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Hydrocars Gas Production

**hydro**:

a AutoZone Amp meter was used to measure the amps, a small yellow volt meter from Radioshack was used to measure the volts.

Amps to the cell was in the 35 amp range, the volts across was 25 volts, 875 watts.

1 2 liter Bottle was filled with water, a 591 CC Bottle was filled with water upside down inside the 2 liter bottle.

The 591cc bottle was marked, took to the kitchen and filled the bottle to that mark, i then poured the water from the 591 cc bottle into a measuring cup, it measured to be just a little more than 500 ML or cc's.

so 500 ML in 1 min, the rotor was at 2 amps 9 volts, 18 watts. Production per second is 8.4 cc's a sec OR .70 cc's per tube per second.

This is my new production with 12 tubes with the Old alternator setup without a cap, and without self sustain. just pulse the rotor and hook cell to the alternator.

**waterfalcon**:

Thats 7.2 % effecient.

This from the how stan powered his altnerator page: [page 8]

In a collected volume of HHO gas the amount of hydrogen energy will be 7744 Joules pr liter collected gas.

Electrical energy is as known purely E (Joules) = Voltage * Amperage * electrolysis duration time

So efficiency where H2 and O2 gas is collected together is;

EFFICIENCY = 7744* V1 / (U*I*t) where

V1= Collected H2/O2 volume measured in liters

U = Electrical input voltage

I = Amperage during electrolysis

t = Time of electrolysis measured in seconds

multiply above by 100 to get % efficiency in terms of input joules output joules

substituting: 7744* 0.5 litres / (25 volts*35amps*60secs) = .0737

or 7.37% percent efficient in terms of energy conversion.

This will be the exact same output of regular straight DC electrolysis without electrolyte.

I am sure the True efficiency will be even lower if you calculate the input not as 875 watts output by the alternator but the watts consumed by the drive motor.

Stan got 180% overunity using the same formula for the figures he provided in page 60 of his international testing data document. 7000cc or 7 liters per minute 500 watts.

Long ways to go hydro to achieve any effieciency remotely close to stans efficecncy.

do you have any thoughts on this:

The guy in this video has on clue about hho but this video is on the overunity forum and the waterfuel forum.

**hydro**:

yes waterfalcon, there is much we still dont understand... maybe together we can make it happen;)

**passion1**:

Hydrocars

Great progress!

I have been doing a lot of experimentation with series cells lately (using a little bit of NaOH added to my water)

The one thing I realized is that for "normal" electrolysis, the maximum amount of gas is being produced if

each individual cell only receives +- 2 VDC.

I am not going into the details here now, but as an example, for the same amount of amps consumed, you will always find that 2 cells with 2V across each will produce more gas than one cell with 4V across. (For "normal" electrolysis we only need 2V for the electrolysis action to take place and the remaining volts are simply generating waste heat)

In your setup, I suspect you have 12 cells connected in parallel, so you have 25 Volts across each cell.

Why don't you try to connect your tubes so that you have 6 parallel sets with 2 cells in series for each set.

Thus you will end up with +-12V across each cell which should give you higher gas production relative to the total amount of power consumed.

Even though 2V per cell is the ideal (if chemicals is used), I would not go lower than 12V per cell in your case, because you are not using any chemicals and going lower than 12V per cell might result in very little current flow.

When you have some time you can maybe test what your gas production with a 2 x 6 parallel stup would be?

We might just be surprised...

Wouter

**hydro**:

i've tested every possible combination with tubes, the best gas performance is parallel... if you put tubes in series it creates problems. its not like plated, the tubes are in a circle. if series turns out to be better without additives then i'm all for it.

i am working hard to work less, my only hope is to produce atleast 1 liter of gas without additives a min! If any of you know of a cell that does not use additives and can produces 1 liter please point me to it.

Thanks for your input!

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