### Author Topic: My Horvath replication project by Steve  (Read 7053 times)

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« Reply #32 on: May 25, 2018, 06:46:56 am »
Very well Steve!... i get the feeling that you will get great results!  i advice you to use cooking paper to separate the layers of the coil as it will absorb the oil it will help increase the layer isolation or maybe you can use thin mylar ... remember that until you take all the air out with a vacuum pump between the coils theres going to be points where ionization can occur and lead to coil destruction ... if you proper take all the air out it will be much higher resistant to high voltage,.

the anode will work as a load to the coil though

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« Reply #33 on: May 31, 2018, 05:02:59 am »
The Horvath 22 Pulse amps (not average /rms amps) comes from first deciding on the usable low frequency iron laminations  core TR2, and then adding insulated magnet wire to form primary with proper inductance. You have to use the electronics formula for L inductor  henries = C  / (I squared / E squared).L equals 1 / .005377 equals 186 times 10 to the minus sixth henries , or 186 microhenries. inductance , as measured on hand held RLC meter.  22 pulse amps  equals 300 times square root of C farads divided by L henries. At 10khz pulses per second, gives about 450Watts power. L+ C resonance has period P. 1/2 is pulse width 42 microseconds for capacitor discharge. I found 36 minor corrections to the Patent writing as I proof read it, and added modifications. TR2 primary wire is wire gauge so as RMS amps = Peak Pulse Amps times .707.
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« Reply #34 on: May 31, 2018, 07:01:49 am »
. I found 36 minor corrections to the Patent writing as I proof read it

you shouldnt have to do this .......but its unavoidable , with all patents!

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« Reply #35 on: June 02, 2018, 10:02:39 am »
The Horvath 22 Pulse amps (not average /rms amps) comes from first deciding on the usable low frequency iron laminations  core TR2, and then adding insulated magnet wire to form primary with proper inductance. You have to use the electronics formula for L inductor  henries = C  / (I squared / E squared).L equals 1 / .005377 equals 186 times 10 to the minus sixth henries , or 186 microhenries. inductance , as measured on hand held RLC meter.  22 pulse amps  equals 300 times square root of C farads divided by L henries. At 10khz pulses per second, gives about 450Watts power. L+ C resonance has period P. 1/2 is pulse width 42 microseconds for capacitor discharge. I found 36 minor corrections to the Patent writing as I proof read it, and added modifications. TR2 primary wire is wire gauge so as RMS amps = Peak Pulse Amps times .707.

Hi Russ!

Welcome here at ionizationx, the last standing forum with member still trying to make something out of the water for fuell topic

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« Reply #36 on: June 02, 2018, 10:04:14 am »
The Horvath 22 Pulse amps (not average /rms amps) comes from first deciding on the usable low frequency iron laminations  core TR2, and then adding insulated magnet wire to form primary with proper inductance. You have to use the electronics formula for L inductor  henries = C  / (I squared / E squared).L equals 1 / .005377 equals 186 times 10 to the minus sixth henries , or 186 microhenries. inductance , as measured on hand held RLC meter.  22 pulse amps  equals 300 times square root of C farads divided by L henries. At 10khz pulses per second, gives about 450Watts power. L+ C resonance has period P. 1/2 is pulse width 42 microseconds for capacitor discharge. I found 36 minor corrections to the Patent writing as I proof read it, and added modifications. TR2 primary wire is wire gauge so as RMS amps = Peak Pulse Amps times .707.

Have you posted the re written schematics somewhere?
It would save me a lot of time to find the same mistakes !

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« Reply #37 on: June 03, 2018, 07:17:45 am »
My proof reading of Horvath patent 3,980,053. It's mostly correct as per years ago. An IC driven Inverter could now days be substituted using MOSFET transistors with flyback transformer. . A purchased forward type power supply could also be used instead of Flyback type , if isolation is done with extra parts added when SCR fires.. See pages 33-36 Build your own laser, phaser, ion ray gun and other working space age projects. isbn 0-8306-0604-1 as paperback.
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« Reply #38 on: June 03, 2018, 08:25:34 am »
My proof reading of Horvath patent 3,980,053. It's mostly correct as per years ago. An IC driven Inverter could now days be substituted using MOSFET transistors with flyback transformer. . A purchased forward type power supply could also be used instead of Flyback type , if isolation is done with extra parts added when SCR fires.. See pages 33-36 Build your own laser, phaser, ion ray gun and other working space age projects. isbn 0-8306-0604-1 as paperback.
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Thanks for sharing, Russ.
I will put these in parallel to my notes soon and see what findings i will have.
Have you already builded the tr2 transformer?

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« Reply #39 on: June 03, 2018, 17:41:12 pm »
More  proof reading corrections to my sheet, as an update.; Patent 3,98,053

col 8, line 4     1 MFD capacitor at 600-1000V rating.

col 8, line 10   20-25 Amp RMS/average rating for purchased High frequency type SCR as passing about 15amps from the Peak 22A pulse of Capacitor and rated 600 volt, due to fluctuations of power supply output volts of 300v.

col 8, line 17   OLD style TV type ferrite UU core set can be used and wires wound on bobbin that fits over both core legs. U cores and EE cores are much easier to work with . Windings have to be over each other, not on opposite halves cores. Ferroxcube 3C8 material had high inductance for windings .The larger the core, the less turns to wind for given inductance required. The less turns on primary allows for less winding turns on secondary side, because of better ratio. Various cores can be tested with same turns number and inductance meter for quality.