is ready! Now to the secondairy...
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 03, 2014, 04:55:32 am
Square cores are the worst to wind... use your credit card to press every turn... you will see the benefit when doing the secondary.. when you start to think it got trouble just take out some turns and as it should have pressed the layer under it will be now easy to wind this turns again.. this happens every end of layer..
i was using varnish but maybe is not a good idea.. each layer using 29awg wire will have around 0,29mm... so if you lose the count you just measure it..
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 03, 2014, 08:33:52 am
Square cores are the worst to wind... use your credit card to press every turn... you will see the benefit when doing the secondary.. when you start to think it got trouble just take out some turns and as it should have pressed the layer under it will be now easy to wind this turns again.. this happens every end of layer..
i was using varnish but maybe is not a good idea.. each layer using 29awg wire will have around 0,29mm... so if you lose the count you just measure it..
I already did use thew creditcard trick. Thanks for that good tip :-) I agree that it is absolutly neccesary to make clean windings. The wire must have enough tenson and delay force on the system, but also not too much. My tip of today: i use two plastic clothes pegs on the axis of the windrig. They provide enough delayforce and they take care that the axis do not turn back whenever i stop winding....
Cheers!
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 04, 2014, 16:57:05 pm
Today i finished assembling one vic and will start testing this morning with the coils i already had...
I get to wind the coils again...
I will be posting here somewhere soon a complete pLL circuit (updated)... for every one can use... i'm just missing the feedback part... for now...
How are the tests going Steve?
Ron I always take a look at russ site but i never saw he doing other than epg stuff..
Alex site is there for a while.. he seems to be very interested into this as well..
well let make it!
I hope it will work :-X
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 07, 2014, 01:35:15 am
Hello bro i added a great feature to my coil winder ... that is a small dc motor that charges the wire to be rolled and when the wire is charged into a bobbin fixed to it.. its than used as the source of the wire for the main motor that where the bobbins to be wound sit.. adjusting the dc motor with a variac i can apply the perfect tension and wind the coils pretty fast!
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 11, 2014, 11:47:19 am
Well, i just have to turn the wheel by hand sofar... If the police wants to take my fingerprints, i can tell you that they do not find one on my ringfinger finger... Totally gone ;-)
Have fun!
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 30, 2014, 10:41:46 am
Question....... Where is supposed the bigger choke to be on the vic? Look carefull. On both pictures you see it on a different place on the vic..
your comments?
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 30, 2014, 15:12:13 pm
Steve it's no different than Stan's, it's just flipped upside down, if you flip Adam's over it would be the same..
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 30, 2014, 15:21:07 pm
Looking good! I like the greased finger ;D .......
Keep on winding!
Title: update: VIC by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 01, 2014, 11:26:25 am
Update: One side of my vic is ready. Still have to fine tune the two coil towards the needed resistance.
It took hours.... But it is done very well. I am happy.
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 01, 2014, 14:50:30 pm
Looks good steve.. Im glad to see others like yourself finally get to the point of making a vic.. maybe you will discover something worth while that i overlooked.. that video is time stamped aug 17th 2011.. that was the first vic i made.. I tried it with a magnetics brand iron power sample..
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 15, 2014, 03:48:22 am
I would like to invite everyone to visit our new website. Here we will be replicating Stan Meyer's GMS unit and VIC card assembly. All board are drew up and ready to have made. We have two boards already back that we paid for with out of pocket money, We hope to raise enough funds to have all the boards made for everyone to purchase. So if your interested in making Stan's complete system check us out at http://stanmeyerreplications.net/. It is a new website and we are still learning and making changes. Thanks gpssonar, http://stanmeyerreplications.net/
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 27, 2014, 21:21:49 pm
We would like to thank everyone here that supported us either by donations or the purchase of the first two boards. We are happy to say, we have enough funds to order the next two set's which will be the Digital Control Means Board and the Analog Voltage Generator board. These two boards will plug into each other getting rid of all the messy wiring Stan had on his boards, even Pads for the Pots and Switches are place on the board at the top with the traces going to the right places on the boards to rid of more wiring clutter on the boards, making them clean and neat boards. They will be ordered Monday and will be available within the next two weeks. Thanks again for your support. Gpssonar
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 05, 2015, 13:17:39 pm
Thats nice Man, i will be happy to get it too soom..
Happy new year !!!!!
Regards
Fabio
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 10, 2015, 04:02:38 am
Thank Seb. We have 4 boards made now, Variable Freq. Gen., Gated Freq. Gen., and we just got the Digital Control Means and the Analog Voltage Gen. in the mail today. You can find all 4 at: www.stanmeyerreplications.net
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 17, 2015, 12:20:26 pm
Mookie, what happend to the pictures? We cannot see them. Can you reposte them? I am curious to see yr latest project :-)
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 18, 2015, 05:22:42 am
I tried to upload pictures also and could not.
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 18, 2015, 13:36:13 pm
I am not happy about that.... I will have a good look into this issue. Thanks for notifying...
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 19, 2015, 13:09:47 pm
Hi Mookie and Ronnie,
The upload of pictures was providing errors because of the extra script that i had added . The script was for making this forum legal towards the cookie law in europe. I just removed the script and it worked fine again. Here are the picture of Mookie!
Cheers Steve
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 19, 2015, 13:13:12 pm
Mookie, so you have been bussy punching holes in the seperator? Nasty job! So, if you do not add the H2 into the air intake, where did/do you put it in there?
Steve
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 20, 2015, 18:50:54 pm
Aha... That looks like a good place. Do you use some kind of safety valve on yr hydrogen output?
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 21, 2015, 07:28:16 am
I'm sorry you feel the way you do about me. I was the founder of this website and I created it. It is steves website now as I didn't have the money or time for it. Now things are changed. I Have no need to put evidence in front of anyone, What is it exactly you think I have claimed out of curiosity.
The fact is, and you will see this happen in your life time. Cars will run on water, Not hydrogen my friend. And no, not like the steam engine. I've already posted how it worked, Now go prove it wrong if you like, or must.
Maybe when someone puts forth and effort, I may Put forth some evidence, I clearly stated I would be like a ghost of this forum years ago when people were rude and disrespectful.
Where was you exactly when stan stated he moved from hydrogen directly to water? Perhaps you need a second look of the red car, not the bug. Its the injector, nobody can figure it out lmao, the injector doesn't atomize the water, It moves it from one location to another, And the water is natural and none processed, but the superheated part is left out when stan tells it.
Was you aware of the level at which I researched stans work? This stuff you see of stans, its useless, its planted there to throw weak minded people.
Did you know stans car once ran on the BOILER PLATE configeration? Can you imagine that coming from stans mouth? The production of hydrogen mixed with steam enhances the performance, But the steam will overtake the hydrogen and render it useless and the electronic parts will start to fail.
What exactly do you think stan did in that Silo with that super focused glass on the Aluminum he kept melting? Lol poor guy couldn't find a metal strong enough to hold up, thats when the lightbulb went off and he moved on to running a car on water.
You see, stans first plan was to produce heat for homes, it was never to run a car on water. This, I leave with you, The answer is not in the circuits, And it is not in the membrains, I can assure you one thing, It is in the water. And under the right conditions, it is very dangerous ;)
If you think its not, heat a chamber of pressurized water just a few degree's above its boiling point and open the lid. Or better yet, Heat it several hundred degree's obove its boiling point and open its lid. Put in simple english, Drop or lower the pressure to cause an explosion to accure.
Why must you not see, You can lead the horse to water, But you can not make it drink.
HBJesus
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 21, 2015, 07:33:10 am
And again, My hat is off to stevie for taking care of this place. Its not easy.
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 05, 2015, 03:54:02 am
Looks like you got the pictures working again Steve. Let me share a couple updates of progress being made.
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 05, 2015, 07:44:48 am
Looks like you got the pictures working again Steve. Let me share a couple updates of progress being made.
Hi Ron,
That looks gooooood :-) Looks like to me that you have put a lot of time and effort in this crazy project ...... I will re start this weekend, btw, with my project. Life has settled a little bit again.....
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 18, 2015, 19:54:20 pm
Looks who s back in track...
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 19, 2015, 20:39:44 pm
3 hours later in the next day....
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 20, 2015, 16:01:21 pm
Bingo. 3 coils down. 1 choke to go...
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 02, 2015, 19:12:27 pm
Hi Steve! I'm new here, I searching information and gathering materials some years... now I start testing, one day upload some photos
Good job, I follow
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 30, 2015, 02:13:16 am
Steve, so this has been a while and you had 1 choke to go. What has happened?
Hahahahaha........ Good question. Well, the last choke is half way finished. Its all by hand and i want each winding to be perfect. Any progress from your project? Still building ?
Cheers
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 31, 2015, 02:25:24 am
Yes still working away at it. Long time ago purchased a full pgen from Gunther, had problems with software. Figured that all out and it works great. Although the pgen is controlled by the computer it takes a while to dial in, like when you have potentiometers its much more quick. Then figured out how to pulse the positive side. Hooked up many SCR's and played with them, then looking through my old electron components found one just like Meyers and date code was from the 80's. Made a huge SCR pulse on its own without a pulser, it filled the choke with so many cycles from the DC fullwave rectifier and then turned off by itself. Found that this had to do with resistance to the gate. When connected to an opto it would not work because there was too much resistance in the opto. Then started to use the Meyer SCR and it worked. Can break any water but nothing fantastic. But current is lower and gas is milky cloud style. Made a little test cell again but much better this time for those experiments.
Started to play with choke size MH when doing these experiments, so its working good at basically around 40 to 65 mh. Tried 120mh it would not work, tried 90mh it would not work so when it got down to 65mh it started working. Adjusted to around 54-56mh Also I noticed if the choke was not connected right it would not work. Only works in one direction.
Now I connected a transformer I made with tiny wire and 10 tap primary, feeding into a set of chokes made with multi-fillar of tiny wire. It makes gas, but have not seen a resonant signal yet, that's where I left off waiting for the weather to warm again. So I'll be back at it here as the garage is getting warmer again.
But I'm very curious as I know you will do a great job on your setup here.
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 05, 2015, 05:07:48 am
Steve, Coils look great... I have a update to share...I been working on the Laser accelerator and laser distributor. Here are a few photos.
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 06, 2015, 21:47:46 pm
Hi Ron,
I never seen anybody replicating the distributor of Meyer before. Nice work!!
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 07, 2015, 00:10:00 am
No need to replicate it without a working cell.
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 07, 2015, 02:45:59 am
@ Steve, we have been busy replicating Stan's complete Gms Unit and Vic Unit along with everything else.
@ outlawstc, Do you think I would be spending all this money on Stan's complete Gms unit and Vic unit if I didn't have a working cell? I think not, It sure isn't for show and tell. I stopped spending money on show and tell along time ago.
Got the extended shaft made for it today. All that is left to do on it is cut it to the right length. I should finish all of it this week.
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 07, 2015, 10:42:56 am
Thats a lot of work you have done and need to do, Ron. looking forward to the rest.. ;-)
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 10, 2015, 02:49:09 am
Power Supply and Accelerator Board arrived today. Got the Led's and sensors in the accelerator board finally.
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 10, 2015, 07:59:57 am
Hi Ron,
You and Neal are pretty bussy! :) :)
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 12, 2015, 04:56:23 am
Update: Photo's of the Power Supply coming together. Filling up two more slots in the GMS Unit..
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 17, 2015, 01:56:01 am
The regulated Power Supply was finished and test and works like a champ. Now the Laser Acceleration Board is finished and ready for testing:
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 17, 2015, 03:47:19 am
Ronnie, Maybe people will take us more seriously now....Whether they believe or not, we are going all the way, We will replicate this stage completely.
Thanks Steve for your kind words.
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 17, 2015, 14:34:58 pm
Again, great work guys! What a lot of work have you done sofar!
The project on my side is going slow. However, i expect to be able to run my cell and vic tests end of May 2015....
Cheers!
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 18, 2015, 17:24:01 pm
Thanks Steve, Here is a few photo's of one of our team members Adam Trethowen, As we build and test the large boards, he is working on the SMD version of the boards. He is doing a great Job. This just goes to show you what you can do if you use your god giving talents. As you can see there is a lot of work going on with our team.
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 19, 2015, 00:12:33 am
Pretty Slick
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 19, 2015, 00:31:04 am
cnc milled circuit
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 21, 2015, 14:31:00 pm
Thats a lot of good work guys!
Outlaw, what are you building?
Steve
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 21, 2015, 19:55:22 pm
That board has a Atmega AT90PWM216 micro controller chip.. Has built in power stage controller.. All in all its a micro controller made for controlling multiple stages of a switch mode power supply.
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 26, 2015, 04:22:37 am
Update on the GMS unit: couple more slot to fill up.
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 05, 2015, 21:11:26 pm
Looks better all labeled up......
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 06, 2015, 01:59:46 am
I thought this was Steves project page? Maybe you guys should make one for your stuff? but while were at it,
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 06, 2015, 02:23:12 am
I thought this was Steves project page? Maybe you guys should make one for your stuff? but while were at it,
Well, if Steve has a problem with these pictures, He just has to say so and they can be removed. Steve do we need to remove our stuff from your thread ??
Neal Ward
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 06, 2015, 03:18:20 am
I thought this was Steves project page? Maybe you guys should make one for your stuff? but while were at it,
I really don't understand someone making a statement like you just did Outlawstc. If you think we shouldn't post here in this thread, then why would you ask us not to, and then in the same statement do what your asking someone not to do. Let's let Steve make the final decision whether any of us can post in this thread or not. I really think that you can't stand to see a true replication of Stan Meyers work. Maybe a little Jealousy going on here. But if Steve want's us to stop posting our work here in this thread we will respect him and start a new one, We want be like you and and post in his thread and tell others not to. But I think if there was a problem he would have said so on my first post of our work. I for one don't have a problem with you posting your small boards here, but Neal and I would like to have the same respect from you. Again we respect Steve and this forum and we will stop posting here in this thread until we get a reply back from him, and you should too. Like you said it is his thread...........
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 06, 2015, 11:11:41 am
Dear all,
I would like to express that this forum is a free forum for people who are involved in similar projects as me and Brian at that time. Its a way of sharing information, stimulate each other, and maybe even get in contact with each other. To make a better world at the end. I am so glad to see that the fifth colom is investing soooooo much time and effort in their projects that i really have no issue where they want to publish it here. Thats also the case for Outlaw. He is also doing this for years now, as do i. Please continue sharing. Its important. Many people are still visiting this site. They are interested in the topics.
As you can see, there are project chapter for members or groups, which are available, but i do not have issues that you publish it in my project of the resonance cavity.
My update is that i am back on track again. I have been winding the last choke for hours yesterday :) :) :) Hope to finish that choke this week. So, i should have a VIC Meyers style within 2 weeks on my table here.
cheers to you all
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 06, 2015, 11:35:12 am
Thanks Steve for clearing that issue up for us, Neal an I have great respect for you an your forum. Neither one of us are here to cause any trouble at all.. We are here to spread the word of our progress of our true replication of Stan Meyers work. We not only post our work here but on other forums as well. As you know we have our own forum that we post our work on too. There is no better way to document someones work than to have it documented in several different places, especially for those that accuse people of stealing their work . It's also a great way to keep Everyone informed on what we are doing and the work we are putting into the replication. We are doing what no one has ever tried to do before as you can see in the photo's we have posted. If you ever feel that we are doing something wrong here please feel free to let either one of us know. Again thanks for the fast reply and your support in helping us get out our hard work that we are putting into this project.
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 06, 2015, 21:52:45 pm
I was not trying to start anything.. yesterday i remembered we had past problems on this forum where people were getting annoyed by off topic posts in personal threads.. I was just bringing attention to that to see if steve was okay with it... I posted my picture in the same post i brought it up in not to be a smart ass.. but to simply show the finish result of the circuit i posted earlier on.. and after steve reponded to my last post i was gonna tell him to feel free to delete my post to clean up his thread..
As for the thought that im jealous.. lol thats not the case.. Yall can go ahead and make the GMS unit and finish it all out. if i wanted to i could have done it over 2 years ago.. But i didnt see the need.. Even today if i had a working cell i would not see the need.. since im knowledgeable enough now to make the same function but with WAY less components and space.. Ive reached a point a few years back of being able to make (engineer) circuits based on my ideas and not just copy them...
Ive talked to neal a few times when he added me on face book like a year or so ago.. but then him and max fell out and neal unfriended me LOL.. Im disliked by association by neal and ronnie.. thats fine though. Does not bother me lol..
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 07, 2015, 01:01:14 am
I was not trying to start anything.. yesterday i remembered we had past problems on this forum where people were getting annoyed by off topic posts in personal threads.. I was just bringing attention to that to see if steve was okay with it... I posted my picture in the same post i brought it up in not to be a smart * .. but to simply show the finish result of the circuit i posted earlier on.. and after steve reponded to my last post i was gonna tell him to feel free to delete my post to clean up his thread..
As for the thought that im jealous.. lol thats not the case.. Yall can go ahead and make the GMS unit and finish it all out. if i wanted to i could have done it over 2 years ago.. But i didnt see the need.. Even today if i had a working cell i would not see the need.. since im knowledgeable enough now to make the same function but with WAY less components and space.. Ive reached a point a few years back of being able to make (engineer) circuits based on my ideas and not just copy them...
Ive talked to neal a few times when he added me on face book like a year or so ago.. but then him and max fell out and neal unfriended me LOL.. Im disliked by association by neal and ronnie.. thats fine though. Does not bother me lol..
@outlawstc Steve answered the issue of posting here for all of us, So that is water under the bridge now. What I find odd about your comment that you were able to build the GMS unit over two years ago. I guess my question is why haven't you? People here and all over the world would love to know what the GMS unit does and how it works with the VIC unit and Cell. If I were to ask you questions about each and every board in the GMS unit, are you saying you could answer every question I ask you? If I were to ask you questions about some of the parts and traces and caps and resistors that are hidden you could tell me what they are? In some other thread or even on our own forum if you like, I would like to challenge your knowledge on some of these questions. I would like to see a thread started here with you explaining each and every board in the GMS Unit and what it does,It would help a lot of people get their cells working. It is easy for anyone to say they could have built the GMS Unit over two years ago once someones is doing it. The same goes for, If I made public how to make the gas, there would be someone that would say they were doing it over two years ago also. One person comes to mind when I say this and I'm not referring to you when I say it. What I am trying to say here is, Neal and I have studied each and every board in the GMS and the VIC unit. We know where every trace goes, what value every cap and resistor is, where every wire goes, we have put many hours and days on each and every board. We know exactly what each and every board does and what signal goes where and how it effects the VIC unit and other parts on the buggy. There is a lot of people just waiting for us to release each board just to get the parts and traces they can't see. So that brings me back to the first question. If you could have built this two years ago, why are people still waiting on the part and traces they can't see? Why haven't you shared this with everyone here and else where? Believe me they are people wanting and waiting on this information. Let's be honest here, if you could have built the GMS unit then you would know the VIC unit will not work without the GMS unit. Every board in the GMS unit has something to do with the signal going to the VIC unit which goes to the cell. People has tried for years to bypass the GMS unit. I'm not here to say that it can't be done, but it is a lot of hard work to do it. But I'll be the first to say that before anyone get's a VIC to work with a cell they will be back tracking their self back to the GMS Unit.
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 07, 2015, 01:13:59 am
Hello Ronnie
I think what outlawstc tried to say is that we could measure and mix and inject the gases using whatever ckt we want even maybe simpler than the ckt created by stan. Of course stan ckt is worth in whatever car, new or old... but is a must for old cars since it allow full flexibility on instal.
Stan didn't meant the Gms unity for comercial use, that was a pre-engineering unity that was used to test what were to be miniaturized.
I'm constructing one too, however i also miss all those components and traces of the other ckts... i was hopping to get it somehow or to simple create from scracth all the functionalities... of course is a good idea to see what meyer did before i try my way.. .
anyway shouldn't be that hard
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 07, 2015, 01:29:03 am
I think what outlawstc tried to say is that we could measure and mix and inject the gases using whatever ckt we want even maybe simpler than the ckt created by stan. Of course stan ckt is worth in whatever car, new or old... but is a must for old cars since it allow full flexibility on instal.
Stan didn't meant the Gms unity for comercial use, that was a pre-engineering unity that was used to test what were to be miniaturized.
I'm constructing one too, however i also miss all those components and traces of the other ckts... i was hopping to get it somehow or to simple create from scracth all the functionalities... of course is a good idea to see what meyer did before i try my way.. .
anyway shouldn't be that hard
What i am saying Fabio, is the signal that goes to the VIC unit and to the cell starts from the GMS unit. There is only so much you can bypass and still get the VIC unit to work. People has tried this for years and years. Question is can this all be shrunk down into a micro controller. The answer is yes, once you understand the complete system,, But you can see where making parts and pieces has gotten everyone over the years. Going around in circles. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting something to change. All i am trying to say is build it Stan's way then make changes once you understand how things to work. To get Stan's system to work you must first understand the complete system first.
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 07, 2015, 02:57:49 am
yea the vic board needs a gated signal.. the amplitude control has nothing to do with resonance.. freq and amplitude are independent to each other in the process according to stan i believe he mentions in the tech brief.. but i also made the amplitude control.. All its doing is creating a voltage level based on throttle position. i have videos of a operational Vic with these circuits in action. I also have a board that has the freq gen, analog voltage gen and the gated pulse gen.
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 07, 2015, 03:02:14 am
In total agreement!
In my point of view the GMS is simply a mean stan created to generate the gas, meter, mix and inject the gas along with exhaust and ambient air to the engine.
for that if i'm not far from understanding, Stan used a frequency that is used to resonate the cell and gated it at a frequency governed by the rpm of the engine, such to create the trigger signal for the injectors, adjust the phase relationship of the shaft position and the accelerator circuit to change the pulse width of this signal to create a situation of high rate of production of gas of changing speed and a minimum (idling) .
another way i see it doing, is the frequency of the rotation directly increase the duty cycle of the gating signal if the gate frequency cannot be as high as the frequency derived from rpm... anyway 1000rpm should make 8.333hz if we are not multiplying it...
I guess the basic gate ckt (subharmonic of the resonant freq) acts only up to the engine start rotating... Maybe?
So in basic basic we could have the signal coming from the distributor and change the phase mechanically to simplify..
with few monostable timers we can set the timing for the injectors.. .
Of course there is also the safety needs like pressure sensing to stop the thing in case it reachs it .. and some others,..
i think stan dist cards are maybe used to let two cylinders working on gasoline and switch to water in an instant.. .would help if the car could stay on with a couple of cylinders and left the others for exclusive experimenting..
but as stan said kiss or you won't make it true
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 07, 2015, 03:18:20 am
Right and the injector control being based on the distributor circuits signaling, To prove the process is valuable and worth proceeding you simply need the circuits i mentioned in the prior post... and if you get them to work then the economical approach to running a engine is not stans GMS... It would be the microcontrollers and smaller components..
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 07, 2015, 03:35:28 am
Ya slade, You are really good at building boards.....can you tell me how many people have that 120 dollar piece of shit VIC you made. Even max told me "Ya Slade * it up" "It dont work" "If you can figure out how to get it working let me know" They are direct quotes from your friend and business partner max miller...
Ronnie, I would suggest at this point to stop showing anything to any one until it is completed and installed in your buggy. This clown has no clue how it works, that is blatantly obvious with his severely misguided comments.
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 07, 2015, 03:39:42 am
Well right but are maybe we forgetting the gas processor? and other processes?
i think today we got better technology than Stan had at his time. Today all cars have digital accelerator and injection... stan needed it back in the 80's the gms was his rapid analog response for the need.
I believe could be cheaper if we could use today tech but we could run into limitations that the analog don't have... such as dealing with electromagnetic surges, my computer with labview sometimes turn off because of high voltages going...
the thing is when my cell works i want to be ready! so i'm too doing this...
About the vic i got an experiment to suggest.
connect your digital multimeter across a set of cells that are connected in series... connect one lead of the vic to ground and the other to the inner electrode of the series... now pulse it!
And keep cool =D
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 07, 2015, 03:44:40 am
I agree Neal, I see this is going no where real fast. I can see why people can't make the gas, they think they understand it all. But still not making any gas worth talking about. Good luck guy's.
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 07, 2015, 03:47:22 am
I agree Neal, I see this is going no where real fast. I can see why people can't make the gas, they think they understand it all. But still not making any gas worth talking about. Good luck guy's.
Yup, Good Luck guys.....
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 07, 2015, 03:55:36 am
I agree Neal, I see this is going no where real fast. I can see why people can't make the gas, they think they understand it all. But still not making any gas worth talking about. Good luck guy's.
Of course while making no gas all this is just some guess work in the spirit of trying to understand. Never meant to disrespect anyhow, just trying to understand . . .
Thanks Ron and Neal for the reality shower!
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 07, 2015, 04:05:39 am
Neal,
There is nothing wrong with the vic board i drew up and was made so there is a misunderstanding there.. the other board has 1 error.. crossed a trace whoops easy fix.. The thing is you know nothing of me.. I have never said i had a working vic.. as in a cell making tons of hho. I have a vic that locks on to resonance but the cell sure dont show it. same as alot of other experimenters.. right now your just showing how ignorant you can be and your turning a casual conversation into a negative situation.. go you. I dont have time for arguments..
"can you tell me how many people have that 120 dollar piece of shit VIC you made" this is your way in a marketing sense of degrading what you see as a competitor.. At the same time its a false accusation. tony woodsides circuits correct and mine and his are the same circuit.. we worked on it at the same time! just different pcb layouts
but its obvious your real intention is marketing based on the way you try to slander my work.. go you!! im not trying to compete.. i have not said one negative degrading thing about your works.. i just mentioned there is cheaper routes to completion if you have a working vic.. Way to be a Richard though..
Br
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 07, 2015, 04:18:28 am
There is nothing wrong with the vic board i drew up and was made so there is a misunderstanding there.. the other board has 1 error.. crossed a trace whoops easy fix.. The thing is you know nothing of me.. I have never said i had a working vic.. as in a cell making tons of hho. I have a vic that locks on to resonance but the cell sure dont show it. same as alot of other experimenters.. right now your just showing how ignorant you can be and your turning a casual conversation into a negative situation.. go you. I dont have time for arguments..
"can you tell me how many people have that 120 dollar piece of shit VIC you made" this is your way in a marketing sense of degrading what you see as a competitor.. At the same time its a false accusation. tony woodsides circuits correct and mine and his are the same circuit.. we worked on it at the same time! just different pcb layouts
but its obvious your real intention is marketing based on the way you try to slander my work.. go you!! im not trying to compete.. i have not said one negative degrading thing about your works.. i just mentioned there is cheaper routes to completion if you have a working vic.. Way to be a Richard though..
Br
You are pathetic, this has nothing to do with marketing, Stans work , not ours, you should get that straight first and foremost.
We are not doing this for monetary gain, unlike you and fraudster max miller, ya I unfriended you , by ascociation to max miller....Ed chanson confided a lot of private and secret going ons with you max per and ed.....Using what he told me , I wished nothing to do with you either.
You guys know no more than anyone else who thinks your way, about how this tech works, I take great comfort in knowing that you guys will not ever figure it out the way you are going, and that gives us plenty of time to finish the boards and GIVE IT AWAY FOR FREE, FREE, FREE !!! That way the greedy bastards who are looking to cash in on it , never will.... You say woodsides board is perfect as well huh ? As perfect as yours ?
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 07, 2015, 04:25:37 am
just so you know i dont recieve any money for any of them boards.. once or twice toward the beginning.. few hundred i did but thats it.. I dont care to make money on it!!!!! and i havent!!!!! i made stuff max had more made and wanted to sell them to other people so they could try it too... i focused on working with the vic circuit.. never got it to work. why do you keep trying to fight? this is my last message for now because i dont have time for negative energy.
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 07, 2015, 04:31:27 am
just so you know i dont recieve any money for any of them boards.. once or twice toward the beginning.. few hundred i did but thats it.. I dont care to make money on it!!!!! and i havent!!!!! i made stuff max had more made and wanted to sell them to other people so they could try it too... i focused on working with the vic circuit.. never got it to work. why do you keep trying to fight? this is my last message for now because i dont have time for negative energy.
Not a fight bro, I just am the kind of person to stand up for what is right, all everyone does is butcher Stan's work, claim they know how it works....when in reality it is the contrary ....That is very annoying to me...you just happen to be teamed up with a douche bag Liar, max miller....guilty by association ...an old saying slade...show me your friends you are showing me yourself...
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 07, 2015, 04:36:31 am
Well Neal im guilty by affilation you say. i talk to max like once every month... . Im sorry you to had a fall out and seem to like to handle it by yelling on the internet.. but i dont understand why its directed toward me LOL
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 07, 2015, 04:39:14 am
Well Neal im guilty by affilation you say. i talk to max like once every month... . Im sorry you to had a fall out and seem to like to handle it by yelling on the internet.. but i dont understand why its directed toward me LOL
I did not start anything...But I will finish it if necessary
Wait a minute , Are you not a partner in greenwater ?? With max miller per ritter ed chanson ??
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 07, 2015, 05:12:03 am
I'm going to post my final reply here, I was posting our work here so people could see a true replication of Stan Meyers work. Something you want see from anyone else. They will only be 3 of Stan's complete systems in the world when we get done, I will have one, Neal will have one and Quad City will have one if they still have it. What set's Neal and I aside from everyone else including Quad City, is I know how to make the gas, and I have shared that information with Neal. I am not here asking anyone to buy our boards or follow our footsteps, I was here to document and show our work. For most people this kind of project is to expensive for them, That's why people only build parts and pieces of it and expect it to work. I don't know you or anything about you outlawstc other than you drew a few boards and Max sold them. Whether they was right or wrong only matters to the people that bought them. If they had something wrong with them just remember your name was tied to them. Someone ought to make them right for the people that bought them. As far a Max Miller goes I have no use for him at all, and for good reasons. Max got enough money from Ed Chanson for what I was told to make a complete system for just about everyone, But instead he chose to go through it like candy and buy a couple O'Scopes with the money, Max got one, and I wonder who got the other one? 60,000.00+ per scope is a lot of money to pay for a scope. And didn't have not one of Stan's units made out of the money. If people gets tired going in circles and making things that keep doing the same thing, Look us up you know where to find us.
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 07, 2015, 09:48:18 am
Hi Guys,
I have really no idea what is now going on here. It seems to me that you are fighting an old fight with lots of frustration. This forum and me, have nothing to do with that fight.
Ron and Neal, i am happy to see that you are building the GSM unit, as you also have stated to have a working cell. If others like to try it differently, then also fine, i suppose.
I have stated thru the years always the same thing: On this forum, i would appreciate it when people stay civilized and keep their focus on technology. Thats how we can learn from each other and not making the same mistakes.
Just get this technology, when proven, into the world....... Thank you.
Steve
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 07, 2015, 14:26:29 pm
Steve, No disrespect to you brother. There is not really a fight going on, It is just simply the truth being told . The truth about people needs to be known. We were sharing nicely our progress. Then out of nowhere we were attacked by slade, perhaps approached aggressively is a better way to put it. Either way, we are good guys working tirelessly so the world can truly be a better place, with no expectation of a return on investment, and I will not allow, or accept anyone trying to blur the truth for people, I have learned a lot of lessons during my time in this research, The main lesson for me is that sheep come in wolves clothing posing as good people. Greed is what most researchers really are about. Evil presents itself in all forms.
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 07, 2015, 15:07:58 pm
Steve, No disrespect to you brother. There is not really a fight going on, It is just simply the truth being told . The truth about people needs to be known. We were sharing nicely our progress. Then out of nowhere we were attacked by slade, perhaps approached aggressively is a better way to put it. Either way, we are good guys working tirelessly so the world can truly be a better place, with no expectation of a return on investment, and I will not allow, or accept anyone trying to blur the truth for people, I have learned a lot of lessons during my time in this research, The main lesson for me is that sheep come in wolves clothing posing as good people. Greed is what most researchers really are about. Evil presents itself in all forms.
Ok Neal. Thanks for the explanation. Keep on going with the good work! So will I ;) ;) ;) Still winding coils here :-X
Steve
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 07, 2015, 15:20:27 pm
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 07, 2015, 22:50:38 pm
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Steve, No disrespect to you brother. There is not really a fight going on, It is just simply the truth being told . The truth about people needs to be known. We were sharing nicely our progress. Then out of nowhere we were attacked by slade, perhaps approached aggressively is a better way to put it. Either way, we are good guys working tirelessly so the world can truly be a better place, with no expectation of a return on investment, and I will not allow, or accept anyone trying to blur the truth for people, I have learned a lot of lessons during my time in this research, The main lesson for me is that sheep come in wolves clothing posing as good people. Greed is what most researchers really are about. Evil presents itself in all forms.
Here is my Vic card that Neal decided to slander and say its a P.O.S. its a exact replica of Stan's and works just like Stan's... just locks on with no bubbles..
Not sure where Neal gets the idea to talk bad about my work and act like he knows who I am and says hes speaking the truth about me.. Other than him trying to sell boards.. I DON'T CARE if you sell boards LIKE I SAID the ones i drew that max sold some of i don't have a monthly/weeky/ daily/ or yearly check coming from them. So for you to portray me in a way that i am not and that all im interested in is money is F'ed up..
I really dont want to have to even send this message and add yet more drama to your thread steve but I cant just let someone walk all over me and paint a false picture of who i am. just because they feel they know the absolute.. only the creator himself knows the real truth of a man.. For you to act like you know me is just plain wrong.. we have maybe had 2 short conversations on facebook in our entire life.. maybe crossed paths in forum discussion in the past.. and you feel like you know who i am. haha what a jerk
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 07, 2015, 23:12:29 pm
Steve, No disrespect to you brother. There is not really a fight going on, It is just simply the truth being told . The truth about people needs to be known. We were sharing nicely our progress. Then out of nowhere we were attacked by slade, perhaps approached aggressively is a better way to put it. Either way, we are good guys working tirelessly so the world can truly be a better place, with no expectation of a return on investment, and I will not allow, or accept anyone trying to blur the truth for people, I have learned a lot of lessons during my time in this research, The main lesson for me is that sheep come in wolves clothing posing as good people. Greed is what most researchers really are about. Evil presents itself in all forms.
Here is my Vic card that Neal decided to slander and say its a P.O.S. its a exact replica of Stan's and works just like Stan's... just locks on with no bubbles..
Not sure where Neal gets the idea to talk bad about my work and act like he knows who I am and says hes speaking the truth about me.. Other than him trying to sell boards.. I DON'T CARE if you sell boards LIKE I SAID the ones i drew that max sold some of i don't have a monthly/weeky/ daily/ or yearly check coming from them. So for you to portray me in a way that i am not and that all im interested in is money is F'ed up..
I really dont want to have to even send this message and add yet more drama to your thread steve but I cant just let someone walk all over me and paint a false picture of who i am. just because they feel they know the absolute.. only the creator himself knows the real truth of a man.. For you to act like you know me is just plain wrong.. we have maybe had 2 short conversations on facebook in our entire life.. maybe crossed paths in forum discussion in the past.. and you feel like you know who i am. haha what a jerk
You just cant leave well enough alone.........i will dig up an email from your business partner max miller green water energy concepts, which you are partnered to, stating to me that slade effed up that board and he wont even use it, but if I can get it to work , let him know how to do it.....That's where all this stems from , Your business partner ...I did not say that you were a bad person, wanting to make a living off of something for sale don't make you bad, what makes it bad is there are people who bought that board without warning that it does not work properly. Now they have a useless 120 dollar POS....I do know about you from your partners... And if your partners within the same company have no conscience about cheating someone, well?? that is your company as well is it not ?
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 08, 2015, 01:02:12 am
I do not have a business partner... me and max were doing work together and started off the with the approach of business partners but that never stemmed out to anything.. No ones business really but according to you it is..
People cant get stans circuits to work not because its no good.. but because they lack the patients, knowledge/ or experience to assemble it right.. My board is a replica so it needs to be set up with jumper wires just like stans and needs other circuits like the gating signal and the analog stuff.
The problems with my vic not making bubbles could be related to several things, transformers not right, resonant cavity is not right, other never spoke of crucial electronics for proper functionality not presented or thought of..
Max never tried the circuits when i was using them even though i insisted him and ed should.. neither were interested in messing with and both were more interested in telling how to try it and do it.. I did my own studies and trials.. i did not get any results.. the circuit performed as described by stan and locks on but with no bubbles..
your email from max saying "stating to me that slade effed up that board and he wont even use it"
could that be max saying he f'ed up that board for just the simple fact it did not have a result of lots of bubbles and that was max's assumption? well if its not working it must be because outlaw built the board wrong.. then you ask max " hey whats up with outlaws vic?" he blurts out how he feels its going.
This is the only thing i could see as max meaning by that because my board is not messed up! all the traces are correct. so max says something he believes based on my results ( no bubbles) and you take it as gods honest truth literally that slade designed the board wrong.. then go run your mouth like you know what your talking about.
Ive actually drawn up 3 different Vics neal and the first one works too! here is a video of the second one! My third one was a replica layout!
But just so you know I dont give two craps what that email says with a guy i was working with (max) a couple years ago with initial business intentions that faded out to nothing .. I'm no ones business partner understand? Or do i need to say it another time?
I think this is all childish and wish i didnt have to sit here and defend myself.
In the beginning i had some issues with locking on at all because i had a wrong valued cap in the lock detection circuit.. fixed that.. not a trace error.. just a component value error..
The thing is im not out to make tons of money.. if it gets figured out by me or someone else i wouldnt mind making a well paid career or business opportunity out of it..
I'm not going to cater to people who buy the circuit i drew up.. If they are passionate about the circuit they bought they would be learning it like they should to truly understand the nature of the circuit.. so the fact they dont get a turn key circuit and have to put it together and learn it then get frustrated and say they got a junk circuit because they lack ability.. That's their problem.. I'm not here to hold people hands in learning. whos here to hold my hand?
Recently I started drawing a new Vic circuit that i think will be more versatile in experimenting with. Allowing advanced control of certain aspects of it. this is more of a time to time hobby for me now and not a obsession.. but im sure if i stumble across results with my part time hobby or worthy new info it would become a obsession again. But most of all its NOT a business for me like you KEEP trying to state.
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 08, 2015, 01:46:46 am
If you guys figured it out im happy for you and cant wait to see it.. im not a poor sport i dont care where it comes from i want to see it and do it too! just like everyone else... but i mean i dont see the point of making the car run to prove you got it.. all you should be proving is the method of production to the world.. everything else would fall in place and engineered for mass production..
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 19, 2015, 04:39:58 am
Slateoutlaw is it!? I have one of your VIC PCB Boards I paid $120 for. thought I see they are now $159 at the Stanley Meyers web shop now. I have traced it out from the estate pictures and have found at least 4 mistakes! Missing components values?!?!?!? there is no support for this card at all! I have asked Max And Per in the passed for help on it....to no avail.
I really regret buying it now and am deeply disturbed that Max and Per are still trying to sell the defected batch. I personally would never sell anything if I new it was never going to work as stated! or if I was not able to help or support others get it going, as they paid for a product that they were told was good.
You will notice that even Max does not use this VIC board!
knowing what I no now, I feel I was ripped off! I feel cheated by them. and I learned a big lesson! Talk is cheap and Max is a liar and Per is ignorant of what he is selling.
Maybe your PCB board is from a good batch outlaw!.....I would need to see both sides of it oe check.... but the board I got is not correct!
You say your not here to hold other peoples hand and that might be so if your not making any monetary gain here now on the boards.....but I am afraid holding peoples hand or helping them is why we are all here is it not? plus if you were to sell stuff in that same time frame you are obligated to support the product you are creating funds from!
In my case.... Per Ritter or Max should have offered the support!
None given nor a refund was ever granted.
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 19, 2015, 05:07:43 am
And there are others, but I did not want to drag others into this... This is getting old now....Back at it full speed next week, I have had a great time relaxing in Cuba for the past week. Things will move along even better now
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 19, 2015, 14:48:30 pm
Slateoutlaw is it!? I have one of your VIC PCB Boards I paid $120 for. thought I see they are now $159 at the Stanley Meyers web shop now. I have traced it out from the estate pictures and have found at least 4 mistakes! Missing components values?!?!?!? there is no support for this card at all! I have asked Max And Per in the passed for help on it....to no avail.
I really regret buying it now and am deeply disturbed that Max and Per are still trying to sell the defected batch. I personally would never sell anything if I new it was never going to work as stated! or if I was not able to help or support others get it going, as they paid for a product that they were told was good.
You will notice that even Max does not use this VIC board!
knowing what I no now, I feel I was ripped off! I feel cheated by them. and I learned a big lesson! Talk is cheap and Max is a liar and Per is ignorant of what he is selling.
Maybe your PCB board is from a good batch outlaw!.....I would need to see both sides of it oe check.... but the board I got is not correct!
You say your not here to hold other peoples hand and that might be so if your not making any monetary gain here now on the boards.....but I am afraid holding peoples hand or helping them is why we are all here is it not? plus if you were to sell stuff in that same time frame you are obligated to support the product you are creating funds from!
In my case.... Per Ritter or Max should have offered the support!
None given nor a refund was ever granted.
Thats why i aways wanted to just give the schematics of my pll circuit and refused to buy from the start=) anyway even if i just posted the schematic some people is normal and have question but some people came to me like if i was obliged to make it work for all.. even if it was for free hehe
For me it were really more important to know what each pin was doing!
i remember to catch some errors in some pcb that were being sold a few time ago (i don't want to mention any names) ... very basic errors but i tried to point them so those selling it could maybe improve their design.. I was very ignored in my regard but in the end i think they have updated it...
I got Ronny and Neals boards almost assembled here but i'm damn sure its going to do what they tell me if i just use the right components. the boards are amazing!
thanks by the way for the great job on it guys!
Cuba may be the best place in the world today!
Happy for you!
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 31, 2015, 22:06:44 pm
Finally... All coils are wounded by hand. My version of the VIC and cell are done now. Next step: soldering my pcb of my new sqaurewave board...
cheers!
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 31, 2015, 23:02:34 pm
Looks good Steve......I will share the photo's for you
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 02, 2015, 20:37:59 pm
very nice work Steve,can we see the anodes inside?how much did they charge you for machining one anode?
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 02, 2015, 23:36:36 pm
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 25, 2015, 00:40:14 am
whats that bro?
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 25, 2015, 09:38:03 am
After 8 years of testing and experimenting, i found a way to produce highly ionized oxygen and hydrogen by use of this secret electronic steering device.
When you have the proper electrodes in your cell with specific size and distance, working in a soft pressurized environment, tuned into resonance of the watermolecule, you can see an anomaly. That special state produces litres of hho per minute, you never have seen before. The gas is also not the same as from electrolysis cells. A test in a lab provided that outcome. Maybe i will make a video of the setup. Not sure yet if i want to share the totall technology as open source. I want to market this solution towards all the ends of the world. Make a better place for my children.
Steve
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 25, 2015, 11:32:40 am
congratulations Steve
i waited for this,
i just took a deep breath...
i hope you decide what its better for the technology! I have my opinions and you know that already so i will only respect hope we can work on together on this whatever your choice is!
Im very happy now..
by the way i googled it but i found only things related to car... what is a steering device?
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 25, 2015, 14:39:01 pm
Hope is not the trick day in your country 8)
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 25, 2015, 15:34:43 pm
I just took some words that i rememberd from the many fails claims........Made a shiny story out of it....
Its just the pwm of electrojolt that i am building......
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 25, 2015, 16:16:09 pm
I just took some words that i rememberd from the many fails claims........Made a shiny story out of it....
Its just the pwm of electrojolt that i am building......
Oh man let it shine
i'm doing some work here... on the feedback... i found that its getting 90degree dephased when get the resonance at the coil on the vic.. thats why its getting it off from resonance... but what is so strange is that there should not be 90 degrees there... what cause it? do you know how can i change a signal phase? maybe with opamps?
its little hard to go with only two channel old oscilloscope.. to see all this i have to use the multimeter too so i can see if resonance peak arrived...
i also noticed the false lock in conditions that should be avoided... i believe... i would be when the pll locks to the subharmonics
for example my coil 700turns resonate at 40khz it will lock at 63khz and at 22khz it will lock at the last if i turn off the voltage and climb up again...
reverting the feedback it dont lock to sub..
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 25, 2015, 19:56:04 pm
Realy Steve?thats why you didnt respond to any of my mails,because you want to keep it to yourself,good luck with that,at least thank Ronnie....
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 25, 2015, 20:44:56 pm
its a joke, ady smile
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 26, 2015, 01:23:46 am
jokes appart i guess someone already created a theory for your claims...
i have a couple of them, physical explanations to your claims..
highly ionized gases would be both polarity without the electron extractor...
the gases come off rapid because of the way the diatomic molecules are formed generating heat so big bubbles.., the charged bubble clusters than are accelerated by the electromagnetic fields inside the resonant cavity exiting the cavity at increased velocity..
and the secrete steering device just keep it on resonance driving the wiper arm of the vic right
hahah
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 26, 2015, 19:36:18 pm
you seem prety serious steve,it didnt looked like a joke,sory if i ofended you anyway
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 07, 2015, 13:35:24 pm
I'm opening up an extend opportunity for anyone how is needing a 6 cell WFC This is a non profit operation.
Its not to late for any last late comers....but the door is closing on this product run scheduled for mid October and may not do another for some time. Anyone else still interested in ordering one or parts off it....needs to contact me ASAP. adam@elitepoles.com or within 2-3 days.
I might open this invitation to other sites to get the word out.
It works out to be $402NZD excluding (acetal cover) 15% gst and other taxes, shipping, drawings, ect. This is just for the machined acetal parts.
To no more about this operation visit http://app.hydrofuel.ca/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=42&start=30
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 07, 2015, 16:24:37 pm
That sounds like a good offer, Ant!
Well done, i would say.
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 07, 2015, 17:00:19 pm
sorry for crashing your thread Steve. I just no all the right people watch here also. Please feel free to delete at the end of the month.
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 08, 2015, 05:45:50 am
this could calculate to a competitive price for USA folk when compared to USA local cost. nz$465 = US$304 , (thats gst added)
because NZ is a producer its dollar is always butchered so its favourable for over seas
http://coinmill.com/NZD_USD.html
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 17, 2016, 21:22:14 pm
Give this man a reward! What a crazy year was 2015. I am so happy to be back on track a bit. Not that you probably care about, but still. My cell was already ready. My VIC was also ready.But my PWM was a pain in the ass. But today i got my first tests with the pwm. It ran directly after i soldered the last components and wires. The PWM is with gate option and pulse width is adjustable. Now i really need another scoop.....this one is really at its end. Now i need to finetune the pwm a bit and put it in its box.
cheers!
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 17, 2016, 22:08:32 pm
Steve if you don't mind I'll post a quote from my new machinist with this cell that will come all ready to go as it is just plug and play.
It will come fully wired with 20kv high voltage wire and will be shielded for your protection, plus a water level float for auto filling. Now with this design I can make it so that laser energy can be added to the system but at an extra cost. I'll hold the tolerances to +/- 0.001 so that each cell will have approximately the same space gap between the resonant cavities. This will be for a ten resonant cavity setup that will be all wired up and ready to go, plus the quote I get will last for two months. All of you know that TGS provides a high quality value added product as you all have seen the things we build.
Let me know if any of you are interested.
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 17, 2016, 22:28:05 pm
Hi Ed,
I do not need such a cell for the moment. I have a very nice cell and also components for a second one. 1 cell contains 4 sets of tubes. All very well made. So, if i dont get this to work, then i will stop with Meyer......
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 18, 2016, 03:04:01 am
I do not need such a cell for the moment. I have a very nice cell and also components for a second one. 1 cell contains 4 sets of tubes. All very well made. So, if i don't get this to work, then i will stop with Meyer......
I understand. More than likely I will be picking up some quenching circuit tubing in about 4-5 months perhaps sooner. It's been redesigned to have fare more quenching circuit holes than Meyer's had as the technology of today has improved much since Meyer's time.
Hopefully soon I will have the complete exciter array kit to add to the product list. I just have a few more things to build and test out to make sure I have it working correctly now. If all goes as planned this will be the year the technology hits the market.
TGS
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 27, 2016, 20:03:57 pm
Tomorrow evening i will pick up my new used scoop. One that i hope, really works good. Its a Fluke pm 3065 Its a 100mhz 2 channel scope, with some automatic features on it.
Costed me a 150 euros....
Ps. I also use a transformer between wall outlet and scope to prevend any ground effects..
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 27, 2016, 20:06:28 pm
Can anybody advise me on which blocking diode works the best, or which one Meyer used?
Cheers!
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 27, 2016, 20:12:08 pm
Stan used MUR 1550 diode.I found mur 1560 which is almost the same
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 27, 2016, 20:16:34 pm
steve i tried many but none did any magic...
i constructed something that may be usefull... a string of tvs diodes 400v pke 60diodes in series.. than i diped into transformer varnish... its roled soldering the minimal space of legs... it takes 2,5 diodes for each turn so is very compact....
i also use microwave diodes and they seems nice too...
i would go for 30a 1200v ultra high freq rated...
nice scope man! congrats for the new acquisition!
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 27, 2016, 21:57:39 pm
Thanks guys!
How about this diode? STTH15S12 Its used for boosting circuits.... Its a bit quicker in recovery Trr and also morr volts and amps....
Cheers
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 27, 2016, 22:03:42 pm
jumping in here. I tried the stth. it got hot and smoked. the microwave diodes run cool, fwiw
I recently put a old car ignition coil on each side of my array and saw a nice improvement running at 3 ma.
kb
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 28, 2016, 01:53:28 am
does anyone know how much reverse current is needed for a diode reach the piv to break?
on tvs the current can be very high... but i know some diodes are avalanch rated meaning if i understood well that if we apply a voltage greater than the reverse piv than there is a current flow but also high power dissipation on the diode because the high voltage times reversed amp...
http://www.datasheetspdf.com/PDF/1N1198/532201/1
i work here with some tvs called 1,5ke400c this kind of is A POWER zenner and ultra fast too...basically as the voltage aproach the zenner voltage the current reach a point where above it it increase exponentialy... its used to protect my switching devices... unfortunatelty this is the most powerfull i could find here in brazil... there are better options outside here...
i use them in series and parallel to increase the power it can handle here..
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 28, 2016, 06:35:41 am
you can look at data sheets of any diode Im using 1.5KE18A what are you protecting?
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve.. some thoughts about harmonic
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 01, 2016, 15:58:50 pm
Application of nonsinusoidal excitation voltages to transformers increase the iron lesses in the magnetic core of the transformer in much the same way as in a motor. A more serious effect of harmonic loads served by transformers is due to an increase in winding eddy current losses. Eddy currents are circulating currents in the conductors induced by the sweeping action of the leakage magnetic field on the conductors. Eddy current concentrations are higher at the ends of the transformer windings due to the crowding effect of the leakage magnetic fields at the coil extremities. The eddy current losses increase as the square of the current in the conductor and the square of its frequency. The increase in transformer eddy current loss due to harmonics has a significant effect on the operating temperature of the transformer. Transformers that are required to supply power to nonlinear loads must be derated based on the percentages of harmonic components in the load current and the rated winding eddy current loss.
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 23, 2016, 00:11:50 am
Hi,
Here a scopeshot of what i see acros my primary of the VIC. I was able to remove some nasty spikes at the beginning of the pulses. I think it looks nice. Ron advised to spend lots of time on the primary...so i did. I added 3x 220ohms resistors across the prim and a fast switching diode as well. Hope it is good enough. Tomorrow i need to tune the chokes. Take some windings off till certain lenght? Any tips?
Cheers
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 23, 2016, 00:33:43 am
Beautiful waveforms Steve
i never get that positive spike on mine maybe because i dont use a diode across the coil...
this seem like the current is not falling to zero on the coil..
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 23, 2016, 00:40:15 am
i never get that positive spike on mine maybe because i dont use a diode across the coil...
this seem like the current is not falling to zero on the coil..
Well, if i remove that diode from across the prim, the totall waveform goes bad.. As far as i understood, a squarewave creates the most harmonics. So, the better square it looks, the better it must be....
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 23, 2016, 01:12:43 am
After a bit more tinkering, most of the disturbtions are gone... Only if i enhance the view i still see some ringing....
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 23, 2016, 03:18:32 am
well yes, however pulse after pulse you reach saturation under this condition since the primary current is not being allowed to properly discharge since the diode create a path of low resistance for it to keep flowing and so it wont be able to allow the field to collapse...
that can still be the right way, i´m not saying anything... what i see here is that when i add the diode the core saturates and the voltage drops... when gating the voltage rise again untill it saturates again...
to reset the core the dischage path of the diode should have the same impedance of the power supply at least to allow the core to properly reset during off time...
the diode completely kill the flyback voltage multiplication action too... if you add a resistor of proper value you still have a square wave output top but the bottom may be that of negative exponential of a coil discharging into a resistor...
donald L smith tallks about a resistor that must go in parallel with a primary
basically its value would depend on the frequency to be applied but if its usually greater than the impedance of the power supply that charged the coil it will be already enough to reset the core.... since the time it takes to charge the coil depends also on the load side i guess we might think of it as a whole system..
in my case here i have a 250ohm in parallel with the primary in series with the diode... this give me 1000v when i switch off the primary when there is 4 amps into it...
the power supply i use has around 10ohms to 5 ohms depending on the applied voltage on the variac thats because before the full wave bridge rectifier i have a step down isolation transformer with secondary over rated to have low resistance... so when my variac goes from 0 to 250v the step down makes it from 0 to 100 with up to 10 amps ability i also have a 3 10mf capacitors in series connected to the full wave bridge rectifier output... the dc is isolated from mains ground in my case..the step down transformer is a variac that i took out of the case and wound enough 18awg wire to give 100v feeding from the similar variac... i guess were 120t cant remember...
in my case steve i´m using tvs that limit the voltage of the primary to a predetermined level depending on the current level
a 400v tvs that will develop 400v at 1 amps have than 400 ohms aproximately of resistance... but adding this in parallel wont bring the resistance down much but wold increase so as would increase the amps handling... since a lower current is discharged thru each device it will discharge at a higher voltage at each theretoo a higher resistance for each ...
its essencial in this design to not allow the primary to burn the igbt of mosfet in use..
using the diode in parallel with the primary the voltage during the pulse of at the drain of the mosfet should be a little smaller than the dc supply because of the voltage drop of the diode because of the current from the primary...
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 23, 2016, 03:22:39 am
there is a kind of match called diode match that can be used that would consist in using a power zenner or tvs rated to the supply voltage to allow the primary to discharge to exact this voltage all its current,... this would allow a perfect square wave! the drain would see under this condition exactly twice the power supply voltage during pulse off...
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 23, 2016, 03:55:37 am
some old ideas my friend
this is a circuit i tests once and was capable of lighting a 100 watt light bulb... atually the cicuit tested used 4 cc cores one contained a primary a non dissipative snuber coil and a feed back input coil..
than there was a huge thick bery thick one turn copper wire shorted turn that coupled the other 3 cores.. on the other 3 cores there was two coils one having 300 turns that was the output and there was also a feedback output coil.. .the load was connected to the output coil or using the output coil and subtracting its voltage from the input feedback coil creating an autofeedback thru load...... i stoped testing because i had no ideas to proceed and wss to busy with the university.. but seemed promising ... it was based on the work of tane heins and willian barbat... basically it was a mix of the two ideas...
but the surprinsing effect was that under no load the voltage output was huge....
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 23, 2016, 06:36:29 am
i never get that positive spike on mine maybe because i dont use a diode across the coil...
this seem like the current is not falling to zero on the coil..
Well, if i remove that diode from across the prim, the totall waveform goes bad.. As far as i understood, a squarewave creates the most harmonics. So, the better square it looks, the better it must be....
One note on the harmonics,that is a square wave only puts out odd harmonics.If you want any even harmonics it takes a triangular slope
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 23, 2016, 08:19:30 am
i just thought of something if we consider the tubes as an infinitely long transmission line... (like adding a capacitor at the end of the tubes) it create a current in such a way that would create a tangential magnetic field that in conjuction with the axial electric field applied therefore current flow thru electrolyte there is formed a magnetohydrodynamic force that would force the ions in one way.. longitudinaly
if the current and electric field keep in the same direction the force is unidirectional
this force can be in the direction of the bubbles flow or in the other way...
what is the required configuration as to move water upwards with the bubbles?
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 23, 2016, 08:39:04 am
i never get that positive spike on mine maybe because i dont use a diode across the coil...
this seem like the current is not falling to zero on the coil..
Well, if i remove that diode from across the prim, the totall waveform goes bad.. As far as i understood, a squarewave creates the most harmonics. So, the better square it looks, the better it must be....
One note on the harmonics,that is a square wave only puts out odd harmonics.If you want any even harmonics it takes a triangular slope
Thanks! I never thought of that one....
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 23, 2016, 09:52:53 am
Crap i told ya wrong on those harmonics :/ Triangle have only odd harmonics too...idk y i thought different.
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 23, 2016, 10:13:16 am
No problem, kevin.
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 23, 2016, 10:14:10 am
My drinking water specs are:
pH 8.33 154 PPM
Is this good or bad for a Meyer system? Anybody?
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 23, 2016, 11:17:54 am
When i cook the water and cool the vapours down , i have around 30 PPM.....
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 23, 2016, 18:26:41 pm
Hey Mr,
Your water is little harder than mine here i have tap water at 90ppm and using a filter i can bring to 0ppm
not sure if is good for meyer..
i´m planning to close the holes of my cells such to have greater isolation between tube sets...
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 23, 2016, 20:24:50 pm
So, i now measured the output of the secondairy coil in my VIC.
I got a nice sinewave out of it at 25khz. Output voltage unloaded, just my scopeprobe: 200VAC at 12Vdc inout till 600VAC at 31Vdc.
Fabio, when i remove the diode from across the primary, i get a little bit more output on the secondairy, without disrupting the sinewave. I also took a little gap between the two core parts of about 5mm. That helped out as well.
I now have to modify 1 capacitor in my PWM, as the 25khz is almost as high as it goes now. Small modification, but needed.
So, i can understand that Meyer used a 600V diode as VIC diode with his setup!!!!!
Now, up to my chokes. Will start with equal lenghts, as my 4 cell waterfuelcell in series should be also equal in metal surface....
Cheers
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 23, 2016, 20:51:18 pm
Same output volts here Steve,without the diode across the primary.With the diode it kills it at 130v max.
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 23, 2016, 21:35:08 pm
Thanks Adys! Good to know.
Here a scopeshot..
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 23, 2016, 23:37:58 pm
most meyer diagrams shows nothing but the switch.. but you are all right to try all ways man..
i´m finishing some projects now and keepon testing!!!
i was considering if having capacitors in parallel with the cell woudnt create an alternate path for the force...
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 24, 2016, 19:18:15 pm
Hi people,
Today, i modified all my coils to the famous numbers of Don Gable.
I tried many settings etc etc etc.
I am now a bit depressive that i also didnt see 1 buble being produced.... I achieve resonance, at least, i think i do.
Must admitte i use the water from my sink, which is not destilled water.... Might that be the case?
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 24, 2016, 21:25:31 pm
Can u post your circuit and let everybody look at it?
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 24, 2016, 22:42:27 pm
just dont get depressive because of it... is very very sad but thats why is always possible to try something else....
i tried with ultra pure water from miliQ and my 0ppm water... rain water and waterfall water... i just didnt tried sea water in that configuration... and chemicals...
how are your meters connected?
in my opinion like tunin an antena to a satelite if we get an indicator that the reaction is about to happen may be easier to find the point.. a micro camera inside the cell...
i believe ronie may have found something special but working with this coils is very strange.
this could be
frequency where water current or voltage peak or become zero...
frequency where theres is a amplified or reduced electromagnetic radiation?
when tuning a satelite i use the tv and the receptor to find the the signal when it sounds its close to the tuning,,,
maybe we could do a sort of indicator that translate to sound with adjustable threshold of detection... for EM waves basically a coil and voltimeter could work maybe..
therewere was long ago some set of informations in a domcument called hydrostar or something like do you remember?
it had a toroidal coil that went over the tubes..
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 24, 2016, 23:41:02 pm
just dont get depressive because of it... is very very sad but thats why is always possible to try something else....
i tried with ultra pure water from miliQ and my 0ppm water... rain water and waterfall water... i just didnt tried sea water in that configuration... and chemicals...
how are your meters connected?
in my opinion like tunin an antena to a satelite if we get an indicator that the reaction is about to happen may be easier to find the point.. a micro camera inside the cell...
i believe ronie may have found something special but working with this coils is very strange.
this could be
frequency where water current or voltage peak or become zero...
frequency where theres is a amplified or reduced electromagnetic radiation?
when tuning a satelite i use the tv and the receptor to find the the signal when it sounds its close to the tuning,,,
maybe we could do a sort of indicator that translate to sound with adjustable threshold of detection... for EM waves basically a coil and voltimeter could work maybe..
therewere was long ago some set of informations in a domcument called hydrostar or something like do you remember?
it had a toroidal coil that went over the tubes..
I have connected in many ways my scope probes. Best thing was to hook up the probe to the cell, with using the ground of the prope. But when i measure or tune the prim or sec, i use the ground as well.
Kevin, here a pic of the whole thing. Its a pwm hooked up to a FET IRF640 3x 220 ohms resisitors across the prim
VIC according Don Gables specs 4 cells in serie. I also tried a single cell.
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 26, 2016, 00:09:05 am
So, i tried water with a PPM of 34. Its destilled water. Nothing, not 1 buble. If i hook all 3 secondairys in series, i get a HV reading, but there is no current at all. It does sting or even spark....
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 26, 2016, 01:49:22 am
Doesnt seem like anyone else is going to respond????? I have to guess and suggest to double check your PWM has propper bypass caps in place...im at that and transient supression with my PWM as well...it looks like Max is here..itd be nice to see him help...new member AR-Group looks intetesting..hopefully someone who can...will help.
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 26, 2016, 04:19:35 am
steve i could only get high voltage out of this coils by reducing the primary turns... and even to wound the primary over the secondary or bellow... i reduced down to 100 0r s0... but actually most of times i get ultra high voltage the tunrs are less than this...
i also saw very few if any bubbles with my tests with very pure water...
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 26, 2016, 16:30:39 pm
Doesnt seem like anyone else is going to respond????? I have to guess and suggest to double check your PWM has propper bypass caps in place...im at that and transient supression with my PWM as well...it looks like Max is here..itd be nice to see him help...new member AR-Group looks intetesting..hopefully someone who can...will help.
Its very very silent.... I agree with you Kevin. There are so many silent lurckers here..... Too bad...
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 26, 2016, 21:43:14 pm
Hello Steve.
Where did you got this core?
What is your AL value?
I contacted a supplier and said what range of frequencies i will use and they replied "we sugest about 2500 perm."
If you dont know and you have a LCR meter, you wind 100 turns or so, and measure the inductance with the mounted core, the go to:
http://powermagnetics.co.uk/calculator
enter inductance and number of turns you winded and you get the AL value.
High AL value core saturates at low freqs.
Try a different core like old color tube TV flyback core like Max miller did. I got some bubbles with tap water with this type of core.
I hope it helps a bit.
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Post by: Login to see usernames on February 26, 2016, 22:37:20 pm
I contacted a supplier and said what range of frequencies i will use and they replied "we sugest about 2500 perm."
If you dont know and you have a LCR meter, you wind 100 turns or so, and measure the inductance with the mounted core, the go to:
http://powermagnetics.co.uk/calculator
enter inductance and number of turns you winded and you get the AL value.
High AL value core saturates at low freqs.
Try a different core like old color tube TV flyback core like Max miller did. I got some bubbles with tap water with this type of core.
I hope it helps a bit.
Hi X-blade
The core has a permability of 2000. I dont have a LCR meter, but i do have an inductance meter and capacitor meter.
The fun thing is, that i see lots of nice waveforms on my scope. It doesnt matter which coil i use a secondairy or chokes.
Today, i added 1 extra diode in my setup and had a big succes! Every 5 seconds, 1 tiny buble........
Yeah, it was still shit.
What did Max do? Thought he replicated a working VIC? I just replicated the VIC as seen and measured by Don Gable.
So, with destilled water and 1 extra diode, i got some tiny bubles today, after trying of combining coils, turning them around, flipping, put them in series etc etc etc.....
My 2 cents is that some leaking current is creating the 5 bubles i seen today....
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 27, 2016, 03:02:44 am
people only logs to download stuf than keep in steath mode kkkk
yes man probably thats due to the low leakge thru water
i´m starting to think we should go and put some 25% of hydroxyde and start from it...
horvath seem to have inspire meyer in many ways... from the understanding of my reading or perhaps they did the same thing in different ways.. .
maybe we could get one from the other;;
meyer clearly claimed sea water could be used
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Post by: Login to see usernames on February 27, 2016, 03:15:46 am
a super saturated solution would be very caustic... but acrylic stands well and so delrin should do as well
stanless steel should be used for some certain reason...
in horvath patents he uses nickel electrodes...
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Post by: Login to see usernames on February 27, 2016, 19:18:39 pm
Maybe don or other guy changed the core gap and it changes the overall inductance. Don sad it has no gap. Max Miller showed a picture where wecan clearly see the gap. The hole on the coil former has any propose, think about it.
Nobody replicated it sucessfully.
Ravi Raju did his own way with 12v and 0.5A with conditioning. that was not properly a Stan Meyer replication.
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 29, 2016, 00:22:00 am
Maybe don or other guy changed the core gap and it changes the overall inductance. Don sad it has no gap. Max Miller showed a picture where wecan clearly see the gap. The hole on the coil former has any propose, think about it.
Nobody replicated it sucessfully.
Ravi Raju did his own way with 12v and 0.5A with conditioning. that was not properly a Stan Meyer replication.
X, Ravi was hiding lots of stuff and was not honest at all. So, thats a bad example for me.
I played with gap and no gap. The vic is working for me better with a gap.
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Post by: Login to see usernames on February 29, 2016, 00:23:38 am
people only logs to download stuf than keep in steath mode kkkk
yes man probably thats due to the low leakge thru water
i´m starting to think we should go and put some 25% of hydroxyde and start from it...
horvath seem to have inspire meyer in many ways... from the understanding of my reading or perhaps they did the same thing in different ways.. .
maybe we could get one from the other;;
meyer clearly claimed sea water could be used
If you start with potasium in yr cell, you cannot get it clean, almost, if you want to run it back on destilled and yr plastics might break down.. Its very agressive stuff..
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 29, 2016, 00:26:28 am
So, again, i put some hours in the famous vic, as i had a nice brainwave.
Nothing fancy to mention...
>:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 29, 2016, 03:14:27 am
what frequencies you are able to hit it Steve?
in my vics it resonates around 100khz depends on the core and wire lengh aparently
when i connect the secondary to ground it brings the potential of the cell up and down..
i was considering having two isolated cells with two separeted water sources
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Post by: Login to see usernames on February 29, 2016, 15:48:04 pm
in my vics it resonates around 100khz depends on the core and wire lengh aparently
when i connect the secondary to ground it brings the potential of the cell up and down..
i was considering having two isolated cells with two separeted water sources
will check for that tonight...
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Post by: Login to see usernames on March 01, 2016, 03:16:45 am
its increadible how shiny the electrodes can get, realy its like mirrors now... i will take a picture... for you... it took me hours to get this point but i will still go further with a finer sandpaper
regarding that idea basically what i mean is that when we give a reference point to the circuit is possible to understand where things are going and be sure what is going on.
how your tests came out?
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 14, 2016, 15:25:51 pm
update:
After days and evenings, i started to cry very hard. I asked by email and PM people who clamed to have a working VIC , like GPSSONAR aka Ronny Walker, for help. Not even a reply, which i think is very rude.
Now, i have removed my primary and secondairy coil and went for finding resonance of my 2 choke coils. I found it! I created a perfect sinewave acros my cell at 30V and 10mA from my powersupply. It created some gas.
Now call me stupid......If i modify my primary and secondairy in sucg a way that they are tuned for the same frequency, i can use for feeding my chokes. That way i should be able to feed them with higher volts. Aming for at least 500V..... Hope that works..
cheers
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Post by: Login to see usernames on March 14, 2016, 16:39:03 pm
At least you are working and getting some progress wich is definately better than armchair warriors :) good for you !!!! Ill have an inductance meter tomorrow to continue on....have you ever measured i nductance of your cell ?
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Post by: Login to see usernames on March 14, 2016, 23:52:19 pm
At least you are working and getting some progress wich is definately better than armchair warriors :) good for you !!!! Ill have an inductance meter tomorrow to continue on....have you ever measured i nductance of your cell ?
On special demand: my cell has dem.water in there during measurement 1 tubeset inductance 0.38mH on the 20mH setting, 0.288 on the 2mH setting 4 tubesets in parallel is inductance 0.11mH at 20mH setting and 0.84mH at 2mH setting
So, these numbers are strange to me, KS..... What does they say to you?
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 15, 2016, 00:33:46 am
Steve, Capacitors have no inductance. Only capacitance (nf, uF, pF, etc).
Only coils have inductance (and capacitance too).
The tubes on water can be very difficult to measure.
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Post by: Login to see usernames on March 15, 2016, 05:46:12 am
Thanks Steve, i was currious how large an inductance ut would measure...im currious if its alltho measuring capacitance as well if it actually performs as a capacitor in the circuit...Stans bro said more like a transistor.Im hoping to learn those things as well....amplitude modulation is something else im trying to learn and master:)There is an analyzer meter for capacitors to tell if they "pass" as an actual compent as well.
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 15, 2016, 09:08:31 am
inductance is how much the amps increase as function of time and it has a reversal of voltage when current is stoped...
a capacitor is the oposite of this
i believe the meter wont be able to show proper value connected to the cell
i was wondering about the electrostatic filter steve and why would it be electrostatic at all
i believe it must be the negative part of the system...
what if we elctrolyse a solution with net charge?
Say if its negative it can be accelerated to move back and forth by alternating positive pulses to the electrodes..
for example if it were a sodium hydroxide solution very dilute... the sodium ions are positive correct?
in pure water we see no hydrogen because of recombination... as there is the same amount of ions as the oposite ions attach to each other before reaching the electrode.. but what if there was only one type of ions? like oh- geting on another oh- by some resonant action?
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Post by: Login to see usernames on March 15, 2016, 09:16:42 am
Electrolyte selection[edit]
Hoffman voltameter connected to a direct current power supply If the above described processes occur in pure water, H+ cations will accumulate at the anode and OH− anions will accumulate at the cathode. This can be verified by adding a pH indicator to the water: the water near the anode is acidic while the water near the cathode is basic. The negative hydroxide ions that approach the anode mostly combine with the positive hydronium ions (H3O+) to form water. The positive hydronium ions that approach the negative cathode mostly combine with negative hydroxide ions to form water. Relatively few hydronium/hydroxide ions reach the cathode/anode. This can cause a concentration overpotential at both electrodes.
Pure water is a fairly good insulator since it has a low autoionization, Kw = 1.0 x 10−14 at room temperature and thus pure water conducts current poorly, 0.055 µS·cm−1. Unless a very large potential is applied to cause an increase in the autoionization of water the electrolysis of pure water proceeds very slowly limited by the overall conductivity.
If a water-soluble electrolyte is added, the conductivity of the water rises considerably. The electrolyte disassociates into cations and anions; the anions rush towards the anode and neutralize the buildup of positively charged H+ there; similarly, the cations rush towards the cathode and neutralize the buildup of negatively charged OH− there. This allows the continued flow of electricity.[6]
Care must be taken in choosing an electrolyte, since an anion from the electrolyte is in competition with the hydroxide ions to give up an electron. An electrolyte anion with less standard electrode potential than hydroxide will be oxidized instead of the hydroxide, and no oxygen gas will be produced. A cation with a greater standard electrode potential than a hydrogen ion will be reduced in its stead, and no hydrogen gas will be produced.
The following cations have lower electrode potential than H+ and are therefore suitable for use as electrolyte cations: Li+, Rb+, K+, Cs+, Ba2+, Sr2+, Ca2+, Na+, and Mg2+. Sodium and lithium are frequently used, as they form inexpensive, soluble salts.
If an acid is used as the electrolyte, the cation is H+, and there is no competitor for the H+ created by disassociating water. The most commonly used anion is sulfate (SO2− 4), as it is very difficult to oxidize, with the standard potential for oxidation of this ion to the peroxydisulfate ion being −2.05 volts.
Strong acids such as sulfuric acid (H2SO4), and strong bases such as potassium hydroxide (KOH), and sodium hydroxide (NaOH) are frequently used as electrolytes due to their strong conducting abilities.
A solid polymer electrolyte can also be used such as Nafion and when applied with a special catalyst on each side of the membrane can efficiently split the water molecule with as little as 1.5 Volts. There are also a number of other solid electrolyte systems that have been trialled and developed with a number of electrolysis systems now available commercially that use solid electrolytes.[7]
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 15, 2016, 12:48:27 pm
Steve, Capacitors have no inductance. Only capacitance (nf, uF, pF, etc).
Only coils have inductance (and capacitance too).
The tubes on water can be very difficult to measure.
I know. Thats why i put the different settings and results in there. Its fun to see the rresults, but i do not know if it brings me something...
Cheers!
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Post by: Login to see usernames on March 15, 2016, 15:43:24 pm
Stan said Faraday would have had to have the propperties of stainless steel to get the results he did...stainless steel...at least 304 is non magnetic...it has no effect in terms of inductance.... thinking out loud with ya :) meter just arrived ...keep on keepin on :)
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 15, 2016, 18:39:33 pm
check this compatibility chart for delrin material
basically it indicate that sodium hydroxide and potassium is ok with it..
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 18, 2016, 09:19:25 am
I realized something.... maybe the 11 water resonant cell is actually the electrical polarization generator... the one in the dealership manual..
i mean it has two separated water inputs the central one and the other that goes to water channel and distributes to the cells...
mEYER states that it only need the positive to work... but you can provide to colect the negative charges too...
if the water level is to be mantained bellow the caps the water may also stay by equilibrium in the same high level on the center of the cell
there is the possibility that the thing worked to concentrate negative or positive ions on both cavities formed... cells and the cup in center of the cells
the close proximity indicate there will be maximum force...
i believe it may work as a sort of kelvind water droper in the sense that it may split charge that may be carried out by the bubbles and or ions and this will provide electricity and gas accordingly...
i was thinking about a two stage ion spliter consisting of three tubes one being the ground and than subsequentially apply positive and ground to the other two tubes sequentialy switching than off ...
just some food for thought... i think i related the resonant cavity cell to the polarization generator by the configuration of the cup in the middle...
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Post by: Login to see usernames on March 18, 2016, 09:43:57 am
Its a nice thought.... :)
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 19, 2016, 13:48:34 pm
there are very few ways in which is possible to generate electricity.. .
i believe some basic principle is required.. we need to think a source of electricity as a source of current comming from a certain potential, just like the water in a waterfall would be the current and the high the potential..
than is necessary to abstract how would water constant liberate ion?
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 28, 2016, 03:54:11 am
The VIC on the secondairy side has 3 coils in totall as everybody knows. Normally spoken, when these coils are charged by the core and primary, they shall dis charge, when the circuit is closed. It starts with voltage and then followed by current. All normal stuff. Is there any reason to believe that this is not happening in Meyers setup?
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Post by: Login to see usernames on April 28, 2016, 10:07:53 am
Not sure if i understood well your reasoning.. but i guess it seem correct so far all you said..
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Post by: Login to see usernames on April 28, 2016, 12:36:08 pm
Not sure if i understood well your reasoning.. but i guess it seem correct so far all you said..
So, the discharging coils will puts current in the cell..... whether we like it or not. What i mean is that at the end , we have two options: 1. traditional coil discharge with start on high voltage, that creates a path for the charge / current that follows. 2. radio wave aka radiolysis and we transmit electromagnetic waves into the water, like Kansius did.
At least for the Meyer setup of things. Maybe he did setup 1 and used more then 1 VIC for his cell afterall. Because 1 vic doesnt deliver enough Joules........
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Post by: Login to see usernames on April 28, 2016, 12:39:48 pm
As he said in the new sealand vid: If you want more gas, use more wraps. Or a bigger coil.
You know, if the coil discharge is too quick, nothing happens. And you need a starting path in the water as well. Thats why Dan danforth starts with a bit of electrolysis and then discharges his coils in the water. I said this befor: a rope without any tension doesnt have any standing waves. But as soon as you make the rope thight, and hit it, you will notice waves....
cheers
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 29, 2016, 03:20:59 am
humm
yes
i think the bigger the coil willbe the bigger will be the potential it may be able to apply...
did you got my post on the theory behind the vic operation and my analogy to the magnetic circuit?
thinking of how to increase the electric field of the coil i was thinking that maybe we should have 4 coils to have a better balance... think about...
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Post by: Login to see usernames on April 29, 2016, 04:40:05 am
i mean if we are up to accept this analogy the vic maybe create a condition where the coil electric field is used such of that of a magnet in a open magnetic circuit... meaning that the electric potential is there..
i guess a thicker wire coil would be stronger as electric field source than a thin wire,...
in the patent meyer mention the chokes to be thicker actually
this meaning that a thicker wire would necessarely cary more of the electric field force
the potential can be negated on the other side by a thin wire since little current only should be allowed to flow saving space for the thick wire coil....
point realy being that the coils are field sources.. the secondary creates the open circuit somehow
the voltage of a coil is determined by the turns specially if its well coupled to another coil or primary thru a core..
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Post by: Login to see usernames on April 29, 2016, 11:37:14 am
As he said in the new zealand vid: If you want more gas, use more wraps. Or a bigger coil.
You know, if the coil discharge is too quick, nothing happens. And you need a starting path in the water as well. Thats why Dan danforth starts with a bit of electrolysis and then discharges his coils in the water. I said this befor: a rope without any tension doesnt have any standing waves. But as soon as you make the rope thight, and hit it, you will notice waves....
cheers
i like your point of view and i kind of understand how you get it! nice one!
i´m trying to apply this knowledge to the water.... maybe a bias...
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 05, 2016, 09:23:24 am
Here a response from another forum. This forum claimed to have a working vic cell so i asked for some help:
Steve only advice I can give you at this time is this...
Revisit all information about Stan's WFC and VIC because there is something you have missed here and there. Read Stan's birth of a new technology book again! take notes and don't read over things as you think you already know them.
Often we (miss the simple things) that make the biggest differences that define failure or suggests!
As I have said before. I cant help everyone as there is only one of me and our team comes first before all others. Neal is correct when he says...Ronnie has already given enough info to get you started on the right track!
Go back to Stan's book.
Ant
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Post by: Login to see usernames on May 05, 2016, 09:26:00 am
Who does he think i am? What does he think i did last years? I wrote him a pm to point to some specific pages in the birth of a new technology book. Of course no answers.
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Post by: Login to see usernames on May 05, 2016, 09:54:27 am
Maybe they didnt gave the value we expect for the hard work we did so is hard to accept for us such behavior but man we know how many milion times we read and re- read weekly this damn tech brief and patents included...
as they team says the thing is in the book... lets move on and bring this to work together...
so far from what i see ronnie talked a lot and i got even lot inspired but as he decided to keep it for him (if there is any true) he took a position of not sharing so we should not waste any time on him for now... i talked with Ant and i can tel is a nice guy... also the others.. Ronnie included..even i think in the very start i have received some help from some... i also tried to share all i had and did with them as i could trying to show how i could try to help anyhow...
if he had it happened why it didnt come out after 2 years?
i tell you...when we dont accept help from anyone nothing happens in our life because there is only one reason the comunities helped this development.. by let the fire alive inside of us.. so we all who post have a value and deserve respect and self respect and should get up and stand for it... the politics space must be occupied...
i would have loved if this technology came public with or without my or our help ... i just want to see it around to make sure it will happen at least!
for that i could not stand here and keep waiting for anything or anyone!
Good feelings for us brother!
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Post by: Login to see usernames on May 05, 2016, 12:18:19 pm
thanks bro. Back to the roots and the beginning i would say.
see attached pics I think that Kenisisfilm was pretty much in the money...
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Post by: Login to see usernames on May 05, 2016, 12:19:47 pm
put in around 40 watts make sure yr coils act quicker then the waterfuelcell reacts charge it up....
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 05, 2016, 17:04:58 pm
Nice one! i'm hoping to finish some jobs such i can test some...i believe when meyer say bigger coil he meant a big coil indeed like when we say a big magnet we say a big magnet...
my guess is that does not matter the size of the coil but the voltage at it will be important... a bigger coil is easier to have a higher voltage since will have more wire and turns.. so is easier..
i noticed from your image that he calls
the chokes ( resonant !charging! chokes)
the secondary he calls secondary pickup coil...
and there is the primary
if you consider like i was telling the chokes to being pulsed instead of the secondary.. it would make sense call it charging choke since is where the ac come from....
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 05, 2016, 23:14:58 pm
thats also a good one. secondairy pickup coil? What does that mean?
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Post by: Login to see usernames on May 05, 2016, 23:16:45 pm
and what means FL1 FL2 FL3 in Stans drawing?
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Post by: Login to see usernames on May 06, 2016, 07:56:16 am
in the techbrief there is that part where he says that the choke is connected to the oposite side of the primary coil... but that the vic is isolated from ground 48... he shows a pulse applied 49 applied to the primary...
i think meyer wanted to confuse people with his unipolar name,.. in the fig 3-23 i think he put a set of unipolar magnetic field pulses... 79n...
unipolar magnetic field mean that the flux only change up and down but not reverse direction...
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Post by: Login to see usernames on May 23, 2016, 00:51:18 am
test
Title: My new testlab...
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 28, 2016, 20:06:52 pm
Dear Fabio and Kevin and others,
Maybe you remember that i was in the middle of a deforce of my wife. Well, that part is done. We sold our house, as ni one of us would stay. So, now i moved in by my new girlfriend in Germany. Yes, i moved countrys....pfffffff Not easy, btw. A culture shock....hahahahahaha Not having my lab was a bad feeling. Today i build it almost up again. As you can see on the pictures, is my whole collection of materials and tools in boxes. The coming days i will put my meyer cell etc back on my new bench! I am also looking for parts for my version of the Anderson setup. Well, now you know why my progres was sooooo slow.
cheers
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Post by: Login to see usernames on June 28, 2016, 21:21:30 pm
more pics
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Post by: Login to see usernames on June 29, 2016, 01:14:40 am
Good luck with the new life Steve....3 times i divorced....allways a hard thing to go thru.
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Post by: Login to see usernames on June 30, 2016, 13:41:31 pm
Nice move my friend.. good moment of changes! wish you luck too with your new lab!
=)
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Post by: Login to see usernames on September 18, 2016, 18:21:31 pm
X-blade and others who want to join in:
I measured my cell in a dry state. I removed the destilled waterand dried the cell. My 4 cells measure between 0.043nF and 0.050nF.
So what is the capacitance for these cells with destilled or tap water? Dielectric constant of water at 20 degrees celcius is 80.1 If i multiply 0.043nF times 80.1 i get 3.4nF or 0.050 times 80.1 i get 4nF
Distilled water having a conductivity of 0.5 uS/cm (resistivity of 200 kOhms /mm) (Tap water having a conductivity of upto 800 uS/cm (resistivity of 125 Ohms /mm) Salt water having a conductivity of upto 56 mS/cm (resisitivity of 1.8 Ohms /mm))
If i would go for the famous 42.8khz as resonance frequency, my coils should be 3000uH in totall? Calculation:5nF + 200kOhm resistance + 42.8khz makes a totall inductance of 3000uH.
Please shoot if my calculations are not correct.....
cheers
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Post by: Login to see usernames on September 18, 2016, 18:57:16 pm
Hey bro is your cell the standard 4 inch rod with windows and the 2,75inch tube?
mine measures 1nf with zero ppm water and without is very low if i remember well around 10pf
are you sure your meter is ok:? ?: did you zeroed it?
the calculation is correct this form however don't know about those numbers sources...
cheeers
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 18, 2016, 20:39:57 pm
Hey bro is your cell the standard 4 inch rod with windows and the 2,75inch tube?
mine measures 1nf with zero ppm water and without is very low if i remember well around 10pf
are you sure your meter is ok:? ?: did you zeroed it?
the calculation is correct this form however don't know about those numbers sources...
cheeers
Dude, of course it is the standard Meyer type lengths. My meter stands on the 2nF measurement option, which is the smallest option it has. Then it measures 0.043 = 43pF Something wrong here? I still have some new / un used ones in a box. Can try to measure those if needed.
DOnt forget that the cell has been submerged for month with destilled water.. Maybe thats the reason? Or yr measurements are not ok? ;) ;) ;) ;)
Any body else?
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 18, 2016, 23:12:52 pm
I´m using that meter Ronie made us buy... my reading for that cell with very pure water is 1nf round... when water has some 20ppm it goes to 20nf measured..
calculation in my opinion is the only way to be sure our reading is true...so we should try to support our measurements by calculated values and compare
for the inner radius is (half the diameter) of the rod so i used 0.00635 for the inner for the outside radius (half the inner diameter of the tube) 0.0089 for length 0.06985
the results were close to what i have here...
around 900pf with water calculated compared to 1nf
and around 11 pf so like i told you around 10pf measured value..
so i think maybe you should check your meter bro...
i think 10% error is ok
or maybe you should try to take everything out and clean all the moisture before measuring... i don't know..
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 19, 2016, 00:12:15 am
Steve, meters will not behave good with water capacitor. Measuring the cell completly dry and multiply by the dielectric constant is your near option. You can run a parallel plate capacitor formula for coaxial ones:
- Get the circumference of the outer surface from inner tube (i.e. 0.5" x PI or radius^2 x PI) - Get the circumference of the inner surface from outer tube (i.e. 0.69" x PI or radius^2 x PI)
- sum both and multiply by the shortest height overlapping (i.e. outer tube - 2,75") You have now the area.
- calculate the gap (i.e. 0.69-0.5 /2 =0.095)
- get the dielectric constant (78.54) and calculate on: http://www.daycounter.com/Calculators/Plate-Capacitor-Calculator.phtml
Try it and confirm what I told you when you measured and multiplied by the water dielectric constant.
But this is not only the LC series that play all the role.
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 19, 2016, 05:04:15 am
a thought that just occurred to me is that maybe the capacitance reading get higher with higher conductivity water or higher ppm is because it may measure the capacitance as a impedance and as the conductive properties appear in parallel it will appear as a lower xc thereto showing higher capacitance...
i think we should stay with the capacitance calculated value... a formula can be build to calculate the deviation on the resonant frequency by the resistive load in parallel with the C but i would not wast my time either... meyer told the deviation in resonant frequency for given ppm.
i´m using the formula Turns= V/bmax/m2/Hz/4 as a rule for designing the chokes to take advantage of the core using square input... both chokes suppose to be the same and to resonate at 5khz with 1 cell it must form 1Henrie... each..
Brother in my last analysis i discovered a new thing..
i was looking at the vic sync image and realised its the same as what i came up with..
basically i splited the vic in 3 sections
first is simple primary and secondary with center tap
second is the chokes that will receive pulses of one polarity each being each connected to a diode at the extremities of the l2 and where it makes the magic i will talk later on the chokes are than connected together and connected to a center rod of the cell
the third is a coil that will receive mainly unipolar current from the outside tube of the cell and is connected to the center tap of the secondary
this form the vic so to clear and glue the idea the secondary is a full wave bridge with center tap but the diodes don't connect to each other they have the chokes connected there between.. this will also double the frequency
the third coil will create a magnetic field as pulses go on as it will receive only dc current pulses... i believe this is the amp inhibiter coil and it kind of make part of the resonance but should be wound on a high saturation material as core...
i kind of get the feeling that this magnetic field will change the game...
stan somewhere mention the 3 coil design...
i splited all to understand and i think this is what he represented on the drawings...
i used 2 diodes he may not have show the whole picture...
i recognise him all the right to have done this to protect the tech..
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Post by: Login to see usernames on September 19, 2016, 13:11:08 pm
Thanks guys. An easy answer is sadly not easy.
I did some measurements on a new set of Meyer electrode of the same serie i bought. Inner rod measures between the two end holes a 64mm lenght. The outside diam is 12.9mm
The outertube measures a inner diam of 17.37mm and has a lenght of 71.2mm It seems i have a 2mm gap between the 2 electrodes.
source: https://electronicspani.com/cylindrical-capacitor/ Relative Permittivity of the medium air = 1 and for water at 20 degrees celcius is 80 Length of cylinder = 0.0172m Radius inner cylinder = 0.0064m Radius outer cyinder inside wall = 0.008685m
Creates a capacity of 13pF with air as dielectric and a 1nF with water as dielectric All according to this calculator. My meter shows different measurements: with air, it is between 38pF and 35pF. This might be the case of the humidity and temperature of the air of my livingroom.........
Yr thoughts?
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Post by: Login to see usernames on September 19, 2016, 13:35:13 pm
outcome is: d = 0-1/2", 1.29 cm, 12.9 mm D = 0-11/16", 1.737 cm, 17.37 mm C = 25.12 pF/ft, 82.4 pF/Meter As my tubes are .0712 meters long, the capacitance should be: 82.4 / 100 * 0.0712 = 5.8pF
HEADACHE!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Login to see usernames on September 19, 2016, 13:44:10 pm
Here confirmation of the first calculator: https://www.vcalc.com/wiki/TylerJones/Capacitance+of+a+Cylindrical+Capacitor
13pF with air and 1nF with water
This equation can be derived from Gauss's Law and the relation q = CV 1.
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Post by: Login to see usernames on September 19, 2016, 13:54:21 pm
I´m using that meter Ronie made us buy... my reading for that cell with very pure water is 1nf round... when water has some 20ppm it goes to 20nf measured..
calculation in my opinion is the only way to be sure our reading is true...so we should try to support our measurements by calculated values and compare
for the inner radius is (half the diameter) of the rod so i used 0.00635 for the inner for the outside radius (half the inner diameter of the tube) 0.0089 for length 0.06985
the results were close to what i have here...
around 900pf with water calculated compared to 1nf
and around 11 pf so like i told you around 10pf measured value..
so i think maybe you should check your meter bro...
i think 10% error is ok
or maybe you should try to take everything out and clean all the moisture before measuring... i don't know..
Maybe my meter is not good..... Will run some tests. TENMA 72-8155
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Post by: Login to see usernames on September 19, 2016, 14:14:32 pm
Ill guess that the 1nF is workable number........ That gives me the need of 14milliHenry if i want to achieve resonance at 42khz
cheers
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 20, 2016, 08:06:42 am
Steve...my meter shows 18-20pf
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 20, 2016, 17:36:28 pm
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 20, 2016, 20:07:34 pm
I posted a post and removed it as i was a bit wrong there.
I did XL and XC calculations today with 1nF for the cell and 5.48H for the two chokes with core. I found out that at 2150hz XL=74,028 ohm and XC = 74,026 ohm I know this is all theory, but the thruth should not be far away from this. The chokes are 75.5ohms and 71 ohms in my case DC measured. If 2 chokes are on 1 core, and you have the famous Don Gable spec coils, then see if you can get higher voltage over Choke1 with cell then your input voltage of yr transformer.....
cheers
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Post by: Login to see usernames on September 20, 2016, 20:13:46 pm
One other thing:
The 2 chokes are 5.48H in my case.#The fun with Meyer is to balance the two out with the cell. 1 a little bit more Henrys then the other. That where the tinkering starts......
cheers
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 20, 2016, 20:35:50 pm
After re reading my emails and posts of unclefester aka Tad http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,402.msg7093.html#msg7093 i did a quick math of his cell, as his tubes are around twice the size of a standard resonance cell of meyer and he got 7 in parallel. I came to a total of around 15nF XC at 42khz = 253 ohms XL at 42khz for 253 ohms is an inductance of 960uH
And that is a small coil........ Tad said that adding some pico farads to the cell helped him finding resonance a bit easier.
If i check about what type of coils he was talking, then i think he was right and telling the truth.
cheers again.
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 20, 2016, 20:39:01 pm
The questions is now: Go for higher frequency with smaller coils or lower with bigger coils. At least bigger coils have a higher DC resistance and so automatically reduce amp flow...
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Post by: Login to see usernames on September 20, 2016, 20:39:39 pm
MAN.....ws i bussy or not today? Finally back on track to solve Meyer.
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Post by: Login to see usernames on September 22, 2016, 14:47:29 pm
Brother you are soooooooooo right!
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Post by: Login to see usernames on September 22, 2016, 22:07:20 pm
I am now trying to build a transformer for 2150hz. I am struggling with the fact when i raise voltage higher then 7V, the squarewave on the coil will dis form.... Now looking at RC snubbers over the prim coil... Btw, i use our cores and your plastic white spools!
cheers!
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 23, 2016, 07:46:12 am
Guys. I am done. Finally
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 23, 2016, 19:10:00 pm
What do you mean, Steve?
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Post by: Login to see usernames on September 24, 2016, 08:30:45 am
it means that i now understand how it works...
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 24, 2016, 11:34:53 am
Now i need a working model. The theory is about impedance matching and LC resonance. Resistance is key.
cheers
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 24, 2016, 11:36:58 am
LC is between upper choke and cell. Cell = 74.8 ohms L 1 = ?
just a hind... ;)
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 24, 2016, 14:13:01 pm
Steve, do you have double coated wire?
Where I can get it online in Europe?
Cheers.
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Post by: Login to see usernames on September 24, 2016, 22:19:47 pm
No, i dont have that, as far as i know. But i did see a nice youtube video of a guy winding HV coils with paperlayers and after that, he dropped the whole transformer in a jar and put vacuum on the jar to remove all air out of the windings. He made a flyback trafo....
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Post by: Login to see usernames on September 25, 2016, 01:48:51 am
I saw that video too Steve.
What I do is to use if laser printable transparency and cut into stripes, interleving the layers. It helps on capacitance too and prevents layer to layer arc.
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 26, 2016, 21:15:57 pm
that sounds also good :)
Title: impedance matching
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 08, 2016, 19:58:10 pm
Who knows about impedance matching? The how and why?
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 09, 2016, 13:19:57 pm
Hello Steve.
The transformer relationship of impedance ratio to turns ratio is:
Npri/Nsec = √Zpri/Zsec
First you need to know your impedance of the circuit on secondary, and I THINK that you need to calculate it in the lowest value that it can achieve. obvious that frequency will change the overall impedance.
Get the resistive value of the coils, and use the 78.54 or 80 as the cell resistance, sum all and you have the circuit resistance. Some people said that at resonance the circuit is pure resistive(Russ and Ronnie Walker).
Since you get the impedance of the secondary network, wind your transformer according to it.
BE AWARE: Transformers are not simply turn ratio! Forget about Meyer primary resistance, it doesnt mean anything, only if you have the same core and the same wire, otherwise forget it.
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Post by: Login to see usernames on October 09, 2016, 13:29:51 pm
P.S. if you dont know the B max value use 1500, it is safer for the most ferrite cores. I will try to find another site that has a simple and clean explanation but at thr time I cannot find it again.
Title: Re: impedance matching
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 10, 2016, 09:02:59 am
Who knows about impedance matching? The how and why?
impedance matching mean to have a q factor of 1 in a resonant system... this mean that the energy you put in is is totaly lost every cycle.. it means no reflection possible...
in 1/4 wave trasformer the impedance of the load is inverted meaning that a short looks like a open circuit for the input circuit.. and a capacitor load is more than a short circuit.. ir reflects the wave with same polarity..
when we send a single wave thru a line it has a positive and negative going, only a diode can impeed the cell from receiving a negative wave after the positive for ex..
at resonance the circuit is a view as a resistance as power is being dissipated on the coils and capacitors and z is reduced to this losses if the Q is high energy will be acumulated VAR reactive energy instead but this will happen only at a precise frequency..
A low Q factor imply a possibility to allow the sistem to provide full power to the load at whatever frequency
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 11, 2016, 14:51:57 pm
There's more than one type of impedance matching component. The audio output transformer in an amplifier uses the resistance of the primary and secondary windings to couple the impedance of the amp to that of the speaker's voice coil. With a TV, the 75 ohms from the coax is converted to 300 ohms, to feed the tuner. I opened one of those little boxes up and all it has is a tiny torroid with one and a half turns of very small wire, as well as a very little capacitor. This looks a lot like the resonant choke shown in Meyer's diagrams. Is it possible that this is actually an impedance matching circuit, which also needs to be included along with the actual bifilar chokes?
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Post by: Login to see usernames on October 12, 2016, 03:00:20 am
This part is really the only thing Steve Meyers shared in his patent....other than examples of real waveforms.
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Post by: Login to see usernames on October 12, 2016, 14:57:24 pm
There's more than one type of impedance matching component. The audio output transformer in an amplifier uses the resistance of the primary and secondary windings to couple the impedance of the amp to that of the speaker's voice coil. With a TV, the 75 ohms from the coax is converted to 300 ohms, to feed the tuner. I opened one of those little boxes up and all it has is a tiny torroid with one and a half turns of very small wire, as well as a very little capacitor. This looks a lot like the resonant choke shown in Meyer's diagrams. Is it possible that this is actually an impedance matching circuit, which also needs to be included along with the actual bifilar chokes?
The VIC is a simple powersupply hooked up to a LCR circuit. The question is how to get the power tranferred from supply to load. Under resonance, the DC resistance is left over from the LCR components.
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Post by: Login to see usernames on October 12, 2016, 15:02:57 pm
Is it not funny that you talk about 75 ohm for antenna impedance? The secondairy is around 70 ohms; the two chokes also a bit around the 70 ohms and then the waterbath also a 78 ohms.... Now which parts are part of the powesupply and which parts are part of the LCR load? Hint: just puzzle a bit... Look for an honest balance. Impedance balance of components who have DC resistances that should be in balance for ideal matching...
cheers
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Post by: Login to see usernames on October 13, 2016, 02:28:11 am
you can check out aerial info on the web
free space impedance is 377 ohms , 120 x pi . 78.54 ohms is 25 x pi
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 15, 2016, 06:58:09 am
There's more than one type of impedance matching component. The audio output transformer in an amplifier uses the resistance of the primary and secondary windings to couple the impedance of the amp to that of the speaker's voice coil. With a TV, the 75 ohms from the coax is converted to 300 ohms, to feed the tuner. I opened one of those little boxes up and all it has is a tiny torroid with one and a half turns of very small wire, as well as a very little capacitor. This looks a lot like the resonant choke shown in Meyer's diagrams. Is it possible that this is actually an impedance matching circuit, which also needs to be included along with the actual bifilar chokes?
This makes much sense in terms of history of the process.... Puharich stated in his circuit patent an additional 2mH coil may be required.
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 15, 2016, 10:00:00 am
The transformer relationship of impedance ratio to turns ratio is:
Npri/Nsec = √Zpri/Zsec
First you need to know your impedance of the circuit on secondary, and I THINK that you need to calculate it in the lowest value that it can achieve. obvious that frequency will change the overall impedance.
Get the resistive value of the coils, and use the 78.54 or 80 as the cell resistance, sum all and you have the circuit resistance. Some people said that at resonance the circuit is pure resistive(Russ and Ronnie Walker).
Since you get the impedance of the secondary network, wind your transformer according to it.
BE AWARE: Transformers are not simply turn ratio! Forget about Meyer primary resistance, it doesnt mean anything, only if you have the same core and the same wire, otherwise forget it.
X blade, thank you. I re read yr post and i think this is a good advise!
cheers
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 20, 2016, 09:52:51 am
a view on Meyers driver circuit for the primary coil. Ask yourself why he made it like this....
cheers
Hi Steve my lack of knowledge of electronics needs a little input. I have a hard time to see how the flow works. Can you explain this to me. Is this the primary coil? Should it be on the other line from the 3005? Not from the Tip120.
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 25, 2016, 01:26:33 am
Just a thought or information with the impedance . ...Puharch adjusted his electrodes to have a specific voltage to current ratio,somewhere I've seen impedance is the voltage to current ratio.It goes into measuring the conductivity of the water. Are you having success with the matching yet?
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 28, 2016, 04:12:28 am
Steve and others, I am giving out a lot of information on how Stan's fuel cell works over at RWG forum You guy's may want to go check it out.
http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=2785.0
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 28, 2016, 16:19:20 pm
Just thought it may help people in some way. It's there if people want to check it out. Thanks
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Post by: Login to see usernames on October 28, 2016, 23:00:09 pm
Steve and others, I am giving out a lot of information on how Stan's fuel cell works over at RWG forum You guy's may want to go check it out.
http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=2785.0
Thank you Ronny! I appreciate your information very much. I have also troubles to get registrated on rwg forum. Not sure why. Can you maybe publish some of yr content here? Sofar, i can only read without pictures etc at rwg....
Good work my friend! Steve
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 31, 2016, 03:09:29 am
Steve and others, I am giving out a lot of information on how Stan's fuel cell works over at RWG forum You guy's may want to go check it out.
http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=2785.0
Thank you Ronny! I appreciate your information very much.
I have also troubles to get registrated on rwg forum. Not sure why. Can you maybe publish some of yr content here? Sofar, i can only read without pictures etc at rwg....
Good work my friend! Steve
Heres the picture Ron colored Steve. I added the remarks 3A -3F to it tryn to satisfy a curiosity ,not finished yet trying to show a relationship to conductivity.The second pic is a version of the original Ron colored,I haven't found the same one yet.The 3rd pic is part of where I referenced 3A-3F.
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 31, 2016, 11:06:29 am
A lot of people are having trouble with impedance matching. I worked out Stan's Vic for example for everyone.
Using Stan's Vic and the numbers Don gave us as and example, I will attempt to show how to impedance match it all. Question is what is the purpose of Impedance matching? The answer is Watts in must equal Watts out.
Let's start with the Primary, I have already show it has 10 ohms of impedance in it and how it is calculated.
Next we use a transformer (Amplifier) to match the Load side. we need to know the total resistance of the load side. Secondary side= 72.4+76.7+70.1+Re78.54+11.5=310 ohms
Now that we have a total resistance of the line side of 10ohms and a total resistance of the load side of 310ohms
Next we take the 310ohms and 10ohms and use this formula to get the turn ratio. Ns/Np=sqrt Zs/Zp sqrt (310/10)=5.567 So we need a turn ratio of 5.567 to 1
We know our line voltage is 12volts We can times this by the turn ration of 5.567 which is =66.8 Load Voltage Now we have our load voltage. Next we calculate the load watts using formula (66.8 ^2)/310ohms= 14.39 watts
That's how you do it
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 04, 2016, 09:28:46 am
A lot of people are having trouble with impedance matching. I worked out Stan's Vic for example for everyone.
Using Stan's Vic and the numbers Don gave us as and example, I will attempt to show how to impedance match it all. Question is what is the purpose of Impedance matching? The answer is Watts in must equal Watts out.
Let's start with the Primary, I have already show it has 10 ohms of impedance in it and how it is calculated.
Next we use a transformer (Amplifier) to match the Load side. we need to know the total resistance of the load side. Secondary side= 72.4+76.7+70.1+Re78.54+11.5=310 ohms
Now that we have a total resistance of the line side of 10ohms and a total resistance of the load side of 310ohms
Next we take the 310ohms and 10ohms and use this formula to get the turn ratio. Ns/Np=sqrt Zs/Zp sqrt (310/10)=5.567 So we need a turn ratio of 5.567 to 1
We know our line voltage is 12volts We can times this by the turn ration of 5.567 which is =66.8 Load Voltage Now we have our load voltage. Next we calculate the load watts using formula (66.8 ^2)/310ohms= 14.39 watts
That's how you do it
Dear Ronny,
Thank you for your post and Explanation. This calculation will be handy for the persons who didnt know how to do this.
To add, i think, we should mention as well that XC and XL must match to come to these numbers of resistance. XC and XL only match at a certain frequency. (resonance). In resonance, the fysical resistance of the coils and cell are left over.
You also wrote on the other forum on how you start the gas production, when you have the setup complete. I found it very interesting. Starting the cell is like plain dc electrolysis, till water is removed and is replaced by gas. In that state resonance seems to possible. Not in the first electrolysis state. Can you please explain this a bit more?
Cheers! Steve
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Post by: Login to see usernames on May 30, 2023, 16:45:52 pm
Steve, As the Stans VIC can only put out 1.2Amps... That should be more than enough to start making bubble if the vic is balances and the WFC is not electrically leaking. So your starting out...OUT of resonance. or as Stan would say 180 deg out of phase, or dirty old electrolysis.
As your slowly making the journey getting closer to resonance for the first time, IE the cell has never been charged before above 5KV! You will step charge your cell slowly as you keep adjusting for resonance. In turn and at the same time you do this,...your amps will go down in the mW's making more and more gas bubbles.
Think of it like push your child on a swing in the park using 1 finger!?! How would you do it from a dead stop position to the point your child is scared of going to much higher?
Hope this helps.
Ant
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Post by: Login to see usernames on May 30, 2023, 19:27:15 pm
Hi Ant,
have you been succesfull with it?
btw, nice to hear from you. :)
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Post by: Login to see usernames on May 30, 2023, 21:39:37 pm
Can anyone post a scope shot of a voltage/current waveforms, increasing the pulse voltage and decreasing pulse amps? So far, I never saw that happend, if you increase the voltage at the cell, the current will increase too. I'm not talking about RMS measurement, I'm talking about current peak measurement, and it should be measure with a non inductive resistor or shunt.
Or a scope shot with the voltage kept constant while the current increases or decreases? The cell is a resistor, you cannot apply more voltage and have less current on it, you'll always have the relationship V=R.I, more voltage = more current, always.
Thanks.
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Post by: Login to see usernames on May 31, 2023, 01:18:34 am
Can anyone post a scope shot of a voltage/current waveforms, increasing the pulse voltage and decreasing pulse amps? So far, I never saw that happend, if you increase the voltage at the cell, the current will increase too. I'm not talking about RMS measurement, I'm talking about current peak measurement, and it should be measure with a non inductive resistor or shunt.
Or a scope shot with the voltage kept constant while the current increases or decreases? The cell is a resistor, you cannot apply more voltage and have less current on it, you'll always have the relationship V=R.I, more voltage = more current, always.
Thanks.
I’m working on that…
The idea I’m buying is that water must act as a kind of generator at a certain condition only…
My experience tells me that is a magnetic field plus a geometric configuration that is required to make water kind of resonate or work like a pump inside a cavity so you pulse at right frequency it must create a back emf that will show as a current reduction for same voltage apply as you pointed that it must be…
I was not considering microwaves but now it seems to me that it would be a interesting way to get voltage induced in water the problem is to rectify it and feed it back!!!
Me too never saw the effect of just water being pulsed and have any current reduction
The only way I see it was in the experiment I apply 240v with a rectifier straight to tap water and when it boils it’s current reduces some while the boil keep vigorous
The water quickly boil is very interesting but I never quantitized it very well
I remember doing it in Italy back in 2007 with 20cmx10cmx4mm electrodes spaced like 6cm apart in a 4 liter acrylic tube vessel
It consumed like 600w with Milan tap water
I didn’t even ever saw a nice 2kv wave over tap water… only very pure water was possible with those toys transformers
That’s why I designed a bigger power supply and coils to get more power maybe reach the threshold
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 31, 2023, 16:55:36 pm
When I boiled water with AC, it was exactly the opposite, as the water got hot, the resistance decreased and more current flowed, until the point that this snowball effect blew my transistor.
I can put 1-2kV DC pulse train in tap water without any problems, but the current peaks are insane, about 10-20 amps, pure electrolysis. If you increase the voltage more, more current will flow. The water gets super hot after a while and makes a lot of cloudy gas.
The more conductive the water is, more current you need to reach high voltage peaks, thats why in distilled water is easy to do. You need a driver and supply that can feed many amps.
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Post by: Login to see usernames on May 31, 2023, 18:22:39 pm
I was never able to make that
The springs in the connectors melted the Delfim plastic in my case because of the heat generated
Also my power supplies was poor man’s powersupply the most powerful I use to have was a old 12v bater that could give around 400 watts and with 500 w variac
So I believe that except for this tests I described I never ran more than 200w straight to water anyway…
To change that I build a very powerfull power supply and switching now I only miss constructing the coils and capacitors to test
There is so many tests I want to do that I’m confuse about what to do first…
I’m going to try the ac boiling too… I didn’t imagined it could do the opposite effect….
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 01, 2023, 11:35:33 am
Well, power going into the cell is very relative. I ran mine with 300W (300V/1A), but I can send it in bursts of 10kW (1000V/10A) to the water. Its just a matter of how you'll deliver it to the load.
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 01, 2023, 22:23:36 pm
I hope I can reach like 2kv 1a with pure water delivering 2kw
The power supply and switching can goes up to 6kw but I bet everything will fry before that..
I plan to have at least two coils being pulsed 180 degrees apart so they can intercala-te charging and discharging to the cell
Title: Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 06, 2023, 17:25:13 pm
Well, you'll have a pretty nice gas cloud, the water will get hot quickly and it will be pure electrolysis.
And the most important, you need a 2kohm cell, which needs to be very small in order to reach this impedance.